Game is just not fun (for new people)

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

Winging up is starting to happen. If your not in a squadron already it takes time to develop relationships. I have a TS rendezvous on Monday with two other pilots. Getting on TS, I think, is the key. I have also noticed the Soviet side does a fair amount of organized teamwork. More than the LW side, anyway. Maybe out of necessity due to performance considerations.

Edited August 22, 2014 by A1FltTrn=HerrMurf

[Gambit21]

My wife already thinks I'm a bit strange for doing this flying stuff - if I start talking to my computer I'm going to get more odd looks and maybe

some eye rolling.

[SYN_Mike77]

Gambit, tell her it beats hanging out at the bar!

[Jaws2002]

The online aspect of BOS, so far, is boring to tears... silly maps made for mindless merry go around dogfight.

[oneeyeddog]

My wife already thinks I'm a bit strange for doing this flying stuff - if I start talking to my computer I'm going to get more odd looks and maybe

some eye rolling.

Gambit, it was not so long ago that I felt the same as your wife regarding talking to folks on TeamSpeak. I'd roll my eyes and lightheartedly give my sons, young men in their 20s, a hard time regarding these online 'friends' of theirs that they were having fun with and yet had never really met (ie " I bet that guys not wearing pants"). However the difficulties of typing and flying prompted me to give the RoF TS a try and I'm very glad I did. Flight Sims are so much better when you can cooperate and coordinate with others and its much easier to do so thru conversation than in-game chat. I can almost guarantee that you would not regret giving TS a try and you may, like me , make a few  Friends and have some laughs. The great majority of folks I've met on TS are nice, very helpful, and mature and Ive come to believe that most are indeed wearing pants. 

[II./JG77_Manu*]

I love aviation. I'm a pilot in real life. However, the online aspect of this game is just not fun for new people. I'm sitting here competing with people with 5+years experience in online fighting. I can fly around and do BnZ all day, however my aim is crap, because you have to sit down and play this game for a good amount of time just to get your aiming to a somewhat "respectable" hit ratio. I'm a "pick up and play" type of guy due to real life and I'm finding out the hard way that this game is not one of them. I guess i will just stay in the single player mode and get what $94.00 bucks i can out of this game. Sorry had to vent.

 

It's not "this game" at all. It's flight-Sim, and you can't expect to shine in aerial combat after a few hours of practise. Flying in real life (of course i don't mean fighter or commercial jet planes) is way easier then aerial combat WW2-Sim, you have to except this. 

But the good thing is, once you learned aerial WW2 combat, you will be able to master every flight sim there is, and will be coming. And you definetly don't need "5+ years" for it. I myself started flight simming in December 2013, less then a year ago, and i have around ~250 hours of flight sim behind me, so in WW2 i would have been a bloody amateur. Started with War Thunder, then went to Cliffs of Dover, 1946, then BoS, and a few weeks ago i started DCS. And i am doing quite well in all off those right now. Sometimes i fly out alone, i get 4 or 5 kills, before landing again (in BoS).On other days i get shot down 3 times in a row without killing an enemy plane. I am definetly no ace pilot though. But it's always fun, no matter what the outcome of the battles is. 

 

Let me give you, in my opinion, the most valuable hint. Flying with "mind", and with good tactics is way more important then to be the perfect pilot in terms of manouvers or aiming. I myself still suck in aiming, sometimes i need 4 or 5 passes to kill an enemy plane while Boom and Zooming. But that's no big deal, as long as you keep more energy then the enemy planes, you will have enough time to kill them, because they won't be able to hit you. I advise you to read a book about WW2 aerial combat, it will help you more then 100 hours of practising.

 

In conclusion, just believe: After the first 100 hours of Sim-Combat, when you have become a competitive pilot, there is no going back to any other genre, when you are really interested in aviation. 

 

And i think right now, this is the best WW2 Simulation out there, and will be for some time. (I own every sim on the market)

Edited August 22, 2014 by Celestiale

[Leaf]

The online aspect of BOS, so far, is boring to tears... silly maps made for mindless merry go around dogfight.

 

Wait for release. Patience.

[Feathered_IV]

My wife already thinks I'm a bit strange for doing this flying stuff - if I start talking to my computer I'm going to get more odd looks and maybe

some eye rolling.

 

Mrs F_IV's English isnt her first language and the flight sim bug gets referred to as "stir-the-pot" after the motion one makes while using the joystick.  We had some friends around one time. Over dinner they remarked upon the shiny new computer in the next room. They asked if we got much use out of it and Mrs F says, "Oh yes! He is all the time like this...". Putting her hand to her groin and making a twisting, yanking motion. Oh man, their eyebrows shot up so high I thought they were going to fly right off!

[Gort]

I used to teach this stuff and I find the sim challenging. Same concepts, different application due to aircraft performance and weapons employment. Keep at it with an open mind and you get the hang of it. Remember, in a few weeks, you'll have more engagements than the average WWII pilot had when reporting for front line duty.

Read this- it should be classified. The 1v1 material will help.
 

Edited August 22, 2014 by Rama

[Gambit21]

OK peeps (and good story Feathered) thanks for the encouragement...maybe I'll give this TS thing a go after all...

