WWII Aircraft Suggested Plane List

[ITAF_Rani]

Maybe same day.....

 

 

 

 

[Jackfraser24]

On 6/10/2024 at 6:38 PM, ITAF_Rani said:

Maybe same day.....

 

 

 

 

We need a Macchi.200 Series 7 alright for Italian squadrons in Moscow and Stalingrad.

Edited June 11, 2024 by Jackfraser24

[Enceladus828]

13 hours ago, Jackfraser24 said:

We need a Macchi.200 Series 7 alright for Italian squadrons in Moscow and Stalingrad.

We should have gotten the Saetta for BOM instead!

[Jackfraser24]

I think IL-2 Battle of Moscow is missing a lot of planes from AQMB and Career mode. Here’s what I think Moscow needs:

 

Axis

• Bf-109 E-4
• Bf-110 E-1
• He-111 H-2/3
• Ju-87 B-2
• Ju-88 A-1
• Mc.200 Series 7

Soviets

• I-16 Series 18
• Il-2 Model 1940
• LaGG-3 Series 4
• Pe-3bis
• SB-2
• Yak-1 Series 1

 

[Enceladus828]

12 hours ago, Jackfraser24 said:

Axis

• Bf-109 E-4
• Bf-110 E-1
• He-111 H-2/3
• Ju-87 B-2
• Ju-88 A-1
• Mc.200 Series 7

Except for the Ju-87B-2 and MC.200, I doubt we'll see these planes except for in a Battle of France planeset. While yes they along with the Do-17 saw action on the Eastern Front, by autumn 1941 superior variants of these aircraft like the E-7, He-111H-6 and Ju-88A-4 were used in much more numbers than the previous ones. The Do-17 by the summer of 1940 and during Operation Barbarossa was considered obsolete due to its many limitations and was withdrawn from the Eastern Front in October 1941. As for the Bf-110E-1, we already have the Bf-110E-2 so I don't see why we would need the E-1. 

[Jackfraser24]

26 minutes ago, Enceladus828 said:

Except for the Ju-87B-2 and MC.200, I doubt we'll see these planes except for in a Battle of France planeset. While yes they along with the Do-17 saw action on the Eastern Front, by autumn 1941 superior variants of these aircraft like the E-7, He-111H-6 and Ju-88A-4 were used in much more numbers than the previous ones. The Do-17 by the summer of 1940 and during Operation Barbarossa was considered obsolete due to its many limitations and was withdrawn from the Eastern Front in October 1941. As for the Bf-110E-1, we already have the Bf-110E-2 so I don't see why we would need the E-1. 

The Bf-110 E-2 was an elongated version of the E-1.

[Enceladus828]

1 hour ago, Jackfraser24 said:

The Bf-110 E-2 was an elongated version of the E-1.

Yeah but why do we need it? There are plenty of other planes that could be added. This isn't like IL-2 1946 or the Dover series where you can pretty much add every minor variant of an aircraft or an aircraft that flew in WW2, the guys here are limited to just 10 planes and adding a standalone Collector takes 1 year or more so they have to choose wisely to stay in business and to keep adding more planes that people would enjoy.

[Jackfraser24]

1 hour ago, Enceladus828 said:

Yeah but why do we need it? There are plenty of other planes that could be added. This isn't like IL-2 1946 or the Dover series where you can pretty much add every minor variant of an aircraft or an aircraft that flew in WW2, the guys here are limited to just 10 planes and adding a standalone Collector takes 1 year or more so they have to choose wisely to stay in business and to keep adding more planes that people would enjoy.

I guess you’re right.

[Jackfraser24]

4 hours ago, Enceladus828 said:

Except for the Ju-87B-2 and MC.200, I doubt we'll see these planes except for in a Battle of France planeset. 

Oh I’d say we are going to see quite a few more planes made for the Karelian map that fought in the Winter and the Continuation wars. Otherwise Pilot career mode and AQMB will be incomplete. 
 

 

[Jackfraser24]

P-39N - Why?

• Used heavily by the VVS through the allied lend lease. 
• 2,000+ P-39 N’s were built making it the second most numerous P-39 variant after the Q series. 
• It would be good to see more P-39s in the game. 
• Comes in several subvariants which are all still essentially the same airframe with modifications. Would be a very modifiable aircraft DLC. 
• Would serve a useful purpose in Pilot Career mode and as a new addition to AQMB in Stalingrad and Kuban as a fighter and for ground attack purposes. 

