WWII Aircraft Suggested Plane List

[Avimimus]

5 hours ago, Yogiflight said:

That is exactly the problem. Nothing against the Pe-3, it also would be a nice to have, but it is even less of real bomber than the Pe-2, which is more a dive bomber. This was the reason, I suggested the Il-4 or DB-3.

 

I agree. With the minor caveat that the Russian high-speed bombers were originally designed around 6x100kg internal bomb-load, with the Pe-2 carrying the same weapon load as the SB-2. Performance was valued over war-load for these aircraft.

 

I agree that the Il-4 would give the Soviets a medium bomber with a more useful weapons load. It is also a pretty charming aircraft in Il-2 1946. As mentioned though - I think there aren't any airfields for it on our existing maps, and only a couple of targets - so some purists might object. Maybe it'd be suitable for a '45 East or Leningrad scenario though?

 

That said, the Il-4 at least fits with the time-frame for every module (except possibly Moscow depending on the subvariant) and is slow enough for the Ju-88C6 to catch it in addition to having a heavy bomb/torpedo load. In contrast, the Tu-2 is very fast and only suitable for some later modules.

[FliegerAD]

I consider the Pe-3 more of a heavy fighter anyway, albeit one that would not do too well.

 

For a dedicated bomber, other choices are certainly superior in that they offer greater variety to what we already have (Pe-2). I like the looks of the Il-4, and although I would  not fly it often, I would fly it nonetheless.

[LukeFF]

3 hours ago, Avimimus said:

SB-2

 

There was no such thing as the SB-2. It was the Tupolev SB, fitted with a variety of engines.

Edited April 26, 2022 by LukeFF

[ATAG_SKUD]

On 4/25/2022 at 8:33 AM, CountZero said:

IL-2 Tobruk have it, clikable switches, even real bombsight insted arcade ones we have here, and all that and no one plays with it... 

I fly Tobruk in their 88 and its a blast. True blind flying with proper tuneable nav beacons, real navigation and short range runway ILS. Way more realistic bombsight look and operation. Higher control complexity. Its lots of more work than flying a BoX 88 and a much deeper learning curve too. But it might not be for everyone for those same reasons.  Its curious that some pilots on this forum scoff at WT for being an arcade game without realizing how far this sim is from real flying.

I think the issue with lack of bomber pilots in Tobruk is because its still maturing and there isn't alot for a bomber to do in multiplayer ATM. A lot of features are not utilized on most multiplayer maps. I would love to have the features found in Tobruk bombers combined with the loaded servers like we have now with BoX, full of targets like Finnish or Combat Box. I hear Storm of War will be coming to Tobruk. It may be the kick it needs to get rolling.

 

skud

Edited April 27, 2022 by ATAG_SKUD

[-=PHX=-SuperEtendard]

Pacific and Tupolev SB ?

[Alexmarine]

25 minutes ago, -=PHX=-SuperEtendard said:

Pacific and Tupolev SB ?

 

[Jackfraser24]

What about the Focke Wulf Fw 200 Condor? Would that be worthwhile having in the game? It would give players a taste of what it was to fly a four engined bomber.

[Jackfraser24]

I think there needs to be more He 111 variants like the 

• He 111 H1  
• He 111 H2 
• He 111 H3 
• He 111 H4 
• He 111 H5 
• He 111 H7 
• He 111 H8 
• He 111 H9 
• He 111 H10 
• He 111 H11 
• He 111 H12 
• He 111 H14 
• He 111 H15 
• He 111 H18 
• He 111 H20 
• He 111 H21
• He 111 H22 
• He 111 H23 

[Jackfraser24]

1 hour ago, Jackfraser24 said:

I think there needs to be more He 111 variants like the 

• He 111 H1  
• He 111 H2 
• He 111 H3 
• He 111 H4 
• He 111 H5 
• He 111 H7 
• He 111 H8 
• He 111 H9 
• He 111 H10 
• He 111 H11 
• He 111 H12 
• He 111 H14 
• He 111 H15 
• He 111 H18 
• He 111 H20 
• He 111 H21
• He 111 H22 
• He 111 H23 

Not all of them of course!!!

[Enceladus828]

10 hours ago, ATAG_SKUD said:

I fly Tobruk in their 88 and its a blast. True blind flying with proper tuneable nav beacons, real navigation and short range runway ILS. Way more realistic bombsight look and operation. Higher control complexity. Its lots of more work than flying a BoX 88 and a much deeper learning curve too. But it might not be for everyone for those same reasons.  Its curious that some pilots on this forum scoff at WT for being an arcade game without realizing how far this sim is from real flying.

