New Pedals - BRD-F3!

[Cyph3r]

Hey all,

 

Surprisingly I don't see these spoken about very much and I really have no idea why. I came across them pretty much by accident and thought they looked amazing! Decided to just take a chance on them, sent a wad of money over to Baur in Russia and 10 days later I've got these beauties in my posession:

 

 

I've sort of always scoffed at high-end pedals. My Saitek Combats were pretty expensive, and yaw-input is pretty boring... how much better can it really be? Well the answer to that is it's infinitely better! The Saitek's are absolute trash compared to the BRDs. The BRDs are unbelievably smooth and feel so controlled. Also full metal construction so this is a weighty set of pedals, about 10kg. It just screams quality.

I also spent $12 to get a set of SU-35 jet style pedals included as well! 

 

 

I've only had a few hours play time with them so far, but I've honestly got nothing bad to say about them, which is incredibly rare for me. I'll be doing an in-depth review video for them soon!

Edited August 6, 2016 by Cyph3r

[Bando]

They look good.

I got the MFG Crosswind and those are quality as well.

 

I guess at the moment the Crosswind, Slaw device, and as you noticed, the BRD are all privately constructed pedals and they all deliver exceptional good performance.

I hope someone makes some good throttle and (FFB) sticks.

 

Maybe quality will win over quantity some day.

[Komaroff]

.... The BRDs are unbelievably smooth and feel so controlled. Also full metal construction so this is a weighty set of pedals, about 10kg...

 

What sensors on the pedals, analog or digital.

I see a gray cable, then most likely digital sensors.

[Cyph3r]

What sensors on the pedals, analog or digital.

I see a gray cable, then most likely digital sensors.

 

It uses contactless hall sensors, not pots. If that's what you're asking.

[kestrel79]

Would love to get a set of high end pedals to replace my CH pedals that I've had for now almost 10 years but don't think they would fit in my Obutto. Might have to go VKB mkIVs

[71st_AH_Mastiff]

no store link? more than likely not available in the USA.

[Sokol1]

no store link? more than likely not available in the USA.

 

 

No, they are not available in USA - like MFG or SLAW pedals.

 

Is produced in small batches in Sochi - Russia, and sales is though this (Russian language) forum page:

 

http://avia-sim.ru/forum/viewforum.php?f=27

 

Or though email or MP contact with BAUR - he is user in this IL-2 forum.   

Edited August 8, 2016 by Sokol1

[Komaroff]

It uses contactless hall sensors, not pots. If that's what you're asking.

 

BRD uses magnetoresistors for a long time. It is much better than hall sensors.

On pedals two types of magneto-resistive sensors were used. Analog and digital.

Recently BRD mainly uses digital.

Like these ones:

RudderMaster - Announcement of pedal controller (rus)

[Sokol1]

Looks like in game/sim forums "HALL sensor" became synonymous for all kind of contactless sensors. 

 

Even the Chinese who make VKB Gladiator call their MaRS contactless sensors as "HALL sensor" in their advertising - due Tm Warthog "hype".

Edited August 8, 2016 by Sokol1

[Cyph3r]

BRD uses magnetoresistors for a long time. It is much better than hall sensors.

On pedals two types of magneto-resistive sensors were used. Analog and digital.

Recently BRD mainly uses digital.

Like these ones:

RudderMaster - Announcement of pedal controller (rus)

Digital-1.jpeg

 

Looks like in game/sim forums "HALL sensor" became synonymous for all kind of contactless sensors. 

 

Even the Chinese who make VKB Gladiator call their MaRS contactless sensors as "HALL sensor" in their advertising - due Tm Warthog "hype".

 

 

Yes sorry! My ignorance showing through here. Thanks for the clarification!

 

 

 

 

no store link? more than likely not available in the USA.

 

I contacted Baur on the Russian IL2 forum. I know a couple of guys in the US who purchased and received a set no problems. I'm in the UK.

[Sokol1]

On pedals two types of magneto-resistive sensors were used. Analog and digital.

 

Komaroff

 

What magneto resistive sensor is available for buy, ready to use in analog mode?

 

Ask this because old controllers, like CH or Cougar is no compatible with digital sensors.

 

For use this sensors as potentiometer (resistor) replacement.

[=VIRPIL=Baur]

Hi guys! I work with joysticks and pedals for almost a decade

 

In the year 2007:

My first stick -  http://avia-sim.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=199

My first pedal - http://avia-sim.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=210

 

I do not have store site. I am a designer, and only then the seller. I am happy only when creating a new device.

