WWII Aircraft Suggested Plane List

[CountZero]

money, time to make = no profit

 

here at around 30min they talka bout 4 engine bombers

 

Edited November 9, 2022 by CountZero

[=621=Samikatz]

This is asked basically every week. Extremely time consuming to make for a small team, intense on the game engine, difficult to market and sell as standalone compared to a planeset of tactical aircraft. Too high of a risk to make a development focus, basically

[Soilworker]

6 hours ago, CountZero said:

money, time to make = no profit

 

here at around 30min they talka bout 4 engine bombers

 

 

This was a great insight but it left me with more questions as it does not explain why we don't have AI versions of these planes and if anything it makes it sound as if they should be possible (perhaps not anywhere near historical numbers). 

 

I get why they're not flyable and I don't want to fly them anyway other than out of interest (seriously, how many people want to sit and fly in formation for several hours for every mission?!) but I do want to shoot them down in my German BoBp & BoN careers. 

[jollyjack]

Ai versions only already would be nice ...

[Raptorattacker]

?...

[CountZero]

1 hour ago, Soilworker said:

 

This was a great insight but it left me with more questions as it does not explain why we don't have AI versions of these planes and if anything it makes it sound as if they should be possible (perhaps not anywhere near historical numbers). 

 

I get why they're not flyable and I don't want to fly them anyway other than out of interest (seriously, how many people want to sit and fly in formation for several hours for every mission?!) but I do want to shoot them down in my German BoBp & BoN careers. 

I belive most ppl asking for B-17 just wont to shoot at it or escort it, i doubt many wont to fly it. But you still have same problems with AI only. Whos gona give them money for AI airplane that they can just not pay amd have in game.

[Trooper117]

OMFG.... not again... there must be a zillion posts on this all over the forums.

[jollyjack]

 

[senseispcc]

Developers decision! Nothing to see here.?

[Soilworker]

40 minutes ago, CountZero said:

I belive most ppl asking for B-17 just wont to shoot at it or escort it, i doubt many wont to fly it. But you still have same problems with AI only. Whos gona give them money for AI airplane that they can just not pay amd have in game.

 

Well the biggest amount of work is the interiors and if they don't need to model those I can't see it being too much more work than say the B-25/B-26 and would I argue that the B-17 is integral to BoBp (at least) in a similar way the map is, so we've essentially already paid for it in a sense. 

 

Edit: I would also argue that the loudest people asking want to fly it. But yes I think I am in the majority but it bugged me that Enigma only asked about the possibility of it being flyable. 

 

14 minutes ago, Trooper117 said:

OMFG.... not again... there must be a zillion posts on this all over the forums.

 

Dude, there is new info from Enigma's interview so I for one don't see a problem with discussing it under new light but the great thing about forums, etc. is: If you don't want to read it, don't click on it, no one is making you. 

(Apart from me quoting you, you'll get a notification which you'll probably be tempted to click on. ?) 

Edited November 9, 2022 by Soilworker

[Trooper117]

I watched that interview weeks ago.

I'm well aware what's in it, I'm well aware what the official line was from the devs for bombers for months and months ago.

The point is it's a question that can be found all over these forums since the game was released and you don't have to do much searching to find one... 

 

[I./JG52_Woutwocampe]

Wether the topic is redundant or not, with the release of battle of Normandy, you just cant ignore the absence of the 4 engines bombers. 

 

That, and the pathetic inflight communications, two elephants in the room. Yet they continue to develop around these elephants making them more and more obvious and troublesome.

 

As of now, June 8th 1944, I'll take off in my 190, to encounter proverbial B-26s that catch on fire at a single glance, and God forbid my wingmen warn me if a fighter gets on my 6.

 

Enough. Time to fix these monster flaws instead of adding around it hoping we'll forget/accept.

[Trooper117]

Look, I don't think there is anyone on these forums that wouldn't want some heavy bombers in the game... but that is not a flaw. The dev's have explained over and over why we can't have them. If they find a way to include them in the future that would be great, but as it stands at the moment it's a no...

