Developer Diary, Part 81

[Trooper117]

Just downloading the new installer... phew! It's obvious that 'you can't please all of the people all of the time' Some people not happy.

Unlocks? yes, we knew about that right from the beginning. But I'm an adult, so what am I going to do?... Unlock them of course lol!

Get on with it. Your life won't change, you won't go bankrupt or die just because you spend a couple of hours on a SP campaign... Then you can get back to multi player

[HippyDruid]

Congrats on the single player campaign release!!

 

It just had to be on the long weekend when all the family is coming over!

Maybe they won't notice me missing after a couple of drinks then!? 

[1PL-Husar-1Esk]

Am i doing it right ?

 

No you are not, think again.

[AbortedMan]

 

No more winter skin ???

GAME!!!

 

And who painted the ceiling ? Hummm will be tweaking some settings..

 

And yes locked... well

 

Why are people complaining that this is a game? Did you really think you were going to be logging real flight hours by playing this? It's a program on your computer that displays pictures that correspond to your input. It's not wrong if it's a game. Wtf?

[Voidhunger]

So whats the point of this campaign?

You cannot create your avatar

There is no logbook to show your progress ( I guess its a profile in the main menu?lol )

There are no historical units you can fight for

etc

 

So Its the same as QMB ! Honestly QMB is better, because there are no arcadish stuff

Edited October 4, 2014 by Voidhunger

[1PL-Husar-1Esk]

As Janson said that they listen to everyone. For me listen to everyone and do not react is just plain ignorance. If they insist to include this points - unlock system it should work in multiplayer mode too.

[snowsnipersnow_sniper]

well

I've never flight in normal mode in BOS, DCS, CLod. So it's difficult for me to not be able to tweak rpms, engine and rad as i used to do, even in the "easy normal mission tutorial". makes me those crappy feeling to be in a WT trip...

Easier for me to manage the plane in full real mode, before dogfighting or landing for exemple, for fine adjust about bouncing and prevent groundlooping.

The Worst of this experiment SP mission is to be unable to do it in expert mode... in my mind. (and grab some point, & skins quicker than in normal mod)

 

...or maybe i've missed something, a button to check/ uncheck ?

can I  do it again in expert mode ?

Edited October 4, 2014 by snowsnipersnow_sniper

[Unformer]

Thanks all for your great work !

 

Your sim gives the best realistic Immersion experienced so far in flight sims - and I have simmed them all -

loving the system of giving reward as skins, weapones, etc. for playing the single Player campaign.

 

Hoping there will appear some more campaigns in the near future...and next year latest a summer map

[Zak]

If your skins don't unlock please tell us about it via customer support form. We'll try to fix it. It's a bug obviously.

[Static]

Wow! I finished the the first campaign mission in 3:66 sec, all I saw was a yellow floating target. Then the second mission I shot a soft target and clipped a tree. I hope the devs/ shareholders will let me pick a side in the final game.

 

Sad days among the flight sim world. I know the game is not finished (I was hoping for a ww2 flight sim though) but the feel is like I am playing and XBOX or a PS whatever console. EDITED SWEAR WORD I almost forgot I was using a PC. No wonder they locked so many aspects of the game, I guarantee the shareholders/ financial backers will be porting BoS to console. 

 

The single player campaign is like a pop-up book. It has no feel of a WW2 flight simulator with choices, different settings to pick among on how one would like to experience the game/ sim, sim/ game, later to be ported to consoles. 

 

Oh well! I can only hope for 3rd party developers to kick in the simulator aspect. 

 

 

 

 

EDIT BY FSM: You can be unhappy with the sim, but do it politely on this forum.

[SvAF/F19_Klunk]

I can't really believe the tone some of u guys are using.... Adult men... .. Really?

 

We can all have opinions, and I share some of them....but really?

 

I didn't expect that from a lot of u guys who have been with us for a decade even....

 

 

 

 

 

 

Really????

Edited October 4, 2014 by SvAF_Klunk

[malcheus]

I actually like the campaign, and currently my only issue is that I can't turn on object markers; so I have to spot planes, which I'm not at all used to.

That, or use normal mode where the planes fly themselves.

 

I just flew a mission without spotting a single plane, so I went back to base, where I landed.

There it said I couldn't end my mission because I didn't intercept any bombers. 

[Zak]

...I guarantee the shareholders/ financial backers will be porting BoS to console.

No.

 

Gift skins maybe temporarily unavailable, we'll fix it fast next week.

[VRPilot]

whohoo, I like this update! Maybe I'm the only one, but I like it very much with the single player thing

[kaboki]

Get on with it. Your life won't change, you won't go bankrupt or die just because you spend a couple of hours on a SP campaign... Then you can get back to multi player

 

Im not getting on, I move along to something else:p. I may not get bankrupt or die, but im sure  gonna get bored to death fighting AI and by the time I finish the campain I probably would be to tired of BOS to even start up with MP again. Each to he's own, I just express my personal feeling about this unlock EDITED SWEAR WORD and unfortunently it puts me off so much that I have no plans on further supporting the product..

