WWII Aircraft Suggested Plane List

[Jackfraser24]

Would anyone like to see a Ju-87 D-1? I am aware that many want a Ju-87 B-2 and D-5 but I have never heard of a discussion for a D-1. I also understand that adding this plane would only serve to make career mode more accurate, diversify the Ju-87 family and add to plane variety in AQMB. But maybe those are good enough reasons to have a Ju-87 D-1 as well as a B-2 and D-5. 

[FliegerAD]

On 4/26/2024 at 12:50 PM, AEthelraedUnraed said:

These "usual suspects" were rather enthusiastic about the G-6AS, yes, but I remember most others being kinda disappointed about another 109. Anyway, we don't have any sales data.

 

Pot-kettle, I'd say. From my perspective it was the usual naysayers who complained and most liked it, but as you said both of us lack hard data. 😉

 

Anyway, my main point was on the A-9 for which imo there is a gameplay case. (A historical case, too, obviously). It is not the strongest case, the choice of the A-8 was absolutely correct looking at the numbers, but is a case exactly designed for the Collector's series: significant but not overwhelming numbers, serving on all fronts, a very clear role of how to up- or sidegrade existing planes, and minimal effort in creating it.

 

 

On 4/26/2024 at 12:50 PM, AEthelraedUnraed said:

I would argue that given the dismal state of the Luftwaffe in late 1944-early 1945, it's entirely plausible (i.e. "accurate") to only encounter G-14s and K-4s. Likewise, a G-10 doesn't add any different roles or mission types that would not have been flown by the other types so there's no "accuracy" to be gained there either.

 

That's two aspects here, gameplay and historicity. In terms of gameplay I agree, there is virtually nothing the G-10 offers, except the near-K-4 performance with the option of the 20mm. Not enough for me personally.

 

In terms of historicity however, the G-10 was the most advanced 109 the allies encountered on some fronts (like Courland), and it was the most advanced 109 Germany's allies got. Obviously, neither Courland nor Hungary nor Northern Italy are mapped, so that point is somewhat mood.

...but only somewhat. With the Yak-3 or the Ta 152 coming despite having no proper map to operate in, that particular requirement seems to have been dropped.

It is not that I like that direction, but it is there.

 

Again, I like niche planes. I want the Pe-3, the Ju 88 R-2... but I realize it is power fantasy planes like the 152 paying the devs' bills.

[Jackfraser24]

On 4/29/2024 at 4:10 AM, FliegerAD said:

Again, I like niche planes. I want the Pe-3, the Ju 88 R-2... but I realize it is power fantasy planes like the 152 paying the devs' bills.

Would you like to see the Do-335 A-0 in the game? They didn’t see any combat at all in the war in real life but they could make fictional pilot careers for them as well as fictional campaigns for them.

[Jackfraser24]

Would anyone like to pay for a Do-335 dlc? 

[ST_Catchov]

I'd like to see the Me 323.

 

[BOO]

6 minutes ago, ST_Catchov said:

I'd like to see the Me 323.

 

You couldn’t miss it…

[Jackfraser24]

On 5/2/2024 at 7:21 PM, ST_Catchov said:

I'd like to see the Me 323.

 

Whatever they bring out next I'll buy. Though I think we need the P-40K/M variants for the Kuban and Karelia maps.

[BMA_FlyingShark]

14 minutes ago, Jackfraser24 said:

Whatever they bring out next I'll buy. Though I think we need the P-40K/M variants for the Kuban and Karelia maps.

Me too I'd buy anything they bring out and I completely agree 'bout the P-40s (and while they're at it, they can make us an early P40 too).

 

Have a nice day.

 

[Jackfraser24]

8 hours ago, FlyingShark said:

Me too I'd buy anything they bring out and I completely agree 'bout the P-40s (and while they're at it, they can make us an early P40 too).

 

Have a nice day.

 

Like the Tomahawk? I think we need the Tomahawk for Moscow, Stalingrad, Kuban and the Karelia map.

[BMA_FlyingShark]

3 hours ago, Jackfraser24 said:

Like the Tomahawk? I think we need the Tomahawk for Moscow, Stalingrad, Kuban and the Karelia map.

Indeed.

 

Have a nice day.

 

[Jackfraser24]

To be perfectly reasonable this time round, here are some aircraft I think Great Battles urgently needs now.