[VikingFjord]

I'm sitting here competing with people with 5+years experience in online fighting.

i've got 20+yrs experiance but i still find it fun

[dburne]

The online aspect of BOS, so far, is boring to tears... silly maps made for mindless merry go around dogfight.

The SP aspect can get boring with just the QMB we have now and the issues it has.

I am really looking forward to some more SP content, especially the campaign and hopefully some user created content.

[BlueHeron]

11 years on flight sims here, and it just keeps getting more exciting!

[76SQN-FatherTed]

 Remember, in a few weeks, you'll have more engagements than the average WWII pilot had when reporting for front line duty.

 

Probably more engagements than the average WWII pilot had in their lifetime

[johncage]

never play a multiplayer game without offline training first. ever. because we get these people clowning around online, i much prefer offline where ai pilots behave believably.

[Bullets]

I believe that multiplayer is just something you are either good at or not.. I mean there is stuff you can learn to be better at but there is just a fundamental mental agility and hand co-ordination that makes a good fighter pilot and online fighter pilot. Seeing as this game is trying to be as realistic as possible. Not everyone was good at dogfighting in real life either no matter how much they trained. (No offence just a thought I had!) 

[76SQN-FatherTed]

I believe that multiplayer is just something you are either good at or not.. I mean there is stuff you can learn to be better at but there is just a fundamental mental agility and hand co-ordination that makes a good fighter pilot and online fighter pilot. Seeing as this game is trying to be as realistic as possible. Not everyone was good at dogfighting in real life either no matter how much they trained. (No offence just a thought I had!) 

 

My thoughts exactly.  Even though I'm crap myself I love the fact that these sims reward actual skill rather than an ability to grind through levels or buy the best arms - they're proper "e-sports".  When I fly with my squad mates I can usually tell who I'm fighting against by the way they're "flying", which I think is very cool.  The price I pay for that enjoyment is the realisation that most of them are better than I will ever be.

 

In the real world, fighter pilots went through a rigorous selection process and then thoroughly learnt to fly before perhaps having some combat training before they got to fight.  They could be "chopped" at any stage if they failed to make the grade (if they didn't die  in accidents) before seeing action.  We shouldn't really expect to be able to pick up a sim and be competent at dogfighting.  Sure, you can learn to be better, but I believe Bullets is right - MP in combat flights sims is like sport or music  - some people are naturally pre-disposed to be good at it.

[MarcoRossolini]

One of the great things about the Flight sim community too is that its so small that you get to know most people. More than half the guys who are posting here use names I recognise from Rise of Flight forums.

[Chuck_Owl]

I believe that multiplayer is just something you are either good at or not.. I mean there is stuff you can learn to be better at but there is just a fundamental mental agility and hand co-ordination that makes a good fighter pilot and online fighter pilot. Seeing as this game is trying to be as realistic as possible. Not everyone was good at dogfighting in real life either no matter how much they trained. (No offence just a thought I had!) 

 

Not sure I agree on this one.

 

Given enough time and training, anyone can do pretty much anything. Some people might be more naturally "gifted" than others, which is true. Although, I think that if someone is trained by someone who is knowledgeable and knows what he's doing, he can become a great pilot.

 

I might take myself for example. If you go back in time many many months ago, I was about the worst pilot you could think of. I didn't applied energy management incredibly poorly, I was a terrible shot and I couldn't see anything. I was completely overwhelmed by anything with wings, and I came to a point where I hadn't scored a single kill for almost a whole month. Yeah, I was really that bad. Multiplayer made me eat that humble pie on a regular basis.  However, I ended up meeting by pure chance a bunch of guys who actually knew what they were doing. I tagged along with them and they showed me how to dogfight good and proper. They taught me the basics, and once I felt slightly more confident we went on for the more advanced stuff. In a matter of weeks, I made so much progress that I found myself dumbfounded any time I just hit something. And with the passing months, the guys who showed me the ropes eventually made me feel confident enough to take on more experienced pilots. At some point, we would have a 2v2 fight over the skies of Dover that lasted for about 15 minutes and we came out on top after one of the toughest fights I ever had. And when I saw the names of the guys we killed, we knew that we had achieved something incredible.

 

At the moment, I think I have become a fairly experienced pilot. But I am by no stretch of the imagination an experten or a natural. If nobody shows you how to fly properly, you'll never be good. Training and patience, IMHO, is how you become a great pilot.

[Bullets]

You have mistaken me, great pilots were not instantly good either.... Everyone has to go through a learning phase. 

[39bn_pavig]

Fly together. Two pilots in formation can always check each other's six. When one goes in for the kill and has the tables turned, their flight mate can swoop in and get on the enemy tail while they're target focused, or at the very least divide their situational awareness to reduce their combat effectiveness. This is especially fun in an asymetrical sim like BoS, where some planes outperform others and teamwork is required to fly the more vulnerable planes effectively. Like any multiplayer community though it can be difficult at first to break in and feel comfortable. When you find your place it is much more fun. (I know this from playing Arma3, where I am terrible, but when I save a better player from certain death the fact that I have bad skills ceases to be a factor.)

Edited August 23, 2014 by 39bn_pavig