 

BTW is it possible to get a refund?

 

 

 

 

 

EDITED BY FSM: You are free to have your own opinion of the game, but express it politely on this forum.

Edited October 4, 2014 by FlatSpinMan

[Static]

Why are people complaining that this is a game? Did you really think you were going to be logging real flight hours by playing this? It's a program on your computer that displays pictures that correspond to your input. It's not wrong if it's a game. Wtf?

 

subLOGIC Flight Simulator II for the C64 had more options than the BoS campaign. Most of the people who publicly backed the development of BoS with currency came from IL2 Sturmovik series developed by 1C and other WW2 simulators even older.

Did you merge over from WarThunder? The aspect of the game is fine yet there are restrictions that a PC gamer despises, hence why people tend to spend more money on hardware to enjoy customization properties of said game and not to be forced into playing without options. 

[DD_Arthur]

I saved my input folder before deleting the game last night and just copied it into my new game and.....it works!

[216th_Peterla]

If your skins don't unlock please tell us about it via customer support form. We'll try to fix it. It's a bug obviously.

Yeap, skins doesn't unlock apparently after reaching the XP mark.

Report sent as per your instructions.

[LLv34_Flanker]

S!

 

 Ok. Installed the game, setup the controls and other settings. All fine and dandy there. Choose Campaign and do the tutorial missions. A breeze, game works as it should except the horrible VSync stutter is back again, at least in Campaign. In QMB there is none. Related to AI? The tutorial is good for a new pilot to the IL-2 series and you get to see both sides of the fence, so to say. LaGG-3 is different to fly than the Bf109F-4. Good way to experience differences and then choose preference or fly them all Need to delve deeper into the campaign to see how the XP is accumulated, a grind or somewhat manageable. By the looks of it could be decent accumulation if you accomplish the goals + added extra for landing. Can't say much of the campaign system before the full campaign editor is released and if Co-op is coming. That would give a lot more to the game. Back to testing..I guess

[ST_ami7b5]

I saved my input folder before deleting the game last night and just copied it into my new game and.....it works!

 

Me too

[snowsnipersnow_sniper]

after a bos restart, i was able to grab "expert mode" in campain after the tutorial.

So the Intercept mission is quite better with no more helps and markers, and full ability to tweak rpm and rads, and realistic spotting bombers 

let try the next one.

 

[Lensman]

I don't know many Russians who bluff.

 

Jason

 

Hmmm ... didn't Stalin sign the pact with Germany at the start of WWII as a bluff to delay the invasion of the Soviet Union until the latter had built more defences?

Strikes me as a major bluff ...  ;-)

[saf]

"Clod and DCS are coming out better" Sure Clod is fine, but!!!!!!!!! DCS? You are flying in an early P-51 model against an late 190 D model    - you must be joking history up my bxxx and remember to pull the balance card as they do over at the ED forums

[SR-F_Winger]

Id like to know if the progress we make during this testphase in the campaign will be erased at release? Means will we have to refly the whole campaign again and unlock everything again after release?

I ask because i am flying MP almost exclusively and think i will only fly the campaign for the purpose of unlocking the mods/skins and would prefer to not have to do it again.

[DD_Arthur]

Hey!!  The good news; even though I'm an old fart, I now have a "young pilots certificate"!!

[Lensman]

It was meant as a joke to answer the joke 

 

Aha! Hoisted by my own petard!  Sorry. 

[ducs]

I'm enjoying SP quite a bit, but I think they should at the very least allow XP to be earned in MP and go towards the unlocks. Would definitely be a good middle ground IMO.

[Han]

Everyone who have stuck on 2nd mission with locked VYa23 - to be fixed in thuesday.

[312_Cherry]

Everyone who have stuck on 2nd mission with locked VYa23 - to be fixed in thuesday.

 

Me VYa 23 unlock . Next skin NO ......

Scren is  on 9 page

Edited October 4, 2014 by 312_Cherry

[novicebutdeadly]

Okay time to share my thoughts,

 

Whilst it's very tempting to give a highly emotional response, I will try my best to not to.


For a game that is being promoted for Historical accuracy with authentic flight models, the choice of this unlocking system is a little confusing (and not historically accurate). 

 

In real life (as far as I am aware, but happy to be corrected), armament options were up to the pilot, as were things like removing the head rest etc.