 

Axis

• Bf-109 E-4 - Moscow, Stalingrad
• Bf-109 G-10 - Bodenplatte 
• Bf-110 F-2 
• Fw-190 A-9 - Bodenplatte
• He-111 H-20 - Normandy, Bodenplatte
• Ju-87 B-2 - Moscow, Stalingrad, Kuban
• Ju-87 D-5 - Kuban, Normandy, Bodenplatte
• Ju-188 A/E - Normandy, Bodenplatte
• Mc.200 Series 7 Moscow, Stalingrad

Allies

• A-20G - Kuban, Normandy, Bodenplatte
• G-11 (Soviet Glider) - Stalingrad, Kuban
• IL-4 - Stalingrad, Kuban
• LaGG-3 Series 4 - Moscow, Stalingrad
• LaGG-3 Series 35 - Stalingrad, Kuban 
• Mosquito Mk.IV - Kuban, Normandy, Bodenplatte
• P-38 L-1 - Bodenplatte
• P-39 N-1 - Stalingrad, Kuban
• P-40 M - Kuban
• P-47 D-30 - Bodenplatte
• P-51 D-5 - Normandy, Bodenplatte
• P-51 D-20 - Bodenplatte
• Pe-3bis - Moscow, Stalingrad, Kuban
• SB-2 - Moscow, Stalingrad
• Spitfire Mk.XVI, Normandy, Bodenplatte
• Yak-1 Series 1 - Moscow, Stalingrad
• Yak-1M - Stalingrad, Kuban
• Yak-9D - Kuban

[BMA_FlyingShark]

Jack, again, I'd buy all of them.

But maybe include the early P-40 for Stalingrad and maybe an early P51 for Normandy?

 

Have nice day.

 

[FliegerAD]

On 4/29/2024 at 10:06 PM, Jackfraser24 said:

Would you like to see the Do-335 A-0 in the game?

 

No, mostly because there are still so many planes with actual service records, including the He 162 - which is definitely on the table if the Ta 152 is considered eligible now. The Meteor, too. But even that would never be my first choice.

 

Personally I would like to see something I can use on our maps. The aforementioned Ju 88 R-2 for example could be used in Normandy just like the C-6, just with more speed and greater firepower. Sounds like a deal to me, especially since the modelling effort is very small.

Same goes for the Pe-3, which also would hold the distinction of becoming the first Soviet heavy fighter in game. Using that to tangle with 110s and 88s could be fun!

[Enceladus828]

On 5/4/2024 at 10:52 AM, Jackfraser24 said:

To be perfectly reasonable this time round, here are some aircraft I think Great Battles urgently needs now.

Urgently? I think not.

 

The only planes in your list I agree with are the Bf-110F, Ju-87s, A-20G, Mosquito Mk. IV, P-38L, P-40M, and Pe-3 (the LaGGs and Yak-1s would likely be added for Odessa or Karelia). Unless it was for $5 nobody would get the G-11 as you can barely doing anything with the WACO glider so the G-11 wouldn’t fair any better. I like the IL-4 and SB-2 but at this point the demand for a flyable B-25 is so great that it should be done before those two. With the other variants you listed, as I and others have said, what makes them considerably different than other aircraft already in the game and would they add something new?

You can only milk the Bf-109, Fw-190 and Spitfire cow for so long before it feels like every last drop of milk is being squeezed out when there are other planes that would be more appealing. 
 

The demand for Combat flight sims 20 years ago was so great that dozens of planes and variants could be released per installment but right now more people are interested in X-Plane, MSFS and War Thunder, the latter of which being the only one that can add dozens of planes in a short timeline because it is an arcade game with lower fidelity DMs, cockpits and FMs.

 

At this point we have a pretty complete lineup of the late war Western Front with the only planes we’re really missing are heavy bombers, flyable light bombers and the A-20G. The German side is pretty much done with the only ones that would be worth adding are the aforementioned Ju-87s, Ju-88P-2, Bf-110F and Hs-123. We can hold off on the remaining 109s and 190s until a Battle of Berlin installment.

 

Every installment and plane added is pretty much a gamble for the devs: gamble right and it will be very profitable, gamble poorly and it might just break even.

 

Cheers

[Jackfraser24]

On 5/7/2024 at 5:19 AM, Enceladus828 said:

You can only milk the Bf-109, Fw-190 and Spitfire cow for so long before it feels like every last drop of milk is being squeezed out when there are other planes that would be more appealing.

