Bussard_x Posted August 23, 2014 Posted August 23, 2014 Possible aircraft add on that were there in numbers or played a vital role during battle of Stalingrad Ju 52 Ju 86 considerable numbers in transport role, obsolete but back in service for the air bridge Ju 88 Bf 110 Fw 189 Fieseler Storch Yak-7 Boston IL-4 U-2 Li-2 Italian aircraft were present by not more than 100 aircraft of 6 different types. Land lease aircraft like Hurricane, P39, P40 were present in small numbers.
DD_Arthur Posted August 23, 2014 Posted August 23, 2014 Hmmm....I'll have the Boston, the Yak 7, the P39, Bf110, JU-88 and a map without snow. $50 - 60? Yeah, thats cool.
II/JG17_HerrMurf Posted August 23, 2014 Posted August 23, 2014 Ju88 would be the first bomber I'd care to fly on this front. P39 the first soviet fighter I'd like to fly.
Finkeren Posted August 23, 2014 Posted August 23, 2014 Add to that LaGG-3 series 35 standard, Yak-1B or 9 (both on combat trials over Stalingrad), a He 177 and a Bf 109E jabo and I think we've pretty much covered this battle.
SCG_Neun Posted August 23, 2014 Posted August 23, 2014 Add to that LaGG-3 series 35 standard, Yak-1B or 9 (both on combat trials over Stalingrad), a He 177 and a Bf 109E jabo and I think we've pretty much covered this battle. At just a sprinkle of static JU-52's to set the atmosphere.....
Finkeren Posted August 23, 2014 Posted August 23, 2014 Heck no! I want flyable Tante Jus! I meant my list in addition to those mentioned so far.
Finkeren Posted August 23, 2014 Posted August 23, 2014 Stick FW-200 on list too Was it there? I've seen conflicting statements there. It makes sense for the airlift though.
sop Posted August 23, 2014 Posted August 23, 2014 From what I've read, they were some (no idea on numbers) used from mid January.
Livai Posted August 23, 2014 Posted August 23, 2014 Its time to bring it back my good old thread called " Planes over Stalingrad ------> confirmed Informations " where is a huge list of planes that take part over Stalingrad. http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/1318-planes-over-stalingrad-confirmed-informations/ The Germans have the He-111 and VVS could have the Pe-8. There are so many planes. A updated Yak-9, for example. Just read my old thread.
Alibaba Posted August 23, 2014 Posted August 23, 2014 (edited) JUST ____ He 177 Edited August 23, 2014 by Alibaba
Sim Posted August 23, 2014 Posted August 23, 2014 (edited) The missing Axis parts: - Ju 52 of course, there were so many of them, the battle will never never feel right without this plane. - Ju 88 of course! - Hs 129B-1/2 and Bf 109E-7/U2 and Hs 123 for the Schlachtgeschwader 1, as the unit can't even be represented in game right now with existing planeset. - Bf 110, although there were not that many of them in Stalingrad.. - Fw 189 for recon squadrons. - Bf 109 E-3 to represent Rumanian Grupul 7 Vânătoare squadron. - I.A.R. 80B and I.A.R. 81 for other Rumanian squadrons. - SM.79 for Rumanian Bomber squadrons. - Fiat BR. 20M for Italian transport squadron. Edited August 23, 2014 by Sim
Finkeren Posted August 23, 2014 Posted August 23, 2014 The missing Axis parts: - Ju 52 of course, there were so many of them, the battle will never never feel right without this plane. - Ju 88 of course! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8u7px_GzWQ
II./JG53Lutzow_z06z33 Posted August 23, 2014 Posted August 23, 2014 I want to fly supply and paradrop missions in multiplayer in the JU-52 it'd be epic! and structure the mission so the fighters would actually have to protect the JU-52's and some people would actually have to fly them.
