WWII Aircraft Suggested Plane List

[CountZero]

hope no, it would be as usefule as this bubble spit 14 is LOL

[[CPT]Crunch]

Not about useful, it's about sales.  Without that you'll never end up with anything good.

[=621=Samikatz]

A late P-47 would be more interesting than a late P-51D. Only large benefit of a later block Mustang would be... HVARs? Did Mustangs use those in Europe?

[R33GZ]

3 hours ago, Avimimus said:

 

The A-36 and the Mustang I had two synchronised fifty calibres buried in the nose.

 

The Mustang I is actually pretty interesting in that respect - a 0.50 cal surrounded by a 0.303 on either side of it as the wing armament, plus two 0.50 calibres on the nose - with this entire armament later replaced with four 20mm Hispano cannons... it'd be quite a different experience. It was used on the Channel Map.

Didn't know the Mk1 had that setup, I thought it had 2x 0.50. I was aware the A-36 had that setup... but that's not part of the P-51 series.

 

There you go, it's 10.32am and I've learnt my new thing for the day. Might as well go home now ?

[Avimimus]

1 hour ago, R33GZ said:

Didn't know the Mk1 had that setup, I thought it had 2x 0.50. I was aware the A-36 had that setup... but that's not part of the P-51 series.

 

There you go, it's 10.32am and I've learnt my new thing for the day. Might as well go home now ?

 

I'm... not sure I follow your logic? Is it that Allison engine P-51s aren't part of the P-51 series? Or that having an attack rather than a pursuit designation means that it isn't part of the series (would that mean the F-51D not part of the series?

 

Anyway - I hope you have a safe trip!

[[CPT]Crunch]

I would like an M-3 gun option for sure, faster rate of fire with a higher muzzle velocity.  Oh yeah.

[R33GZ]

17 hours ago, Avimimus said:

 

I'm... not sure I follow your logic? Is it that Allison engine P-51s aren't part of the P-51 series? Or that having an attack rather than a pursuit designation means that it isn't part of the series (would that mean the F-51D not part of the series?

 

Anyway - I hope you have a safe trip!

I hadnt thought about it like that... it's not the attack/pursuit/fighter designation, rather the model number 36 that leads me to think of it as a separate aircraft, even though it is very similar in appearance. Maybe it should have been named a D-51? (Divebomber)

[Rjel]

On 4/3/2023 at 2:15 PM, R33GZ said:

I hadnt thought about it like that... it's not the attack/pursuit/fighter designation, rather the model number 36 that leads me to think of it as a separate aircraft, even though it is very similar in appearance. Maybe it should have been named a D-51? (Divebomber)

If I remember it correctly, there wasn't enough money in the budget for the Air Corp (at that time) to buy another fighter plane, already having the P-38, P-39 and P-40 coming into service. Someone in the know who understood the  procurement game, had the Apache designated as the A-36 as a go around the keep NAA in the fighter game. A wise decision in hind sight.

[Letka_13/Arrow_]

I am quite puzzled that we do not have Spitfire IXc or IXb with clipped wing options. I think it would be most appropriate for BON and was still a RAF workhorse at that time. Moreover it is in my opinion a really low hanging fruit for an easy development from IXe. 

[AEthelraedUnraed]

On 3/30/2023 at 11:54 AM, Jackfraser24 said:

Question 

If third Party developers wanted to make their own planes (like the IAR.80/81) would they have to follow a set of rules, guidelines and directions - like the textures and level of detail would have to match 1C’s, ect…

Yes. Both textures and model detail would have to adhere to certain guidelines concerning the amount of vertices (not too few, but not too much either or you'd need a supercomputer to fly it), resolution etc. as well as pass a more subjective quality check before they'd commit - possibly a quality check of past projects to prove you've got the necessary skills.

 

(Disclaimer: this is based on my personal knowledge of 3d modeling and game engines rather than any direct contact with the devs about any such project.)

[migmadmarine]

On 4/2/2023 at 2:57 PM, =621=Samikatz said:

A late P-47 would be more interesting than a late P-51D. Only large benefit of a later block Mustang would be... HVARs? Did Mustangs use those in Europe?

As I recall HVAR was never widely fielded in the ETO, being predominantly sent to the pacific. 

[LukeFF]

13 minutes ago, migmadmarine said:

As I recall HVAR was never widely fielded in the ETO, being predominantly sent to the pacific. 

