WWII Aircraft Suggested Plane List

[FliegerAD]

 

Well, then here is my list for the Battle of Seelow Heights (proxy for the battle of Belin, and a significant event in Soviet/Russian historiography).

 

Axis

• Fw 190A-9 ... (the pinnacle of the radial 190s)
• Bf 109G-10
• Ta 152H
• Ju 87D-5 ... (a little out of place, but was it still used at night)
• Ju 88S or Ju 388

 

Allied

• Il-10 ... (the final evolution of the icon)
• Yak 3
• La 7
• P-39Q or P-63
• Il-4

 

 

 

 

On 12/25/2022 at 4:11 AM, Jackfraser24 said:

• Why the Ju-88 S variant should be made
• Useful in a Bodenplatte and Normandy pilot career
• Helps fill the gap for late war German bombers
• No other flight combat sim has made one before
• Fast(ish) bomber

 

+1

 

 

22 hours ago, LukeFF said:

 

Jack, c'mon... ?

 

The G-14/AS is just a G-6/AS that is fitted with MW50, and that's an option coming with the G-6/AS. It's explained in the recent development updates.

 

 

The G-14/AS had a larger oil cooler... well, some production batches had.

 

Still, not exactly something we desperately need.

[Jackfraser24]

15 hours ago, FliegerAD said:

Still, not exactly something we desperately need.

Well I’m sure as hell the Germans did!

[Aleksander55]

Yak-3, Yak-9U, LA-7, later P-39s or P-63 for late east front.

 

I-16-28 and earlier model Ju-87 DLCs for BOM.

 

Maybe earlier I-16 variants with weaker engines for BOM as well, seems they were still a majority over M-63 or M-62 engines.

[Jackfraser24]

Avia B-534 - Why this Czech biplane should be made.

• Fun to throw around - maneuverable.
• Battle of Moscow pilot career.
• Luftwaffe used 450+ units.
• Bulgaria was handed 78 units from the Luftwaffe.
• Would be nice to have a handful of prewar aircraft that were used on the Eastern Front.
• War Thunder doesn't have one yet. This is where 1CGS can get ahead.

[Jackfraser24]

P-40 B/C Tomahawk - Why it should be made.

• MUST for a Moscow, Stalingrad and Kuban pilot career.
• VVS pilots found it favorable to the I-16 and Hurricane.
• Challenging to fly - engine quite fragile, limited maneuverability, awful visibility below the nose and behind the cockpit.
• Capable of carrying 500lb bomb.
• Air frame is robust.
• Rudder will do what you want.
• Top speed 561 km/h at 4,500 m.
• Different enough to the P-40 E that it should be present in the game.
• Il-2 1946 has it.

[AEthelraedUnraed]

Honestly, are you building a list of every WW2 aircraft here? Or what is it that you're trying to accomplish? The only requirement for inclusion in this list seems to be that it flew in WW2. No importance is attached to the commercial viability of an aircraft. Most of them aren't commercially viable as DLC by any means.

 

So if it's not meant as a list of suggestions for the Devs for what they could develop (they need commercial viability above all else), and there are hardly any inclusion criteria, then what is the purpose of this list?

 

If the purpose is just to list all "interesting WW2 aircraft", then someone already did that for you: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aircraft_of_World_War_II

[LukeFF]

19 hours ago, Jackfraser24 said:

Battle of Moscow pilot career

 

0 were at Moscow

 

19 hours ago, Jackfraser24 said:

Luftwaffe used 450+ units

 

...almost all of which were used as trainers.

 

19 hours ago, Jackfraser24 said:

Bulgaria was handed 78 units from the Luftwaffe

 

Which has nothing to do with the maps we currently have, and almost none of them saw frontline service with Bulgaria.

 

19 hours ago, Jackfraser24 said:

Would be nice to have a handful of prewar aircraft that were used on the Eastern Front.

 

Their service on the Eastern Front was very, very negligible after the invasion of Poland in 1939.

 

19 hours ago, Jackfraser24 said:

War Thunder doesn't have one yet. This is where 1CGS can get ahead.

 

Seriously? ?

 

C'mon, even with a basic bit of research, you can make a better case than what you've done here.

 

18 hours ago, Jackfraser24 said:

Challenging to fly - engine quite fragile

 

The engine was not known for being fragile. That's a side effect of the overly strict engine limits the game has.

[ITAF_Rani]

So now that Italy will not be next DLC, could be possible to have this little italian plane to be added as collector?

 

 

Edited January 8, 2023 by ITAF_Rani

[Jackfraser24]

On 1/8/2023 at 12:18 AM, AEthelraedUnraed said:

Honestly, are you building a list of every WW2 aircraft here? Or what is it that you're trying to accomplish? The only requirement for inclusion in this list seems to be that it flew in WW2. No importance is attached to the commercial viability of an aircraft. Most of them aren't commercially viable as DLC by any means.

 

So if it's not meant as a list of suggestions for the Devs for what they could develop (they need commercial viability above all else), and there are hardly any inclusion criteria, then what is the purpose of this list?