Trinkof Posted August 23, 2014 Posted August 23, 2014 I would personaly LOVE to see these one : -Yak 9 (been tested on Stalingrad if I am correct)-IAR 80 (I really "crave" to see this one with THAT LOOK ! )-Bf 110-P39 , even if we know they were not on Stalingrad
Feathered_IV Posted August 24, 2014 Posted August 24, 2014 I want to fly supply and paradrop missions in multiplayer in the JU-52 it'd be epic! and structure the mission so the fighters would actually have to protect the JU-52's and some people would actually have to fly them. It would be an interesting game mechanic if the loss of each Ju-52 online caused say, a 2% reduction in accrued points for each person flying a friendly fighter. 1
JG4_dingsda Posted August 24, 2014 Posted August 24, 2014 The missing Axis parts: - Ju 52 of course, there were so many of them, the battle will never never feel right without this plane. - Ju 88 of course! - Hs 129B-1/2 and Bf 109E-7/U2 and Hs 123 for the Schlachtgeschwader 1, as the unit can't even be represented in game right now with existing planeset. - Bf 110, although there were not that many of them in Stalingrad.. - Fw 189 for recon squadrons. - Bf 109 E-3 to represent Rumanian Grupul 7 Vânătoare squadron. - I.A.R. 80B and I.A.R. 81 for other Rumanian squadrons. - SM.79 for Rumanian Bomber squadrons. - Fiat BR. 20M for Italian transport squadron. - Fi 156
Livai Posted August 24, 2014 Posted August 24, 2014 -P39 , even if we know they were not on Stalingrad This news paper shows a different story about the P-39 http://www.ebay.de/itm/1943-OLD-MAGAZINE-PRINT-AD-VINCO-P-39-FIGHTERS-OVER-STALINGRAD-AIR-WAR-ART-/290482746335?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item43a21ef3df And this Informations "The majority of American Airacobras reached the Soviet Union from the south, via Teheran. In November 1942 the 25th ZAP was set up at Aji-Kabul in Azerbaijan. Aircraft were assembled at Abadan, before being ferried to Aji-Kabul where they were given to their eventual end users. The P-39 would be at its most effective on the southern fronts, where it would be used by Grigori Rechkalov and Aleksandr Poykryshikin, the 2nd and 3rd ranked Soviet Aces. A limited number of aircraft probably fought at Stalingrad, but they rose to real prominence in the post-Stalingrad battle of the Kuban River." http://www.historyofwar.org/articles/weapons_P-39_Airacobra_Soviet.html - Bf 109 E-3 to represent Rumanian Grupul 7 Vânătoare squadron. - Bf 109 E-7
1CGS LukeFF Posted August 25, 2014 1CGS Posted August 25, 2014 This news paper shows a different story about the P-39 http://www.ebay.de/itm/1943-OLD-MAGAZINE-PRINT-AD-VINCO-P-39-FIGHTERS-OVER-STALINGRAD-AIR-WAR-ART-/290482746335?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item43a21ef3df And this Informations "The majority of American Airacobras reached the Soviet Union from the south, via Teheran. In November 1942 the 25th ZAP was set up at Aji-Kabul in Azerbaijan. Aircraft were assembled at Abadan, before being ferried to Aji-Kabul where they were given to their eventual end users. The P-39 would be at its most effective on the southern fronts, where it would be used by Grigori Rechkalov and Aleksandr Poykryshikin, the 2nd and 3rd ranked Soviet Aces. A limited number of aircraft probably fought at Stalingrad, but they rose to real prominence in the post-Stalingrad battle of the Kuban River." http://www.historyofwar.org/articles/weapons_P-39_Airacobra_Soviet.html Eh, that's not really a strong argument for the P-39 being at Stalingrad. Bergstrom has a really good list of the Soviet aircraft at Stalingrad in the November - December timeframe in Stalingrad: The Air Battle, and there are 0 P-39s in the list. 1
FuriousMeow Posted August 25, 2014 Posted August 25, 2014 Eh, that's not really a strong argument for the P-39 being at Stalingrad. Bergstrom has a really good list of the Soviet aircraft at Stalingrad in the November - December timeframe in Stalingrad: The Air Battle, and there are 0 P-39s in the list. Yeah, I'd love a P-39 but I just didn't see any good evidence that any were at Stalingrad. I wish there were, but unfortunately the closest they got to Stalingrad was possibly a replacement part passing near the Stalingrad airspace.
Pharoah Posted August 25, 2014 Posted August 25, 2014 I know lots of peeps want the JU52 but would it get used all that often? I mean, IL2 I'm assuming is going to be primarily online based with most players jumping into MEs, LAGGs, etc..anyone jumping into JU52s on the smallish maps that are represented here in BOS would be cannon fodder. Don't get me wrong...I love more variety, etc...just thinking of long term playability online even if you stick an MG42 on the back. You'd be every fighter pilots' wet dream!! Anyway, just my $0.02 worth.
6./ZG26_5tuka Posted August 25, 2014 Posted August 25, 2014 If we get bigger maps in future (Stalingrad is actually big enought in my opinion) with the ability to drop paratroopers to cp cities / airfields or to supply troops at a vertain position I see no point in not introducing transport aircraft. It could give us a very different alternative to fighter and bomber combat while having it's own difficulty unlike flying from A to B and you're done. I can imagine this to grow into a fun gameplay element similar to RoF artillery spotting or reconnisence missions. As it was also used as a "Behelfsbomber" in early war stages it could also have th ability to be fitted with bombs (which would make it a perfect counterpart to the Li-2, which was also pressed into a light bomber role). Ju 86 sounds very interesting, I assume only the Ju 86 P were used at Stalingrad? Would be nice to have this plane feautured as a flyable even though it's as ancient as the Tante Ju. In my opinion it should also be equipable wiht bombs though to provide more ingame variety, even if it was largely replace in it's bomber role by that time.
Pharoah Posted August 25, 2014 Posted August 25, 2014 Sorry, what I forgot to add (I missed my own point! lol) was that, i'd rather the Devs include JU52s as AI only at this stage, and invest their limited resources (time/hours/etc) into additional a/c such as say the P39 or JU-88 or Me-110.
