WT Simulation -->IL2:BOS. What to expect?

[malism]

I'm mulling over paying the 100$ to get into the beta.  I currently play WT sim mode.  I would like a little more interaction with the plane but don't want to read a 500 page manual to take off.  I don't mind the dogfights only right now as that is all I really do in WT.  I rarely play single player games.  I like the challenge of a human on the other side.  I don't want to pay big bucks for a game that I have to wait 30 minutes to get into a MP game.  My gaming time is limited by work/family.

 

How would you compare this game to the sim mode of WT?  What is an honest prediction on the community?  WT sim player numbers are declining by the look of it and the constant bomber mouse aim spam is terrible.  I don't mind a small community if it is active and not toxic.  

[Leaf]

Coming from WarThunder and Rise of Flight, I can say this:

IL2 does what WarThunder does and more. You can simplify engine management, physics, turbulence etc. to your liking, so no, you won't have to learn the intricacies of prop pitch if you don't want to. If you want it more complex, you can have it. Your choice. 
Multiplayer -- still in Early Access, so only one "deathmatch" mode; basically WarThunder multiplayer. I live in the UK, and there are at least 3 servers I can get into immediately at all time. All the time.

 

Generally, you'll be a little shocked. Planes in BoS feel alive, real, visceral. IL2 can be quite unforgiving, since it's a real simulator, not an add-on game mode. Patience is required. You'll miss quite a few shots due to prop wash and turbulence. You'll be surprised at how good the flightmodels are and how each plane has its intricacies. It will take a while to get used to one plane; it took me weeks. There are lovely little details in this game that could easily be overlooked: wheels spinning after you take off, little grooves in the snow from when you land etc. Really immersive! Oh, and there's no B17 spam. Hooray! Being a gunner is also very difficult, but fun.

 

If you've got the rig to run it, go for it! I realise it's quite a large investment, but once you get used to it, you won't look back. Honestly.

Edited August 14, 2014 by LeafyPredicament

[Sparrer]

S!

 

I would say BOS is between WT and DCS

You may find what you want in BOS, maybe you will need to turn "difficult" down a little bit

[BeastyBaiter]

I played WT for a solid year before moving here. I occasionally poke my head in just to see if anything has changed (it has, it got worse). This is much better. That said this is still very much in a development phase. So if you're looking for a proper MP CFS right now, this isn't it. The official release is in 2 months I think, at that point we should have player hosted MP missions and user made missions. When that comes MP here will be fantastic. But for now we just have to be patient. There is far less waiting than in WT though. Everything is join in progress, no waiting in queues forever though you might be the only one in a server for the first 5 minutes.

 

As for complexity, BoS is more complex than WT in terms of systems management, but not hugely so. You don't have to worry about fuses, fuel pumps or magnetos. Basically crack the throttle, set mixture to full and press the start button. Very simple. The big advantage here is the FM's themselves. You just can't go back to WT after using these. Also, bombers are easy meat for a fighter here. Our Pe-2's aren't chasing around Fw-190's trying to kill them with their infinite ammo super gunners. The Pe-2's dorsal gunner gets an incredible 200 rounds and when it's gone it's gone.

Edited August 14, 2014 by =LD=King_Hrothgar

[LuftManu]

War Thunder in Full realistic battle is a Nice "Trainer" and beginner aproach of IL-2 Bos, The basic rules of the planes, are almost the same, but here, they are more complex and elaborated, like the engine management, Ballistics, Physics... there is not 500 pages manual here, It is not easy, of course, but it is the exact amount of Fun and realisim, Think of this as a change of tactics, learn every plane... Etc.

 

If I were you, i would buy it, You are going to love it, if you like FB battles from WT, this is better.

Edited August 14, 2014 by Manu_vc

[71st_AH_Mastiff]

you don't need a book to read and you can basically start flying as soon as you take off, yes the FM's are more advanced, and each plane has its quirks. But you can get a game immediately, I seen the wait time in WOT.

 

very long especially on the week days. that's because even though they boast a million player base how many are actually flying? If they had that many why are the wait times more than, (I have waited up to 20 minutes) so very long?

[PreachR]

There's relatively no wait to get into multiplayer matches. As of now, these matches last for an hour, although they will probably (at least in some servers) be more goal oriented in the future. The flight model, damage model, cockpit detail, plane detail, and overall graphical detail is much more realistic than War Thunder. How you can run your graphics settings will be similar to WT. I was maxed out in WT at 1440p getting 60fps steady, and I'm getting the same thing in BOS. Also, you can actually spot planes in BOS. I always had trouble spotting planes until they were too close in WT.

