The latest apparently broke something inside my brain

[Finkeren]

Fired up BoS last night after a few days hiatus. Very exited to try out the new FM tweaks.

 

I wasn't prepared for what hit me.

 

At first I really liked the changes. Directional stability seemed improved, the 109s rudder efficiency was downplayed a tad, roll rates seemed more differentiated between planes and fluctuated more with airspeed. The strange negative G spins were still there, but hey you can't have everything. Gunnery also seemed more challenging.  All in all, great stuff, but then I went online....

 

I don't know what's gone wrong, but the latest update apparently accidentally completely deleted my ability to fly. I was bumbling around like a fool spinning all over the place, wasting energy like some spring chicken stick-yanker and being completely unable to hit anything at all  . I also seemed completely unable to get good performance out of whatever plane I flew. The La-5 was especially atrocious, I couldn't break 520 km/h in level flight at low altitude, where I used to reach at least 550.

 

The overall crappyness seemed to affect only me. Everyone else was doing just fine and happily shot me down time and again  , so the problem really has to be on my end.

 

Have I really been so tuned into the former BoS FM, that I'm completely unable to adjust to even a slight change?

 

I'm considering going into therapy

Edited August 18, 2014 by Finkeren

[Pringliano]

You're not alone Finkeren :-/

 

On one of those sessions I picked a Fw190 A3, and straffed the enemy airbase, but you were there and started following me in your ( believe it was a Yak1 ).  I did all that comes in the book, but your were really getting closer and closer, and your fire was starting to find my fuselage...

 

All of a sudden I lost you - good grief! :-) 

 

I too was finding my flying abilities rather poor. I found out latter that the patch had my "stab trim" down function on the Axis aircraft disabled, so, I was only able to trim nose light, never nose heavy :-/

 

Even after fixing it, I felt like a duck :-(, but at least a trimmed duck!

 

And even on those few occasions where I was right on the six of some foe, throwing all my power over it, he kept flying like if nothing was hitting him ?????

 

Well, will try again tonight ....

Edited August 18, 2014 by jcomm

[MarcoRossolini]

I'm not looking forward to flying BoS multiplayer now...

 

You people have got me really scared.

[=38=Tatarenko]

I've just checked - with the new patch you can still get 575 out of the La-5 but perhaps not for quite as long.

[FlatSpinMan]

I just flew it for the first time now with the G2. I like the fact that I don't wobble around so much and that the rudder doesn't tip me over instantaneously, so that coordinated turns actually work. I found the roll to the right is slower than I was used to (historical or not, I just assume it is), but to the left is fine. I got caught by sudden flipping over when I banked hard right and applied rudder, but when I did it more gently (like, for example, I was actually sitting n the plane with my life on the line) then it worked okay.

Not sure about speeds.

Overall I found that it was easier to fly than before. Before I found that even if I tried very hard to control my movements, small corrections would send me barrel-rolling or snap stalling. I don't find that now, but do find I have to watch what I' doing. It's far less forgiving of my old, engrained habit of yanking the joystick hither and yon, that I picked up from the old IL2.

[keeno]

Hi all,

I'm glad you posted this. I haven't flown for a while but gave the new patch a whirl last night flying the FW190. I have to admit I was hopeless. I just couldn't hit a thing with even the slightest of deflection shots. It seemed comical that from almost dead six was hitting fresh air. I've put it down to lack of practice but embarressing just doesn't seem to cover it!

 

Cheers

[Leaf]

Being on holidays I've had a few hours (5 or 6) to experiment with the FM's. For me, I've got used to the 109 now (the only plane I really fly). It's possible that we all got so used to inaccurate FM's that we now have to acclimatise ourselves to the correct ones. With the 109 I've found aiming to be a lot easier, manoeuvring slightly trickier. But it's all a matter of practise. Afterall, most of us have only flown the new FM's a couple of hours in three days; much less than pilots in WW2 would have.