[Jackfraser24]

On 5/27/2022 at 10:48 AM, Jackfraser24 said:

The Focke-Wulf Ta 152 would also be quite popular. It can out run a P 51 Mustang. It could reach a top speed of 760 km/h (472 m/h). Kurt Tank, the designer of the Fw 190 and Ta 152 in early 1945 flew the plane himself and was pursued by American P 51s. But all  he had to do was push the throttle to full speed, and he escaped.

The Ta-152 has finally come. My prayers have been answered!

Edited June 19, 2024 by Jackfraser24

[Jackfraser24]

Here’s all the planes I think that IL-2 really should focus on once the Finnish map is released.

 

Finnish

• Blenheim Mk.I
• B-239
• Do-17 Z-2
• D.XXI
• Gladiator Mk.I
• G.50
• Hawk 75A
• Hurricane Mk.I
• M.S.406
• M.S.410
• Myrsky II

 

[Spartan32965]

I would love to see the Beaufighter. I loved it in IL-2 2946. 

[Jackfraser24]

7 hours ago, Spartan32965 said:

I would love to see the Beaufighter. I loved it in IL-2 2946. 

I agree with you with the Beaufighter. But on a wider level I also agree that we should see more collector planes for the Western Front particularly from ones deployed by allied forces. I also want to see more bombers in the game. Bombers like the He-111 H-20, Ju-188 A/E and Do-217 M-1. But also allied planes such as the A-20G, B-17 and B-24, even if they are just AI controlled. But I think they need to make the B-25 and B-26 flyable. 

[ITAF_Rani]

On 6/23/2024 at 5:11 PM, Spartan32965 said:

I would love to see the Beaufighter. I loved it in IL-2 2946. 

Med theatre

[Jackfraser24]

I wonder what collector planes are coming for Great Battles after the I-153, La-7, Yak-3.

 

My best guesses are the IL-10, Pe-3, Tu-2, Bf-110 F-2, Fw-190 A-9 and Ju-87 D-5.

 

Personally I would like to see aircraft more aircraft that will contribute to the pilot career mode, no matter how much or little. Though I know they won’t do too many now since they will be focusing on the new IL-2 Korea project.

 

Edited June 28, 2024 by Jackfraser24

[Jackfraser24]

Necessary Eastern Front Collector Planes 

Axis

• Ar-196 A-3
• Bf-109 E-4
• Bf-110 C-4
• Bf-110 C-7
• Bf-110 F-2
• Bf-110 F-4
• Bf-110 G-4
• Do-17 Z-2
• Do-217 E-2
• Do-217 K-1
• Do-217 M-1
• Fw-189 A-1/2
• Fw-190 A-4
• He-111 H-3
• Ju-87 B-2
• Ju-87 D-1
• Ju-87 D-2
• Ju-87 D-5
• Ju-88 A-5
• Ju-88 A-14
• Mc.200 Series 7

Soviets

• A-20C
• A-20G
• B-25 J-1NA
• IL-2 Model 1944
• LaGG-3 35 Series
• LaGG-3 66 Series
• La-7
• P-39D
• P-39N
• P-39Q
• Tomahawk Mk.II
• P-40M
• SB-2M
• TB-3 4M
• Tu-2
• Tu-2S
• Yak-1 Series 1
• Yak-1M
• Yak-3
• Yak-9M
• Yak-9U

Edited July 5, 2024 by Jackfraser24

[=BLW=Pablo]

I didn't see the suggestion for this plane so here goes.

 

The Forgotten Bird
The Curtiss XP-60 was a american single-engine single-seat, low-wing monoplane fighter aircraft developed by the Curtiss-Wright company as a successor to their P-40. It went through a lengthy series of prototype versions, eventually evolving into a design that bore little resemblance to the P-40. None of these versions reached production.

It was one of Curtiss's first attempts at using laminar profile wings.
XP-60A with Allison V-1710-75 engine 1,875 hp (WEP)

XP-60E R-2800-10 engine; crashed January 1944. XP-60C reconfigured to XP-60E

 

 

 

There are other versions of the XP-60, but I think these two would be the most interesting.

Or maybe the YP-60E with bubble canopy

 

Remembering that what differentiated the XP-60E from the XP-60C were just the counter-rotating propellers.

[LukeFF]

I usually don't get involved in topics like this but this right here:

 

14 hours ago, =BLW=Pablo said:

None of these versions reached production.

 

Tells you this is something we aren't interested in doing.

[=BLW=Pablo]

7 hours ago, LukeFF said:

I usually don't get involved in topics like this but this right here:

 

 

Tells you this is something we aren't interested in doing.