Well I guess they should go and milk some more aircraft families then.

 

 

On 5/7/2024 at 5:19 AM, Enceladus828 said:

At this point we have a pretty complete lineup of the late war Western Front with the only planes we’re really missing are heavy bombers, flyable light bombers and the A-20G.

I'd have to disagree because there's still aircraft like the He-162, Do-335, He-111 H-20, Ju-188 A/E, Meteor, and several variants of the P-38, P-47 and P-51 are not in the game yet. But I do agree that the B-25 and B-26 collector planes should be done.

On 5/7/2024 at 5:19 AM, Enceladus828 said:

The only planes in your list I agree with are the Bf-110F, Ju-87s, A-20G, Mosquito Mk. IV, P-38L, P-40M, and Pe-3 (the LaGGs and Yak-1s would likely be added for Odessa or Karelia).

What other planes do you think we need?

[Enceladus828]

25 minutes ago, Jackfraser24 said:

Well I guess they should go and milk some more aircraft families then.

Mosquito, A-20 and Bf-110 are my picks so we can get their aforementioned variants.

 

27 minutes ago, Jackfraser24 said:

I'd have to disagree because there's still aircraft like the He-162, Do-335, He-111 H-20, Ju-188 A/E, Meteor, and several variants of the P-38, P-47 and P-51 are not in the game yet.

Dude, as much as a love the He-162, at the moment it’s a very low priority plane. Most of the 120 planes that were actually delivered never saw action with only a few sorties in last few weeks of the war. Considerable losses were due to a wing or tail falling off because they had to be glued onto the plane and it was a poor quality glue.

 

With the Do 335, only 11 were delivered and it never shot down any planes so an even lower priority than the He-162.

 

He-111H-20 and Ju-188, again German bombers by this point were meat on the table and regardless saw limited action compared to their 1943 and earlier versions.

For the P-38 and P-47, the only ones I’d want to see right now are the P-38L and the P-47M, the P-51 WW2 wise is covered.

 

Gloster Meteor would be a cool plane to have but right now I’d rather see the P-38L, P-47M and the trio mentioned in my above response.

 

Just because a plane technically speaking entered service in WW2 or saw action in a particular battle doesn’t mean it should automatically be added to the game.

[Jackfraser24]

2 hours ago, Enceladus828 said:

Dude, as much as a love the He-162, at the moment it’s a very low priority plane. Most of the 120 planes that were actually delivered never saw action with only a few sorties in last few weeks of the war. Considerable losses were due to a wing or tail falling off because they had to be glued onto the plane and it was a poor quality glue.

What planes would you consider high priority?

2 hours ago, Enceladus828 said:

With the Do 335, only 11 were delivered and it never shot down any planes so an even lower priority than the He-162.

Good point. But what about multiplayer? Players fighting for the Axis could use a plane like this one. It is fast and can be used as a fast ground attack aircraft or as a bomber destroyer. I see what you are saying though about being a very low priority. 

2 hours ago, Enceladus828 said:

He-111H-20 and Ju-188, again German bombers by this point were meat on the table and regardless saw limited action compared to their 1943 and earlier versions.

I see what you are saying. By the time Allied forces had reached the Low Countries the Luftwaffe's bomber command had been largely crippled. But then there was Operation Steinbock before D-day. The He-111 H-20 and Ju-188 E-1 were used in the Baby Blitz.

[Jackfraser24]

2 hours ago, Enceladus828 said:

Gloster Meteor would be a cool plane to have but right now I’d rather see the P-38L, P-47M and the trio mentioned in my above response.

We'll have to wait and see what they do then. What planes do you think they will likely do after they have released the I-153 and Ta-152? What aircraft are most wanted by the community?

[kraut1]

8 hours ago, Jackfraser24 said:

We'll have to wait and see what they do then. What planes do you think they will likely do after they have released the I-153 and Ta-152? What aircraft are most wanted by the community?

If we think about which planes (and maybe maps) are most wanted by the community, we should not forget, that we have currently huge gaps to fly a wartime career or alternatively to create historical correct campaign missions until the end of the war.

In General:

German planes: most of the required planes from 1941 - 1945 are available.

UK / US fighters and fighter bombers: most of the required (single engine) planes from 1941 - 1945 are available.

with the Rhineland map German, UK and US career missions can be created until ca. march / april 45, more or less the end of the war.

