WWII Aircraft Suggested Plane List

[Jackfraser24]

Sorry to keep going on about the Bf 110, but I think it would be great if they make more variants like the 

• Bf 110 C series
• Bf 110 D series
• Bf 110 F series.

I know they can’t say “let’s do a, b and c” and simply just do that. It takes a lot of time, money and resources to make. Still, fingers crossed…

 

Edited June 8, 2022 by Jackfraser24

[BraveSirRobin]

There is very little chance of more early war east front modules.  They already did 3 modules and had to follow that with a bunch of uber west front aircraft to save the franchise.

 

2 hours ago, Jackfraser24 said:

I still think the Bf 110 would be nice for the Eastern Front like the 

• Bf 110 C4 or 7
• Bf 110 D series

 

[Jackfraser24]

Bell P-63 King Cobra

[Jackfraser24]

The Ju 188 and the He 177 is a must for Bodenplatte and Normandy.

Edited July 21, 2022 by Jackfraser24

[Jackfraser24]

The Fw-190 A-4 as a collector plane would be useful to have in Stalingrad and Kuban.

[Jackfraser24]

27 minutes ago, Jackfraser24 said:

The Ju 188 and the He 177 is a must for Bodenplatte and Normandy.

The 177 was used in Operation Steinbock in small numbers. If Normandy includes the Baby Blitz, both might be useful there. In Bodenplatte, they could be used to replace the He-111 H-16 and Ju-88 A-4 in AQMB and Pilot Career as more contemporary bombers for 1944-45. We need more bombers!!!

[LukeFF]

25 minutes ago, Jackfraser24 said:

The Fw-190 A-4 as a collector plane would be useful to have in Stalingrad and Kuban.

 

Precisely 0 Fw 190s were at Stalingrad; the A-3 is only there to let the players who bought it as part of the Stalingrad package have a place to fly it in career mode.

[IVJG4-Knight]

On 6/2/2022 at 1:39 AM, dogefighter said:

300 He 162s produced, of which 120 delivered. And out of those 120, only a handful actually flew due to lack of fuel and pilots. Compared to 1000 XIVs produced in total, flying operational sorties from Jan 44 till end of the war. Equating them is just dumb.

If you introduce a game with low fuel ,low apare parts anf 20 to one odds nobody would play it . So stop the pointles fanboy speech insults .

Some people like rare planes specifically because of their rarety .

 

 

[CountZero]

35 minutes ago, IVJG4-Knight said:

If you introduce a game with low fuel ,low apare parts anf 20 to one odds nobody would play it . So stop the pointles fanboy speech insults .

Some people like rare planes specifically because of their rarety .

 

 

Oh yes ppl like ar-234b2 with 2x20mm gunpod because it was rare, same with Tempest 11lbs ... Nothing to do with performance boost compared to other airplanes... or game play gains... thats why MC.202 is so liked as rare airplane when its in same planset with 109E7...

 

People wont certen rare airplanes in game because they have papar performance without real world problems... no one is asking for some poor performance rare airplane, and devs would not make it as it would not sell, hence we get another Spitfire XIV insted some more important airplane for BoN or Bobp used by more squads and could be longer in campaigns.

And thats why jet bomber airplane get gunpods that he used 1-2 times maybe, its not because its some rare kink, its because its usefule gamey thing.

 

 

[Enceladus828]

8 hours ago, LukeFF said:

Precisely 0 Fw 190s were at Stalingrad

Yeah that was an unwise decision by the devs back then as they could have instead made the IAR 80. But adding the MC. 202 for BOM was far worse as the 202 was never at Moscow and only did 17 sorties at Stalingrad before being withdrawn. If the devs wanted to add an Italian bird they should have made the C.200 which saw far more action on the Eastern front. If 15 planes can be made per installment (not including modifications) then the 190 and C.202 would be nice additions, but since that’s not the case and only 10 planes can be built, adding these two was unwise.

 

My theory with the C.202 is that Albert, aka LOFT, had a tentative plan to go to the Mediterranean after BOM or BoK, but with Jason becoming the Executive Producer after BoM, that was changed. And for the better. With Jason, decisions like this are unlikely to happen again.

 

No offence here.