 

Yes, I've not seen anything about USAAF Mustangs using rockets in Europe. Some RAF formations used RP-3s on theirs in Italy, but that's it.

 

 

HVARs were definitely used by P-47s of the 9th Air Force from ~late 1944.

[migmadmarine]

Oh, huh, neat. Were P-47 units using them in large amounts, or was it still a testing thing? I recall reading something about a couple units testing them out in the Normandy area after(?) the landings.

[LukeFF]

2 hours ago, migmadmarine said:

Oh, huh, neat. Were P-47 units using them in large amounts, or was it still a testing thing? I recall reading something about a couple units testing them out in the Normandy area after(?) the landings.

 

Dunno about the quantity, but more than a few squadrons were using them by the Battle of the Bulge. The 365th FS mentions their use quite a bit once 1945 rolls around. 

[BB_HRD]

The B-17, B-24, and Lancaster would be great additions to the game ... wait. What. No? Mmmmmm.

[Wardog5711]

[Gambit21]

[[CPT]milopugdog]

On 5/5/2023 at 12:25 PM, BB_HRD said:

The B-17, B-24, and Lancaster would be great additions to the game ... wait. What. No? Mmmmmm.

Pointless post is pointless

[422nd_Konnel]

B-25 or Gloster will be great asset to IL2.

[=GW=seaflanker819]

Make a la7 or yak3 wont kill you...SInce we have Spitfire XIV, Tempest, dora, 262, mustang,P47, some soviet advance aircraft is also needed.

[Jackfraser24]

Do-17 Z-2 Suggestion 

• Useful for Battle of Moscow. We’re deployed there.
• Help fill in the gaps for Moscow pilot career.
• Good power to weight ratio - 0.170 kW/kg.
• We need more bomber aircraft in the game. 
• Nice looking aircraft.

[Jackfraser24]

He-111 H-2 Suggestion

• Also useful for Battle of Moscow and Stalingrad career because they were used there.
• Also again, although it would only be a filler in Moscow or Stalingrad pilot career, it would make the experience more historically accurate, which in my opinion is a very high priority in a game like this.
• 500+ were built, so they were relatively numerous during the war.
• The He-111 H-2 is in IL-2 1946, so it would be great to have it in Great Battles. 
• It would be great to get an evolution of He-111 variants going like they have done with the Bf-109 and the Fw-190. That way we can appreciate the fact that the H-6 and the H-16 is better to fly in because of all the improvements made from discovering the earlier variant’s faults.

[Jackfraser24]

Ju-88 A-1 Suggestion

• Were used in Operation Barbarossa alongside the A-4 so although it would be a filler it would nonetheless be a valuable addition to Moscow pilot career (for the sake of making it all the more accurate). 
• Again, good to get an evolution display going like they have done with the 109 and 190 so we can appreciate the improvements learned from the faults from previous variants. 
• This was the first production variant of the Ju-88 so it would be cool to fly a bomber that was also used in the Battle of Britain. 
• Also, if you wanted to do a mock Battle of Britain with the Normandy map, this is one step in the right direction. 
• We need more Axis bombers. I mean we have the He-111 H-6 and the Ju-88 A-4, which is very good and all but but there are still many gaps to fill. Even if there was just one squadron operating around the Moscow area for only a month or so, it is very important to get it historically correct. That’s what pilot career is about right? Being able to go on missions that really did take place and fly in those exact variant/sub variant of aircraft that were flown on those very missions.
• Plus it’s a win win. 1CGS makes money grabber (I don’t care about that), and we have a new aircraft we’d be able to use in multiplayer, and AQMB rather than just pilot career. 

Edited May 15, 2023 by Jackfraser24

[FS-Sturmgeist]

German Bombers, maybe even Bombers in general or Aircraft with multiple crews should have Binoculars as do the Tank Commanders. This would be a Historical add-on since they were used and were part of their inventories. For example, Nose Gunner would have Bino's, or in JU-88c6 or Mossi it would be the Flight Engineer/Navigator. 

 

One last thing, being able to switch off Gun Pods would be great. In some cases in a 109, the Nose Cannon would be enough to handle the job. Without that option, it's just a waiste of Ammunition.

[FliegerAD]

On 5/15/2023 at 12:54 AM, Jackfraser24 said:

Ju-88 A-1 Suggestion

 

More Ju 88s are always great, but I prefer the late variants simply because they look great:

 

 

[FliegerAD]

Did you ever think that the Ju 88 C-6 might be too light a fighter?