Virtual pilots in Russia know me for a long time. I did a lot of different designs. And now some of them I am ready to offer to you too.

I look forward to your questions. I always do something new. And I find it hard to have time to talk about this.
Sokol1 pilot is familiar with my work. He has told me to Western pilots. For that he thanks!

[Sokol1]

Ops, wrong place. 

Edited August 9, 2016 by Sokol1

[ACG_Invictus]

I bought these as well to replace my VKB MkI pedals, which are going to my son for his Arma helo flying. I think the VKBs were great. Best pedals I had owned until that point to be honest, and I've owned pretty much every rudder Thrustmaster, CH, Logitech and Saitek have made. I even owned a set of Flightlink RCM pedals that new cost 2.5 times the price of the BRDs. None of them, not ONE, even come close to BRD pedals.

 

Sadly, I cannot use these babies yet as they do not fit in my Obutto Ozone cockpit. I knew this when I purchased them but did so anyway. I'm trying to decide if Im going to build a custom cockpit or have the Obutto base redone by a local metal worker. I just hope to be able to use them VERY soon.

[Bearfoot]

Can someone explain the practical difference between usage of hall sensor (as in MFG Crosswinds) and MaRS (as in BRD F3)? 

 

I read that it hall has only 40% of its response as linear. But what does that actually *mean* in practice?

 

Is it precision? Durability? Better "feel"?

 

MFG Crosswinds promises  (with "3rd generation triaxis digital Hall sensor") 4096 rudder positions. With MaRS will you get more? E.g., 8192 or 16384?

 

 

[Slaw]

I know a lot of the electronics for the pedals. But I have never raised this matter. But the truth is the most important. 4096 counts - this is for the rotation angle of 180 degrees (one by one). Calibration Program stretches these values to a small angle of rotation. Therefore, you will not get 4096 points one by one, as in this video.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oSbSgGDQe8 (Owner can check it) For reference, in the pedals on the video 13 bit sensor that corresponds to reference 8192 by 180 degrees or more than 45 points per degree of rotation. These pedals have a real 2730 position for 60 degrees. 

And besides a good digital software allows for stable readings, which is mainly for the virtual pilots.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjClrNbZVNI

[Sokol1]

From "hobbyist" point of view, not technical: I know that magnet resistor is more modern sensing solution than HALL sensor, they are used for example in automotive industry - that use HALL in "simple things" like fuel tank level sensor.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant_magnetoresistance

 

MFG use Melexis HALL sensor, dont know what. Melexis  have HALL developed for joystick usage (used in Warthog, X-55/56), that have a desirable feature that is determine in what angle they will use the USB controller full resolution.

 

What determine the resolution is not the sensor - although they can limit this, see in the document bellow - is the USB controller, contrary to what may seem, potentiometers is not resolution limiting factor - they drawback are others (e.g. spikes, limited life span, and today good quality potentiometers can cost more than contactless sensors...)

 

For comparison, TLE5011 magnet resistor used in DIY with MMjoy2 can read 40.000 resolutions points (~15 bits) in 360 degrees - but in joystick usage the gimbal limit this to around 20+20 degrees, what mean practical use of only 4.400 of this possible resolution, or ~12 bits. If they are programmable like Melexis will be possible use this 40.000 in 40 degrees. *

 

Add to this that in practice resolutions above 12 bits implicit that your foots should be able to make movements with less than 0,01mm... 

 

In short, more resolution allow send commands for games with less movement.

 

Until now, from simmer/joystick point of view understanding this is the best explanation  about "resolution" I have see:

 

http://www.hempstick.org/download/articles/OnResolution.pdf

 

* To give a better figure about this: CH USB controllers is only 8 bits (256 resolution points) and you find lot of people that still telling marvelous about "their precision", in ED topic a guy say recently that in practice he find Fighterstick (256) better than Warthog (65.536 advertised) for control planes. 

This 8 bits (256 points) theoretically mean that CH pedal smaller correction possible is in ~0,7mm movement. Smaller movements is not detect by controller.

 

On the other way you can find people saying  they are able to fell the difference between 10 bits (1.024) and 12 bits (4.096) controllers.

 

A popular Youtuber "dogfighter killer" use CH Fighterstick at ~10 years, but now with his X, Y axis connected to ~11 bits (~2000 points) controller. Why?

Is not said that actual Flight Games/Sim's generation use "Advanced FM", "Professional FM", "Better than All FM"... So they need better controllers. 