I didn't know about this rule.
Thank you anyway ✔️

[Jackfraser24]

Yak-9M - why it should be made

• It would be good to get a long line up of Yak-9s like there are for the Bf-109 and the Fw-190 in the game
• It was an improvement over the Yak-9D. The M variant had increased engine power, firepower and fuel capacity, improved avionics and enhanced armor protection
• Famous pilot aces such as Pavel Golovachev, Alexander Pokryshkin, Ivan Kozhedub, Grigoriy Rechkalov, Alexandr Yegorov and Stepan Suprun all flew the Yak-9M at some point in their career. Doing so would help commemorate them
• Over 4,000 Yak-9M units were built. Numerically speaking it was an important Yak-9 variant
• Would be useful in pilot career mode and AQMB in the upcoming Odessa map, or any other future Eastern Front map that is based on a battles that took place between 1944-45.
• Just by being in the game the Yak-9M would contribute to aircraft diversity in AQMB and Pilot Career
• It would help complement the upcoming Yak-3 nicely
• Would be another plane to fly in multiplayer
• From my understanding it shouldn't be too hard and too time consuming to make because they could use the existing Yak-9 variants in Great Battles as a template 
• It was a good fighter in real life and I believe it would appeal not only to Yak-9 fans but also virtual pilots in general

[Jackfraser24]

List of aircraft I gathered we are expecting:

• I-153
• Ju-87 D-5
• La-7
• Yak-3

List of aircraft I gathered are being considered

• Bf-110 F-2
• Fw-190 A-9
• IL-10
• Pe-3bis
• Tu-2

[=BLW=Pablo]

Do-335

 

 

TA 152 C

 

Reggiane Re.2005 Sagitário

 

 

 

 

[Jackfraser24]

14 hours ago, =BLW=Pablo said:

Do-335

 

 

TA 152 C

 

Reggiane Re.2005 Sagitário

 

 

 

 

These three are among my favourite planes of WWII.
 

The Do-335 flew some sorties though they were largely uneventful (no kills) however I think that just being there and being operative on the Western Front warrants the Do-335 being in the game. 

Only a very small handful of Ta-152Cs were made, and I doubt any of them actually saw service. However I believe that the C-1 or C-3 version should be made for Great Battles because it would do better as a low-mid altitude fighter than the late war Bf-109 and Fw-190 versions that we already have. It would be well received in multiplayer mode because of its capabilities. For Pilot career however, there there would have to be only one or two fictitious squadrons of them in the Rheinland spring map. That is so they don’t have a big enough presence to change the virtual retelling of actual events. 
 

I don’t think the Re.2005 has a place in Great Battles. Reason being there is no map in Great Battles to where it actually fought in real life. Though personally I would like to see it. 

 

 

Edited August 3, 2024 by Jackfraser24

[Enceladus828]

Sorry Jack, I don’t believe the Do-335 will be made. It saw very little action in the war to justify it being added when there are other planes like the Bf-110F and Pe-3 which saw a lot more action, can fill in some gaps and are much simpler to make.

 

Cheers.

[Jackfraser24]

2 hours ago, Enceladus828 said:

Sorry Jack, I don’t believe the Do-335 will be made. It saw very little action in the war to justify it being added when there are other planes like the Bf-110F and Pe-3 which saw a lot more action, can fill in some gaps and are much simpler to make.

 

Cheers.

Oh bother. But thanks for responding

 

In future, what do you think will be made at this point? 

Edited August 3, 2024 by Jackfraser24

[Enceladus828]

On 8/3/2024 at 3:38 PM, Jackfraser24 said:

Oh bother. But thanks for responding

 

In future, what do you think will be made at this point? 

Along with the Bf-110F and Pe-3, Early Yak-1 and LaGG-3, Hurricane Mk.1, Pe-2 1944, Ju-87D-5, and some WW1 variants. These are relatively simple conversions of existing aircraft in the game that new modellers can make.

 

As for aircraft that have more than a few changes and would take longer for new modellers to make, Mosquito Mk. IV and A-20G. 

[Jackfraser24]

9 hours ago, Enceladus828 said:

Along with the Bf-110F and Pe-3, Early Yak-1 and LaGG-3, Hurricane Mk.1, Pe-2 1944, Ju-87D-5, and some WW1 variants. These are relatively simple conversions of existing aircraft in the game that new modellers can make.

 

As for aircraft that have more than a few changes and would take longer for new modellers to make, Mosquito Mk. IV and A-20G. 

Being reasonable, here's what I think IL-2 Great Battles needs. There are no B-25s, B-26s or IL-4s on the list because they have ruled it out for now at least.

