Game for simulationists only?

[Easy_Target]

I mostly played World of Warplanes and some WarThunder. I attempted Cliffs of Dover, but dropped it because I couldn't even figure out how to take off. Not to mention I had no clue on configuring my joystick correctly, and likely missed important stuff.

 

If I get this game, I will pretty much only fly with every helper turned on. If I do so, can I get by with just my Logitech Extreme 3D joystick and maybe 5 or 6 keys on the keyboard, or will I also have to have 30 keys memorized? Also, does the game have presets for all the common joysticks (especially mine)?

 

I don't mind stuff like thrust, flaps, and landing gear, but if I have to watch fuel mixtures, trim, and other minor things, I'll have to pass.

Edited August 28, 2014 by danbuter

[TheBlackPenguin]

You can set it so that all you need to concern yourself with is thrust, flaps and landing gear, but if you're flying a Stuka then you need not even worry about the gear .

[LoneMerc]

You should be fine, has alot of custom settings and aids so you don't need to worry about a lot in order to fly, no presets at this time but joystick config is very easy. You be up and flying in no time.

When you done some flying and missions start to disable one or two aids at a time until you learn it you will be expert in short order, its a lot more fun and rewarding to do it right. As it is now BOS is easier

than the other Sims with full realism on, but not released yet so more is to come.

[FlatSpinMan]

As above. I'd add that mapping controls has a zillion options, but the basics are all you need just to have fun.

[VR-DriftaholiC]

Agreed. Check out SYN_Requiems videos and you'll be a pro in no time. 

[Jaeger55]

CloD is not an entry level flight Sim. There is way too much that needs to be tweeked before you can start the darn engine.

 

So far, BoS has been fairly easy to fly out of the box. What I do is this: Pick a plane, select runway start, take off and then see what needs to be adjusted. I simply pause the game, find them control or view I need and map to a key and then continue to fly.

[=LD=Hethwill]

Given arcadish games may also need dozen of key functions I don't see any difference regarding that.

 

BoS ( CLoD TF and other similar products ) is as functional as other flight games, it is just that the flight and plane mechanics actually work at a simulator level and did not get dumbed down.

 

It only means you will have to learn.

 

Tip: You don't have to monitor and baby the engine at all times. As you progress in learning and getting apt in a plane you will understand and naturally setup your plane for the different flight attitudes, meaning a simple cruise on ingress to a mission will not be the same as you announce engagement. Most likle you will have 3 or 4 setups on your mind, 1 for takeoff, 1 for landing, another for cruise and finally the combat one.

 

There is no need to get scared by all the plane components, you won't touch many of them 90% of the time and learning WHEN to use them is part of the learning curve.

 

Hope you stay around and rise yourself to the occasion.

 

S!

[Johnny_Red]

When we have dedicated servers you'll be limited to single player if you want to play with all aids on. I expect 95% of dedicated servers will turn most of the aids off.

[VBF-12_Stick-95]

I expect some, such as New Wings, to provide new players with servers with easier settings to learn the ropes.

[Johnny_Red]

I expect some, such as New Wings, to provide new players with servers with easier settings to learn the ropes.

He doesn't want to learn the ropes. He's pretty much told us that. I'm all for getting more players to play this game but I think this guy should save his money it's not the game he's looking for. It's a big lay out just to play once

[VBF-12_Stick-95]

He doesn't want to learn the ropes. He's pretty much told us that. I'm all for getting more players to play this game but I think this guy should save his money it's not the game he's looking for. It's a big lay out just to play once

 

Ah, best to wait to see what the single player aspect brings then.

[oneeyeddog]

Danbuter there are several servers and in-game modes you can fly right now that can do most of the engine management stuff for you. Fly those and after a while , if you chose, give the more difficult servers/settings a try. As far as questions about joystick configuration etc just post here and you'll find more than a few people willing to help. 

[Tompa_73]

 

I don't mind stuff like thrust, flaps, and landing gear, but if I have to watch fuel mixtures, trim, and other minor things, I'll have to pass.

 

No you are gonna be fine, even in multiplayer, its very optional.

I fly with autosetting but Im gonna slowly try and learn the rest so I can

fly on expert servers.

[BMA_West]

In servers with "Normal settings" you fly with all major engine management on "Auto".

Taking off and landings in particular need practice but you'll be able to do without by warping in the game with air start, getting out by bailing over friendly territory and survive.