 

BTW - More on resolution in this...  "Battle of Pedals" http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/3977757/H1TMAN_ACTUA1 

 

Other example: Warthog users that add extension to their stick say that they became "more precise".

 

But be adding extension, they are done smaller grip angle movement for make the same corrections, this turn the gimbal and thus the magnet used for sensor reference less angle, so command less resolution (less points variation).

 

But as the controller have resolution for ET's, this resolution decrease don't matter, but the better physical control over joystick grip. 

Edited August 9, 2016 by Sokol1

[Bearfoot]

I know a lot of the electronics for the pedals. But I have never raised this matter. But the truth is the most important. 4096 counts - this is for the rotation angle of 180 degrees (one by one). Calibration Program stretches these values to a small angle of rotation. Therefore, you will not get 4096 points one by one, as in this video.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oSbSgGDQe8 (Owner can check it) For reference, in the pedals on the video 13 bit sensor that corresponds to reference 8192 by 180 degrees or more than 45 points per degree of rotation. These pedals have a real 2730 position for 60 degrees. 

And besides a good digital software allows for stable readings, which is mainly for the virtual pilots.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjClrNbZVNI

 

Thanks for this. This makes sense: the actual number of positions is limited to the range of movement!

[Bearfoot]

From "hobbyist" point of view, not technical: I know that magnet resistor is more modern sensing solution than HALL sensor, they are used for example in automotive industry - that use HALL in "simple things" like fuel tank level sensor.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant_magnetoresistance

 

MFG use Melexis HALL sensor, dont know what. Melexis  have HALL developed for joystick usage (used in Warthog, X-55/56), that have a desirable feature that is determine in what angle they will use the USB controller full resolution.

 

What determine the resolution is not the sensor - although they can limit this, see in the document bellow - is the USB controller, contrary to what may seem, potentiometers is not resolution limiting factor - they drawback are others (e.g. spikes, limited life span, and today good quality potentiometers can cost more than contactless sensors...)

 

For comparison, TLE5011 magnet resistor used in DIY with MMjoy2 can read 40.000 resolutions points (~15 bits) in 360 degrees - but in joystick usage the gimbal limit this to around 20+20 degrees, what mean practical use of only 4.400 of this possible resolution, or ~12 bits. If they are programmable like Melexis will be possible use this 40.000 in 40 degrees. *

 

Add to this that in practice resolutions above 12 bits implicit that your foots should be able to make movements with less than 0,01mm... 

 

In short, more resolution allow send commands for games with less movement.

 

Until now, from simmer/joystick point of view understanding this is the best explanation  about "resolution" I have see:

 

http://www.hempstick.org/download/articles/OnResolution.pdf

 

* To give a better figure about this: CH USB controllers is only 8 bits (256 resolution points) and you find lot of people that still telling marvelous about "their precision", in ED topic a guy say recently that in practice he find Fighterstick (256) better than Warthog (65.536 advertised) for control planes. 

This 8 bits (256 points) theoretically mean that CH pedal smaller correction possible is in ~0,7mm movement. Smaller movements is not detect by controller.

 

On the other way you can find people saying  they are able to fell the difference between 10 bits (1.024) and 12 bits (4.096) controllers.

 

A popular Youtuber "dogfighter killer" use CH Fighterstick at ~10 years, but now with his X, Y axis connected to ~11 bits (~2000 points) controller. Why?

Is not said that actual Flight Games/Sim's generation use "Advanced FM", "Professional FM", "Better than All FM"... So they need better controllers. 

 

BTW - More on resolution in this...  "Battle of Pedals" http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/3977757/H1TMAN_ACTUA1 

 

Other example: Warthog users that add extension to their stick say that they became "more precise".

 

But be adding extension, they are done smaller grip angle movement for make the same corrections, this turn the gimbal and thus the magnet used for sensor reference less angle, so command less resolution (less points variation).

 

But as the controller have resolution for ET's, this resolution decrease don't matter, but the better physical control over joystick grip. 

 

Thanks for this info. 

 

That link to the "Battle of Pedals" is really informative!

 

Some interesting highlights:

 

- Milan describes differences between Hall vs. MaRS vs. Melexis 3D Hall: http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/3990867/Re:_Slaw_VS._Milan_the_battle_#Post3990867 

- Clarification on angles and sensor by Slaw: http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/3992830/Re:_Slaw_VS._Milan_the_battle_#Post3992830 .

