707shap_Srbin Posted December 26, 2015 Posted December 26, 2015 Last skin pushed me in loooot of hard research. And to resolve this puzzle was very interesting. 1. There is no even one official document sorvived, wich show official Bf110 "splinter" 71/72/65 camouflage scheme. Late-war scheme, 74/75/76 is known from from photos (and easier to find out because of high contrast between 74 and 75 colors). But with dark green and blackgreen - it was very hard to be sure, where each RLM70 splinter is. Most of "green" Bf110's photos show almost solid one color on uppersurfaces. 2. Next thing, that there were two camouflage scheme - "A" and "mirrored-"B". Difference between those two were only mirrored "splinters" of nose section and tail section. 3. Forward triangle splinter of light green color on 235-5 photo looked very strange, because it doesnot match with 71/72/65 scheme. So, my idead was that it was repainted with 71 after combat damage/during overhowl. Also, green colors look very weared (this Bf110C-1 was build around spring 1939, and in spring 1943 was a really piece of sh#t old aircraft, but upgraded with new engines, MG17 installation and armor for pilot (windglass and armor headplate). 4. Third uppersurface color, I suggested it as italian color, so Verde Oliva Scuro 2 fit well. 5. German markings were roughly overpainted with italian paint. 6. Savoia Cross is painted as on photos of overall-black Bf110C-1 of Italian 1st Nightfighter Test Center.
Zargos Posted December 26, 2015 Posted December 26, 2015 Hello, Skin update : all the modifications suggested by Pierre & Panzerbar are know on the skin : Download : http://www.unbound-frogs.org/zsf/2015/12/24/bf110e-2-7-zg26-3ujr/ 1
Reflected Posted December 26, 2015 Posted December 26, 2015 Zargos, quite frankly, I would rework the upper color. In my opinion it's very bright, and quite dark too. On my screen it looks like a bright orange-brown, whereas it should be a very washed out sandy color.
707shap_Srbin Posted December 26, 2015 Posted December 26, 2015 (edited) I would better call it "interpretations" Edited December 26, 2015 by 1./ZG1_Panzerbar
Reflected Posted December 26, 2015 Posted December 26, 2015 I would better call it "interpretations" 78 79 80.jpg Interpretation is one thing. But a skinner then has to make it look like it's part of the game. Copying a color code never works. I find this the most challenging part of creating a good skin, and it's often the key.
4SCT_Vespa Posted December 26, 2015 Posted December 26, 2015 PAnzerbar...thanks a lot for your great skin. You are right...it's really interesting to discover what's the story behind these few aircrafts...
Zargos Posted December 26, 2015 Posted December 26, 2015 (edited) I agree with you Reflected. But consediring things the way you do, you must admit that the skinner's choice may not match with your expectations or at least that his interpretation shall differ from your's. The color in game depends also of the equipment (graphic card, monitor) and of their tuning. So what's seems perfect for one migth be different for another. Nevertheless, I've tried to change a bit the color of my RLM79 (just less saturation). Looks like that : The result is quite good to my eyes. Just remember that light incidence has an effect on the color. In the same way according the period of the day, the color of the light changes and so the skin color. Edited December 27, 2015 by UF_Zargos
Reflected Posted December 27, 2015 Posted December 27, 2015 Looks definitely better! As you said, the color is the result of many factors. Lightness and saturation depend on all kinds of things, even hue. The best test is - for me - to take a screenshot above the landscape at noon in the summer, and check if it looks out of place, or blends in (and I don't mean the camouflage).
4SCT_Vespa Posted December 27, 2015 Posted December 27, 2015 Outstanding work Zargos ... where can I download latest version? By the way .. a question for PANZERBAR...just for curiosity and interested to understand what was ...what do you think about the italian Bf 110 with under engine cowling bright in my previous image? It looks weird that a nightfighter had a part painted in light ( yellow? gray ? ) Any thought? Thanks 1
707shap_Srbin Posted December 27, 2015 Posted December 27, 2015 Download Ok, 1 more left for ZG26 - Bf110E of Ofw. Schob. Then I'll go for SKG210 1
Zargos Posted December 27, 2015 Posted December 27, 2015 where can I download latest version? It will be soon available on the ZSF site. I'll let you know.