You need a real heavy fighter?

 

Germany has got you covered:

 

 

 

That's the He 177 A-1/U2 Zerstörer. Two massive MK 101 cannons will make short work of that pesky Sunderlands and Liberators, and they were supposed to bust trains in the Soviet Union. What a glorious idea.

 

 

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Yes, I know. There is about a million reasons why this aircraft makes no sense for Il-2.

 

No more than twelve were build, and it is highly unlikely that any saw active combat. It is also way too big and complicated for Il-2.

In fact, it would be downright trolling if the devs decided that the first four-engined player-controlled aircraft is a German Zerstörer converted from a heavy bomber. (Well now that I wrote it... ?)

 

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No. What I would actually like to see is more heavy fighters that make sense:

• Beaufighter (any of them!)
• Pe-3
• Ju 88 R-2
• P-38L

Especially the Allies need more in that department now that the Germans have quite some variety (which I enjoy!).

[R7-S276]

some earlier models still equipped some unit of Luftwaffe in Russia, it would be great to have the He111-P2, the Ju87B2, the Bf109E4…

And more Italian and French airplanes… In Russia two hungarian squadrons had Potez633

Edited December 5, 2023 by R7-S276

[Jackfraser24]

10 hours ago, R7-S276 said:

some earlier models still equipped some unit of Luftwaffe in Russia, it would be great to have the He111-P2, the Ju87B2, the Bf109E4…

And more Italian and French airplanes… In Russia two hungarian squadrons had Potez633

One day hopefully. And the Russian Tupolev SB medium bomber family, DB-3's and the IL-4 would really come in handy in Battle of Moscow, Stalingrad and Kuban.

[Vladimir12]

A cool plane for early Eastern front whould be iar37/38/39 or Romanian pzl11

[GrungyMonkey]

The P-40N-1 would be a perfect collector aircraft.

 

 

It was used in the European theater well into 1944. Around 1000 lbs lighter than the P-40E, it could out turn all German fighters with ease. At low altitude it was faster than the 109, and gave the 190 a run for its money.

 

 

Its engine limits were written in wartime, which frees it from the timer issues that plague the E model.

[Falcon-90]

Polykarpov I-153, Henschel Hs-123 and Macchi MC.200 for Battle of Moscow/Stalingrad  Career...

[ITAF_Rani]

13 hours ago, Falcon-90 said:

Macchi MC.200

Ok they will not do Italy...hope at least in another italian plane in the game..

[Jackfraser24]

16 hours ago, ITAF_Rani said:

Ok they will not do Italy...hope at least in another italian plane in the game..

With this new generation of IL-2 coming up, I wouldn't say Italy is out of the question for good anymore. They mentioned that they will be able to do large cities when the time came to develop modules that had large cities, like Rome, and it will be easier to do (otherwise if they did it with the current Great Battles technology, the game will only run at 20 frames/second). And if the time comes I hope they add the Fiat G.55, Mc-205 and the Re.2005. Beautiful planes.

Edited January 28, 2024 by Jackfraser24

[Jackfraser24]

These are the aircraft I think that they should focus on before they wrap up production on Great Battles.

 

Axis

• Bf-109 E-3 (Used in Stalingrad by the Romanians)
• Bf-109 E-4 (Moscow and Stalingrad Pilot Career)
• Bf-109 G-10 (Bodenplatte Pilot Career)
• Bf-110 C-7 (Moscow and Stalingrad Pilot Career)
• Bf-110 D-1 (Long Range, Moscow and Stalingrad)
• Bf-110 F-2 (Moscow, Stalingrad and Kuban)
• Bf-110 G-4 (Night Fighter, Normandy)
• Do-17 Z-2 (Moscow, Stalingrad)
• Do-217 E-2/4 (Stalingrad, Kuban)
• Do-217 J-1/2 (Kuban, Normandy, Bodenplatte) (sold together)
• Do-217 K-1 (Kuban, Normandy, Bodenplatte)
• Do-217 M-1 (Normandy, Bodenplatte)
• Do-217 N-1/2 (Kuban, Normandy)
• Fw-190 A-4 (Stalingrad and Kuban)
• Fw-190 A9 (Bodenplatte)
• He-111 H-2/3 (Moscow, Stalingrad) (sold together)
• He-111 H-22/22, Normandy, Bodenplatte)
• He-162A (Bodenplatte)
• Ju-87 B-2 (Moscow, Stalingrad)
• Ju-87 D-5 (Kuban, Normandy,
• Ju-188 A-2 (Normandy, Bodenplatte)
• Ju-388 (Bodenplatte)