[IIN8II]

Hi all,

I'm glad you posted this. I haven't flown for a while but gave the new patch a whirl last night flying the FW190. I have to admit I was hopeless. I just couldn't hit a thing with even the slightest of deflection shots. It seemed comical that from almost dead six was hitting fresh air. I've put it down to lack of practice but embarressing just doesn't seem to cover it!

 

Cheers

The fw190 is really tough to hit anything with without working convergence. Even with it being locked at 500m the shells don't ever seem to converge with the 190. Also the cannon shells seem to track well below the reticle. I generally fly it pretty well, but have trouble landing enough shots in one pass to destroy my target. I think that once the convergence is fixed it will be very formidable.

[Br00ns]

The fw190 is really tough to hit anything with without working convergence. Even with it being locked at 500m the shells don't ever seem to converge with the 190. Also the cannon shells seem to track well below the reticle. I generally fly it pretty well, but have trouble landing enough shots in one pass to destroy my target. I think that once the convergence is fixed it will be very formidable.

 

I think you're right about this - last night, I turned on the aim assist toggle to see what it actually did. What it gives is a little box in front of nearby aircraft to indicate where you have to shoot in order to hit them, as well as a red dot to indicate where your shots are actually headed. In the 190, the dot always seemed to be sitting about half a tick lower than the center of the actual gunsight's crosshairs. Very interesting.

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

I went from the 190 back to the 109 so I could just furball. I entered the expert server, completely by accident, got a kill (and a half - someone else finished him as he spiraled down) then stacked up the landing because I'm used to abusing the tarmac in the 190.

 

So, it's you Finkeren

 

Actually, I noticed the changes and it took some getting used to but all is well now. I think we just got used the old FM's.

[Hocus]

Finkeren,

Maybe do a flight test in the lagg3, its FM has not been updated... You'll quickly know if it's on your side...

(Which I doubt, see your skills online... Rather not having you in my 6)

[Finkeren]

Gave it another try tonight, and it seems that I'm improving somewhat, though slowly. My aim is still quite poor, but I can at least stay in the air most of the time and my K/D ratio is slowly climbing above 1 again

 

Can I just say, that I LOVE the changes made to the FM. Yes, there are still issues, but everything done in this update points in the right direction. The roll rates while still fast are now more believable, and the advantage the Fw 190 has in that regard has become quite apparent :good:I had a blast with the Butcher Bird tonight.

[Felix58]

After some other correspondence on the 109, I thought I would revisit it.  Had some strange experiences with trim.  The default controls indicate RCTRL + up/dn/le/ri cursor.  Did not work on keyboard or Warthog hat.  

Seems to be linked to RSH instead of RCTRL!?

The unusual behaviour full pitch control down does occur as reported in anther thread.  But "normal" steep pitch input results are okay.

Wondering if the max pitch input is giving a full pitch/full right result?

After testing the pitch behaviour I found the pitch seemed to default to nose high and I could not trim it out.

I originally had Target GUI operating but found the above happened regardless of it being active or not.

[Pringliano]

Gave it another try tonight, and it seems that I'm improving somewhat, though slowly. My aim is still quite poor, but I can at least stay in the air most of the time and my K/D ratio is slowly climbing above 1 again

 

Can I just say, that I LOVE the changes made to the FM. Yes, there are still issues, but everything done in this update points in the right direction. The roll rates while still fast are now more believable, and the advantage the Fw 190 has in that regard has become quite apparent :good:I had a blast with the Butcher Bird tonight.

 

Finkeren, I am with you again !

 

Yesterday I sent a PM, don't know if you're aware of it, but please disregard my comparisons with another sim... I was actually feeling bad about being so lousy flying the 109s against the Russian fighters :-/

 

After all, it requires training and truth is that last night I also got back to my usual performance, almost.....