A-E-Hartmann Posted December 28, 2015 Posted December 28, 2015 Download Ok, 1 more left for ZG26 - Bf110E of Ofw. Schob. Then I'll go for SKG210 Very nice .
707shap_Srbin Posted December 28, 2015 Posted December 28, 2015 (edited) Download Edited December 28, 2015 by 1./ZG1_Panzerbar 3
707shap_Srbin Posted December 28, 2015 Posted December 28, 2015 Actually, I want to paint 1 more. But now I have very few information. 1. In front - Bf110E, on background - Bf110D. 2. Spinner tips are red (2./ZG26 or 5./ZG26) or green (Stab I or II./ZG26). But Stab's Bf110's of those Gruppen had 1/3 spinner painted white, and had no colored spinner tips. So, It must be of 2 or 5 Staffel. 3. It is not Stab aircraft, because it has no any chevrons - both Gruppen always used them on all Stab aircrafts. Here is crashlanded Bf110E of Gruppenadjutant of II./ZG26. 4. There are letter (L? A? I?) underwing on one photo. 5. There are no tracers of "Ringelpietz" emblem of I Gruppe or "Holzschuche" emblem of II Gruppe. It is known, that during 1941 on Ostfront, I./ZG26 almost didnt used emblem, and II./ZG26 painted emblems usually. So, it could indicate those a/c from I./ZG26. 6. Otherwise, it is known, that I./ZG26 got solid overall whitewinter camouflage, and II./ZG26 didnt used it at all. So, probably it is temporary winter camouflage of II./ZG26 aircraft, particulary from 5./ZG26. Any ideas? Note: Please not count theese two awfull profiles. It contain TONNNNSSSS of errors and mistakes.
707shap_Srbin Posted December 29, 2015 Posted December 29, 2015 (edited) Download Edited December 29, 2015 by 1./ZG1_Panzerbar
ST_ami7b5 Posted December 29, 2015 Posted December 29, 2015 (edited) Thanks a lot, Panzer. The last one (Franz Smolle) is .tga Edited December 29, 2015 by ST_ami7b5
Hollywood_ Posted December 29, 2015 Posted December 29, 2015 His skins are awesome but I unfortunately stopped downloading them due to historical authenticity (lack of HK)
Swordsman Posted December 29, 2015 Posted December 29, 2015 Yep, I like his skins, but prefer my Luftwaffe skins to be historically accurate.
707shap_Srbin Posted December 29, 2015 Posted December 29, 2015 Guys, I explained this earlier in this thread. Next to follow: S9+AH of Oblt. Schenck S9+IC of Hptm. Kaldrack S9+AN of Ofw. Kutscha S9+GP of Oblt. Tonne
707shap_Srbin Posted December 29, 2015 Posted December 29, 2015 Guys, I have an idea. I accamulated lots of photo material about Bf110E-3's, Aufklarungs (Recconaisance) variant of Bf110E, from various AufklarungsStaffeln. Many interesting camouflages, but my time is limited, so I probably will not be able to paint them. Who can take this job? I'll provide all needed material. For example, 5F+YK of 2.(H)/Aufklärungsgruppe 14(Pz.), early 1942, Afrika.
Zargos Posted December 30, 2015 Posted December 30, 2015 Hi Panzerbar ! I'm OK for making one of them between some Mig's. By the way : I've uploaded the latest version of the 3U+JR with its new RLM79 color : Available here : http://www.unbound-frogs.org/zsf/2015/12/24/bf110e-2-7-zg26-3ujr/ And now, back to the Mig-3 1
A-E-Hartmann Posted December 30, 2015 Posted December 30, 2015 Guys, I have an idea. I accamulated lots of photo material about Bf110E-3's, Aufklarungs (Recconaisance) variant of Bf110E, from various AufklarungsStaffeln. Many interesting camouflages, but my time is limited, so I probably will not be able to paint them. Who can take this job? I'll provide all needed material. For example, 5F+YK of 2.(H)/Aufklärungsgruppe 14(Pz.), early 1942, Afrika. !BdmL8fwBWk~$(KGrHqUH-CMErgW,r!(pBK5lkIEwJg~~_3.JPG ff.jpg I will. I'm on the BF 110 at this time .
xx_GRAF_xx Posted December 31, 2015 Posted December 31, 2015 Just going to throw this out there. Saw my favorite bird is finally apart of Il-2 so decided to work on a template for her. Here is some early work with some different schemes. 7
4SCT_Vespa Posted December 31, 2015 Posted December 31, 2015 They look outstanding GRAF ... so are you re-building panel lines and so on? ... weathering etc?