If the expert settings are overwhelming you, or you just want to get into a quick furball, you can always join a normal setting server. In the normal settings servers, you don't have to worry about blowing your engine up, and you get friendly and enemy icons at distance.

I have a pilot's license IRL. I've also been playing combat flight sims for about a decade on and off. I started again recently with WT, then I moved on to CLoD (which is also very good), but now I'm playing BOS almost exclusively. I just enjoy this game more, and I believe it will only get better. Hope this helps.

[Trinkof]

I come from WT also . If you were good at it... Do not expect to be good in the begining at BOS there is a learning curve, pretty harsh I

 

In anycase, after the first 30 hours , it is almost impossible to go back to thunder. Planes are feeling so "alive" in BOS, awarness, tactic and energy "management" are much more important.

 

And unless WT : the best pilot wins, not the best plane.

 

An advice : find a plane you like, and stick with it for at least 30-40 hours, each plane is a different game.

 

See you soon over Stalingrad !

[SharpeXB]

How does WT have a wait time to get on a server? I'm not familiar with that concept. Never waited to get online in any game I've had.

[LuftManu]

I was also forgiving this... We can be a Small community (We grew much in the last 3 moths I think,) but some folks here, will help you in an instant, and the Devs are really hearing us

[oneeyeddog]

I've never played WT but i can recommend you give BoS a try. You do not have to read a 500 page manual or even a 50 page manual to take off. I think someone like yourself, already familiar with Flight Sims, should be able to fly,fairly comfortably, any one of the AC in BoS without too much trouble in an evening. I have a lot of fun with BoS and its only 63% finished and i'm expecting to just keep getting better.

[Mikey]

I used to play war thunder simulation and when i got this game is was pure joy to fly.

[Brano]

I tried WT only for an hour before uninstalling.Just out of curiosity.Those waiting times were really odd.WT server (or better said session) is not permanent.It kinda puts players together according some rules/key.It means it creates separate session (for 15min?) every time from the pool of pilots and it takes so much time that is really annoying.

To OP> if you search for more then WT offers you now,BoS is your choice.And no,it is not inbetween WT and DCS.It is in same cathegory then DCS = up-to-date engine minus detailed starting procedure plus WW2 environment.

[Valok]

Also aside from what everyone already said, there's no bullshit matchmaker.

 

Bf 109 F4 vs Yak-3P. Oh Lord how fun it was...

Edited August 14, 2014 by Valok

[MiG21bisFishbedL]

Also aside from what everyone already said, there's no bullshit matchmaker.

 

Bf 109 F4 vs Yak-3P. Oh Lord how fun it was...

I love getting matched up against I-15s, P-26s, and all the other 30s biplanes.

 

In a CAC Boomerang.

[malism]

It looks like I'm sold.  Thank you for all the replies.  Now I just need to find a good group that plays during the evenings in the US!

[Silverback]

Don't forget this is not a pay to win game. Their are no silver lions or golden eagle's. Your planes are complete and your pilot is you. No BS mods/upgrades or repairs to buy.

Edited August 14, 2014 by Silverback

[BeastyBaiter]

Also aside from what everyone already said, there's no bullshit matchmaker.

 

Bf 109 F4 vs Yak-3P. Oh Lord how fun it was...

 

My own favorite: Ki-84 vs F-84. Their "statistics" say it's "balanced."

[Finkeren]

Hrothgar made me think of another important point:

 

The word "balance" doesn't belong in BoS (most of the community is trying to get rid of even forced team balance in MP) Instead we focus only on "accuracy". This means that the LaGG-3 absolutely sucks as a fighter and the Bf 109 G2 is a bloody rocket ship that can dominate nearly unchallenged, if the pilot knows what (s)he's doing.

 

However, as unbalanced as a realistic sim can be, skill, tactics (and luck) remains the greatest factors in determining winners or losers. I've just left a one hour session on the Stalingrad map, where I flew the Yak-1 exclusively (which on paper is slightly inferior to both 109s in all but sustained turn and cockpit view). My score was 13 kills to 1 death including 3 safe landings.