(small question: where on this map were the last historical Air combat operations, maybe in may45?)

 

Eastern front:

-current Career from October 41 ... only to September 43.

-By using the most western areas of the existing Eastern Front maps missions can be created until ca. February 44(Velikiye Luki map) / April44(Kuban map)

-When Odessa / Finnland maps are availabe missions can be created until ca. Summer 44.

-Urgently required to end a wartime Eastern Front career (especially for the russian pilots) is a map that saw action until May 45:

under consideration, that the available resources / manpower to create huge / complex maps with huge cities are limited, a Kurland map could make sence:

(only an example)

 

-Required planes to end a wartime Eastern Front career:

-most urgent at least 1 or 2 advanced high performance russian fighter planes:

e.g.: Yak3 / La7

-newer versions of the IL2 / Pe2 are required too, but on the other hand the existing Pe2-s87 and the IL2-M43 could be used for late war missions too.

-For general eastern front mission design very importent would be a bigger, medium russian bomber, that was used during a long period of the war:

e.g.: IL-4 The IL-4 was in service from 41-45, minimum required as AI plane, if flyable could be used for interesting torpedo attacks too.

 

Western front:

Urgently required is at least 1 flyable, historical correct US/UK Bomber:

-the B25 is a great plane, but it was used in western Europe in first line only by british squadrons in limited numbers.

-B26: was used frequently by the USAAF in western Europe, but as far as I know in first line for normal medium altitude bomber missions, maybe for many pilots not so interesting. AI version maybe sufficient

-A20: By adding an historical US and a british Boston version, both with optional machine gun modifications for ground attacks, the A20 could be used for normal bomber attacks and additionally for interesting low level attacks against ground / ship targets

-At least 1 AI US 4 engine bomber is urgently required to have something to escort / shoot down for the available US P47 / P51 fighters and for the big variety of existing German interceptors with existing heavy bomber interception armament modifications, the BK5cm of the Me410, the WG21 and the FW190 Sturm modifications are not required for attacks on A20 / B26 bombers.

(maybe a 90% historical correct AI B17-F with -G chin turret modification for 43...45 missions)

 

This is only my personal point of view what is most urgently required to fill the gaps in the current careers and what could be created with an acceptable expense of time and costs.

 

 

 

 

Edited May 10, 2024 by kraut1

[Enceladus828]

15 hours ago, Jackfraser24 said:

Good point. But what about multiplayer? Players fighting for the Axis could use a plane like this one. It is fast and can be used as a fast ground attack aircraft or as a bomber destroyer. I see what you are saying though about being a very low priority. 

Dude that is completely absurd. It takes a year (maybe) longer to make an entirely new plane. Why waste so much time and resources on a plane which only encountered the enemy once just to appeal MP users??

 

15 hours ago, Jackfraser24 said:

But then there was Operation Steinbock before D-day. The He-111 H-20 and Ju-188 E-1 were used in the Baby Blitz.

First of all, how many people actually know about Operation Steinbock/the Baby Blitz? Given the fact that it’s known as the Baby Blitz pretty much says that it was minimal compared to the Blitz and the bombings of Stalingrad and Malta.

 

Secondly, all it did was just exhaust the Luftwaffe bomber force and was an operational failure so they didn’t really gain anything from it.

 

Lastly, the He-111H-20 and Ju-188 are added for something that was a failure and exhausted the bomber force, what are we supposed to do with the these bombers after?

The Ju-188 and later He-111s aren’t going to be added anytime soon so you’re just flogging a dead horse here.

[Jackfraser24]

I think what is coming after the I-153 and Ta-152 will be the following aircraft.

• Ju-87 D-5
• La-7
• Yak-3

I guess at some point we will see these following aircraft in the sim.

• Bf-110 F-2
• D.XXI Sarja 3 late (Finnish)
• Fw-190 A-9
• Hurricane Mk.I (Finnish)
• IL-10
• J8A (Finnish/Swedish Gladiator)
• Morko Morane (Finnish)
• P-63 C-5
• Pe-3bis
• Tu-2

 

[Bonnot]

On 5/10/2024 at 2:28 PM, kraut1 said:

-At least 1 AI US 4 engine bomber is urgently required to have something to escort / shoot down for the available US P47 / P51 fighters and for the big variety of existing German interceptors with existing heavy bomber interception armament modifications,

....a Stupid Question : what use is a super  high altitude interceptor when there is nothing to intercept   🙄

[BMA_FlyingShark]

3 hours ago, Bonnot said:

what use is a super  high altitude interceptor when there is nothing to intercept

For starters that those super high altitude interceptors weren't exclusively used as super high intercepters but saw combat at lower alts too and were even used as ground attackers.