Jonesy666 Posted August 25, 2014 Posted August 25, 2014 Does anyone know if G-6s fought during the stalingrad campaign?
PantsPilot Posted August 25, 2014 Posted August 25, 2014 He-he not finished yet and we're already adding new aircraft! I'd certainly pay for any on that list! Benz you forgot a very interesting Luftwaffe bird that served in small numbers, but played a noteworthy role in the latter stages of Stalingrad; the Hs-129. They took part in the battle with 6. and 7./SchG 1. A total of around 25 in total (not all serviceable - around 11) which including 1 or 2 left-over Hs-123's. When the Soviet pincer began to close, the small force of Hs-129's saw quite a lot of anti-tank combat to try and slowdown the enemy advance.
PantsPilot Posted August 25, 2014 Posted August 25, 2014 Was it there? I've seen conflicting statements there. It makes sense for the airlift though. Yes there is a photo of a crashed Fw-200 in "Stalingrad, the air battle 1942-January 1943" by Christer Bergstrom. They served with KGrzbV 200; between 10-31 January this unit lost a total of 8 Condors. There is also a photo of a Ju-290 too, and BV 138's serving with 3./SAGr 125 are listed in the OB. but these are all marginal aircraft in reality and hardly worth the effort of producing on the part of the devs, mind you if they did I'd buy em!! I'd really recommend this volume, in fact the whole set of 4 if you can stretch to them.
Leaf Posted August 25, 2014 Posted August 25, 2014 (edited) Wasn't the Bf 109 G6 introduced in February '43? Well, a bit late for Stalingrad, but still, pleeeease can we have it? Edited August 25, 2014 by LeafyPredicament
SYN_Ricky Posted August 25, 2014 Posted August 25, 2014 IIRC the first G-6s arrived on the eastern just before Citadel. 1
Sim Posted August 25, 2014 Posted August 25, 2014 Does anyone know if G-6s fought during the stalingrad campaign? AFAIK - no. Only some G-4s were operational with JG 3. 1
PantsPilot Posted August 25, 2014 Posted August 25, 2014 I've got a sneaky suspicion that the devs will hold back on the Bf-109G6 until they do a possible Kursk campaign; when you look at what we've got in this game then Kursk would be quite easy to do - we've already got the Ju87G and Pe-2 along with the He-111 and La-5 which could easily be upgraded to the La-5FN. Ditto with the 109 and 190. Yak-1 can be upgraded to Yak 7 quite easily too. Ground wise many of the tanks and vehicles are already in place. Be nice to fly in some summer weather for a change! 1
II/JG17_HerrMurf Posted August 25, 2014 Posted August 25, 2014 Sorry, what I forgot to add (I missed my own point! lol) was that, i'd rather the Devs include JU52s as AI only at this stage, and invest their limited resources (time/hours/etc) into additional a/c such as say the P39 or JU-88 or Me-110. Creating an AI plane does not require significantly less Dev time than a flyable one does. They have already stated they plan on making only flyable aircraft with high fidelity. So, probably, either they make it or they don't. No half @##ing it.
Brano Posted August 25, 2014 Posted August 25, 2014 Why Kursk? Such dull combat zone.Damn hot midsummer over empty steppe full of dust and dirt...Kuban,my comrades,that is the choice for my Xmas present package.Black see shores,Kaukaz mountains,airacobras...what else would you like to have? Pilot´s dream area of operations 1
PantsPilot Posted August 25, 2014 Posted August 25, 2014 They could do Kursk and Kuban as far as I'm concerned! Why settle for only one? Why Kursk? Well it was on a massive scale both on the ground and in the air, and the final German offensive of WW2, it's a battle that is an icon to this day, it also saw the use of radical anti-tank tactics; Ju-87G's, Hs-129's big game hunting with big guns, and huge swirling dogfights above involving all the fighters of the mid 1943 period, also franetic bomber activity on both sides with a great variety of mission types. Yes hot, dusty but flower bedecked plains and gently rolling hills, but crawling with the finest armour that money could buy going head to head in a massive clash of steel. There is also a good amount of sources on the air battle of Kursk for the devs. Bring it on.
Descolada Posted August 25, 2014 Posted August 25, 2014 More importantly I could have a p39 and watch things explode into a million pieces when I hit them with that lovely cannon.
Jaws2002 Posted August 25, 2014 Posted August 25, 2014 (edited) Poor man's FokeWulf. Edited August 25, 2014 by Jaws2002
DairyAir Posted August 25, 2014 Posted August 25, 2014 I would like the U-2 please. The heroic Night Witches and their frail aircraft, deserve a place in a BOS hangar. read more here. http://www.century-of-flight.net/Aviation%20history/photo_albums/timeline/ww2/2/Polikarpov%20U%202%20Po%202.htm
DressedWings Posted August 25, 2014 Posted August 25, 2014 P40, this time with info.. http://lend-lease.airforce.ru/english/articles/romanenko/p-40/ 1
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