I think the issue with lack of bomber pilots in Tobruk is because its still maturing and there isn't alot for a bomber to do in multiplayer ATM. A lot of features are not utilized on most multiplayer maps. I would love to have the features found in Tobruk bombers combined with the loaded servers like we have now with BoX, full of targets like Finnish or Combat Box. I hear Storm of War will be coming to Tobruk. It may be the kick it needs to get rolling.

 

skud

I'm currently in a position where I can only play CloD on my laptop and only fly bombers as I can't hook up a Joystick to my laptop.

Almost every time I play CloD I put the Autopilot on and fly the Wellington, Blenheim, or BR.20, go to the bombardier position, plug in the parameters, open the bomb bay doors and then drop the bombs.

I have difficulty with the bombsight on the Ju-88s and He-111s as I don't know how much to angle the bombsight down.

 

For the bombsights in BoX/GBs, I hope that the devs can make them like they are in IL-2 1946/CloD where you need to go to the gunner who was also the bombardier -- Nose Gunner on He-111 and Ju-88, Top Gunner on Pe-2 -- to activate the bombsight and not from the pilot position (only applicable on the Arado 234 and the A-20B until the Navigator position is modelled).

There are some MP scenarios where you can fly the He-111H-6 and the Wellington Torpedo version and torpedo enemy ships. I do that a lot when I go on MP.

[ATAG_SKUD]

1 hour ago, Enceladus said:

I have difficulty with the bombsight on the Ju-88s and He-111s as I don't know how much to angle the bombsight down.

I went through the same learning curve. See this thread  in ATAG for the good answers I got. 

https://theairtacticalassaultgroup.com/forum/showthread.php?t=33906&p=361250#post361250

Also, I recommend watching this video in this thread.

https://theairtacticalassaultgroup.com/forum/showthread.php?t=23541

skud

[LukeFF]

13 hours ago, ATAG_SKUD said:

Way more realistic bombsight look and operation.

 

How is the operation better / more realistic than here in BoX? I've seen some tutorial videos about level bombing in CloD on YouTube, and to be honest I'm not seeing how it's supposedly so much better than the ones in BoX. Set your altitude, airspeed, select the number of bombs, release interval, make sure the sight isn't drifting, open bomb bay doors and you're good to go. Those procedures apply pretty much to any level bomber in either title.

[CountZero]

One game have historical bombardier position modeled with histrical bombsight, and onother have generic aracade look bombsight with no bombardier position modeled... its like saying look we dont have to have cockpit view, we can have just outside 3rd person view and there is no differance in operation or realisam when you shoot at other airplanes.

 

 

Edited April 28, 2022 by CountZero

[Jackfraser24]

I would really like to see some more Italian collectable planes used on the Eastern Front in the game like the 

• Fiat C.R 42 (bis)
• Fiat G.50 (bis, bis A/N, ter)
• Macchi 200 (series 1, 3, 7 and 7FB)
• Macchi 202 (series 3, 7 and 12 - already have the series 8)
• Macchi 205 (series 1 and 3)

I should state that the Macchi 205 was used on the Eastern Front by Croats.
 

 

[Jackfraser24]

The Germans need more mid war aircraft (1941-43) suited for the Eastern Front battles like the 

• Bf 109 E-3 (if that was still used by the Luftwaffe)
• Bf 109 E-4
• Bf 110 C, D and F series
• Do 17 (used between 1941-42)
• Do 217 E
• Do 217 K
• Do 217 M
• Fw 189 A-1
• Fw 190 A-1
• Fw 190 A-2
• Fw 190 A-4
• More He 111 H variants
• He 177
• Ju 87 B-2
• Ju 87 D-5
• More Ju 88 A series
• Me 210
• Me 323

1 minute ago, Jackfraser24 said:

 

Edited May 1, 2022 by Jackfraser24

[CountZero]

On 4/27/2022 at 5:32 PM, Jackfraser24 said:

I think there needs to be more He 111 variants like the 

• He 111 H1  
• He 111 H2 
• He 111 H3 
• He 111 H4 
• He 111 H5 
• He 111 H7 
• He 111 H8 
• He 111 H9 
• He 111 H10 
• He 111 H11 
• He 111 H12 
• He 111 H14 
• He 111 H15 
• He 111 H18 
• He 111 H20 
• He 111 H21
• He 111 H22 
• He 111 H23 

anyone can google wiki and fined airplane types not in game already, 1000s of them but why H4 or H8 or H20 and so on.. if we already have H6 and H16, what new they bring ? on what maps they fit where H6 and H16 cant do what other types did and so on, just posting airplane types or sub-types means nothing, like i say there is 1000s of them not in game and will not be added in game because they bring no new, cant fit maps in game, data cant be found in detail needed, or would simply not sell. Airplanes like 109 even with minimal differance will sell for 20$ as collectable, (i bet there would be ppl who would buy 109E4 even though 109E7 we have is same airplane, thats how hungry ppl are for more 109s), while brand new type of 111 bomber even with big differances will have harder time to go for 25$ or even justifie it being made outside of DLC where he can fill in easy to make bomber slot insted harder work of making brand new bomber type not in game already.