[Jackfraser24]

15 hours ago, LukeFF said:

 

Precisely 0 Fw 190s were at Stalingrad; the A-3 is only there to let the players who bought it as part of the Stalingrad package have a place to fly it in career mode.

I thought the Pilot Career was historically accurate through painstaking efforts to find historical references. Interesting…

[LukeFF]

1 hour ago, Jackfraser24 said:

I thought the Pilot Career was historically accurate through painstaking efforts to find historical references. Interesting…

 

It is - you'll only see Fw 190s if you fly for the one unit that has them on the map. Otherwise, they will never be seen.

[Jackfraser24]

5 hours ago, LukeFF said:

 

It is - you'll only see Fw 190s if you fly for the one unit that has them on the map. Otherwise, they will never be seen.

For Moscow, there should have been a Curtiss Tomahawk Mk.II instead of the P-40 E. I still hope it comes through eventually, and the Ju 87 B-2 as well.

[the_emperor]

On 7/21/2022 at 5:00 AM, Jackfraser24 said:

He 177 is a must for Bodenplatte and Normandy

 

No chance. The DB610 engine of the later He-177 were two DB605As bolted together and it had some reliability issues, nonetheless it got 3 min of WEP per manual,

while the later DB605As of the Bf 109s are still stuck with 1min WEP...that would mean they would first have to correct that issue (known and proven since 2018).

Sorry, couldnt help myself ? 

But a Ju-188 would be fantastic. These two Jumo-Engines make that one really fast, and since defensive gunners became useless, speed is currently all we got.

Cheers

[Jackfraser24]

2 hours ago, the_emperor said:

 

No chance. The DB610 engine of the later He-177 were two DB605As bolted together and it had some reliability issues, nonetheless it got 3 min of WEP per manual,

while the later DB605As of the Bf 109s are still stuck with 1min WEP...that would mean they would first have to correct that issue (known and proven since 2018).

Sorry, couldnt help myself ? 

But a Ju-188 would be fantastic. These two Jumo-Engines make that one really fast, and since defensive gunners became useless, speed is currently all we got.

Cheers

That’s ok. Hitler asked far too much of the aircraft. He even wanted it to be used as a dive bomber! He wanted it to have two engines instead of four for aerodynamic efficiency. That was too much to ask for since there were no engines powerful enough for a plane that big to be powered by only two engines. So it was decided that there would be two separate engines working together to power one propeller, each. So it may have well have had four engines, and should have been designed only as a strategic bomber. Out of the 1,100+ that were built, only a minor fraction saw operational service. It could have been really useful, but it wouldn’t have changed the course of WWII. 
 

 

Edited July 22, 2022 by Jackfraser24

[Avimimus]

On 7/20/2022 at 11:35 PM, Jackfraser24 said:

The 177 was used in Operation Steinbock in small numbers. If Normandy includes the Baby Blitz, both might be useful there. In Bodenplatte, they could be used to replace the He-111 H-16 and Ju-88 A-4 in AQMB and Pilot Career as more contemporary bombers for 1944-45. We need more bombers!!!

 

If the goal is to extend into 1945 then the Ju-188 (and other Ju-88 variants) would be what you want. I gather that the the He-177 and the Do-217E/K/M were withdrawn in the second half of 1944 (based on the unit rosters).

 

However, if the goal is expanding the existing 1942-1944 planeset then a Do-217E or He-177 would make sense.

 

[Jackfraser24]

5 hours ago, Avimimus said:

 

If the goal is to extend into 1945 then the Ju-188 (and other Ju-88 variants) would be what you want. I gather that the the He-177 and the Do-217E/K/M were withdrawn in the second half of 1944 (based on the unit rosters).

 

However, if the goal is expanding the existing 1942-1944 planeset then a Do-217E or He-177 would make sense.

 

What time period will Normandy cover? Say for example from January 1943 to August 1944.

[Jackfraser24]

Ilyushin IL-4

 

Why it should be in the game

• Most produced Soviet medium bomber of the war (5,200+)
• The IL-4 proved to be a reliable twin engined bomber
• Well liked by VVS air crew due to its toughness and good quality
• Has a ceiling of 7,000 metres
• Able to withstand attacks from German fighters and anti-aircraft weapons while flying only on one engine
• Has a maximum payload of 2,600 kg
• Can carry torpedos - would be great in Kuban

Edited July 26, 2022 by Jackfraser24

[ITAF_Rani]

Italian planes pls ...this is the time !!