As to in flight comms, yes, that is a flaw, and it's something we have all moaned about for a very long time...

[DBS]

TBH i dont know why they made tank crew when they could have made bomber crew..

[JG_deserteagle540]

 

 

 

Yes, the AI version would be really nice. Then The Me262 and FwA8 sturmbock could be used like in real life happened.

[twilson37]

I have been playing flight simulators for decades and I think the last game I remember having four engine aircraft built in the game was European Air War. Modern simulations have focused on creating finely detailed aircraft and flight models pushing graphics and memory to the maximum to give us the most realistic experience in that aircraft that the engine can handle, this however comes at a sacrifice to the number of aircraft in the sky at one time. Could someone create a 4 engined bomber for IL2 or DCS sure but the current engine for these platforms will not allow mass box formations of aircraft we are accustomed to. So the teams have to decide on better graphics and more realistic gameplay for a few aircraft or lower graphics for larger aircraft and in the end higher graphics and more realism sell more copies.  That being said Il2 1946 has come a long way with modifications which do include 4-engine aircraft in mass formation, that is probably the best option, and it will probably always will be that the modified version of past iterations of flight sims will hold the massive aerial combat missions while the current versions refine the accuracy of the aircraft and flight model.

[saldy]

BoX is not appropriate for playable heavy bombers. The maps are too small for them.

[twilson37]

I will add this analogy.  The flight sim developers are the Luftwaffe high command. 

"We need a four engine bomber"

      "But we do not have the resources to build 4-engine bombers"

" I don't care build one"

       "Okay well if I build one it will need to have all the features of my twin engine Aircraft"

"Yes definitely"

       " I have done it just as you requested, here is the HE-177"

"Good Greif"

[oc2209]

Per the title, list all planes not currently in the sim, that you'd be willing to buy individually as collector planes. Anything from the Spanish Civil War to VE-Day '45 is on the table. This is a wishlist foremost, not a place to argue feasibility. That said, we know we're not getting 4 engine bombers anytime soon.

 

I'll begin:

 

Spitfire I

Boulton Paul Defiant

Fairey Swordfish

Gloster Meteor (as late a version as possible)

Vickers Wellington

 

Yak-3

Yak-9U

La-7

IL-10

I-15bis

 

Bf-109B, C, or D

Ar-68

Hs-123

Ju-87B

Do-217

Ju-188

He-162

Ta-152

Me-163

He-219

 

P-61

 

I'm sure there are other planes I'd buy that I simply forgot to list.

[zan64]

anything axis, fighter wise. esp early war (or spanish civil war, but we would need a map!)

except Ta-152, dont see the appeal as i think it looks weird and i wont be playing at 30,000alt nor were they by that point in real life 1945 either (edit for those interested 1946 recently updated their altitude physics which affects how the Ta-152 operates in game, if you wish to go up against bomber formations) 

 

anything soviet, fighter wise. a muse often about an earlier series lagg-3, would be quite a challenge heh, and also about late series i.e. 66th

 

would also in particular buy an early Ju-87 and esp an Hs-123

 

would never buy a bomber have enough already from expansions to satisfy my limited interests in them, sorry bomber fans

 

Edited November 15, 2022 by zan64

[CountZero]

F4F-3

F4U-1C

YP-80A

A6M2

N1K2J

Bf-109G10

MC205V series III

I-153P

Tu-2S

Yak-9UT

[Leftenant_Soap]

^ some of the ones already listed I'd like to see as part of the next modules, time will tell...

 

L-4 Grasshopper

Lysander

Bf 108

A-26 Invader

B-32 Dominator (heh)

Edited November 15, 2022 by DD_Soapy

[Avimimus]

Ones we think are possible or ones we wish were possible?

[Leftenant_Soap]

4 minutes ago, Avimimus said:

 

The latter. Show me what you got.

