Chuck_Owl Posted October 4, 2014 Posted October 4, 2014 (edited) Well losing the only good NA-based server is kind of a big deal, in case some of you hadn't noticed. Apparently having an opinion is not encouraged anymore around here. Edited October 4, 2014 by 71st_AH_Chuck 3
JimTM Posted October 4, 2014 Posted October 4, 2014 The Eagle's Nest server is no more as of 7:24am Pacific. It was fun while it lasted. AbortedMan, It's a shame that Eagle's Nest is shutting down. Thanks to you and Hooves for all your hard work on the server. I enjoyed flying on it. Salut!
oneeyeddog Posted October 4, 2014 Posted October 4, 2014 Crap! I cant even install the game, the new installer gives me a error :-( http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/11193-setup-files-are-corrupted/ Wandalen, this is exactly what happened to me when i uninstalled my old BoS file and did not reboot my computer before I reinstalled the new. I suggest you uninstall everything again, reboot your computer, and reinstall. This is what i did and now the game works as it should for me.
dburne Posted October 4, 2014 Posted October 4, 2014 Well losing the only good NA-based server is kind of a big deal, in case some of you hadn't noticed. Apparently having an opinion is not encouraged anymore around here. Agreed, this is not good at all...
oneeyeddog Posted October 4, 2014 Posted October 4, 2014 Well losing the only good NA-based server is kind of a big deal, in case some of you hadn't noticed. Apparently having an opinion is not encouraged anymore around here. AbortedMan, It's a shame that Eagle's Nest is shutting down. Thanks to you and Hooves for all your hard work on the server. I enjoyed flying on it. Salut! I agree Chuck, It is a big deal to lose the Eagles Nest server. And I'd also like to say Thanks to AbortedMan , Hooves and the Sea Eagles for all the time and effort put into this Server.
kaboki Posted October 4, 2014 Posted October 4, 2014 Well losing the only good NA-based server is kind of a big deal, in case some of you hadn't noticed. Apparently having an opinion is not encouraged anymore around here. Well, yes it's a big deal, and Im not arguing against that. But what can we do? Go and shoot SE AbortedMan and others for not wanting to continue using their spare time and resources running it? Who can we blame? Really Offcourse everyone can have an opinion, including me...
Afwastus Posted October 4, 2014 Posted October 4, 2014 Well losing the only good NA-based server is kind of a big deal, in case some of you hadn't noticed. Apparently having an opinion is not encouraged anymore around here. Frankly speaking, it's insulting.
Trooper117 Posted October 4, 2014 Posted October 4, 2014 Nice I wonder how many missions to unlock the rear gunner in the IL2... In my hour of flying, (stated above) I'd unlocked the rear gun on the IL2, didn't even know I'd done it as I have only been flying fighters!
M4rgaux Posted October 4, 2014 Posted October 4, 2014 In my hour of flying, (stated above) I'd unlocked the rear gun on the IL2, didn't even know I'd done it as I have only been flying fighters! This is one of these things already unlocked for founders, like 20mm cannon on the F4.
kaboki Posted October 4, 2014 Posted October 4, 2014 Frankly speaking, it's insulting. `Lol, What is insulting?
Afwastus Posted October 4, 2014 Posted October 4, 2014 Killing a server because someone expresses an opinion.