- Milan says with calibration, full 4096 positions available with the MFG design here http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/3993516/Re:_Slaw_VS._Milan_the_battle_#Post3993516 .

- Further summary of electronics: http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/3996766/Slaw_vs._Milan_the_battle_of_e#Post3996766

[Sokol1]

What UIV - VKB say about resolution - or the resolution needed:

 

http://www.vkb-sim.pro/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=2200&p=22618#p22199

[Komaroff]

Can someone explain the practical difference between usage of hall sensor (as in MFG Crosswinds) and MaRS (as in BRD F3)? 

I read that it hall has only 40% of its response as linear. But what does that actually *mean* in practice?

Is it precision? Durability? Better "feel"?

MFG Crosswinds promises  (with "3rd generation triaxis digital Hall sensor") 4096 rudder positions. With MaRS will you get more? E.g., 8192 or 16384?

 

BRD (subj - F3, all axis) and Slaw pedals contain digital RAMS sensor (Rotary Angle Magnet Sensor), not a MaRS. RAMS - sensor of my own design.

Digital magnetic sensor for control devices _by Komaroff

Hardware resolution of RAMS sensor is 13 bits (8191 digits) per 180 degrees (about 45 digits per degree).

Further, it can be summed by controller algorithm to 14 bits per 360 degrees etc.

The same hardware angular resolution (about 45 digits per degree) is in MFG pedal sensor.

Angular (real) resolution of digital sensor scales by controller to a logical resolution corresponding pedal axis (for example 13 bits = 8191 digits for Slaw pedals).

In general, the sensors respond to the rotation of the magnet, which is fixed on the pedal shaft.

 

Technology conventional magnetoresistive effect (not GMR), used in RAMS sensors of BRD and SLAW pedals is robust.

The values of signals are used to calculate the angle does not depend on the strength of the applied magnetic field, and responds only to the field direction.

The ability to use strong magnets (unlike Hall) allows to be more resistant to spikes effects of magnetic interference from the closest working devices (motors of fans etc.).

In addition, each RAMS sensor passes special calibration procedure for max linearity.

 

From "hobbyist" point of view, not technical: I know that magnet resistor is more modern sensing solution than HALL sensor, they are used for example in automotive industry - that use HALL in "simple things" like fuel tank level sensor.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant_magnetoresistance

...

Until now, from simmer/joystick point of view understanding this is the best explanation  about "resolution" I have see:

http://www.hempstick.org/download/articles/OnResolution.pdf

...

Available for hobbyist sensors with Giant magnetoresistance (I emphasize - GIANT magnetoresistors, GMR) according to the specification have the requirement of the magnetic field strength limits in order to avoid permanent damage to the GMR-sensor.

Sokol1. To use the methods of increasing the resolution described in the article on your link, processed signals must meet certain fundamental conditions.

I'm afraid that check these conditions could ignore not only Thrustmaster

[LeLv8_Otto]

Ordered my set - same as Cyph3r. Looking forward to get them.

 

Thanks Cyph3r & Sokol for all information you have provided .

[KiwiOne]

ok, after reading this, I sent a PM to Baur. 

 

Edited August 11, 2016 by KiwiOne

[Bommel]

Is there a reason why there is no price (range) posted?

[1PL-Husar-1Esk]

I would like to buy one. How make a order and where send mony?

[Bommel]

I would like to buy one. How make a order and where send mony?

contact http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/user/2357-nt-baur/

[=VIRPIL=Baur]

Hello!

I got a storm of letters and personal messages. I did not expect that you know so little about the Baur-devices. 

In this topic, I will try to answer the questions that have the same content.

I'll start the story with the pedals.

 

The first model BRD-MS1(2)Kamov has an ergonomic pedals helicopter and many aircraft of World War II, which we are so much interested.

 

The pedals have only one axis. Electronics characterization I can not be translated into English. http://avia-sim.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=909 

The controller provides the operation of the digital sensor. And the program has configurator. We are working to improve the Original Program. You can buy a pedal and upload updates when they are ready. But now you do not need to make changes )) Everything works fine!

 

Prices in Europe together with the postal costs:
BRD-MS1 200 dollars (US)

 

 

 

[=VIRPIL=Baur]

The same design without base

 

This option you can attach to your cockpit. I recommend to do so.

 

 

Prices in Europe together with the postal costs:
BRD-MS1 190 dollars (US)

 

The rubber coating on the sites can not be selected. I will send what is available. There are two types - "strip" and "point."