[=LD=Hethwill]

Word of notice, given your named past games, as there is no natural "grind" you will be left hanging in the air with what YOU want to do in the game.

 

If it is instant gratification furballs, well, you find them already in the x1.0 servers. Word of notice, the auto management is not dumb down mechanics and your engine power will be effectively cut off by the auto system... and as murphy's law goes... at the worst moments possible. Also there is no flight aid instructor so be ready to experience enhanced flight attitudes.

 

You WILL want more out of the game, so you will for sure learn all you can so you can jump with squads in Sunday Missions, online Campaigns and so on, where taking off, landing, baby the engine until you are behind your own lines to bail out, and so on are very important.

 

Remember, shooting good is way more important than flying great.

[SharpeXB]

I had exactly the same concern when I bought Rise of Flight years ago. You'll learn. And it will be a more rewarding experience!

[Meng]

I mostly played World of Warplanes and some WarThunder. I attempted Cliffs of Dover, but dropped it because I couldn't even figure out how to take off. Not to mention I had no clue on configuring my joystick correctly, and likely missed important stuff.

 

If I get this game, I will pretty much only fly with every helper turned on. If I do so, can I get by with just my Logitech Extreme 3D joystick and maybe 5 or 6 keys on the keyboard, or will I also have to have 30 keys memorized? Also, does the game have presets for all the common joysticks (especially mine)?

 

I don't mind stuff like thrust, flaps, and landing gear, but if I have to watch fuel mixtures, trim, and other minor things, I'll have to pass.

 

I'm flying with lots of easy options and a joystick like yours.  I have to say, I have almost always flown the sophisticated sims on easy since my aim is to get the feeling of a good flight model without the hassle of knowing what I'm doing.  I haven't tried any of the less detailed FM games like World of warplanes and War Thunder since my aim is to get some idea of what flying these planes was really like rather than shoot down other players.

[Emgy]

I don't mind stuff like thrust, flaps, and landing gear

 

You fly the 109 G-2 on expert settings, the de-rated engine can handle 100% throttle all the time and all engine/cooling functions were automatised in the real plane.

Edited August 28, 2014 by Calvamos

[Rjel]

Some of the advise in this thread is good. Find the sweet spot in BoS that you find comfortable and just get started. It will grow on you and hopefully you can grow into the more difficult settings. But even just flying around sightseeing in the sim by yourself can be enjoyable.

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

Dan,

 

If all goes well and I can recruit some Instructor Pilots, I plan on making a training server. The idea is to have different modes at different hours to train in the basics of flight, basics of teamwork and basics of combat. Certain hours the server will be on the easiest modes for training. Other hours the server will be on Normal mode to put the lessons into practice. I know I am not the only person considering a training server. Jump in, work in the QMB for now, get a wingman and have some fun.

[Johnny_Red]

Will you guys look at his background, the kind of games he plays. WoWP and warthunder. Ok this game isn't a sim as such and it's more on the game side but once he gets in the air he's going to be in trouble.

OP.. taking off is a breeze. It's really not as hard as cliffs of Dover to get your engine running you can basically sit in cockpit view and press auto pilot to start your engine. If you're looking for another WoWP or WT this isn't it. If that's what your really looking for save your money. I take it, due to the games you've mentioned you're more interested in multiplayer. There are normal servers where everything is automatic but once this game is released and there are dedicated servers those automatic servers are going to be few and far between. Most of the populated servers are going to be the ones with engine management. Folk here will tell you to practice practice practice but the price tag means you really have to dedicate yourself to practice practice practice or you've wasted your money. All of us here want this game to succeed and the development to continue but I personally think the folk posting here aren't being fair to you. You will have to learn engine management in the future it's just the way it is.

[Easy_Target]

Word of notice, given your named past games, as there is no natural "grind" you will be left hanging in the air with what YOU want to do in the game.

 

 

This is actually one of the main attractions for me. I hate having to fly planes I don't like for hours just to unlock the plane I really want.

[B12]

Will you guys look at his background, the kind of games he plays. WoWP and warthunder. Ok this game isn't a sim as such and it's more on the game side but once he gets in the air he's going to be in trouble.