[Hotaru_Ito]

ALL planes I'd be willing to buy as collectors?! That'd be a long list, even excluding WWI planes for some reason. I'd probably buy basically any plane we don't already have, assuming the prices stay about where they are now. Strong preference for new types or relatively distant variants (e.g. SCW era 109, I-153, C.200, etc). Similar variants to ones we already have (e.g. G-10, A-9, bubble-top Spit XIV) would tend to go on the wait-for-a-sale pile.

[BraveSirRobin]

@Jackfraser24 this is your moment.  

 

Edited November 15, 2022 by BraveSirRobin

[AndyJWest]

Walrus.

PBY.

 

...and then a long long list. Basically, everything but the Blackburn Roc. 

[Avimimus]

I'm leaving out bombers because they're only likely to be viable if part of a new module (so no Ju-188, Tu-2, Il-4, Do-217E etc.)

I'll also leave out ones which clearly require a new scenario (e.g. Europe 1948-1955, Korea, Pacific, Gulf of Venice/Isonzo aircraft, Battle of France, Mediterranean etc.) I'm leaving out aircraft from the late war of eastern Europe (on the assumption they'll be part of a module.

 

For WWII what springs to mind as exciting:
- Tomahawk (early P-40 in Russian/British service)
- I-153 (biplane, good ground attack platform into 1943)
- Pe-3 (Ju-88C equivalent)
- He-162 (high technology and simple production)
- Fw-189 (artillery spotter, well-armed)
- Fi-156 (nimble/small artillery spotter)

 

I think all of the above would add quite a bit in terms of unique gameplay experiences (with the Tomahawk probably providing the least novelty).

 

There are others of course: Mustang I/Ia, A-20G-1, Ju-87D-5, LaGG-3 (variants), P-39Q, Beaufighter, Arado Ar 196. There are also some other 1942 variants that are missing (e.g. Fw-190A4) but they could be saved for a Leningrad scenario.

 

Flying Circus:
- Roland D.VIb (produced in similar numbers to the SSW, outperforms the Fokker D.VII, but handles more like an Albatross)
- Morane-Saulnier AI (French parasol fighter with a high wing-loading. Withdrawn after a few months but very fast).
- Airco DH.5 (falls between the N.17 and the Pup in performance, exceptional forward view due to reversed wing stagger).
- Early war French two-seaters (Caudron G.IV, Morane-Saulnier L, Voisin V.III)

 

 

42 minutes ago, DD_Soapy said:

The latter. Show me what you got.

 

Okay - I'll think about it and let my preference run wild. If I could pick anything - I might suggest the Salmson-Moineau S.M.1. It would represent the French three seat fighters (of which well over 750 were produced). However, it is the strangest of the lot. The Bristol Boxkite (WWI trainer, similar to the Farman III) would be lovely - and no need to model a cockpit.

 

Part of me is curious what the Blohm und Voss P.212/215 would be like at this level of aerodynamic fidelity.

 

The NIAI LK1 Fanera would be interesting (interwar blended wing design with a U-2VS/Po-2 engine - several in service) ... but that is straying into civil aircraft... in which case an interwar glider sim would be pretty neat.

Edited November 15, 2022 by Avimimus

[Leftenant_Soap]

5 minutes ago, Avimimus said:

The NIAI LK1 Fanera

 

I saw something new today! I like it.

[Avimimus]

3 minutes ago, DD_Soapy said:

I saw something new today! I like it.

 

Glad I could bring something. It is an interesting design - an enclosed space with multiple passengers in a blended wing - and with essentially the same engine as the U-2VS! I'm still trying to figure out if the pilot could see out to the right at all by leaning (the engine doesn't go that far back). It would have had very good downward visibility for landing, but poor visibility to the right.

 

It was also briefly a movie star:

 

 

 

I was also surprised to see that video footage survives of the Salmson-Moineau SM.1:

 

[Eisenfaustus]

As I'm only flying SP I'd only buy planes I could fly there - and I'm now listing only planes I'd like to fly not those I might buy at some point to support the project.