Edited August 14, 2014 by Finkeren

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

Don't forget this is not a pay to win game. Their are no silver lions or golden eagle's. Your planes are complete and your pilot is you. No BS mods/upgrades or repairs to buy.

 

Yep... You only have to unlock the modifications via campaign mode.

 

Wait... how is that different again..?

 

(And before I start feeling the ever-present "I disagree with you" heatwave, monetizing is not the point - the concept of ANY "unlock" requirements for field modification is.)

 

Otherwise, you should expect everything that WT isn't - a simulator, a test of skills and most of all a test of patience.

Edited August 14, 2014 by FalkeEins

[BeastyBaiter]

^You don't have to unlock an engine for your plane by using some scrap heap engine that only generates half the power it should. That's a pretty big difference. The unlocks are restricted to things like bomb loads for fighters and some non-standard equipment. But yes, I do agree that the whole concept of unlocks is flawed in a game like this.

[SharpeXB]

^You don't have to unlock an engine for your plane by using some scrap heap engine that only generates half the power it should. That's a pretty big difference. The unlocks are restricted to things like bomb loads for fighters and some non-standard equipment. But yes, I do agree that the whole concept of unlocks is flawed in a game like this.

I think the unlocks were there as a perk to encourage people to buy the early access, premium edition.

[JimTM]

Malism,

 

Check out Requiem's YouTube videos at https://m.youtube.com/user/RequiemBoS. These should give you a nice introduction to the BoS experience. He also has a lot of great Rise of Flight videos that deal with tactics, etc and these apply well to WWII combat.

 

Salut!

[Johnny_Red]

To the op, they're pretty much the same. Same level of engine management. The only real difference is the graphics. BoS has much better graphics. The WT community has pretty much ruined the game with the constant whingeing about FMs DMs Balistic and just about everything else. Same thing is happening here and in the DCS community too. There's something about WW2, folk read a book and think they're experts.

There will be dedicated servers with this game, so there won't be any waiting to get into a game when it's released. At the moment WTs online game play has more depth than BoS's. At the moment all BoS has to offer is team death match. That will change with time. There are unlocks which I feel lowers this, some would say 'sim', into the game bracket.

So you should expect a better graphics version of WT sim mode but with no waiting for a team death match

[SYN_Mike77]

What. Utter. Nonsense.

[T_Rod]

To the op, they're pretty much the same. Same level of engine management. The only real difference is the graphics. BoS has much better graphics. The WT community has pretty much ruined the game with the constant whingeing about FMs DMs Balistic and just about everything else. Same thing is happening here and in the DCS community too. There's something about WW2, folk read a book and think they're experts.

There will be dedicated servers with this game, so there won't be any waiting to get into a game when it's released. At the moment WTs online game play has more depth than BoS's. At the moment all BoS has to offer is team death match. That will change with time. There are unlocks which I feel lowers this, some would say 'sim', into the game bracket.

So you should expect a better graphics version of WT sim mode but with no waiting for a team death match

+1 to this

 

Fast answer, in comparison:

 

WT < BoS < CloD < DCS

 

Regards

 

P.S.: If you want more complex engine management, go for Cliff of Dover with TF patch .... its a step up from BoS but is not an "Study Sim" like DCS.

[Silverback]

Yep... You only have to unlock the modifications via campaign mode.

 

Wait... how is that different again..?

 

(And before I start feeling the ever-present "I disagree with you" heatwave, monetizing is not the point - the concept of ANY "unlock" requirements for field modification is.)

 

Otherwise, you should expect everything that WT isn't - a simulator, a test of skills and most of all a test of patience.

Wow you missed the point entirely. The unlockables in this sim like ROF are stuff you don't need to compete and usually detrimental to the flight model of the airplane.

[Felix58]

For the price, it is hard to go past CLoD.  Cockpits are superb and it is an enjoyable experience on the ATAG server (note with Team Fusion patch).  

 

BOS is coming along really nicely and I am enjoying the experience.  Very nice graphics, good selection of aircraft, interesting ground objects, not too clicky if that is not your thing and the FM/DM is pretty good (as far as I can tell - no expert!).  With 63% completion to date, only the most illogical WW2 flight simmer would say this is not a great addition to the genre.  I have great hopes for the remainder of the build and the devs do seem to try to communicate with us punters (a frustrating task at the best of times! - flight simmers are legendary as far as demands on devs go).  A decent mission builder could really make it a winner for squad activity.  Time will tell on that score.