[Jackfraser24]

8 hours ago, ITAF_Rani said:

Italian planes pls ...this is the time !!

• Maachi 200
• Maachi 205
• Fiat G.50
• Fiat G.55
• R.E 2005

[Jackfraser24]

Why the Me-210 should be done

• Would appeal to Me 110/210/410 fans
• Would appeal to Hungarian players (especially if the pilots spoke Hungarian)
• Would be great to see where the impending Me-410 was developed from, and why the 410 was made
• IL-2 1946 had a non flyable Me-210 (without a modification), all the more reason to be in Great Battles
• Would be useful in Eastern Front modules from 1942 and later in the Royal Hungarian Air Force
• Would fill the evolutionary gap from the Me 110 and Me 410
• Terrible aircraft at first, but went through a period of significant improvements like altering the airframe to help mitigate instability and handling difficulties 
• You’d feel good about yourself once you become good at flying a death trap 

Edited July 28, 2022 by Jackfraser24

[Enceladus828]

17 minutes ago, Jackfraser24 said:

Why the Me-210 should be done

• Would appeal to Me 110/210/410 fans
• Would appeal to Hungarian players (especially if the pilots spoke Hungarian)
• Would be great to see where the impending Me-410 was developed from, and why the 410 was made
• IL-2 1946 had a non flyable Me-210 (without a modification), all the more reason to be in Great Battles
• Would be useful in Eastern Front modules from 1942 and later in the Royal Hungarian Air Force
• Would fill the evolutionary gap from the Me 110 and Me 410
• Terrible aircraft at first, but went through a period of significant improvements like altering the airframe to help mitigate instability and handling difficulties 
• You’d feel good about yourself once you become good at flying a death trap 

 

You have a lot of great points here about why the Me-210 should be included, but unfortunately most people here would be more interested in flying a lot of other planes such as the Ju-188, Hs-123, Ju-87B-2 and D-5, Pe-3 and the IL-4.

[Jackfraser24]

Why the Macchi 200 should be made

• Four squadrons (51 units) were sent to the USSR in September 1941 (more than the Macchi 202)
• Between 1941-42 they had a shoot down ratio of 88:15
• used on Eastern Front between August 1941 to January 1943
• Good climb rate
• Dive speed threshold of 805 km/h without flutter or elastic deformities 
• Open cockpit was chosen over fully glazed because that’s what the pilots wanted after flying biplanes beforehand
• Can carry eight 15kg bombs, or two 50kg bombs, or one 100kg bomb or one 150kg bomb
• Equipped with two 12.7mm SAFAT machine guns containing 310 or 370 rounds
• Top Speed of 504 km/h, range of 570 km, stall speed of 128 km/h

Not outstanding but not bad if you know how to use it

[Jackfraser24]

Why the He-111 H-2 should be passed for consideration

• The H-2 would be useful at Moscow and Stalingrad to complement the later H-6 model.
• The H-2 would create new pilot careers in Moscow and Stalingrad.
• The many Bf-109s and Fw-190s in the game kind of represents the evolution of the types. I’m not saying we should add the H-2 for the sake of showing off the evolution of the He-111, but I think people would be interested in flying a H-2 model that flew in both the Battle of Britain and the earlier parts of the Eastern Front. 
• Would be be as well liked as the He-111 H-6 since it can fly long distances, and offers a wide field of vision to pilots and gunners alike.

[LukeFF]

38 minutes ago, Jackfraser24 said:

Why the He-111 H-2 should be passed for consideration

• The H-2 would be useful at Moscow and Stalingrad to complement the later H-6 model.
• The H-2 would create new pilot careers in Moscow and Stalingrad.
• The many Bf-109s and Fw-190s in the game kind of represents the evolution of the types. I’m not saying we should add the H-2 for the sake of showing off the evolution of the He-111, but I think people would be interested in flying a H-2 model that flew in both the Battle of Britain and the earlier parts of the Eastern Front. 
• Would be be as well liked as the He-111 H-6 since it can fly long distances, and offers a wide field of vision to pilots and gunners alike.

 

Sorry, I don't want to be that guy again, but there were 0 H-2s at Stalingrad, so it would be only be useful on the Moscow map for a short period of time before being replaced by the H-6.