 

Ju 87 B-2

Ju 87 D-5

Ju 188

Fw 189

Fw 190 A-9

Fi 156

Bf 109 G-10

Do 17

Do 217

 

For the Ta 152 H-1 I'd love if they made the same arrangement they made for the Fw 190 A-3: It actually fought tempests and spitfires so they could put a squadron on the Bodenplatte map.

 

There might be more I'd actually fly I just can't think of right now.

 

 

[WVS-TheMowe]

why don't ya just make Ur own

don't ya find singleplayer boring

repetitive 

don't you yearn for a little spontaneity?

like mp is as real as it can get

[SYN_Ricky]

Spitfire Mk.I or II

Spit Mk. IX early 1942-43 

Typhoon early model

Beaufighter Mk. VI

Blenheim Mk.IV

Mosquito Mk.IV 

B-25

B-26

P-38 G

Ju-87B

Bf-109 E3 or E4

Hs-123

Do-17

Macchi M.C.200

I-153

Yak-3

 

[sevenless]

Everything which fills existing gaps in the published modules and can be integrated into the career modes of the modules.

 

BoM:

- Stuka B2/R2

- I-153

- SB-2

- DB-3

- HS-123

 

BoS

- Yak 7B (bubbletop)

- IL-4

 

BoK

- Stuka D5

 

BoN

- Spitfire IXb (LF Mk IXc)

- Spitfire VII

- Spitfire VIII

- Mustang II/IIA

- A-20 G

- Mosquito B Mk IV/XVI

- Bf-109 G6/AS

 

BoBP

- P61 Black Widow

- A26 Invader

- Bf-109 G14/AS

- Bf-109 G10

- Fw-190 A9

- Fw-190 D11 / D13

[IckyATLAS]

I would love to have the Gloster Gladiator and the Fairey Swordfish with torpedo bombing capability.

It is a plane that was more from WWI era design but was so successful that it was active in whole WWII.

It would be a real fun to fly this plane. A combination of Circus and GB.

Edited November 17, 2022 by IckyATLAS

[sevenless]

That one would fit perfectly into a 1940/41 Greece/Crete module if they ever decide to do one.

[Strewth]

F4U (any)
F4F (any)
F6F (any)
Beaufighter (any)
Zero (any)
Kate (any}
etc, etc.

 

[sevenless]

On 11/8/2022 at 11:18 PM, 76IAP-Black said:

Add the BMW 801 and delete the gondola...

 

Was it even historic?

 

Yes. It was called Ju-88 S0, S1 and S2

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junkers_Ju_88#Ju_88S

Ju 88S[edit]

High-speed bomber series based on Ju 88 A-4 but with ventral Bola gondola omitted, smoothly glazed nose with radial-ribbed supports instead of the "beetle's eye" of the A-version, and GM-1nitrous-oxide boost, fastest of all variants.

Ju 88 S-0

Fitted with two BMW 801 G-2 engines, single 13 mm (0.512 in) dorsal gun and 14 SD65 65 kg (143 lb) bombs.

Ju 88 S-1

Fitted with two BMW 801 G-2 engines, the GM-1 boost system and could carry two SD1000 1,000 kg (2,200 lb) bombs externally.

Ju 88 S-2

Fitted with two turbocharged BMW 801J engines, wooden bomb bay extension as used on the Ju 88 A-15.

Ju 88 S-3

Fitted with two 1,671 kW (2,241 hp) Jumo 213A engines and GM-1 boost system.

http://www.aviation-history.com/junkers/ju88.html

Edited November 15, 2022 by sevenless

[Guster]

Spitfire Mk II(a/b)

Spitfire Mk IXb

Do 17 Z-2

Ju-87 B1/2

Tiger Moth

Boeing-Stearman

Tomahawk IIb/c

Macchi C.200

 

A small desert map.

[Tendo]

Gloster Meteor

M.S.406

Dewoitine D.520

N1K1-J/N1K2-J

Nakajima Ki-43

Nakajima Ki-44

Nakajima Ki-84

Kawasaki Ki-61

Edited November 15, 2022 by Tendo