Edited May 1, 2022 by CountZero

[Eisenfaustus]

2 hours ago, Jackfraser24 said:

The Germans need more mid war aircraft (1941-43) suited for the Eastern Front battles like the 

• Bf 109 E-3 (if that was still used by the Luftwaffe)
• Bf 109 E-4
• Bf 110 C, D and F series
• Do 17 (used between 1941-42)
• Do 217 E
• Do 217 K
• Do 217 M
• Fw 189 A-1
• Fw 190 A-1
• Fw 190 A-2
• Fw 190 A-4
• More He 111 H variants
• He 177
• Ju 87 B-2
• Ju 87 D-5
• More Ju 88 A series
• Me 210
• Me 323

 

Such a list only makes sense if you cross check wether these planes were used unter currently available areas/timeframes

Without checking I‘m pretty sure that at least the 109 E3, 190 A1/2 and the He 177 don’t fulfill this requirement. Many others I have my serious doubts. 
 

Yet the Ju 87s and Fw 189 I‘d really love to have in game. 

[Jackfraser24]

4 hours ago, Eisenfaustus said:

Such a list only makes sense if you cross check wether these planes were used unter currently available areas/timeframes

Without checking I‘m pretty sure that at least the 109 E3, 190 A1/2 and the He 177 don’t fulfill this requirement. Many others I have my serious doubts. 
 

Yet the Ju 87s and Fw 189 I‘d really love to have in game. 

What about the Hs 123?

[Jackfraser24]

The Dornier 17 should still be included into the game because

• They were still used up to 1942 in small numbers on the Eastern Front by two recon Staffen, and three kampfgruppen. They could be used in Moscow or Stalingrad as fast light bombers.
• People would buy them. There are no flyable ones in CloD, you would have to play a lot of hours on War thunder to fly a Do 17 (if you are playing solely as a German pilot), so the best you will get would be in IL 2 1946 third party add ons. Personally, I would like to fly a Do 17 which has up to date modelling and texturing, flight model, and one that comes along with a pilot career.

The Do 17 would help Great Battles set itself apart from the competition.

Edited May 2, 2022 by Jackfraser24

[tattywelshie]

19 minutes ago, Jackfraser24 said:

The Dornier 17 should still be included into the game because

• They were still used up to 1942 in small numbers on the Eastern Front by two recon Staffen, and three kampfgruppen. They could be used in Moscow or Stalingrad as fast light bombers.
• People would buy them. There are no flyable ones in CloD, you would have to play a lot of hours on War thunder to fly a Do 17 (if you are playing solely as a German pilot), so the best you will get would be in IL 2 1946 third party add ons. Personally, I would like to fly a Do 17 which has up to date modelling and texturing, flight model, and one that comes along with a pilot career.

The Do 17 would help Great Battles set itself apart from the competition.

I’d love a Do 17, always been fascinated by them, one was shot down near my village I grew up in after bombing Swansea so have always been interested in them. The Do217 was also used during the Normandy Campaign as well so that could fit in there. Also, with the 217 we could have the Fritz X as part of the armament, now that would be fun!!!!

[Guest deleted@219798]

Yak 3 and La 7 and more variety of Soviet bombers. An early version of the Yak 1 to use in BoM.

Edited May 9, 2022 by kestrel444x500

[Jackfraser24]

There definitely needs to be a Curtiss Tomahawk included into the game, especially for Moscow.

[BMA_FlyingShark]

2 hours ago, Jackfraser24 said:

There definitely needs to be a Curtiss Tomahawk included into the game, especially for Moscow.

I've been hoping since day 1 we get an early P-40.

 

Have a nice day.

 

[LW_Pilot777]

Hello 

 

I found work of Mr. Mark06GT from blenderartists.org It made amazing 3d model of A-20G maybe it`ll be nice start for new Havoc for IL-2 Collector Planes

 

[352ndOscar]

Instead of bunch of aircraft variants ad nauseum…… how about we get a plane that is missing that we actually really need……. The Salmson 2 A2.  With FC being an April 1918 period piece, this aircraft definitely needs to be there for both French and, with the expanded FC2/3 map (St Mihiel/Argonne) USAS usage.  It’s a cornerstone aircraft for infantry contact, reconnaissance and observation, and artillery adjustment squadrons/missions.  We needed it for ROF but never got it.  It sure would be nice to get this aircraft into service in FC.
 