[Jackfraser24]

48 minutes ago, LukeFF said:

 

Sorry, I don't want to be that guy again, but there were 0 H-2s at Stalingrad, so it would be only be useful on the Moscow map for a short period of time before being replaced by the H-6.

That’s okay. If you don’t say, I’ll never know

 

Edited August 2, 2022 by Jackfraser24

[Jackfraser24]

Why the Ju-87 B-2 should be done.

• Many Stuka fans really want this Ju-87 model to be done.
• Many air forces used this variant: Luftwaffe, Regia Aeronautica, and Hungarian, Romanian and Bulgarian Air Forces (sorry if I have missed out any other Air Force worth mentioning).
• Would complement the D-3 at Stalingrad.
• The B-2 could come with the R Variant, like the Fw-190 A-8 came with the F and G models.
• The B-2 would create more pilot career missions for Moscow, Stalingrad, maybe Kuban.
• Would be the only available Ju-87 for a Moscow pilot career because the D series came in the following year.
• A little more devolved from the D-3, being an earlier model. All the more intriguing to fly.

[Jackfraser24]

Why the A-20G (1943) should be passed for consideration.

• Would especially appeal to Havoc fans.
• The A-20G is an aircraft desired by many to be made.
• Could be used as a conventional bomber, dive bomber, torpedo bomber or a ground attack aircraft.
• Thick armour - can take a good beating.
• Good range (1,650 km/1,025 miles).
• We need more types of bombers.
• The aircraft be easier and less time consuming to make since they’d be basing it off the A-20B.
• Top speed of 510km/h.
• Can carry 1,800+kg of bombs (~4,000lbs).
• Used by a variety of countries like Britain and America, as well as by the Soviet Union, Canada, Brazil, The Netherlands  Australia and New Zealand. Lots of air forces and skins to choose from.
• Would be useful in Kuban, Normandy and Bodenplatte. 
• The A-20G would create extra pilot career missions or replace the earlier A-20B in some others.

[Jackfraser24]

Why the Hs-129 B-3 should be passed for consideration.

• Would appeal to Hs 129 fans.
• Would appeal to people who just want to strafe with an anti tank gun.
• Hs-129 B-3 would have a historic relevancy if Jason Williams decides to do a late war Eastern Front battle (1944-45). They were used to destroy ground targets like tanks.
• Would help complement the existing Hs-129 B-2 and Fw-190 A-8 as a 1944-45 ground attack plane.
• Could destroy anything on the ground, even with the best armoured protection.
• Your pilot is well protected since the cockpit is heavily armoured.
• Quite a challenging plane with many disadvantages like poor field of vision, heavy and sluggish to fly, etc. Who doesn’t love a challenge?
• Only 25 Hs-129 B-3/WA’s were built, so even though it might just be a filler, it still played an important role in ground attack operations to the very end. 

[gimpy117]

I can agree that a later A-20 and an IL-4 are must haves. that being said, I's also want to see a wellington but that's maybe not as relevant as a Beaufort 

Edited August 6, 2022 by gimpy117

[Jackfraser24]

Here is the IL-2 Ultimate Edition Plane list. Flyable and un-flyable. 
 

Allies (Flyable)