 

Allies

• A-20G (Kuban, Western Front)
• IL-2 Model 1944 (Odessa)
• P-39 Q-5 (Odessa)
• P-40 N-5 (Odessa)
• P-63 C-5 (Odessa)

Axis

• Bf-109 G-10 (Bodenplatte)
• Fw-190 A-9 (Bodenplatte)
• He-111 H-20 (Normandy, Bodenplatte)
• He-162A (Bodenplatte)
• Ju-188A/E (Normandy, Bodenplatte)

Agree or agree to disagree?

[Enceladus828]

9 hours ago, Jackfraser24 said:

Axis

• Bf-109 G-10 (Bodenplatte)
• Fw-190 A-9 (Bodenplatte)
• He-111 H-20 (Normandy, Bodenplatte)
• He-162A (Bodenplatte)
• Ju-188A/E (Normandy, Bodenplatte)

Agree or agree to disagree?

I disagree with the Axis list. Luftwaffe bombers had been exhausted by the BoN timeframe and even so wouldn’t really add anything new. We have plenty of Bf-109s and Fw-190s in the game and the He-162s didn’t see combat action until after the Bodenplatte timeframe. We have all the late war German planes we need. What we’re missing are ones that can be used from BoM to BoK.

[Jackfraser24]

17 minutes ago, Enceladus828 said:

I disagree with the Axis list. Luftwaffe bombers had been exhausted by the BoN timeframe and even so wouldn’t really add anything new. We have plenty of Bf-109s and Fw-190s in the game and the He-162s didn’t see combat action until after the Bodenplatte timeframe. We have all the late war German planes we need. What we’re missing are ones that can be used from BoM to BoK.

Alright. I'll revise it then.

 

Allies

• LaGG-3 33 Series (Stalingrad, Kuban)
• LaGG-3 66 Series (Kuban, Odessa)
• P-39N (Stalingrad, Kuban)
• P-40M (Stalingrad, Kuban, Karelia, Odessa)
• SB-2 (Moscow, Stalingrad)

 

Axis

• Bf-109 E-4 (Moscow, Stalingrad)
• Bf-110 C-7 (Odessa)
• Do-17 Z-2 (Odessa)
• Ju-87 B-2 (Odessa, Moscow, Stalingrad)
• Mc.200 Serie 7 (Moscow)

Agree or agree to disagree?

[=BLW=Pablo]

On 8/7/2024 at 4:57 AM, Jackfraser24 said:

Being reasonable, here's what I think IL-2 Great Battles needs. There are no B-25s, B-26s or IL-4s on the list because they have ruled it out for now at least.

 

Allies

• A-20G (Kuban, Western Front)
• IL-2 Model 1944 (Odessa)
• P-39 Q-5 (Odessa)
• P-40 N-5 (Odessa)
• P-63 C-5 (Odessa)

Axis

• Bf-109 G-10 (Bodenplatte)
• Fw-190 A-9 (Bodenplatte)
• He-111 H-20 (Normandy, Bodenplatte)
• He-162A (Bodenplatte)
• Ju-188A/E (Normandy, Bodenplatte)

Agree or agree to disagree?

 

 

On the Allied side I would add the P-40F with Merlin engine.
On the Axis side I would include the TA-152c, FW-190 D-11. FW190 D-13
Congratulations on the list!

[Jackfraser24]

7 minutes ago, =BLW=Pablo said:

 

 

On the Allied side I would add the P-40F with Merlin engine.
On the Axis side I would include the TA-152c, FW-190 D-11. FW190 D-13
Congratulations on the list!

Thanks for the compliment.

[=BLW=Pablo]

An interesting plane as a collector's plane.
It would be Adolf Galland's BF-109 F, which kept the 20mm on the wings.

 

Edited August 10, 2024 by LukeFF
NO SWASTIKAS

[Jackfraser24]

On 7/21/2024 at 10:37 PM, LukeFF said:

 

In the foreseeable future how many more collector planes should we be expecting to be made for Great Battles? 

[LukeFF]

9 hours ago, Jackfraser24 said:

In the foreseeable future how many more collector planes should we be expecting to be made for Great Battles? 

 

That is yet to be determined.

[Eonellivlem]

I've only just begun my IL2 GB virtual pilot career, no i haven't been living under a rock i was a console only player for many years. Bought the original IL 2 back in early 2000 and i can't believe i missed this great battle series for so long.

I've got a lot of content to explore and catch up on but i'm also excited for the upcoming maps Karelia and Odessa. However my question is.

Are there any aircraft coming with those maps? and will any future collector aircraft be tied to those maps? or are they going to be like the Velikiye Luki map, which is beautifully created but kind of redundant (only my opinion) as it's not included in career mode.

 

TLDR: I would love a early Stuka variant so i could play through Moscow-Stalingrad-Kuban career. I know i can use PWCG to play this way but i would prefer it to be "official" if that makes sense.