Allies

• A-20G (Kuban, Normandy, Bodenplatte)
• B-25 (Normandy, Bodenplatte)
• B-26 (Normandy, Bodenplatte)
• Buffalo Mk.I (Finnish)
• Fokker D.XXI (Finnish)
• Hurricane Mk.1 (Finnish)
• IL-4 (Stalingrad, Kuban)
• LaGG-3 Series 4 (Moscow, Stalingrad)
• LaGG-3 Series 35 (Stalingrad, Kuban)
• Mosquito Mk.IV (Normandy)
• Mosquito Mk.XVIII (Normandy, Bodenplatte)
• MS.406 (Finnish)
• MS.410 (Finnish)
• P-38L (Normandy, Bodeplatte)
• P-39 D-1/2 (Stalingrad, Kuban)
• P-40M (Stalingrad, Kuban)
• P-47 D-30 (Bodenplatte)
• P-51 D-20 (Bodenplatte)
• Pe-2 Series 359
• Pe-3bis (Moscow, Stalingrad, Kuban)
• SB-2 (Moscow, Stalingrad)
• Spitfire Mk.Va (Stalingrad, Kuban)
• Spitfire Mk.Vc (Stalingrad, Kuban, Normandy)
• Tomahawk Mk.II (Moscow, Stalingrad)

Just to mention, I don't expect even a quarter of these aircraft I have mentioned here to be done. I know that they do their best. I just want to see how many get through.

 

 

[Jackfraser24]

P-40M

 

Why they should do it

• Would appeal to P-40 fans and fans of Soviet Lend Lease aircraft. 
• The P-40M was used extensively on the Eastern Front
• It would be good to show players that the P-40 had improved from the E version. 
• Would find a major use on the Karelia map. 
• I don’t think the P-40 has had enough attention payed to it by the developers. I know they do their best and they have a business to maintain and it takes about a year to make a collector plane, but I really think it’s time to get another P-40 onto the list, one that is better to fly and not have to worry about keeping an eye on the engine. 
• Would create more Pilot Career options or replace the P-40E in places where it is actually filling in for later variants of the P-40. 

 

Edited February 2, 2024 by Jackfraser24

[Jackfraser24]

Bf-109 E-4

 

Why they should do it

• Used on the Eastern Front until 1942 so it would make Moscow and Stalingrad Pilot Career more historically accurate. 
• The Bf-109E version is a beautiful version of the Messerschmitt. I know we already have the E-7, but I’m sure many of you would like to see the E-4 in the game.
• I’m aware that the E-4 only has minor differences to the E-7, but we have three variations of the G-6 for goodness sake! If the G-6 late and the G-6AS were relevant enough to be added onto the plane list, I’m sure the E-4 is relevant enough to be added into the game too. 
• It was an original plane in IL-2 1946 series. I know it was way simpler for developers to make 229 planes and much quicker too but our expectations  for higher levels of detail has risen since the early 2000s, but they could use the E-7 as a template for the E-4 so they wouldn’t have to start completely from scratch. 

[Jackfraser24]

How likely are 1CGS are to make more collector planes/vehicles after they are done with the I-153 and the Ta-152 H-1? They may have said already but I didn’t pick up on it and it’s nearly midnight where I am so please forgive me for asking a question that has already been answered. 

[BMA_FlyingShark]

1 hour ago, Jackfraser24 said:

How likely are 1CGS are to make more collector planes/vehicles after they are done with the I-153 and the Ta-152 H-1?

In part Two of the video about the future of the series, they spoke about the Yak 3, La 7, JU88 D5 and, if I remember correctly, another version of the Bf 110.

 

Have a nice day.

 

Edited February 24, 2024 by FlyingShark

[nesher666]

On 12/20/2022 at 9:06 AM, nesher666 said:

- P-47D30 (with the optional tail fin modification for improved longitudinal stabilty and dive recovery flaps, HVAR capability) 

 

- P-47M (I know, dream-on baby...) 

 

Please consider these suggestions, especially in light of the recent P-47 updates/fixes, which finally brought justice to the Jug.

[Bonnot]

...WHAT !

No NEW 109 and No 24th  Spitfire in the pipeline ????   ???