• A-20C, 1941
• A-20G, 1943
• B-25J-1NA, 1944
• Beaufighter Mk.21, 1944
• BI-1, 1942
• BI-6, 1942
• Buffalo Mk.I, 1941
• CW-21B, 1940
• F2A-2, 1941
• F4F-3, 1941
• F4F-4, 1942
• FM-2, 1943
• F4U-1A, 1943
• F4U-1C, 1945
• F4U-1D, 1944
• Corsair Mk.I, 1943
• Corsair Mk.II, 1943
• Corsair Mk.IV, 1944
• F6F-3 Late, 1943
• F6F-5, 1944
• Hurricane Mk.IIb, 1940
• Hurricane Mk.IIc, 1941
• Hurricane Mk.II field mod
• I-15bis, 1937
• I-15bis (skis), 1937
• I-153 M-62, 1939
• I-153P, 1939
• I-16 Type 5, 1935
• I-16 Type 5 (SPB), 1938
• I-16 Type 5 (skis), 1935
• I-16 Type 6, 1937
• I-16 Type 6 (skis), 1937
• I-16 Type 18, 1939
• I-16 Type 24, 1939
• I-16 Type 24 (SPB), 1939
• I-185 M-71, 1942
• I-185 M-82A, 1942
• I-250, 1946
• IL-2, 1941 (1 series)
• IL-2, 1941 (2 series)
• IL-2, 1941 (3 series)
• IL-2 field mod
• IL-2I, 1943
• IL-2M, 1942 (first series)
• IL-2M, 1942 (later series)
• IL-2T, 1943
• IL-2 Type 3, 1943
• IL-2, Type 3M, 1943
• IL-4, 1942
• IL-10, 1945
• LaGG-3, 1941 (4 series)
• LaGG-3, 1942 (29 series)
• LaGG-3, 1942 (35 series)
• LaGG-3 IT, 1943
• LaGG-3, 1943 (66 series)
• LaGG-3 RD, 1944
• La-5, 1942
• La-5F, 1943
• La-5FN, 1943
• La-7, 1944
• La-7 3xB-20, 1944
• La-7R, 1945
• MiG-3, 1940
• MiG-3ud, 1941
• MiG-3 2xUB, 1941
• MiG-3 2xshVAK, 1941
• MiG-3 AM-38, 1941
• MiG-3U, 1942
• MiG-9 (I-300), 1946
• MiG-9FS, 1946
• Mosquito FB.Mk.VI, 1943
• Mosquito FB.Mk.XVIII, 1943
• P.11c, 1939
• P-38J, 1943
• P-38L, 1944
• P-38L Late, 1944
• P-400, 1941
• P-39 D-1, 1941
• P-39 D-2, 1941
• P-39, N-1, 1942
• P-39 Q-1, 1944
• P-39 Q-10, 1944
• Hawk 81 A-2, 1941
• P-40B, 1941
• P-40C, 1941
• Tomahawk Mk.IIa, 1941
• Tomahawk Mk.IIb, 1941
• P-40E, 1941
• P-40E M-105 field mod
• P-40M, 1942
• P-47 D-10, 1943
• P-47 D-22, 1943
• P-47 D-27, 1944
• P-47 D (unspecified sub-variant), 1944
• P-51 B-NA, 1943
• P-51 C-NT, 1943
• P-51 D-5NT, 1944
• P-51 D-20NA, 1944
• Mustang Mk.III, 1944
• P-63 C-5, 1944
• Pe-2, 1940 (1 series)
• Pe-2, 1942 (84 series)
• Pe-2, 1942 (110 series)
• Pe-2, 1944 (359 series)
• Pe-3, 1941
• Pe-3 bis, 1941
• Pe-8, 1940
• SBD-3, 1942
• SPD-5, 1943
• Seafire L Mk.III 1943
• Seafire F Mk.III  1943
• Spitfire F Mk.Vb early, 1941
• Spitfire F Mk.Vb, 1941
• Spitfire F Mk.Vb, 1942
• Spitfire F Mk.Vb CW, 1943
• Spitfire LF Mk.Vb, 1942
• Spitfire LF Mk.Vb CW, 1943
• Spitfire F Mk.Vb Merlin46, 1942
• Spitfire F Mk.Vc(2) trop, early 1942
• Spitfire F Mk.Vc(2) trop, 1942
• Spitfire F Mk.Vc(4) trop, early 1942
• Spitfire LF Mk.VIII, 1943
• Spitfire LF Mk.VIII CW, 1943
• Spitfire F Mk.IXc, 1942
• Spitfire F Mk.IXc, 1943
• Spitfire LF Mk.IXc, 1943
• Spitfire LF Mk.IXc CW, 1943
• Spitfire HF Mk.IXc, 1944
• Spitfire LF Mk.IXe, 1944
• Spitfire LF Mk.IXc CW 25lbs, 1944
• Spitfire LF Mk.IXe CW 25lbs, 1944
• Tempest Mk.V, 1944
• TB-3 4M-17, 1933
• TB-3 4M-34R, 1933
• TB-3 4M-34R (SPB)
• TB-7 M-40F, 1940
• Yak-1, 1941
• Yak-1b, 1942
• Yak-3, 1944
• Yak-3P, 1945
• Yak-3 VK-107, 1945
• Yak-3R, 1944
• Yak-7A, 1941
• Yak-7B, 1941
• Yak-9, 1942
• Yak-9B, 1944
• Yak-9D, 1943
• Yak-9M, 1944
• Yak-9K, 1944
• Yak-9T, 1943
• Yak-9U, 1944
• Yak-9UT, 1945