Edited August 11, 2024 by Eonellivlem

[Aapje]

They indicated that they probably would make planes for the map. I haven't seen anything about a career mode.

[Jackfraser24]

Here is a list of planes that I think really needs to be done for Great Battles before they finish up and move on to IL-2 Series. 

 

German Planes

• Bf-109 E-4
• Bf-109 G-10
• Bf-110 C-7
• Bf-110 F-2
• Do-217 E-2
• Do-217 K-1
• Do-217 M-1
• Fi-156
• Fw-190 A-4
• Fw-190 A-9
• He-115
• He-111 H-20
• He-162A
• Ju-87 B-2
• Ju-87 D-5
• Ju-88 G-1
• Ju-188A/E
• Me-210

Finnish Planes

• B-239 Buffalo
• Blenheim Mk.IV
• Do-17 Z-2
• D.XXI Series 3
• G.50
• Gladiator Mk.II
• Hawk-75A
• Hurricane Mk.I
• Morko Morane 
• MS.406
• MS.410

Italian Planes

• Mc.200 Serie 7

American Planes

• A-20G
• A-26A
• B-26B (Flyable)
• P-38 L-1
• P-47 D-30
• P-47N

British Planes

• Beaufighter Mk.VI
• Beaufighter Mk.X
• Hurricane Mk.IV
• Mosquito Mk.IV
• Meteor Mk.III
• Spitfire Mk.XII
• Spitfire Mk.XVI

Soviet Planes

• IL-2 1944 Series
• IL-4
• LaGG-3 Series 4
• LaGG-3 Series 33
• LaGG-3 Series 66
• La-7
• Pe-2 1943 Series
• Pe-2 1944 Series
• Pe-3Bis
• SB-2
• Tu-2
• Tu-2S
• Yak-3
• Yak-9D
• Yak-9U

Soviet Lend Lease

• B-25H
• P-39N
• P-39Q
• P-40M
• P-40N
• P-63A
• P-63C
• Tomahawk Mk.II

But I know we can't have everything.

[Jackfraser24]

Bf-109 E-4 - 10 reasons why

1. There were minor differences between the E-4 and E-7. It had a less powerful engine; had less powerful armament; less fuel; slightly lighter and couldn’t fly as far. 
2. It had some advantages over the E-7 such as better manoeuvrability and better cockpit visibility. 
3. If anybody wanted to make a YouTube video about the Battle of Britain they could use the E-4 to make it look more realistic. 
4. The Bf-109E was a beautiful looking aircraft and I think it would be nice to have another E sub-variant. 
5. The E-4 would make pilot career more historically accurate in pilot career. 
6. It was an iconic sub-variant of the Bf-109.
7. If the Bf-109 G-6 Late and G-6AS were made when we already had the Bf-109 G-6, I think it would be unreasonable to exclude the E-4. 
8. The E-4 was in the original IL-2 series.
9. The E-4 was used at Odessa (1941), Moscow and Stalingrad.
10. It would appeal to people who like the Bf-109E sub variants.

Edited August 21, 2024 by Jackfraser24

[kraut1]

14 hours ago, Jackfraser24 said:

Bf-109 E-4 - 10 reasons why

1. There were minor differences between the E-4 and E-7. It had a less powerful engine; had less powerful armament; less fuel; slightly lighter and couldn’t fly as far. 
2. It had some advantages over the E-7 such as better manoeuvrability and better cockpit visibility. 
3. If anybody wanted to make a YouTube video about the Battle of Britain they could use the E-4 to make it look more realistic. 
4. The Bf-109E was a beautiful looking aircraft and I think it would be nice to have another E sub-variant. 
5. The E-4 would make pilot career more historically accurate in pilot career. 
6. It was an iconic sub-variant of the Bf-109.
7. If the Bf-109 G-6 Late and G-6AS were made when we already had the Bf-109 G-6, I think it would be unreasonable to exclude the E-4. 
8. The E-4 was in the original IL-2 series.
9. The E-4 was used at Odessa (1941), Moscow and Stalingrad.
10. It would appeal to people who like the Bf-109E sub variants.

Yes, BF-109 E-4 would be nice, especially for a Battle of Britain. Fuel would be same as E7 I suppose, because in IL-2:GB no drop tanks available.

But concerning the armament: the E4 had already from early August onwards the MG-FF/M with the Mine Shells.

 

For Battle of france (we have already sufficient available maps) the -E3 would be great, and it was used during BoB too.

(in my EMG BoF mod I have changed for BoF missions the explosive charge to the russian 20mm and flew with manual propeller control)