HagarTheHorrible Posted August 25, 2014 Posted August 25, 2014 I am trying to get better, honestly. http://www.polygon.com/2014/8/19/6002893/plague-of-game-dev-harassment-one-year-later ....and I thought it was just us irritaiting know it all's who gave game developers a hard time. 1
Leaf Posted August 25, 2014 Posted August 25, 2014 (edited) I am trying to get better, honestly. LOL http://www.polygon.com/2014/8/19/6002893/plague-of-game-dev-harassment-one-year-later ....and I thought it was just us irritaiting know it all's who gave game developers a hard time. I think there was only one culprit who actually took criticising to "harassment" level. And I'm glad to say that on this forum everyone is very open and friendly. Composed mainly of adults, too, which helps. Steam forums a week ago was a different story. Edited August 25, 2014 by LeafyPredicament
mudpuppy Posted August 25, 2014 Posted August 25, 2014 Interesting article, thanks for posting. Reminds me of another recent story about the online harassment of female authors, bloggers, etc in online communities. I just don't understand it.
MiG21bisFishbedL Posted August 25, 2014 Posted August 25, 2014 Interesting article, thanks for posting. Reminds me of another recent story about the online harassment of female authors, bloggers, etc in online communities. I just don't understand it.15 year olds + the internet * Click-hungry journalists that lack any shred if integrity. It's a pretty simple formula. Kotaku, Polygon, RPS, Destructoid? All sites worth avoiding since they relish these sort of things. 1
mudpuppy Posted August 25, 2014 Posted August 25, 2014 It's a pretty simple formula. Agreed. You can post or message the wildest, most outlandish, vitriolic rant and there are virtually no consequences. The anonymity and apparently a complete absence of repercussions encourages and reinforces this kind of bad behavior. Eh, I'm sounding like an curmudgeon so I best stop. 1
Jason_Williams Posted August 25, 2014 Posted August 25, 2014 I've been harassed and threatened with violence. It's a real thing. Jason 1
Leaf Posted August 25, 2014 Posted August 25, 2014 I've been harassed and threatened with violence. It's a real thing. Jason But...why? I mean, what did you do wrong that would cause such a reaction? I just can't understand.
oneeyeddog Posted August 25, 2014 Posted August 25, 2014 I've been harassed and threatened with violence. It's a real thing. Jason Thats just mind boggling and I'm sorry for that. I wonder how these same people react when they purchase a dishwasher, lawnmower or Satellite TV service ( the cord on this toaster doesn't reach my electrical outlet!!) or how they would feel if every decision or task they did at THEIR job was scrutinized and criticized in a public Forum.
DD_bongodriver Posted August 25, 2014 Posted August 25, 2014 its the jelousy of the creativity Oh god, we can all see where this is going.
MiG21bisFishbedL Posted August 25, 2014 Posted August 25, 2014 Its stuff like this, and in the original article, that make me embarrassed to say I'm 'a gamer' I just don't understand the mentality, you don't hear about authors, musicians, film-makers etc being threatened with violence. These are mediums that reached their "maturity" without the presence of the internet and the anonymity it affords. Though, I'm sure they *do* receive it because people are silly.
mudpuppy Posted August 25, 2014 Posted August 25, 2014 Jason, I hate to hear that. Its sad that I'm not really surprised. I've been a psych nurse for over 20 years and have my share of threats over the years and it was an uncomfortable feeling with a few of them. But at least, I had seen the person. I'm sure you've got it all in hand but really just wanted to let you know that folks in the community with at least half a brain are with you. Derek
JimTM Posted August 25, 2014 Posted August 25, 2014 I'm sure you've got it all in hand but really just wanted to let you know that folks in the community with at least half a brain are with you. Derek +1
Jason_Williams Posted August 25, 2014 Posted August 25, 2014 Thanks guys for the support. I can't comment on what happened, but it wasn't anything I did, more like what I did not do. Precautions have been taken for a long time on my side. There are a couple unhinged people among us in the sim and gaming community so that article posted above hits home for me. Jason 1
DD_bongodriver Posted August 25, 2014 Posted August 25, 2014 Makes you wonder what the community put Luthier through. 1
SOLIDKREATE Posted August 25, 2014 Posted August 25, 2014 (edited) I've been harassed and threatened with violence. It's a real thing. Jason That is just plain stupid. I can't imagine someone so intellectually challenged as to think that would get them what they want. You guys are are nerds just like we are. Yes, you have a gift and skill set that allows you create stuff that we all like but that doesn't warrant the negativity I see towards developers. The internet is a faceless villain and people know it so become armchair gangsters. In reality they are mostly the type of person to act like this kid: !!!! WARNING VIDEO BELOW IS NOT SAFE FOR WORK !!!! - Watch this at home https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EglOsfErtaE Thats just mind boggling and I'm sorry for that. I wonder how these same people react when they purchase a dishwasher, lawnmower or Satellite TV service ( the cord on this toaster doesn't reach my electrical outlet!!) or how they would feel if every decision or task they did at THEIR job was scrutinized and criticized in a public Forum. LMAO! Edited August 25, 2014 by KOTP_SPEKTRE76
Johnny_Red Posted August 26, 2014 Posted August 26, 2014 In the old days there were no betas no early buy ins, games were released as finished products. The trend now is to ask the customers to finance the development of games with early access and betas as well as kickstarters. Threats of violence and incessant whining of "fix this, fix that, when's it going to be finished" are of course extreme. Developers cannot vet their backers and those folk who have no patience and think their entitlement alone will speed the development process along are going to get involved. It's the modern world. It's a sad fact of the modern world that you're going to need a thick skin if you're going to invite the public into your early access/betas for a price.