 

[JG27*PapaFly]

On 3/13/2022 at 10:44 PM, Jackfraser24 said:

A 26

THIS!

And the FW 190 D-13. Big gun, big fun ?

[Jackfraser24]

The Glostor Meteor Mk III would be nice. It could reach a top speed of 748 km/h (465 m/h). It would be the only allied plane that could catch the Arado 234 at its top speed, 742 km/h (461 m/h).
 

A Dornier 335 would be cool as well. Fastest non-modified piston powered aircraft ever built. It was claimed to have reached 846 km/h (525 m/h) but it could go up to at least 750+ km/h (466+ m/h).
 

The Focke-Wulf Ta 152 would also be quite popular. It can out run a P 51 Mustang. It could reach a top speed of 760 km/h (472 m/h). Kurt Tank, the designer of the Fw 190 and Ta 152 in early 1945 flew the plane himself and was pursued by American P 51s. But all  he had to do was push the throttle to full speed, and he escaped.
 

The Spitfire Mk XVI (16) would be a valuable collector plane for Battle of Bodenplatte as a low altitude fighter ground attack aircraft. It had a Rolls Royce Merlin 266, an American licenced built version of the British Merlin 66, and could fly at nearly 670 km/h (or 415 m/h). Over 1,000 were built.

Edited May 27, 2022 by Jackfraser24

[Jackfraser24]

An Me 210 would be nice to fly, but also useful on the Eastern Front.
 

Since only Germany and Hungary used them, the pilots should be able to speak German or Hungarian, depending on which airforce you fly in. 
 

Not many were built (about 258 examples). That could be a problem considering the limited amount of potential pilot career missions available. However, career missions would still nonetheless be interesting to fly on the Eastern Front.

[LukeFF]

2 hours ago, Jackfraser24 said:

An Me 210 would be nice to fly

 

Lol no, it would not. It was a dog of a plane and a deathtrap. 

[Jackfraser24]

2 hours ago, LukeFF said:

 

Lol no, it would not. It was a dog of a plane and a deathtrap. 

All the more of a challenge then.

[Roland_HUNter]

Spit XIV Bubble....
109 G6/AS, when?!

[Jackfraser24]

The Me 323 Gigant would be cool to have.

[MasterBaiter]

On 5/27/2022 at 3:22 PM, dogefighter said:

2 prototypes built?

 

Guys pls. Lets leave the super rare german unicorns like D-13s, D-11s, Do-335s, Ta 152s, He 162s etc to IL-2 1946. Lets instead flesh out the current german planeset with types that actually saw significant service like for example: de-rated 109F-4, de-rated A-3 & A-8, G6/AS, A9 and the earlier more common 1750hp and 1900hp versions of the D-9. (the D9 we have in the game is the rarer, more powerful version with MW50)

G-10 please ?

[JV69badatflyski]

On 5/27/2022 at 3:22 PM, dogefighter said:

2 prototypes built?

 

Guys pls. Lets leave the super rare german unicorns like D-13s, D-11s, Do-335s, Ta 152s, He 162s etc to IL-2 1946. Lets instead flesh out the current german planeset with types that actually saw significant service like for example: de-rated 109F-4, de-rated A-3 & A-8, G6/AS, A9 and the earlier more common 1750hp and 1900hp versions of the D-9. (the D9 we have in the game is the rarer, more powerful version with MW50)

As i agree on the D-11/13/Do-335 part, still don't get your stuff about the ta-152 that has been built in the same numbers as the meteor, the he-162 that has an operational records history and it's production numbers are even higher than the spit mk-14 and the operationnal numbers are equivalent. Does that mean the mk-14 shouldn't be neither included? should the Mk-14 be considered as an unicorn mounted by a care-bear? 

As for the de-rated part, to confirm your sayings, do you have production numbers? airframes and engines history? Okl and manufacturer(s) notifications? Or do you base your assumptions on the web legends? I'd like to know, cause i really do like reading about "derated" focke wulfs...it always makes my day 
Ps: all fockewulfs were derated for the first 10hours(reduced to 8 somewhere end43, you know, when the D2 received few parts from the F) , it's called engine break-in and still happens on modern engines, strange....

[CountZero]

problem for 162 is not numbers but bases, game aint gona have map with bases it operated from, so it will never be added.