Un-flyable

• B-17 D, 1941
• B-17 E, 1941
• B-17 F, 1942
• B-17 G, 1943
• B-24 J-100CF, 1943
• B-29, 1944
• B-25 C-25NA, 1943
• B-25 G-1NA, 1943
• B-25 H-1NA, 1943
• Blenheim Mk.IV
• C-47, 1941
• DB-3b, 1936
• DB-3m, 1939
• DB-3t, 1939
• DB-3f, 1941
• IK-3, 1941
• Li-2, 1939
• MBR-2 AM-34, 1937
• Hawk 75 A-3, 1939
• Hawk 75, A-4, 1939
• R-5, 1931
• R-10, 1940
• Su-2, 1941
• Swordfish Mk.I, 1936
• TBD-1, 1937
• TBF-1, 1942
• TBF-1C, 1943
• TMB-3, 1943
• Avenger Mk.III, 1944
• Tu-2S

Axis

• A6M2, 1940
• A6M2-21, 1941
• A6M2-N, 1942
• A6M3, 1942
• A6M5, 1943
• A6M5a, 1944
• A6M5b, 1944
• A6M5c, 1944
• A6M7-62, 1945
• A6M7-63, 1945
• Ar-234 B-2/Ipr, 1944
• B-239, 1940
• B-534-IV, 1937
• Bf-109 E-4, 1940
• Bf-109 E-4/B, 1940
• Bf-109 E-7/B, 1941
• Bf-109 E-7Z, 1941
• Bf-109 F-2, 1941
• Bf-109 F-4, 1941
• Bf-109 G-2, 1942
• Bf-109 G-6, 1943
• Bf-109 G-6 late, 1943
• Bf-109 G-6/AS, 1944
• Bf-109 G-10, 1944
• Bf-109 G-14, 1944
• Bf-109 K-4, 1944
• Bf-109 K-4 C3, 1945
• Bf-109 Z, 1944
• Bf-110 G-2
• CR.42, 1939
• D.XXI sarja 3 Early, 1939
• D.XXI sarja 3 Late, 1941
• D3A1, 1940
• Do-335 A-0, 1944
• Do-335 V-13, 1946
• Fw-190 A-4, 1942
• Fw-190 A-4 1.42 Ata, 1942
• Fw-190 A-5, 1943
• Fw-190 A-5 1.65 Ata, 1943
• Fw-190 A-6, 1943
• Fw-190 A-8, 1944
• Fw-190 A-9, 1944
• Fw-190 D-9, 1944
• Fw-190 D-9, 1945
• Fw-190 F-8, 1944
• G.50, 1938
• G4M1-11, 1941
• Go-229 A-1, 1945
• He-111 H-2, 1939
• He-111 H-6, 1941
• He-111 H-12, 1942
• He-162 A-2, 1945
• He-162C, 1946
• He-162D, 1946
• Heinkel Lerche III B-2, 1946
• Hurricane Mk.I (The Finnish used them.)
• Hs-129 B-2, 1942
• Hs-129 B-3/WA, 1944
• I.A.R. 80, 1940
• I.A.R. 81a, 1940
• I.A.R. 81c, 1940
• J2M3, 1944
• J2M5, 1944
• J8A, 1937
• Ju-87 B-2, 1940
• Ju-87 D-3, 1942
• Ju-87 D-5, 1943
• Ju-87 G-1, 1943
• Ju-88 A-4, 1941
• Ju-88 A-4/Torp, 1942
• Ju-88 A-17, 1943
• Ki-27 Ko, 1938
• Ki-27 Otsu, 1938
• Ki-43 Ia, 1941
• Ki-43 Ib, 1941
• Ki-43 Ic, 1941
• Ki-43 II, 1942
• Ki-43 II Kai, 1943
• Ki-61 I Ko, 1942
• Ki-61 I Hei, 1944
• Ki-61 I Otsu, 1943
• Ki-84 Ia, 1944
• Ki-84 Ib, 1944
• Ki-84 Ic, 1945
• Ki-100 I Ko
• Mc.200 Serie III 1940
• Mc.200 Serie VII 1941
• Mc.200 Serie VII FB, 1941
• Mc.202 Serie III, 1941
• Mc.202 Serie VII, 1942
• Mc.202 Serie XII, 1943
• Mc.205 V Serie I, 1943
• Mc.205 V Serie III, 1943
• Me-163 B-1a, 1944
• Me-262 A-1a, 1944
• Me-262 A-1a/U4, 1945
• Me-262 A-2a, 1944
• Me-262 HG-II, 1946
• N1K2-Ja, 1944
• Re.2000, 1940
• SM.79, 1936
• Ta-152 C, 1945
• Ta-152 H-1, 1945
• Ta-183, 1946

