Fieseler Storch

[AndyJWest]

Short BBC piece featuring a Fieseler Storch, and discussing possible changes to CAA regulations on charging passengers for flights on vintage aircraft. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-28854838

 

And yes, it would be nice to have a Storch in BoS, though I'm not sure that it would be economically viable. 

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

Short BBC piece featuring a Fieseler Storch, and discussing possible changes to CAA regulations on charging passengers for flights on vintage aircraft. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-28854838

 

And yes, it would be nice to have a Storch in BoS, though I'm not sure that it would be economically viable. 

 

Economically viable..? I've seen dozens of forum regulars who put in the "I'd-Buy-It-Pledge" when it has come up for discussion. Same with Tante Junkers.

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

It probably isn't viable;

 

It wouldn't have a mission, only the diehards would buy it unless it was in a multi-aircraft pack and it would take as much time, resources and money to develop it.

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

It wouldn't have a mission, only the diehards would buy it unless it was in a multi-aircraft pack and it would take as much time, resources and money to develop it.

I'd glaldy buy a decently simulated Storch with MP functionality!   Unfortunately it most likely won't happen though.

 

Maybe they'll inttorduce multi purpose planes able to carry camaras for reconnisance missions instead. Still a Storch would be pretty neat.

 

I'm sure devs will be busy enough with actual combat aircrafts after release such as the Bf110 or Ju88.

Edited August 20, 2014 by [Jg26]5tuka

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

Ah,

 

I'm sure I'd throw twenty bucks at it too. It'd be fun for a day but then about as useful as a Cessna 150.

[Brano]

Besides MP,also for offline sightseeing recreational flights,why not.I would buy it.Same goes with Ju52,Po2,Hs123/126,Fw189.....Am I weird?

[Feathered_IV]

It probably isn't viable;

 

It wouldn't have a mission, only the diehards would buy it

Sure it would. The kind that rewards good airmanship and navigation. Doesn't always have to be about mad pew-pew skilz.

 

Artillery spotting is one 777 have proven they can do. Communications flights in the frontline areas would be hazardous enough, and would require stealth and cunning to complete online. Very different to the zombie like track into the furball that most onliners take.

 

For myself I'd very much like to fly medical evacuation flights in the Storch. Earning points on the leaderboards for lives saved, not lives taken. Trying to find that hard pressed ground unit, keeping one eye out for enemy fighters and ground units. Making a hazardous landing and picking up the wounded - each one saved is half the points of an aerial kill and you can carry two waliking wounded or one stretcher case for double the points (careful there, there is a strict time limit you can stay in the air with a stretcher case. Take too long and they will die). Getting in is only half the battle. You've still got to find your way back to claim your points and a successful trip.... Yep, I'd definitely be interested in the Storch.

Edited August 20, 2014 by Feathered_IV

[AndyJWest]

What it is like to fly - not subtle: http://www.airbum.com/pireps/PirepStorch.html

[AndyJWest]

Podcast of the above flight report (click on the Storch photo) http://www.flightjournal.com/the-flight-journal-podcast-with-budd-davisson/?vs=preset&vp=3

[Dakpilot]

What it is like to fly - not subtle: http://www.airbum.com/pireps/PirepStorch.html

 

Thanks! had not read that article, also would like to see it in BoS but if they do the FM accurately I fear there may complaints that another Luftwaffe FM is, ...dare I say it "Borked"

 

Cheers Dakpilot

[Sternjaeger]

The BBC piece was related to the UK, where it's still impossible to offer leisure flights on warbirds for a profit. 

 

The bottom line is that if they change the regulation you might be able to fly on the back seat of a Spitfire, but it would cost you somewhere in the region of £ 2.500/3.000 

[DD_bongodriver]

The BBC piece was related to the UK, where it's still impossible to offer leisure flights on warbirds for a profit. 

 

The bottom line is that if they change the regulation you might be able to fly on the back seat of a Spitfire, but it would cost you somewhere in the region of £ 2.500/3.000 

 

I'm slightly uncomfortable with the idea, the guy being interviewed was basically suggesting that aircraft that do not hold any C of A (only permit to fly) and pilots who do not hold a commercial license should be able to conduct revenue earning flights, ordinarily it would be a 'snowball in hell' scenario but I have heard rumours that EASA have considered this.........I hope I can get £40,000 refund for my commercial training if it turns out a PPL can work commercially.

[FlatSpinMan]

F_IV - tweaks or innovations in gameplay like that would be so good. They'd add so, so much variety and realism to the game, and if it was on multiplayer, that'd incentivize people to fly not just fighters. I know YOU know this, I just hope other people hear it.

[Sternjaeger]

I'm slightly uncomfortable with the idea, the guy being interviewed was basically suggesting that aircraft that do not hold any C of A (only permit to fly) and pilots who do not hold a commercial license should be able to conduct revenue earning flights, ordinarily it would be a 'snowball in hell' scenario but I have heard rumours that EASA have considered this.........I hope I can get £40,000 refund for my commercial training if it turns out a PPL can work commercially.

 

well at the moment you can go up with an owner anyway, you can "contribute to the fuel costs" and perhaps give something as extra as you know.