 

The aircraft ( only flying the 109s and the 190 now, after having been mainly a Russian fighter pilot since I started using this sim, but I have to admit I have fallen in Love with German ww2 aircraft - a totally unexpected outcome, but those guys really knew how to design a perfect fighter / bomber.... ) certainly feel a lot more stable, and after having set a 15% exponential curve to my pitch axis, it feels even better.

 

With my Cougar HOTAS I can almost feel the forces required at higher speeds, more than I can actually "feel" in my other sim ( DCS ).

 

Even that evasive maneuver you all talk about ( don't recall the name of the German pilot who "invented" it... ) where you make a sudden pitch down and the 109s used to flick-roll, and sometimes get into an inverted spin, is now minimized. One thing I have noticed, and makes some sense to me, is that one should have full pitch down trim before trying it. 

 

Well, learning how to properly handle these remarkable German fighters :-)

[Finkeren]

Finkeren, I am with you again !

 

Yesterday I sent a PM, don't know if you're aware of it, but please disregard my comparisons with another sim... I was actually feeling bad about being so lousy flying the 109s against the Russian fighters :-/

 

After all, it requires training and truth is that last night I also got back to my usual performance, almost.....

 

The aircraft ( only flying the 109s and the 190 now, after having been mainly a Russian fighter pilot since I started using this sim, but I have to admit I have fallen in Love with German ww2 aircraft - a totally unexpected outcome, but those guys really knew how to design a perfect fighter / bomber.... ) certainly feel a lot more stable, and after having set a 15% exponential curve to my pitch axis, it feels even better.

 

With my Cougar HOTAS I can almost feel the forces required at higher speeds, more than I can actually "feel" in my other sim ( DCS ).

 

Even that evasive maneuver you all talk about ( don't recall the name of the German pilot who "invented" it... ) where you make a sudden pitch down and the 109s used to flick-roll, and sometimes get into an inverted spin, is now minimized. One thing I have noticed, and makes some sense to me, is that one should have full pitch down trim before trying it.

 

Well, learning how to properly handle these remarkable German fighters :-)

I'm glad I read this before I read the PM, I might have wondered if someone hacked your account you're usually the staunchest supporter of BoS.

 

I really like the update despite what it did to my flying, but it's also becoming clear that not all issues are solved, and some propably won't be - at least not in time for release. That's ok by me, as long as we continue to see steady improvement like we did for years with RoF. No sim is ever gonna be perfect (not even DCS) and I think BoS hits a compromise that suits me better than any other sim out there.

[Pringliano]

I'm glad I read this before I read the PM, I might have wondered if someone hacked your account you're usually the staunchest supporter of BoS.

 

I really like the update despite what it did to my flying, but it's also becoming clear that not all issues are solved, and some propably won't be - at least not in time for release. That's ok by me, as long as we continue to see steady improvement like we did for years with RoF. No sim is ever gonna be perfect (not even DCS) and I think BoS hits a compromise that suits me better than any other sim out there.

 

Strangely, yesterday I started RoF after more than 2 months touching it. I actually bought it in a promotional Sales campaign, installed, and was waiting for better chance to start learning how to properly use it.

 

When I fired RoF yesterday it started an auto update ( big one ). After that I fired a QM and ... well, was again surprised ( very positively ) by everything I experienced for that short while dogfighting ... The extraordinary looks of the scenery, the sounds, the DMs, but, above all the sensation of flight. Great flight model, that's for sure, and as far as I know, being inherited by IL2 BOS, even if merged  with the 1C version too.

 

But yes, IL2 BOS is special, that's for sure, and a mandatory ww2 sim.

[keeno]

Hi all,

 

I haven't flown online for weeks/months on end but gave it another go for an hour last night to work on my terrible gunnery. I got a few ground kills using the La5 with guns/bombs and a few kills with the Yak 1 but at the end all stats were zero, are stats usually working or not? I got a FW190 but not before the pilot gave me a good run for my money flying it a lot better than I can manage.

 

Hopefully more tonight.

 

Cheers