OP.. taking off is a breeze. It's really not as hard as cliffs of Dover to get your engine running you can basically sit in cockpit view and press auto pilot to start your engine. If you're looking for another WoWP or WT this isn't it. If that's what your really looking for save your money. I take it, due to the games you've mentioned you're more interested in multiplayer. There are normal servers where everything is automatic but once this game is released and there are dedicated servers those automatic servers are going to be few and far between. Most of the populated servers are going to be the ones with engine management. Folk here will tell you to practice practice practice but the price tag means you really have to dedicate yourself to practice practice practice or you've wasted your money. All of us here want this game to succeed and the development to continue but I personally think the folk posting here aren't being fair to you. You will have to learn engine management in the future it's just the way it is.

 

 

Good to see such straight honesty Johnny, good on you.

 

I've just joined this community too and know fine what I'm getting into (and it looks good) but we should not be enticing guys who play Warthunder and saying its for them purely because it has WW2 aircraft and online dogfights or just to pay to the cause, perhaps when there is an eventual demo to experience first? then Yes.

 

It would be a bit like jumping in the deep end of a pool and not knowing how to swim! At least thats how I hope this sim evolves, make it deep please.

 

Warthunder is fun too BTW, but not what I bought early access for this sim to be, I want more rewarding stuff ... heh.

[Easy_Target]

The solo game is another positive for me. If the campaigns are well done, I would be quite happy just doing them. I'm hoping there will be a lot of different scenarios.

 

Multiplayer is fun, but if the AI is good enough, I can easily kill months just doing a well-scripted campaign.

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

I completely disagree with the above two posts. Online MP in the Expert servers will be challenging and not for the beginner. However, the game, particularly offline, is completely scalable to any individual's skill level with at least a basic understanding of flight dynamics.

[Johnny_Red]

The solo game is another positive for me. If the campaigns are well done, I would be quite happy just doing them. I'm hoping there will be a lot of different scenarios.

 

Multiplayer is fun, but if the AI is good enough, I can easily kill months just doing a well-scripted campaign.

Well that's a different matter I'm sure campaigns will come eventually. The ai at the moment is good for fighters. Bombers will try to dogfight at the moment but I'm sure that's being worked on. It's still early access and the game isn't complete but it sounds like you will have fun with this game when it's finished

[B12]

I completely disagree with the above two posts. Online MP in the Expert servers will be challenging and not for the beginner. However, the game, particularly offline, is completely scalable to any individual's skill level with at least a basic understanding of flight dynamics.

 

I hope that is true as well of course, options are always good.

 

and Oh please a good campaign.

Edited August 29, 2014 by Katana1000S

[Valok]

Here are the settings you can set up before you start flying.

 

 

As you can see, it can make things fairly easy. So, as long as you don't mind avoiding some online servers in the beginning I'd say go foward. You can easily start flying with everything turned on, and after a while if you want, you can start turning some things off.

 

When it comes to amount of keys needed.. I have 1 crappy joystick and that's it (my TrackIR 5 will arrive today though, horray!). Doing the math here and in order to fly on Expert server's I need the joystick (4 buttons) + 11 keys (A,D,S,W,F,Shift+F,1,2,Q,E,X) - as you can see they are all grouped together. After a day or so I had no problems remembering what did what. (I'm a German fanboy though so 95% of my flight time is on the Bf 109, where some stuff on the plane is automatic by default. If you intend to fly on the Russian side you'll need to add a few more keys to the list I believe.)

Edited August 29, 2014 by Valok

[Fliegel]

I tried WoWp and fly hundreds hour in WT, mostly arcade mod.

So when I bought this game and pray to be able to start engine at least.

 

It turned out, that on normal, you only need basic control. To be honest, I rarely use flaps.

 

Though I want to improve and learn all the stuff, you can play normal multiplayer just with joystick and throttle control for the start.

[=LD=Hethwill]

This is actually one of the main attractions for me. I hate having to fly planes I don't like for hours just to unlock the plane I really want.

 

That is a good start then. One of the most rewarding part of FSims is the social aspect of it.

 

Hoping to see your silver or gold badge soon. 

[Mac_Messer]

Is it doable to fly this game without TrackIR? Are the viewing controls organised similarly  to old IL2?

[MarcoRossolini]

I'm having no problems without TrackIR...

[Dakpilot]

Is it doable to fly this game without TrackIR? Are the viewing controls organised similarly  to old IL2?

 

Suggest you download Rise of Flight...it is free and will give you a good understanding of mechanics of BoS

 

Cheers Dakpilot

[Matt]

This might help.