 

[Jackfraser24]

I guess the only German aircraft worth putting in are the

 

Fighters

• Bf 109 E-4 
• Bf 109 G-6AS
• Bf 109 G-8
• Bf 109 G-10 
• Bf 109 G-10AS 
• Bf 109 G-14AS 
• Bf 110 C-4
• Bf 110 C-4/B 
• Bf 110 C-7 
• Bf 110 D-1
• Bf 110 D-2
• Bf 110 D-3 
• Bf 110 E-1 
• Bf 110 F-1 
• Bf 110 F-2 
• Bf 110 F-4 
• Bf 110 G-4 
• Do 217 J-1 
• Do 217 J-2 
• Do 217 N-1 
• Do 217 N-2
• Fw 190 A-1
• Fw 190 A-2 
• Fw 190 A-4 
• Fw 190 A-9 
• He 162 A-1 
• He 162 A-2 
• He 219 A-0 
• He 219 A-2 
• Ju 88 G-1 
• Ju 88 G-6
• Ju 88 G-7
• Ju 388 J-
• Me 163 B-1
• Me 210 A-1 
• Me 210 A-2 
• Me 210 Ca-1
• Ta 152 H-1

Bombers

• Do 17 Z-2 
• Do 217 E-1 
• Do 217 E-2 
• Do 217 E-3 
• Do 217 E-4 
• Do 217 E-5 
• Do 217 K-1
• Do 217 K-2
• Do 217 K-3
• Do 217 M-1
• He 111 H-2
• He 111 H-10
• He 111 H-11
• He 111 H-18
• He 111 H-20
• He 111 H-22
• Ju 87 B-2
• Ju 88 D-5
• Ju 88 A-5
• Ju 88 A-13
• Ju 88 A-14
• Ju 88 A-15
• Ju 88 A-17 Torpedo Bomber
• Ju 88 S-1
• Ju 88 S-2
• Ju 88 S-3
• Ju 188 A-1
• Ju 188 A-2
• Ju 188 A-3
• Ju 188 E-1
• Ju 188 E-2
• Ju 388 K

Look, they don’t need to do all these aircraft. I’m just saying that there are still plenty of German aircraft left to choose from, even though if it’s just different variants, sub variants and sub variant subtypes remaining.

Edited June 3, 2022 by Jackfraser24

[BraveSirRobin]

This thread really could have been condensed into 1 post:

 

"I want them all."

[Cybermat47]

18 minutes ago, BraveSirRobin said:

This thread really could have been condensed into 1 post:

 

"I want them all."

 

[DD_Arthur]

7 hours ago, Jackfraser24 said:

I’m just saying that there are still plenty of German aircraft left to choose from, even though if it’s just different variants, sub variants and sub variant subtypes remaining.

 

Actually Jack, I think you’re post shows just how little of the LW there is left to do in practical terms.

 

With few exceptions, we have examples of all the major variants of types used in the theatres modelled so far in BoX.

 

Of what is missing; take the Do 17/217 series as an example.

It was an important aircraft in the LW inventory in the early to mid war years but to model it to the standards required for BoX the team would have to cross some major hurdles.

Namely, there are simply no intact airframes surviving. Off the top of my head I think four of these aircraft have been recovered after spending some seventy years on the seabed, none are complete...

 

Did you know Jack that not too long ago the producer of this series went on a ten thousand mile round trip to photograph and measure the interior of the cockpit of a major, well known, we’ll documented, allied fighter held in the collection of a major national museum?

He was only able to do this after months of negotiations with this museum too.

 

It’s very easy to write we could/should have type x,y and z but actually being in a position deliver these things for a commercial product is something else entirely.

 

 

[Jackfraser24]

1 hour ago, DD_Arthur said:

 

Actually Jack, I think you’re post shows just how little of the LW there is left to do in practical terms.

 

With few exceptions, we have examples of all the major variants of types used in the theatres modelled so far in BoX.

 

Of what is missing; take the Do 17/217 series as an example.

It was an important aircraft in the LW inventory in the early to mid war years but to model it to the standards required for BoX the team would have to cross some major hurdles.

Namely, there are simply no intact airframes surviving. Off the top of my head I think four of these aircraft have been recovered after spending some seventy years on the seabed, none are complete...

 

Did you know Jack that not too long ago the producer of this series went on a ten thousand mile round trip to photograph and measure the interior of the cockpit of a major, well known, we’ll documented, allied fighter held in the collection of a major national museum?

He was only able to do this after months of negotiations with this museum too.

 

It’s very easy to write we could/should have type x,y and z but actually being in a position deliver these things for a commercial product is something else entirely.

 

 

I understand