Un-flyable

• Ar-196 A-3, 1938
• B5N2, 1939
• B6N2, 1944
• Bf-110 C-4, 1940
• Bf-110 C-4/B
• Blenheim Mk.I (Finnish), 1937
• CANT Z.506B, 1939
• CANT Z.1007bis, 1940
• Do-217 K-1, 1942
• Do-217 K-2, 1943
• Fi-156, 1939
• Fw-189 A-2, 1941
• Fw-200 C-3/U4, 1941
• G.55 Serie I, 1943
• G.55 Serie I Late, 1944
• G.55 Sottoserie 0, 1943
• G.55 Sottoserie 0 Late, 1943
• G4M2E, 1945
• Gladiator Mk.I (Finnish), 1937
• Gladiator Mk.II, 1938
• H8K1, 1942
• He-111 Z Zwilling, 1942
• Hs-123 A-1, 1936
• Hs-123 B-1, 1936
• J8A, 1937 (Swedish built Gladiator)
• Ju-52/3mg4e, 1937
• Ju-52/3mg5e, 1939
• Ki-21-I, 1938
• Ki-21-II, 1940
• Ki-45 Kai Hei, 1943
• Ki-45 Kai Tei, 1944
• Ki-46-III Kai, 1944
• Ki-46-III Kai Otsu, 1945
• Ki-46-III Recce, 1943
• L2D, 1941 (Japanese built C-47)
• Me-210 Ca-1, 1943
• Me-210 Ca-1 Zerstörer
• Me-321, 1941
• Me-323, 1942
• M.S.406, 1936
• M.S.410, 1938
• Mörkö Morane, 1944
• MXY7-11, 1945
• Re.2002, 1943
• S-328-II, 1936

Edited August 17, 2022 by Jackfraser24

[Stab./JG3_Hartmann]

On 8/23/2021 at 11:11 PM, AndyJWest said:

They don't seem to be as well documented as some of the other Luftwaffe aircraft, and neither is there much in the way of surviving hardware. Still possible though, I suppose. I'd certainly buy either, without hesitation.

Sorry to hijack an old thread but: 
 

There are still drawings and everything left and even a complete instrument board and other stuff of a Do 217 is on display in Friedrichshafen, Germany where Dornier had it‘s base.

 

And imho it would be a better option than a Ju 188 simply because it would bring more new stuff than just a slightly upgraded Ju 88 with no real benefits other than a different cockpit and wing Lay-out while the Do 217 would have more payload, an equally good defensive armament and would be even a bit faster in most cases.

[Avimimus]

10 hours ago, Stab./JG3_Hartmann said:

And imho it would be a better option than a Ju 188 simply because it would bring more new stuff than just a slightly upgraded Ju 88 with no real benefits other than a different cockpit and wing Lay-out while the Do 217 would have more payload, an equally good defensive armament and would be even a bit faster in most cases.

 

Yes, but what a cockpit layout!!

 

As for your other comments - the Do-217 wins in terms of bombload (especially internal bomb load), but it is worse in terms of defensive armament. If we look at the defensive armament of each variant we see the following:

 

 

The big difference is that the Ju-188 has two dorsal turrets - one of which can carry an Mg-151/20 automatic cannon. The front gun could also be upgraded to be an Mg-151/20 (if it wasn't removed entirely) and the ventral gun could be upgraded to be an Mg-131. It had three defensive reward facing gunner positions, and at maximum it could carry 2x13mm and 2x20mm cannons in four turrets.