 

Have a nice day.

 

[Jackfraser24]

If you could only choose 10 aircraft for 1CGS to do what would they be? Mine would be

1. Bf-109 G-10
2. Do-335 A-1
3. Fw-190 A-9
4. He-162 A
5. Ju-188 E-1
6. P-38 L-5
7. P-40N
8. P-47M
9. P-51 D-20
10. Spitfire Mk.XVI

[kraut1]

On 5/18/2024 at 8:22 PM, Bonnot said:

....a Stupid Question : what use is a super  high altitude interceptor when there is nothing to intercept   🙄

Because the Mosquito with the current FB equipment is not for high altitude missions suitable, I will try with EMG to create mission types:

1943-44-45:

-on Normandy map

-on the Rheinland map until September 44 allied only AI with Airstart, after September 44 on Rheinland map allied and axis player controlled full missions.

(note: because the current maps do not allow non-stop missions from England to Germany the missing drop tank issue is not so critical)

 

-Allied high altitude offensive fighter sweeps, intercepted by german interceptors.

-by using AI B25 as dummy 4 engine bombers (AI 4 engine bomber urgent required) and AI heavy bomber german interceptors (FW190/BF11/Me410) there could be allied escort missions flown and on the other hand german high altitude fighters (BF109...) could try to protect HB interceptors.

-maybe the P-38 F... Lightning reconnaissance plane flew in high altitude?, could be used for mission creation too.

-these high altitude missions could be combined with low level strafing by the returning US escort fighters and defensive by german fighters.

 

 

 

 

Edited May 20, 2024 by kraut1

[kraut1]

On 5/19/2024 at 8:54 AM, Jackfraser24 said:

If you could only choose 10 aircraft for 1CGS to do what would they be? Mine would be

I would prefer to extend all careers as far as possible and to enable BoF / BoB / Finnish careers:

1. Bristol Blenheim (british, commonwelth, finnish)
2. Morane 406 (french / finnish)
3. BF109-E3
4. Spitfire MKIa (with Ib mod)
5. A20G + Boston III mod (or Boston III mod for the existing A20B, but 1 historical, flyable US A20 for Western Europe is required)
6. Ju87-B2
7. Yak-3
8. La-7
9. IL-4 (flyable or AI)
10. B17-F(AI) with optional chin turret

 

Note for usage of existing planes:

BF109-E7 very similar to -E4, maybe a mod with another spinner

BF110-E similar to -C: similar performance and typical early 4xMG17 and 2xMG-FF armament

He111-H6 with MG15 armament is similar to earlier BoF / BoB versions (with MG-FF mod deactivated)

Hurricane II: maybe a "downgraded" engine modification or a not so effective earlier propeller mod (Rotol?)

Ju88-A4: maybe an armament mod with MG15 instead of MG81

FW190-A3 with BMW801C mod for FW190-A2

Drop Tanks: because the current maps do not allow non-stop missions from England to Netherlands, Belgium and Germany the missing drop tank issue is from my point of view not so critical (deleted after comment by @Enceladus828)

 

Edited May 21, 2024 by kraut1

[Jackfraser24]

I picked the Do-335 because it’s a cool aircraft. It’s very fast for a piston engined aircraft, well armoured, and had a lot of potential to be a brilliant fighter.

[Enceladus828]

4 hours ago, kraut1 said:

Drop Tanks: because the current maps do not allow non-stop missions from England to Netherlands, Belgium and Germany the missing drop tank issue is from my point of view not so critical

I disagree. I was doing a Spitfire 14 sortie in the Pilot Career where we flew from Blackbushe (in the very northernmost part of the map) to Cherbourg to do a patrol. We orbited for 5 minutes before I realized I was very low on fuel so turned back to base. Over the Solent I ran out of fuel. I took off with full tanks. We need Drop Tanks.

[kraut1]

38 minutes ago, Enceladus828 said:

I disagree. I was doing a Spitfire 14 sortie in the Pilot Career where we flew from Blackbushe (in the very northernmost part of the map) to Cherbourg to do a patrol. We orbited for 5 minutes before I realized I was very low on fuel so turned back to base. Over the Solent I ran out of fuel. I took off with full tanks. We need Drop Tanks.

