Bomber blues

[HagarTheHorrible]

Why is it that, on-line, people flying bombers have a nasty habit of ignoring other bombers, putting the pedal to the metal and flying solo ?

 

Surely half the fun of flying bombers is to form up and fly with one, maybe even two, other aircraft, in formation, both for self preservation and the challenge of trying to fly a co-ordinated mutually supportive close formation ?

 

If a bomber is following chop throttle and let the poor beggar close up, not only is it neigh on impossible to catch the aircraft in front if it is flying full pelt but even if the lead aircraft is flying at slightly reduced throttle it can be challenging for following aircraft to keep up.  It should be a lead bombers job to make sure that nobody is abandoned, even if that means flying at 250 knots rather than 350.

 

 

[Meteor2]

So true.

And when the fighters have the discipline in trying to protect the "Moebelwagen", then we will have a chance to reach targets....

[Bullets]

I always fly along with a bomber If I see it taking off, formation flying is not only fun its a nice sight and challenge! 

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

Conversely,

 

As an escort fighter I see an awful lot of bombers flying directly to the target. Even if successful (rarely) they will have to make a turn for home which allows the enemy CAP to intercept them twice. Make an end run, get A LOT more altitude, attack from the rear and fly directly home instead if directly to the target. Particularly on small maps. Everyone needs to get on Teamspeak too. I defend you guys when I can but you often make it hard on us to help you as well.

Edited August 24, 2014 by A1FltTrn=HerrMurf

[71st_AH_Hooves]

Teamspeak. Thats all im sayin.

[Chuck_Owl]

Why is it that, on-line, people flying bombers have a nasty habit of ignoring other bombers, putting the pedal to the metal and flying solo ?

 

Surely half the fun of flying bombers is to form up and fly with one, maybe even two, other aircraft, in formation, both for self preservation and the challenge of trying to fly a co-ordinated mutually supportive close formation ?

 

If a bomber is following chop throttle and let the poor beggar close up, not only is it neigh on impossible to catch the aircraft in front if it is flying full pelt but even if the lead aircraft is flying at slightly reduced throttle it can be challenging for following aircraft to keep up.  It should be a lead bombers job to make sure that nobody is abandoned, even if that means flying at 250 knots rather than 350.

 

I think once the no-autobalance servers are back up, you'll see much more bomber guys winging up together and escorts providing protection. If you ever need protection in a bomber or need an extra bomber pilot, just hit me up on teamspeak if you see me.

 

In current servers, my experience has been to see very few people on teamspeak and everyone doing their own thing.

Edited August 24, 2014 by 71st_AH_Chuck

[IIN8II]

TS is the only real way to coordinate that kind of play.

[HagarTheHorrible]

While I agree TS is the best way to go, it still surprises me that if a couple of bombers spawn in, on an airfield, or in the air together, they don't try and fly together.  You often find that one, or both will just plain ignore each other, or if one seems to try following another the front aircraft makes absolutely no allowance for the other bomber to form up. I just imagined it would all be part of the joy of flying, what can otherwise often be little more than fighter food.  At least do something fun and challenging before you die in flames other than bombing spawning in aircraft.

[Tompa_73]

Why is it that, on-line, people flying bombers have a nasty habit of ignoring other bombers, putting the pedal to the metal and flying solo ?

 

 

Griefing, I gut gunned down today by the MG in the other team plane behind me!

 

Also, can you disable people flying as MG in your plane, people get in, waste all ammo and then get out.

Makes it really fun facing all the fighters later on...

 

Makes me stressed out having someone in the plane, I dont mind circling around for 20 min to get higher attitude

but thats gotta be pretty dull for the mg, so now I just fly straight into the mess on low attitude.

[LoneMerc]

I see it to, and it is lack of proper communication and getting on TS is best. Also I see alot of suicide bombing going directly to the target low level and right threw the fighter furball that is always there.

 

No matter in a Stuka or HE111 or any bomber I fly a alt route to gain altitude and line up for a bomb run. I take the long way around this can take time and boring for less than dedicated bomber pilots and gunners but I tell ya its alot of fun the unknown of perhaps being spotted along the way to your target. Since I pick my own targets andI do a proper approach 9 out of 10 I complete my bomb run and head for home, if I make it home is another story with the flak and again enemy fighters.  

 

HagertheHorrible, we need to get together for some bomb runs!  PM me. Anyone else what to try do it right PM me as well!

 

 

Sturmnoob,

 

While in flight or on runway hit ESC for menu will see gunner stations and LOCK them.

Edited August 24, 2014 by LoneMerc

[Half-DevilPorkChop]

Plus you get better rear gun coverage in formation.

[Pharoah]

Unfortunately, unless you're in a squad or on TS, most guys will just go solo. If you're playing on the expert server, you don't get the external view and will rarely look back. I took off in my IL2 right after another IL2 and did my best to chase him so we could fly formation for the benefits....but he just kept going. In the end we both got picked off individually by fighters. 

[RainMan]

I really hope there will be coop online missions soon, e.g. players vs. AI (or PVE), where real Kampfverbaende can form up and fly to the target, including fighter cover. 

[VR-DriftaholiC]

I always try to fly formation regardless of what I'm in. I swear half the time people start looping with me like I'm trying to shoot them down 

[FuriousMeow]

I really hope there will be coop online missions soon, e.g. players vs. AI (or PVE), where real Kampfverbaende can form up and fly to the target, including fighter cover. 