 

Had a look at DCS World and a little under-whelmed with the graphics (one step better than 46).  But great if you like detailed checklists and the FM seems to be well regarded.  Would like to get the F86 and Huey packages down the track.  Understand something called EDGE is being introduced that should lift the graphical aspect.  DCS - interesting but limited - but the WW2 version should be interesting down the track.

[SOLIDKREATE]

I played WT since the begining and I can tell you it's flight modeling doesn't hold a candle to IL-2:BoS. I still play WT sometimes when I just want to fly brain dead and grind. When I want a special treat like having icecream, I play IL-2:BoS.

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

P.S.: If you want more complex engine management, go for Cliff of Dover with TF patch .... its a step up from BoS but is not an "Study Sim" like DCS.

Engine management in Clod is Ok but still far off from reality. DCS is probably offers the best simulation and rly looks harder than it is (took me ~7 min to completely learn how to start the P-51, startup takes me ~10 sec). But that's another topic not to be discussed here.

 

Unlike War Thunder we have working radiator and mixture controlls on all planes which is great. Changes made to for example the prop pitch or the mix. are immediately noticeable by gauge reaction and / or acoustical signals, which is another great point in learning to handle and feeling the engine.

 

Zak announced enhanced engine controll feautures for the next update and I'm curious to see what those inprovements will be.

 

CloD, as nice as TF lifted it's face, is still very buggy and underpopulated. I can't see any point calling it superiour to BoS. Maybe those guys should have played CloD at 63 % stage and than voiced their judgement

 

The only advantage WT still holds for me is the Pacific scenarios, which are all flodded with prototype crap, german 109s/190s and P-63s leaving pacific planes to be rather an extinctional sight.

Edited August 16, 2014 by [Jg26]5tuka

[Panzerlang]

Engine management in Clod is Ok but still far off from reality. DCS is probably offers the best simulation and rly looks harder than it is (took me ~7 min to completely learn how to start the P-51, startup takes me ~10 sec). But that's another topic not to be discussed here.

 

CloD, as nice as TF lifted it's face, is still very buggy and underpopulated. I can't see any point calling it superiour to BoS. Maybe those guys should have played CloD at 63 % stage and than voiced their judgement

 

 

 

Just...wut? Engine management in CloD is spot-on and it is not "buggy and under-populated" (so far as niche sims go). It's highly stable and everything works 100%. Have you played it recently? Our guys play it every day/night and have an absolute blast because it's so stable and free of bugs. It is also head & shoulders above BoS in terms of graphics, FM and DM. That's not to say BoS is bad, just that CloD is eons ahead in the incredible detail and complexity of its under-the-hood functionality.

Edited August 16, 2014 by II/JG3Siggi

[MiG21bisFishbedL]

Did they ever add icing back into CloD? I remember TF took it out once upon a time.

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

Yes I played it recently, yes I had to install it 3 times to get it running without crashing after 5 min (still crashing here and than during flights). Yes, interface and view controlls are bugged. It's impossible to play without additional programs modifying the controlls to enable hat switch users to look around in pan mode.

 

Graphicly superiour...unlikely. Wihtout Sweetfx it's well but not compareable.  TF has done a good job for sure - haven't played it before actually - but they'e not allmighty and have no option to modify the core code, which still contains lots of issues and bugs.

 

Last time I've flown it more intensively there were supicious FM bugs. Most noticeably the british FMs and DMs were highly controversal.

 

I don't want to burst your bubble, if you preferr it it's fine. There's no need to make up insane points to call it way superiour to BoS though.

Edited August 16, 2014 by [Jg26]5tuka

[Panzerlang]

None of the nine guys in our gruppe have CTDs. Or anything else going wrong. Your hardware maybe? And one of the guys has only just taken delivery of his TrackIR yesterday; until then his hat-switch has been working fine and we have 'gun-cam' clips to prove it.

 

Graphics...better than BoS generally, but the difference isn't so great as to make one ugly. Where BoS falls way behind is in the DM. The amount of stuff that happens to planes when they're hit in CloD is incredible. Do the wheels come out of their bays in BoS? Not seen it yet. Hit sounds...yeah. In CloD, superb. In BoS, nada. And that point alone is very important, because the lack of them particulary divorces the player from a sense of 'being there'.

 

But WiP. We'll see.