 

But I think that comparing a "leisure flight in a vintage aircraft" with a commercial flight is a bit far fetched, after all, you're not buying a transport service, you're buying an experience.. you know how expensive flying a warbird is, and if this could contribute to the aircraft remaining airworthy, then why not? But then it's also about the true intentions of an owner/operator: have you ever had the pleasure of meeting Pete Halloway? 

Edited August 21, 2014 by Sternjaeger

[Silverback]

I think having a Storch in game would be cool as AI. Not that it isn't a cool airplane but I don't think anyone would fly it more than a couple of times.

Edited August 21, 2014 by Silverback

[DD_bongodriver]

 

 

But I think that comparing a "leisure flight in a vintage aircraft" with a commercial flight is a bit far fetched

 

Not at all, fare paying passengers make it a commercial venture, even if it's just a pootle around the local area for a pleasure flight, currently to do this the operator is required to hold a full AOC for public transport.

 

 

 

have you ever had the pleasure of meeting Pete Halloway?

 

Nope.

[Sternjaeger]

Not at all, fare paying passengers make it a commercial venture, even if it's just a pootle around the local area for a pleasure flight, currently to do this the operator is required to hold a full AOC for public transport.

 

 

 

 

Nope.

 

yeah, I think that the point they're trying to convey is that it's a bit excessive to demand a full AOC to carry a paying customer for 30 minutes in the air.. things are different when it comes to larger machines that can carry more passengers and can even be used for actual connection flights (look at the sterling job done by Lufthansa with their Ju52 with their "European tours").

 

Pete Halloway is a bit of an interesting character, let's say he probably should have pondered his purchases a bit better.. but that's why he's a bit strapped for cash at the moment..

 

I think having a Storch in game would be cool as AI. Not that it isn't a cool airplane but I don't think anyone would fly it more than a couple of times.

 

Oh I think it'd make a very interesting aircraft to fly and it would open to quite a different kind of mission and campaigns, which would offer a warmly welcome variety to the usual "shoot/bomb" stuff. It would be challenging and demand quite some dexterity, I can think of a lot of ways of using it for missions!

[DD_bongodriver]

 

 

yeah, I think that the point they're trying to convey is that it's a bit excessive to demand a full AOC to carry a paying customer for 30 minutes in the air.. things are different when it comes to larger machines that can carry more passengers and can even be used for actual connection flights (look at the sterling job done by Lufthansa with their Ju52 with their "European tours").

 

But it's not excessive, it's the sole reason regulation exists, to protect the public, start making exceptions and Michael O'Leary will be crewing his 737's with unpaid PPL's (and there will be queues of PPL's lining p to do it).

 

 

Pete Halloway is a bit of an interesting character, let's say he probably should have pondered his purchases a bit better.. but that's why he's a bit strapped for cash at the moment..

 

That's the point, it's not the industry's fault he can't afford it.

[Sternjaeger]

But it's not excessive, it's the sole reason regulation exists, to protect the public, start making exceptions and Michael O'Leary will be crewing his 737's with unpaid PPL's (and there will be queues of PPL's lining p to do it).

 

protecting the public? Come on mate... besides as I said there's a difference between one or two passengers and 16... 

 

That's the point, it's not the industry's fault he can't afford it.

 

yeah, in his specific case I sort of agree, but bear in mind that we're lucky we can do what we do, but a lot of people can't afford a license or owning an aircraft, and giving them the chance to fly with a vintage type for a fare it would bring quite a considerable amount of business, which would in turn facilitate the restoration and maintenance of more warbirds.

 

I understand your "professional" concerns, but I think this would be far from being a problem for serious commercial aviation.

[DD_bongodriver]

 

 

protecting the public? Come on mate... besides as I said there's a difference between one or two passengers and 16...

 

really there isn't, one grieving family is as bad as 16.

 

 

 

and giving them the chance to fly with a vintage type for a fare it would bring quite a considerable amount of business

 

which is why they should fly perfectly legally and fully covered by the regulations in a Tiger Moth or Stearman........just a thought.....and I get paid

 

 

but I think this would be far from being a problem for serious commercial aviation.

 

it would be a problem full stop, Farmer giles will be running local air taxi business in his old beaten up Jodel.

[II./JG27_Rich]

109s burn a gallon a minute. Very cool aeroplane. I wish they would get the name right 

 

https://www.google.ca/?gws_rd=cr&ei=ABKTUufVDuivjAKp2YCoBw#q=stork+in+german

Edited August 22, 2014 by II./JG27_Rich

[Sternjaeger]

yeah, frankly I can understand your concern about your job, but I honestly doubt that such a niche thing would affect you in any tangible way, if anything you might get paid to take people up for a bit of barnstorming 

[Feathered_IV]

F_IV - tweaks or innovations in gameplay like that would be so good. They'd add so, so much variety and realism to the game, and if it was on multiplayer, that'd incentivize people to fly not just fighters. I know YOU know this, I just hope other people hear it.

 

Me too mate.  I could write volumes on that stuff.  If the devs would like a condensed version of concept sketches, I'd be very happy to provide. 

[ST_ami7b5]

Besides MP,also for offline sightseeing recreational flights,why not.I would buy it.Same goes with Ju52,Po2,Hs123/126,Fw189.....Am I weird?

 Then I'm weird too