You can write to me - brd-2014@inbox.ru

 

 

There is a modification BRD-MS2
It features an electronically. They set only analog sensor without a controller. Such pedal joysticks we connect to other manufacturers. However, this option does not suit you.

Edited August 14, 2016 by -=NT=-Baur

[=VIRPIL=Baur]

I do not have PayPal. You can only pay by Western Union. I manufactured a little pedal. Not always available. At the moment, there is only BRD-MS1.

If you're interested, I'll talk about the other pedals:

BRD-M3

BRD-F3

BRD-F1(2)

Write your questions. It's hard to write a lot in English

 

Here's an example of your questions:

 

1. Is my understanding correct, that all available models (MS, MS3 and F3)
have the identical base and electronics, but different pedal styles?

 

Yes it is. Besides BRD-MS1(2) pedals do not have brake blocks.

 

2. Is there an application form in English?

 

No. Just email me which device you want to get?

I need full postal information:
name -
street -
house -
Town (administrative center) -
country -
postcode -
Phone number -

 

3. Can I order pre-assembled pedals right now? If not, will there be
English assembly instructions?

 

In Russia, I sell 90% of the pedal disassembled. So much cheaper than my compatriots. For you, this amount (about $ 26-32) is not essential. However, in the future, we may make the instructions in English.

Many very interesting to collect the pedal itself.

 

4. Do you know how the current EU->Russian and Russian->EU sanctions will
impact delivery? Have there been any problems with this so far?

 

No problem. And I am very happy about it. I am sure that sanctions will be lifted in the future. EU governments are wrong. Monster is made from Russia. It's funny ))

Russia is a very big country. A lot of good land, lots of good water, a lot of ore and other minerals. As well as oil and gas. Think over my words )

[Sokol1]

There is a modification BRD-MS2

It features an electronically. They set only analog sensor without a controller. Such pedal joysticks we connect to other manufacturers. However, this option does not suit you.

 

This model is, for example, replace the "twist rudder" in upgraded Cobra M-5 - like in this picture - the green USB cable is for plug BRD-MS2?

 

http://avia-sim.ru/forum/download/file.php?id=6667.

 

BTW - For Western the most interesting pedals is ones with brakes - "toe brakes" - some people consider this the most important control in the plane. 

Edited August 20, 2016 by Sokol1

[=VIRPIL=Baur]

This model is, for example, replace the "twist rudder" in upgraded Cobra M-5 - like in this picture - the green USB cable is for plug BRD-MS2?

Defender Cobra M5, Saitek X52, CH.

 

BTW - For Western the most interesting pedals is ones with brakes - "toe brakes" - some people consider this the most important control in the plane. 

It is important to the central axis! It is the same on all my pedals

[Sokol1]

 

This model is, for example, replace the "twist rudder" in upgraded Cobra M-5 - like in this picture - the green USB cable is for plug BRD-MS2?

Defender Cobra M5, Saitek X52, CH.

 

BTW - Actually CH don't have joystick with "twist rudder".

 

Because their models were developed before Logitech or MS "invent" twist rudder in end of 90's, so they are too "vintage" for this "modern" feature.

 

The talk about "toe brakes" is a joke. 

 

Baur, detail this models, what have brake, and what can use the Su-35 pad (heel on floor) - think this will be the models that interest people more.

 

BRD-M3

BRD-F3

BRD-F1(2)

Edited August 20, 2016 by Sokol1

[=VIRPIL=Baur]

BTW - Actually CH don't have joystick with "twist rudder".

 

Because their models were developed before Logitech or MS "invent" twist rudder in end of 90's, so they are too "vintage" for this "modern" feature.

In the photo I show contacts, which connect analog sensors. The axis "Z" is the pedal

 

 

http://avia-sim.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=841&sid=b259039fa0c75a905c61977ad8fd1481

 

However, I recommend to put the pedal to the electronic board controller RudderMaster

 

 Baur, detail this models, what have brake, and what can use the Su-35 pad (heel on floor) - think this will be the models that interest people more.

 

BRD-MS3

BRD-F3

BRD-F1(2)

Good. I will prepare a story.

[Sokol1]

In the photo I show contacts, which connect analog sensors. The axis "Z" is the pedal

 

P-CH14.jpgP-CH9.jpg

 

Good idea, use the throttle disk axis in base for rudder pedal. 

[LeLv8_Otto]

Ordered my set - same as Cyph3r. Looking forward to get them.