kaboki Posted October 4, 2014 Posted October 4, 2014 (edited) Killing a server because someone expresses an opinion. Lol, who said they killed a server because of an opinion? What are you talking about? Did I miss something:p, enlighten me:D Always so much drama in these sim communeties, well maybe I fit in just fine, being so dramatic as someone called me Edited October 4, 2014 by kaboki
6S.Insuber Posted October 4, 2014 Posted October 4, 2014 (edited) Hey now it's enough. The ESC bug which was just annoying before, now makes progressing impossible. ESC just stops working randomly and this prevents me to complete a mission. Come on devs, this bug has been anging around in the forum for months now. PLEASE SOLVE THE ESC BUG, GAME IS UNPLAYABLE!!!!! Edited October 4, 2014 by 6S_Insuber
TheBlackPenguin Posted October 4, 2014 Posted October 4, 2014 (edited) So with the Eagle's Nest server killed, what are the plans to provide an alternative for those of us in the US who frequented that server with another historical mission based server? I have to say, I'm disappointed now. Killing off NA MP isn't going to make friends. It seems to be more of a protest move, most of the arguments and discontent seem to be around unlocks and multiplayer. I don't MP much, but I don't see why unlocks could not be handled by the server admins. Edited October 4, 2014 by TheBlackPenguin
Afwastus Posted October 4, 2014 Posted October 4, 2014 Lol, who said they killed a server because of an opinion? What are you talking about? Did I miss something:p, enlighten me:D Always so much drama in these sim communeties, well maybe I fit in just fine, being so dramatic as someone called me Due to my expressed opinion, I am no longer a part of the Eagle's Nest server management or mission creation. Hopefully we can setup a new server under different management soon. Thanks for all of your support and help with creating the mission! I hope to have it up again, along with others, somewhere else when the time comes.
FlatSpinMan Posted October 4, 2014 Posted October 4, 2014 I played what atleast felt like an hour, it may have been 15 minutes though, but it FELT like an hour. there is no way in hell Im gonna finish the campains(I rather go shoot myself first). Dramatic??? You don't say?
Chuck_Owl Posted October 4, 2014 Posted October 4, 2014 There is not much point in boycotting when you already paid for the game.
GOZR Posted October 4, 2014 Posted October 4, 2014 Money talk.. less people less $.. change need to be made if they want to sale. SP will it bring more people ? or less? that about it . I did have explain my thought in RoF and got banned. but here the truth .. $ or not. If really the SP kills IL2 things will change.. if not it will be not changed.. simple.
FlatSpinMan Posted October 4, 2014 Posted October 4, 2014 Apparently having an opinion is not encouraged anymore around here. What exactly does this mean, Chuck? Do you see all the dissenting post being deleted? Look at the forums. There are plenty who are voicing negative opinions. They might be rebutted, but they're there. We allow that. What we won't have a bar of is profanity, coarseness, and people with agendas trying to stir things up. In those cases we will remove them as a matter of course. You can disagree, but you must do it civilly. That's a fairly minimal standard of discourse for adults, wouldn't you agree? Your post does not fit these categories, but I'm commenting on it as I think the implied allegation is frankly ridiculous. 2
kaboki Posted October 4, 2014 Posted October 4, 2014 There is not much point in boycotting when you already paid for the game. Yes there is, I still haven't bought the full package:D(wich I had planned to get). And will not buy any future addon planes, only maps(to get acces to server that will probably use those maps whenever they get realesed, but it also depends on how DCS WW2 turns out). I will stick with what I have so far that is included in the base package I bought. I useally support sims I like, e.g with ROF I bought all the addons there was even if I only flew a couple of them just to keep up supporting a good sim. So yeah, may not be bankrupting 777 but atleast they don't get my money:p 1
GOZR Posted October 4, 2014 Posted October 4, 2014 (edited) Boycotting? well good for them to have the money at list to pay for the Dev team's hard work.. but if the quantity players simmers plunge to a very low numbers .. MP will be boring and it is a little the case already.. many IL2 1946 pilots are waiting to see the result ( a lot ) and get the BoS but if they see this nonsens of SP to unlock weapon / skins I doubt they will come. MP and challenge between teams, pilots etc is what drive IL2 not SP. So important to not mess with what drive a Sim. having a choice is always always great but forcing something is not. Edited October 4, 2014 by GOZR 1
kaboki Posted October 4, 2014 Posted October 4, 2014 What exactly does this mean, Chuck? Do you see all the dissenting post being deleted? Look at the forums. There are plenty who are voicing negative opinions. They might be rebutted, but they're there. We allow that. What we won't have a bar of is profanity, coarseness, and people with agendas trying to stir things up. In those cases we will remove them as a matter of course. You can disagree, but you must do it civilly. That's a fairly minimal standard of discourse for adults, wouldn't you agree? Your post does not fit these categories, but I'm commenting on it as I think the implied allegation is frankly ridiculous. Yes, Im actually quite impressed what you put up with:D. Other FS forums would have banned me in a heartbeat after todays discussions. So in this case you got my respect:D. Well done putting up with a whining son of .... like me haha.