However the best (newest) planes always went the "old hands" who knew how to fly/ treat an aircraft, whilst the newbies had to fly the "old crates"


If the game developers (whom I'm sure everyone would agree have worked hard, and taken a large financial risk to make this product) wish to still have the unlocks (to give people something to work towards), then it should really only include Air-frame (up grade from an old crate), Engine (to an engine that actually produces the average amount of power/a little more/ a little less), Special skins (paint job, to those not liking the term skins  ), and emblems.

From memory (in one of the forums on here) the planes the Germans get to fly (in game) are "old crates", so doing the whole air-frame/ engine upgrade is easy, in that over time they revert back to the "minimum spec", and if you have a hard landing/ receive combat damage etc, it reverts significantly quicker.

 

The other problem with the current unlock system, is that the majority of the people who play this game do not have the time to play both the SP, and MP.

 

They are people who have full time jobs, are married/ and or have kids, and so have limited time.

So far it doesn't seem to be like the FPS where you can achieve multiple unlocks in one mission, this combined with the above means that alot of the potential fan base will simply not buy this game (I never thought I would ever say this, but at least with war thunder (which I played twice and hated) you can pay to skip the grind, although that game is free to down load....).

If the developers still wish to continue to go down the path of the FPS community (with the current unlock system) please do the unlocks in a similar way to what they do, that is, in the campaign just limit what people can have, and leave the unlocking in the MP realm.

 

I can understand the developers wanting to immerse the player in history etc, however I wonder how many bought this game for that reason (this is an honest question). Personally, I bought the game because I was after a game with realistic flight models, and significantly better graphics than il2.

I never played a single SP campaign il2 and hadn't planned to do it in BOS (perhaps I should have payed more attention/ read the posts about the unlocking system....), for the pure simple reason that it doesn't interest me.


to the SP community who think that the MP group is being unrealistic (I def agree that some of the emotional posts left alot to be desired), image (for a split second) if you were forced to play MP to unlock your next mission/campaign........


I hope that when the game is fully released this issue will be resolved, sadly in the mean time I will have to advise my brother who got me addicted to il2, not to buy this game, not out of spite of the unlock system, but he honestly wouldn't have the time to play the game in its current form (so that is at least one potential customer lost).










 

 

Edited October 4, 2014 by novicebutdeadly

[snowsnipersnow_sniper]

another thing : 

 

Could it be possible to have a preview ( screenshots or thumb gallery) on in games locked Skins 

 

( in order to get all the usefull motivation to go on the campaign ?)

 

Sure, seeing why i'm doing that SP campain would  be very  helpfull. ...

 

Thanks for that, if possible, Zak ? 

[Feathered_IV]

Got throught the tutorial for the campaign quickly enough.  Currently flying the LaGG for my first career. 

 

I notice there is very little air and ground activity.  This tends to make the experience dull.   RoF's beta campaign also had the same problem.  Will the devs care comment on their ambitions for the future with this?

[Livai]

With this update the response time from the controls to the plane is much more better and on my HTPC with a AMD HD 6XXX Series runs much more better, too.

Question to the Devs: Are the Master Server still monitoring the Performance?

I like the 12.7mm UB guns for the Lagg-3 and I cant wait to unlock some nice big guns for the Lagg-3 that are the 23mm VYa-23 gun or the heavy gun 37mm Sh-37 gun, too

 

 

Does anyone really think this type of gamer is going to spend $70 on this game and $50 on a basic flightstick, having never shown any interest in flight-simming before?

No, you need to show interest for flight-simming. You not need for BoS a basic flightstick to fly the game with mixed Expert and Normal Settings with a tastatur + mouse or just use a Game console controller. I use a Xbox one controller together with trackIR. I hope BoS comes out for SteamOS.

[GhostLine06]

Everyone who have stuck on 2nd mission with locked VYa23 - to be fixed in thuesday.

 

I am confused do you mean Tuesday or Thursday? 

 

Either way I wish I hadn't gotten greedy and tried to land on the first tutorial. Now I have too wait and watch as the game passes me by this weekend. 

 

Thank you Han for the info. And thanks for the awesome game.

[71st_AH_Mastiff]

same here my response time and Im not getting any rubber band issues any longer. except when its gusty..

[Schmalzfaust]

Anyone noticed these guys? 

 

[DD_Arthur]

O.K;  Completed the first four training missions with no problems and no bugs as far as I can tell but still no Coelacanth .

[AbortedMan]

@Schmalzfaust They've been around in MP for a while.

Edited October 4, 2014 by =SE=AbortedMan

[Dakpilot]

D

 

O.K;  Completed the first four training missions with no problems and no bugs as far as I can tell but still no Coelacanth .

 

Don't worry it has probably been strapped to your exhaust manifold and you will only notice it later

 

Cheers Dakpilot

[216th_Peterla]

Anyone noticed these guys? 

 

Yeap, I was going to post the same but in russian airfields