 

Thanks Cyph3r & Sokol for all information you have provided .

 

Got the BRD-F3 pedals yesterday, assembled them and connected to my PC. First impression is very good! Finishing of them is nice and they feel like they would be real pedals from the plane. They are very precise controllers compared to my previous CH Rudder pedals. Had couple flights -  will test more tonight.

Edited August 26, 2016 by LeLv8_Otto

[=VIRPIL=Baur]

Baur, detail this models, what have brake, and what can use the Su-35 pad (heel on floor) - think this will be the models that interest people more.

 

BRD-MS3

BRD-F3

BRD-F1(2)

Good. I continue my story.

 

On the basis of the BRD-MS1 pedals (one axis) I did pedal to the three axes.

- BRD-MS3

- BRD-F3

They are absolutely identical and differ only in the area under the foot. These pedals - younger brothers BRD-F1 model. About her I will explain later. Now picture.

 

BRD-MS3 the foot Su-35

 

 

When I pick up the pedal, I can deliver the items to the vertical or inclined installation of the brake blocks.

 

 

The base foundation may also be separated.

 

 

Prices in Europe together with the postal costs:

BRD-MS3 270 dollars (US)

 

 

The price may be increased in the future.

[=VIRPIL=Baur]

BRD-F3 the foot Me-109

 

 

When I pick up the pedal, I can deliver the items to the vertical or inclined installation of the brake blocks.

 

 

The base foundation may also be separated.

 

 

Prices in Europe together with the postal costs:
BRD-F3 280 dollars (US)

 

 

The price may be increased in the future.

Edited August 28, 2016 by -=NT=-Baur

[=VIRPIL=Baur]

If you have a joystick on the table, then I recommend the installation of a vertical brake blocks. If you have a joystick mounted between the legs;) - I recommend inclined brake blocks. So much more convenient anatomically! 

 

In addition there is a variant of both types of delivery platforms for the feet.

 

 

Prices in Europe together with the postal costs - 310 dollars (US)

 

I would like to elaborate on the mechanism that returns the pedal to the center. I made a lot of research. I have done many, many different options. I think that I found the best of them - http://avia-sim.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=828  Such a method is now available not only on my joystick, but also on the pedals.

 

IMPORTANT!

 

In addition, I want to note that this type of download (as opposed to tick) Ideal center return mechanism will not.

In this construction used comfortable feeling center pedal movement. This option may not provide the ideal 50%.

Manufacturers of gaming devices (Saitek, Trastmaster and others) do the trick. They do in the middle of a dead zone of about 45-55%. When the motion falls within this range, there is always the program makes 50% ))) I'm in my electronics show the real current value of the axis. Do you understand?

 

We have a program for the calibration of our electronics. Digital sensors are very accurate! But you'll never see exactly 50% in the center of the axis. This requires a different CAM profile.

We are working to improve our program. And soon add a new interface and new configuration.

 

 

Making pedals and joysticks are not my main job. So I carry out orders in turn. You will need to wait. Next year I'll change it;)

 

 

[Sokol1]

In addition, I want to note that this type of download (as opposed to tick) Ideal center return mechanism will not.

 

This "download" is bad Translator job: the mean is more close to "loading" - in flight sim "language": the spring based return to center mechanism force.

 

"This type of CAM center system mechanism (as oppose to the "Tweezers"* - CH/Cougar like) don't return to exact 0-0 mechanic center".  

 

* Why the "tick".

 

In general, joystick/pedal  with Baur CAM center mechanism can have:

 

A) Clear center - you feel the joystick/pedal returning/passing though the center position, the "clunck" of CH/Cougar joysticks - and the mechanism return to exact center.

 

B) Free center - you can move the joystick/pedal side from side and don't feel center position. Maybe the feel of FFB stick unplugged, or CH/Saitek pedals modded removing the center detent. The mechanism may not return to 0-0 center position.

 

C) Soft center - is somewhere  between "a" and "b".  Perhaps as example, the MSFFB 2 center sensation, what  Gladiator dampened mechanism try approximate.

 

Baur advise, for joystick: "Free center" and "Clear center".

 

- You can experiment with different loading in X and Y axis, e.g.  roll "soft center", Pitch - " free center" (I supposed buying a additional set of CAM with different profile).

 

For pedal: "Clear center"*  and " Soft center".

 

* More suitable for helicopters fly.

Edited August 28, 2016 by Sokol1

[RainMan]

Always good information, Baur! Thank you! 

 

PS: Thanks Sokol!