G-pa Posted October 4, 2014 Posted October 4, 2014 been here since the start, how is it steam users get better download access than the original few? wtf!
FlatSpinMan Posted October 4, 2014 Posted October 4, 2014 Ahh now I see, well then we have someone to blame, sorry afwastus for not knowing what have went on behind the scene. Been away from the forum and BoS for awhile being busy with DCS. Hold the phone. Did you read Bliss' post, especially the part about it being "pure conjecture"? Let me highlight the relevant parts. if I was to guess, AM was asked to stop with the criticism or he'd lose access to the server files. Seems like he chose the latter. Pure conjecture, but probably what really happened. That's very hedged around speculation from a source that has long been critical of this game and its makers. Now, it may turn out to be dead on the money for all I know, but read it carefully. As for why the US server shut down, as far as I'm aware, it is for their own internal reasons. Whatever, it was their decision to run it, and their decision to pull it. Hope they change their minds or come to some kind of compromise as it seemed to be a good thing, but it is up to them. The SE guys seemed a good presence on the boards so it'd be a shame if they leave altogether. Up to them though.
kaboki Posted October 4, 2014 Posted October 4, 2014 (edited) Dramatic??? You don't say? My whole point with this nagging about the unlocks is. Why force players to play something they don't want to play just for them to be able to enjoy playing what they like to play? Don't you see, most MP guys fast forward the campain on 16x just to get the unlocks so they can enjoy what they really want, MP. It just EDITED people off and they gonna get those unlocks anyway, but they are not enjoying the process getting them, wich makes it all pointless(we play to have fun don't we), why not just have it all open in MP from the start and let those grinding loving SP people do their thing? Hold the phone. Did you read Bliss' post, especially the part about it being "pure conjecture"? Let me highlight the relevant parts. if I was to guess, AM was asked to stop with the criticism or he'd lose access to the server files. Seems like he chose the latter. Pure conjecture, but probably what really happened. That's very hedged around speculation from a source that has long been critical of this game and its makers. Now, it may turn out to be dead on the money for all I know, but read it carefully. As for why the US server shut down, as far as I'm aware, it is for their own internal reasons. Whatever, it was their decision to run it, and their decision to pull it. Hope they change their minds or come to some kind of compromise as it seemed to be a good thing, but it is up to them. The SE guys seemed a good presence on the boards so it'd be a shame if they leave altogether. Up to them though. Wow, did I step into minefield, useally the messenger gets shoot and not the receiver:p. Im sorry If I took what he said as the thruth and offcourse I see now that it may be pure speculation...sorry for the inconvinience.. Edited October 4, 2014 by FlatSpinMan 2
Anw.StG2_Tyke Posted October 4, 2014 Posted October 4, 2014 My whole point with this nagging about the unlocks is. Why force players to play something they don't want to play just for them to be able to enjoy playing what they like to play? Don't you see, most MP guys fast forward the campain on 16x just to get the unlocks so they can enjoy what they really want, MP. It just pisses people off and they gonna get those unlocks anyway, but they are not enjoying the process getting them, wich makes it all pointless(we play to have fun don't we), why not just have it all open in MP from the start and let those grinding loving SP people do their thing? Couldn't have said it any better, I made the tutorial and it was so boring and if that is how the campaign is designed, yeah I gonna abuse the x16 exploit because EDITED I want to have fun in a good campaign, not in a senseless QMB Szenario.
Chuck_Owl Posted October 4, 2014 Posted October 4, 2014 What exactly does this mean, Chuck? Do you see all the dissenting post being deleted? Look at the forums. There are plenty who are voicing negative opinions. They might be rebutted, but they're there. We allow that. What we won't have a bar of is profanity, coarseness, and people with agendas trying to stir things up. In those cases we will remove them as a matter of course. You can disagree, but you must do it civilly. That's a fairly minimal standard of discourse for adults, wouldn't you agree? Your post does not fit these categories, but I'm commenting on it as I think the implied allegation is frankly ridiculous. I would not dare suggest that there is censorship going on on this forum. I will not comment on the Eagle's Nest disaster either, as it is not my place to comment on behalf of AbortedMan. My issue is that a discussion must go both ways to be productive. On this unlock debate, we are basically told by the dev that "I hear what you're saying... but I will not change my mind. PERIOD." I do not like this way of doing business. Especially with customers who have already paid for your product, as professionalism requires.