 

Compare this to a late war Do-217K (or M) which could upgrade its ventral Mg-81z to be an Mg-131, thus giving it 2xMg-131 and 1xMg81z (flexible forward firing). In other words, 2x7.92mm and 2x13mm.

 

The mid-war Do-217E sometimes only carried 7.92mm guns as its defensive armament. However, some subversions could be upgraded to have two Mg131 13mm guns for defensive (and sometimes retaining 7.92mm guns to fire out the side windows). Where it really shines is offensive armament - with the possibility to carry both a Flexible MG-FF 20mm cannon and a fixed MG-151/15 15mm cannon.

 

So if you want to strafe the Do-217E is better but if you want defensive guns then the Ju-188 provides a second dorsal turret (similar to a Tu-2 and with significantly more firepower than a Pe-2).

 

Note: These charts are in Joules per five second burst. If one were to include the explosive component of the rounds the cannons do much better. So these charts actually understate the difference in firepower.

Edited August 20, 2022 by Avimimus

[FliegerAD]

Such a beautiful aircraft with the completely glazed, stepless cockpit:

 

 

 

[Avimimus]

Note: There is an issue with the graph I posted in that it showed typical armaments - and the ventral gun on the Ju-188E can be as powerful as that on the Do-217.

 

Either would be a great aircraft to have though. I wish the Do-217 was better documented actually. It is a shame that so many captured examples were briefly studied and then scrapped without preservation or sufficient documentation! It'd be pretty cool to have either aircraft to be honest.

 

Although I'd prefer the earlier Do 217E as it could be used from 1941 to the end of 1944 (whereas the K and M variants are later)... although I do like cockpit glazing - I'd definitely favour the Ju-188's cockpit layout. So in a perfect world I'd probably go for both a Do-217E and a Ju-188

[CUJO_1970]

1 hour ago, Avimimus said:

I wish the Do-217 was better documented actually.

 

Other than a complete extant aircraft, I'm not sure what would be missing?

 

There are blueprints, as well as engine data, manuals, flight test reports - there is also an interesting RAE report on the 801 as installed on the Dornier. Virtually certain every cockpit instrument has a photograph of it removed from the aircraft as well.

 

 

 

Edited August 22, 2022 by CUJO_1970

[sevenless]

So we still have a lot of potential in the 1943-1945 axis twin engined bomber department. Do 217 E, M or K or Ju 188 A2, E1, D2, F1 or F2. Looks like they wont run out of options anytime soon. Even modelling Fritz-X or Hs-293 would make a lot of sense once/if anti-shipping gets more fleshed out.

Edited August 22, 2022 by sevenless

[Jackfraser24]

Why the P-38L should be in the game.

• Would appeal to P-38 Lightning fans who want to see earlier or later versions of the P-38 other than the P-38J-25.
• The P-38L would have a purpose in Bodenplatte being a career plane option because it was a contemporary plane at that time (later half of 1944).
• The P-38L was the most numerous variant, with way more built than the J (3,800+ vs ~2,970 respectively).
• The P-38 L-5 was the most common sub-variant.
• Equiped with air-brakes.
• Avionics are controlled via hydraulics rather than by cable wire (one benefit is having a faster rate of role).
• Machine guns are loaded with lots of ammunition (2,000 rounds). Cannons are loaded with 150 shells).

[SidtheGit]

Perhaps the new profile setup will help with setting the 52 up now. It really is a fun plane to fly. Working out the flaps system was a 'lightbulb' moment for me....on take off and landing, set the trim to about 2 degrees and engage the flaps down button. This links the flaps to the trim wheel and you can set the degrees of flap you want using the trim wheel. Makes for great STOL landings and take offs when doing those supply runs in remote areas. When in the air, disengage the flaps using flaps up button and use trim as normal. 

[Jackfraser24]

Why the Fw-190 A-4 should be in the game.

• Would be useful in Kuban alongside the Fw-190 A-5.
• Very powerful firepower. 
• Engine not prone to overheating at full power (still can happen though).
• 975 units were produced between 1942-43.
• Can be fitted with rocket mortars, bomb racks, cameras (recon), and can be used as a long range fighter bomber.
• Was in the original IL-2 1946. 
• Adding the A-4 would make way for more career missions.