Cybermat47 Posted December 31, 2015 Posted December 31, 2015 (edited) Would anyone be interested in making this skin? I'd really appreciate it, but I don't mind if no-one's interested. Edited December 31, 2015 by Cybermat47
xx_GRAF_xx Posted December 31, 2015 Posted December 31, 2015 More work to do but heres a sample of the 70/71/65 Splinter scheme. Some minor work to be done to it. 8
Jade_Monkey Posted December 31, 2015 Posted December 31, 2015 (edited) Awesome skins GRAF! Edited December 31, 2015 by Jade_Monkey
Cybermat47 Posted December 31, 2015 Posted December 31, 2015 (edited) GRAF, that is beautiful! Thank you so much Edited December 31, 2015 by Cybermat47
Luger1969 Posted January 1, 2016 Posted January 1, 2016 (edited) Ok, Hartmann, lets look into documents. 26.05.42 8./ZG 26 Bf 110E-2/Trop W.Nr.4419 StKz "SB+GO" Süd, Front Bei Fl.Pl. Derna-Nord, Libyen Flakbeschuß. Bruch 100 %. 26.05.42 8./ZG 26 Bf 110E-2/Trop W.Nr. 4419 Flugzeugführer FSA, unhurt Bordfunker Uffz Hugo Konrad, WiA This two aircrafts were from same party, and we produced as "Trop" version by Muhlenbau-Industrie AG at Braunschweig around summer 1941. Aircrafts had: -uppersurfeses RLM79, undersurfaces RLM78 -spinners in standart RLM70 (note it!) -White fuselage band was applied in factory -engine undercowlings were RLM04 yellow. -WerkNummer was painted in black, small letters above the swastika, on both tail fins. Examples: Bf110E2_3U+OR 0.jpg 3U+MS 2.jpg Some of aircrafts were mottled with olive green RLM80, like this way: Me110-E1-ZG26-22df+s.jpg1436168287__57.jpgGeorg Christl.jpg RLM27 was never used by ZG26 in Afrika. Note, no yellow rudders and engine uppercowling in yellow color. Splendid skinning fellow pilots. A blessed and happy 2016 for all. Panzar looking forward to Skg210. I know you are busy is it perhaps possible to do a mottle (rlm 80) zg26 like the picture left or source it out? Would be much appreciated. Kind regards. Edited January 1, 2016 by Chandalier1969
Trooper117 Posted January 1, 2016 Posted January 1, 2016 Just going to throw this out there. Saw my favorite bird is finally apart of Il-2 so decided to work on a template for her. Here is some early work with some different schemes. Love the top one... excellent stuff! 1
SOLIDKREATE Posted January 2, 2016 Posted January 2, 2016 (edited) 2.NJG3, Rudolf Schönert, D5+AK, W.Nr Unknown, Smolensk, USSR, Feb 1942 - Feb 1943 (One of only three night fighter 110's in the Eastern Front). Fixes: Belly radio antenna color Propeller hub colors Wasserhell temporary finish alignment adjustment. More realistic field applied Wasserhell and outline around numerals and codes and Balkenkrezen. UNCENSORED DOWNLOAD: 2.NJG3_D5+AK v2.0.zip Edited January 2, 2016 by 6./ZG1=SPEKTRE76
707shap_Srbin Posted January 2, 2016 Posted January 2, 2016 Graf, for You and for all mates. RLM 71-70-65 "splinter" / "green" camouflage pattern, based on photos. Markings - early, "1939" variant. RLM 71-02-65 "gray" camouflage pattern, based on photos: Download. Graf: II./ZG76 didnt used yellow engine undersurfaces during Battle of Britain. II./ZG1 didnt used it in USSR also. 1
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