Yes, you are right. I did not considered the Spitfire. Drop Tank is required.

[kraut1]

10 hours ago, Jackfraser24 said:

I picked the Do-335 because it’s a cool aircraft. It’s very fast for a piston engined aircraft, well armoured, and had a lot of potential to be a brilliant fighter.

If you would like to have the Do335 and the He162 you should add the P80 Shooting Star and the Gloster Meteor too to have a new Module similar "The Secret Weapons of the Luftwaffe" or "IL2: 1946".

[Jackfraser24]

P-63 anyone?

[BMA_FlyingShark]

7 hours ago, Jackfraser24 said:

P-63 anyone?

One for me please.

 

Have a nice day.

 

[Jackfraser24]

On 5/22/2024 at 4:16 AM, FlyingShark said:

One for me please.

 

Have a nice day.

 

Question. If you could choose ten aircraft to be on IL-2 that are not on it already, what would they be?

Edited May 22, 2024 by Jackfraser24

[BMA_FlyingShark]

1 hour ago, Jackfraser24 said:

Question. If you could choose ten aircraft to be on IL-2 that are not on it already, what would they be?

P-40 B/C

P-40 N

P-63

BF-109 G10

FW-190 A7

P-47 M

Fi Storch

Piper L-4 Grasshopper

Fiat G-55

Avro Lancaster

 

Have a nice day.

 

 

 

[Jackfraser24]

On 5/21/2024 at 7:53 AM, Enceladus828 said:

I disagree. I was doing a Spitfire 14 sortie in the Pilot Career where we flew from Blackbushe (in the very northernmost part of the map) to Cherbourg to do a patrol. We orbited for 5 minutes before I realized I was very low on fuel so turned back to base. Over the Solent I ran out of fuel. I took off with full tanks. We need Drop Tanks.

Question. If you could choose only ten aircraft to be in the game what would you choose?

[Enceladus828]

1 hour ago, Jackfraser24 said:

Question. If you could choose only ten aircraft to be in the game what would you choose?

B-25C/D (flyable)

Bf-110F

Pe-3

Hs-123

Mosquito Mk.IV

A-20G

P-39Q

Ju-87D-5

P-47M

IL-4

[Jackfraser24]

On 4/10/2024 at 2:40 AM, AEthelraedUnraed said:

 

If you could choose only 10 aircraft to be in the game that not already are, what would they be? 

[AEthelraedUnraed]

On 5/23/2024 at 7:46 AM, Jackfraser24 said:

If you could choose only 10 aircraft to be in the game that not already are, what would they be? 

Only 10, hard question...

 

For me, it really depends on the available maps as I'm only interested in historical scenarios. Given the current as well as upcoming maps (Odessa and Karelia), I'd go for the following. Note that I'm leaving out aircraft that have already been announced such as the I-153.

- Fokker D.XXI. Usable for both early 1940 and Continuation War scenarios. Also, I might be slightly biased since I'm Dutch

- MS.406. Again both Fall Gelb and Continuation War.

- Ju-87B. Early war on pretty much all fronts (including Barbarossa).

- Spitfire Mk.I. Good for early-war scenarios on the Normandy map.

- Hurricane Mk.I. Good for early combat on the Normandy and Rheinland maps.

- Bf-109E-1. See above.

- Do 17. See above; in addition it would add another German bomber.

- B-25/26 (flyable). Both are important medium to late war medium bombers, but we only need one of them.

- DB-3/IL-4. Important early-war Soviet bombers, but again we only really need one of them.

- Bristol Blenheim. Good for Fall Gelb/BoB/Continuation War scenarios.

 

I've interpreted your question as being about flyable aircraft only. If non-flyable aircraft are to be included, we really, really need a B-17 as target for some nice interception missions for the Germans. However we don't have the right map for it so I a flyable version isn't needed.

 

There's also some cross-correlation between the types I mention; some of them only make sense if some of the others are included; e.g. a Fall Gelb scenario only works if there are some aircraft from both sides.

[Jackfraser24]

On 5/19/2024 at 6:22 AM, Bonnot said:

 

Question. If you could choose ten aircraft to be on Great Battles that already are not, what would you choose?

[Jackfraser24]

Do-17 anybody?