FlatSpinMan Posted October 4, 2014 Posted October 4, 2014 I'll say this again. Post "politely". Look, I get that the new unlock annoys some people - fine! Just say that nicely. Do not use swear words. Do not use blanked out swear words, ideally. You can make your point perfectly well without them.
Thor Posted October 4, 2014 Posted October 4, 2014 That's strange. I got "rub chillies in your eyes whilst riding a unicycle; then wait". I got that with 'In a wood' !
FlatSpinMan Posted October 4, 2014 Posted October 4, 2014 The devs obviously read what is posted here given all the requests we've made that have been granted, but as you know, they rarely post. It is not just on this issue that they are withholding comment. Perhaps they'll listen to the voices of the vocal forum members, or perhaps they won't. It's in their hands.
IRRE_Belmont Posted October 4, 2014 Posted October 4, 2014 The devs obviously read what is posted here given all the requests we've made that have been granted, but as you know, they rarely post. It is not just on this issue that they are withholding comment. Perhaps they'll listen to the voices of the vocal forum members, or perhaps they won't. It's in their hands. Even if i find the devs awesome for creating such a great game, i have to disagree on that, dev do listen most of the times , but refused at many occasions to reconsider the unlock system, wich was rejected by the majority of MP community 1
kaboki Posted October 4, 2014 Posted October 4, 2014 I'll say this again. Post "politely". Look, I get that the new unlock annoys some people - fine! Just say that nicely. Do not use swear words. Do not use blanked out swear words, ideally. You can make your point perfectly well without them. Yeah I get your point about swearing now and Im sorry, I do not really mean any harm with it. It's just the way we speak up here in northern Norway, it kinda came in with the mothers milk, lol(we are abit unciviliced here, maybe it's the harsh climate, dunno:p).
Rama Posted October 4, 2014 Posted October 4, 2014 My issue is that a discussion must go both ways to be productive. On this unlock debate, we are basically told by the dev that "I hear what you're saying... but I will not change my mind. PERIOD." I do not like this way of doing business. Especially with customers who have already paid for your product, as professionalism requires. Sometimes the dev change their mind (there are examples in the past, as for the FW190 windshield, and many other stuff), sometimes they don't. You can't expect the dev to adhere to all opinion expressed on the forum, and you probably wouldn't like it (since then they would also adhere to some expressed opinions you dislike). In any case, nobody has a crystal ball and can predict what the dev decisions will be in the future.
Zak Posted October 4, 2014 Posted October 4, 2014 A comment for the comment: the unlock system is not about to be changed yet. It hasn't been considered at all. The campaign logic and saturation with events may improve IF we find out that the whole campaign mode is interesting to you, the players. ROF had a superb career mode but it was never popular.
dburne Posted October 4, 2014 Posted October 4, 2014 A comment for the comment: the unlock system is not about to be changed yet. It hasn't been considered at all. The campaign logic and saturation with events may improve IF we find out that the whole campaign mode is interesting to you, the players. ROF had a superb career mode but it was never popular. Well at this time, I for one would give anything to have a career mode like ROF has... imho, it is way better.
Dakpilot Posted October 4, 2014 Posted October 4, 2014 Too much angst on the first day of experience with this system in place Cheers Dakpilot
IRRE_Belmont Posted October 4, 2014 Posted October 4, 2014 A comment for the comment: the unlock system is not about to be changed yet. It hasn't been considered at all. The campaign logic and saturation with events may improve IF we find out that the whole campaign mode is interesting to you, the players. ROF had a superb career mode but it was never popular. I'm sorry to say that the campaign isn't really.... well, let's just say interesting I like the concept, but there is no point of playing it, exepts unlocks.. It's still a ''beta state'' campaign, but i fear that many will prefer older systems , like in ROF or in 1946
dburne Posted October 4, 2014 Posted October 4, 2014 Too much angst on the first day of experience with this system in place Cheers Dakpilot And where there is smoke....
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