 

I've already done that without the game forcing me to. It is totally feasible to do so, just need a couple of players that are willing to join you.

 

That is one of the things about air combat sims that is completely different, and depressingly sad, from just about every other title out there. This is the only genre where people think a mission format is the only way, and is a steadfast requirement, for individuals to come together for a similiar cause - either to wing up together in fighters for a sweep, or a Jabo, or to get a flight of bombers to work together and bomb a target. I actually take that back, I've been online in MMP air combat titles since the first Confirmed Kill (before WarBirds) and I could always find individuals willing to wing with me to do fighter sweeps, hit ground targets, go in with fighter-bombers to take out armor or a field, or go up with some heavies and bomb the crap out of a field with fighter escort.

 

It seems the Il-2 nomenclature titles are the only ones that suffer from this bizarre need to be told what to do to do it, and it only seems to be some people that need this to be done. I'll put Hooves on the spot, he organized a quick bomber mission a few weeks ago (I don't have a lot of time to play, otherwise I'm sure I'd have more stories of this nature) to bomb a target. It took approximately 5 minutes from idea to execution with 4 (5?) people coming together for the common goal. It required someone with an idea, a couple of players willing to do it, TeamSpeak, and instant bomber mission. I'm sure we could have had fighter escort if we had asked, but it is still early access so full missions with escort and full on flight plans shouldn't even be hoped to be accomplished until a few months, or more, after the title is offically released.

 

There is no need for coop to execute these missions, none at all.

Edited August 25, 2014 by FuriousMeow

[PantsPilot]

Why is it that, on-line, people flying bombers have a nasty habit of ignoring other bombers, putting the pedal to the metal and flying solo ?

 

Surely half the fun of flying bombers is to form up and fly with one, maybe even two, other aircraft, in formation, both for self preservation and the challenge of trying to fly a co-ordinated mutually supportive close formation ?

 

If a bomber is following chop throttle and let the poor beggar close up, not only is it neigh on impossible to catch the aircraft in front if it is flying full pelt but even if the lead aircraft is flying at slightly reduced throttle it can be challenging for following aircraft to keep up.  It should be a lead bombers job to make sure that nobody is abandoned, even if that means flying at 250 knots rather than 350.

 

This sums up one of the main reasons I don't fly online because the servers are full of individuals out to win on their own. It's slightly bearable in fighter on fighter combat, but when flying ground attack aircraft or bombers it ruins immersion. Give me a well scripted ai researched by good devs and I'm happy.

Edited August 25, 2014 by PantsPilot

[Tompa_73]

 

Sturmnoob,

 

While in flight or on runway hit ESC for menu will see gunner stations and LOCK them.

ahh, thank you, saved my day.

[BraveSirRobin]

This sums up one of the main reasons I don't fly online because the servers are full of individuals out to win on their own. It's slightly bearable in fighter on fighter combat, but when flying ground attack aircraft or bombers it ruins immersion. Give me a well scripted ai researched by good devs and I'm happy.

 

Why do people who don't play MP always feel obligated to tell the world why they don't play MP?

[Gambit21]

Why do people who don't play MP always feel obligated to tell the world why they don't play MP?

To be fair I've seen plenty of MP only guys do the same thing many times.

The reason is that the same subjects come up over and over again on these forums, and spark the same conversations.

 

I for one can't relate to limiting myself t one or the other - they both offer something the other doesn't.

[Brano]

I think that coops were fine from one simple reason.Mission was started when all positions were manned or when creator has decided "OK,no more passangers,lets go" You had time to check what is the composition of your flight,who is in first bomber,who is second etc.You started all together as you should in real life.With massive Hyperlobby comunity there was no problem with excessive waiting times.And when you died during mission,well,you just moved out and looked for another coop in the list.Or hit the fridge for beer and wait for others to finish mission.

And personally,when dedicated servers will be available to run for wide public,you wont see me in meatgrinder pew-pew fastfood servers very often.I will fly with dedicated group of friends,PvE mostly,as there is where reenactment comes to life.

When alone,Syndicate server will be my choice,for sure.

[keeno]

HI all,

 

I consider myself a better bomber pilot than fighter pilot and there's nothing I enjoy more than loading up a Pe2 or Lagg5 with some mud movers and skimming the tree tops to pound an enemy airfield especially if I can catch a 109 or 190 in the process. But...... If we could get a couple of He111's together then we could really make them suffer!!!!!

 

TS is the way to go, so far it's lone guys who don't even get close. I want to get back home and land (alive) as much as I want to hit the target. it adds to the realism, for me anyways.

 

Cheers.

[Gambit21]

I think that coops were fine from one simple reason.Mission was started when all positions were manned or when creator has decided "OK,no more passangers,lets go" You had time to check what is the composition of your flight,who is in first bomber,who is second etc.You started all together as you should in real life.With massive Hyperlobby comunity there was no problem with excessive waiting times.And when you died during mission,well,you just moved out and looked for another coop in the list.Or hit the fridge for beer and wait for others to finish mission.

And personally,when dedicated servers will be available to run for wide public,you wont see me in meatgrinder pew-pew fastfood servers very often.I will fly with dedicated group of friends,PvE mostly,as there is where reenactment comes to life.

When alone,Syndicate server will be my choice,for sure.

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