[TheBlackPenguin]

 

Graphics...better than BoS generally, but the difference isn't so great as to make one ugly. Where BoS falls way behind is in the DM. The amount of stuff that happens to planes when they're hit in CloD is incredible. Do the wheels come out of their bays in BoS? Not seen it yet. Hit sounds...yeah. In CloD, superb. In BoS, nada. And that point alone is very important, because the lack of them particulary divorces the player from a sense of 'being there'.

 

But WiP. We'll see.

 

Weird, last night I rammed a Stuka (I need a lot more practice, not played much and I was on fire, it was the right thing to do haha) and I saw a wheel flying off by itself after it got ejected from the wheel bay, pretty impressive and I can hear my rounds slamming into the enemy, perhaps too much. Lets not forget when you crash BOS's DM is real good .

[71st_AH_Hooves]

None of the nine guys in our gruppe have CTDs. Or anything else going wrong. Your hardware maybe? And one of the guys has only just taken delivery of his TrackIR yesterday; until then his hat-switch has been working fine and we have 'gun-cam' clips to prove it.

 

Graphics...better than BoS generally, but the difference isn't so great as to make one ugly. Where BoS falls way behind is in the DM. The amount of stuff that happens to planes when they're hit in CloD is incredible. Do the wheels come out of their bays in BoS? Not seen it yet. Hit sounds...yeah. In CloD, superb. In BoS, nada. And that point alone is very important, because the lack of them particulary divorces the player from a sense of 'being there'.

 

But WiP. We'll see.

SIGGI Is your sole purpose on these forums to slag BoS and promote Clod?  Thats ALL you do.  Its so fricken old.  Im honestly surprised you haven't been banned yet for such slander against this product.  Your Clod recruitment tactics are tasteless and just downright ridiculous. Please leave clod on the Clod forums.  

 

But your going to come back and say "oh I just want BoS to get better bla bla bla"  No one buys it.  Your bias is clear as the burning sun.  

[MiG21bisFishbedL]

None of the nine guys in our gruppe have CTDs. Or anything else going wrong. Your hardware maybe? And one of the guys has only just taken delivery of his TrackIR yesterday; until then his hat-switch has been working fine and we have 'gun-cam' clips to prove it.

 

Graphics...better than BoS generally, but the difference isn't so great as to make one ugly. Where BoS falls way behind is in the DM. The amount of stuff that happens to planes when they're hit in CloD is incredible. Do the wheels come out of their bays in BoS? Not seen it yet. Hit sounds...yeah. In CloD, superb. In BoS, nada. And that point alone is very important, because the lack of them particulary divorces the player from a sense of 'being there'.

 

But WiP. We'll see.

You do know the first statement you made can be used against your statement of impact sounds.

[Mac_Messer]

Last time I've flown it more intensively there were supicious FM bugs. Most noticeably the british FMs and DMs were highly controversal.

 

I don't want to burst your bubble, if you preferr it it's fine. There's no need to make up insane points to call it way superiour to BoS though.

Yes, well, could you say that BoS FM is not controversial? No.

 

As for insane points - how about the BoS Stuka? I hear it is rather "underdeveloped"?

SIGGI Is your sole purpose on these forums to slag BoS and promote Clod?  Thats ALL you do.  Its so fricken old.  Im honestly surprised you haven't been banned yet for such slander against this product.  Your Clod recruitment tactics are tasteless and just downright ridiculous. Please leave clod on the Clod forums.  

 

But your going to come back and say "oh I just want BoS to get better bla bla bla"  No one buys it.  Your bias is clear as the burning sun.  

You OTOH are quite a self righteous zealot around here. Flaming anyone who so much as squeals about CloD. I`m surprised you haven`t been banned for your inflammatory posting.

[MiG21bisFishbedL]

You're arguing about a toy, you all do realize this?

[Creepermoss]

You OTOH are quite a self righteous zealot around here. Flaming anyone who so much as squeals about CloD. I`m surprised you haven`t been banned for your inflammatory posting.

It's a matter of this not being the right place, IMO. If he felt the need to crusade on the CLoD (well, I guess the TF) forums, he'd likely get the same response. It's not odd at all for someone who is part of this community, by choice, to have postive feelings about this game, and not want to hear how much better product x is for the umpteenth time.

 

On-Topic: spend the money, you'll never look back and wish you'd stuck with WT.

Edited August 17, 2014 by [JG2]Creepermoss