FuriousMeow Posted August 26, 2014 Posted August 26, 2014 The old days had internet that cost by the hour, and online games also cost by the hour, which attracted a different, far more emotionally and mentally stable, breed. There were some instances of petty, irrational, and psychotic behavior but not on such a high level as today with cheap internet and online titles with no monthly fee. Just because someone paid money to get into early access, which costs less than buying later when the titles are mostly complete, does not give anyone any right to act like a neurotic, self centered, mentally unhinged, and emotionally stunted colossal Dick face to those who develop games. 1
Rjel Posted August 26, 2014 Posted August 26, 2014 This isn't anything new really. Before the internet, there were people who got their kicks harassing others with their telephone. I'm sure it goes back as far as there were people. I'm not sure if there are more idiots out there percentage wise or if it's because the worlds population is so much larger. The U.S. population has nearly doubled in my lifetime. That alone means there are a lot more chances of crossing paths with some nut.
Jason_Williams Posted August 26, 2014 Posted August 26, 2014 In the old days there were no betas no early buy ins, games were released as finished products. The trend now is to ask the customers to finance the development of games with early access and betas as well as kickstarters. Threats of violence and incessant whining of "fix this, fix that, when's it going to be finished" are of course extreme. Developers cannot vet their backers and those folk who have no patience and think their entitlement alone will speed the development process along are going to get involved. It's the modern world. It's a sad fact of the modern world that you're going to need a thick skin if you're going to invite the public into your early access/betas for a price. Ummm....early access and selling betas is not usually a fundraising exercise to finish a product. It stems from the ability for almost instant access via better distribution technology which has increased competition. All major games that offer some kind of early access are doing so for marketing and competitive reasons. They almost always have enough funding to make the product upfront, but choose the early access for other reasons besides raising needed funds. In our case it was for competitive reasons and giving the genre something to root for instead of waiting years and years for a game that may or may not work. Crowd-funding a la Kickstarter and the like are a different story of course. Jason
II/JG17_HerrMurf Posted August 26, 2014 Posted August 26, 2014 Think of it more like a startup. There are investors and funding up front for those as well. We are really just customers who got in on the ground floor.
SOLIDKREATE Posted August 26, 2014 Posted August 26, 2014 That video has to be put on. LOL Jason Oh it's definitely staged but hilarious none the less.
MiG21bisFishbedL Posted August 26, 2014 Posted August 26, 2014 Makes you wonder what the community put Luthier through. I'm conjuring up images of the Spanish Inquisition.
5th-GIAP_Sytov Posted August 26, 2014 Posted August 26, 2014 I've been harassed and threatened with violence. It's a real thing. Jason Jason, People who make these sorts of threats are just a bunch of introvert computer geek nerds. Seriously, if anyone were to come after you in real life, just beat their ass. Real simple solution.
1CGS LukeFF Posted August 26, 2014 1CGS Posted August 26, 2014 Jason, People who make these sorts of threats are just a bunch of introvert computer geek nerds. Seriously, if anyone were to come after you in real life, just beat their ass. Real simple solution. Jason sics his fierce pug guard dog on people that threaten him.
johncage Posted August 26, 2014 Posted August 26, 2014 autistic people with poor anger management are a real thing. also, the cult of victimhood is a real thing that devs themselves sometimes foster and cultivate to the point that it turns on them. see bioware/mass effect/dragon age/homosexuality fiasco
MiG21bisFishbedL Posted August 26, 2014 Posted August 26, 2014 autistic people with poor anger management are a real thing. also, the cult of victimhood is a real thing that devs themselves sometimes foster and cultivate to the point that it turns on them. see bioware/mass effect/dragon age/homosexuality fiasco And an agenda-driven pack of failure journalists to capitalize on it. I can't see these guys running a story on any threats JW's gotten, though. And, they didn't even give that much attention to Bethesda when nerds from NMA were sending them death threats over Fallout 3.
Emgy Posted August 26, 2014 Posted August 26, 2014 Agenda? What's wrong with exposing game dev harrassment?
Jason_Williams Posted August 26, 2014 Posted August 26, 2014 Ok this topic will spin out of control so locking it. Just be civil to one another and there will be no need for topics like this. Jason
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