 

If the purpose is just to list all "interesting WW2 aircraft", then someone already did that for you: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aircraft_of_World_War_II

I love planes. 

[Jackfraser24]

Vickers Wellington - why it should be a collector plane (especially for Normandy). 

• We haven’t got a British medium bomber yet. There’s the American A-20, B-25 and B-26 but we need a British livery on a British made bomber.
• Useful in Normandy pilot career in Coastal Command.
• If they decided to go to an area   where different Wellington variants were used they can base them off this collector plane made for BoN.
• 8x machine guns, 2,000 lbs bomb capacity. 
• Britain’s backbone medium bomber and most produced bomber overall - 11,000+ units built.
• Top speed - 410 km/h at 3,810 m.
• Range - 2,478 km/h.

[Jackfraser24]

Bristol Beaufighter MK.VIc or Mk.X - why it should be made as a collector plane for Normandy and Bodenplatte.

• Complements the Mosquito as a fighter bomber.
• Useful for Normandy and Bodenplate pilot career.
• Can be used as a torpedo bomber and a strike fighter (rockets).
• Saw a lot of service in Northwestern Europe.
• The name of the aircraft is drawn on the tally chalkboard in the Fw-190 D-9.
• On that note every non-heavy bomber written on the chalkboard except the Beaufighter are in the game. All the more reason to add it.
• 5,900+ were built so they were an important plane to the RAF.
• Would be a popular plane to have in IL-2. 
• If they wanted to make a Beaufighter variant for a future module or a future collector plane then they can base it off the Mk.VIc or the Mk.X.

Edited January 9, 2023 by Jackfraser24

[BraveSirRobin]

15 hours ago, Jackfraser24 said:

I love planes. 

And lists.

[Jackfraser24]

Just now, BraveSirRobin said:

And lists.

Exactly!

[Jackfraser24]

Shorts Stirling Mk.IV - Why it should be made.

• Used as a glider tower during the Normandy Landings.

Thats all I've got.

 

[BraveSirRobin]

6 hours ago, Jackfraser24 said:

Shorts Stirling Mk.IV - Why it should be made.

• Used as a glider tower during the Normandy Landings.

Thats all I've got.

 

How about the Blackburn Roc?  

[Enceladus828]

Jackfraser, kudos to you for being enthusiastic about WW2 and wanting planes not flyable or not in previous IL-2 games as well as maps not in previous IL-2 games in IL-2 GBs; if you’re a young person such as under 18 then it’s good to see a young person very interested in this stuff ?

 

However man, whenever you suggest a plane should be added, or where the next installment should be, please keep in mind how likely it would be that the devs would decide to model this plane over other planes and how likely the devs would go to this place compared to other places. You chose the Short Stirling; at this point nobody would be really interested in flying glider tugs and even making an AI plane like the Stirling wouldn’t be worth it when an AI B-17 or Lancaster could be made instead. The B-25 or B-26 could be made flyable over the Stirling. Also, the B-534 only really suits a 1939 scenario, which this game does not have. Lastly, unless a Burma installment is made then we probably won’t see a Wellington.

 

This isn’t like IL-2 1946 which has over 300 flyable planes, the development team consisted of probably 50-100 people, and they could make dozens of planes per installment due to lower Level of Detail, FM, etc. standards. Nowadays, this team (completely different from the original IL-2 team) can only make 10 planes with these planes chosen based on ensuring maximum amount of profits. Also, there are some installments you suggested that would work best as Collector maps where we have the planes just not the map, one example being Hungary 44-45.

 

I’m not trying to be hard on you, I’m just saying that your lists are starting to become an eyesore for most of us and whenever you suggest planes and installments, please consider the likelihood of this product selling compared to other planes and installments which would give the devs maximum profits.

 

Cheers.

[Jackfraser24]

1 hour ago, Enceladus said:

Jackfraser, kudos to you for being enthusiastic about WW2 and wanting planes not flyable or not in previous IL-2 games as well as maps not in previous IL-2 games in IL-2 GBs; if you’re a young person such as under 18 then it’s good to see a young person very interested in this stuff ?

 

However man, whenever you suggest a plane should be added, or where the next installment should be, please keep in mind how likely it would be that the devs would decide to model this plane over other planes and how likely the devs would go to this place compared to other places. You chose the Short Stirling; at this point nobody would be really interested in flying glider tugs and even making an AI plane like the Stirling wouldn’t be worth it when an AI B-17 or Lancaster could be made instead. The B-25 or B-26 could be made flyable over the Stirling. Also, the B-534 only really suits a 1939 scenario, which this game does not have. Lastly, unless a Burma installment is made then we probably won’t see a Wellington.

 

This isn’t like IL-2 1946 which has over 300 flyable planes, the development team consisted of probably 50-100 people, and they could make dozens of planes per installment due to lower Level of Detail, FM, etc. standards. Nowadays, this team (completely different from the original IL-2 team) can only make 10 planes with these planes chosen based on ensuring maximum amount of profits. Also, there are some installments you suggested that would work best as Collector maps where we have the planes just not the map, one example being Hungary 44-45.

 

I’m not trying to be hard on you, I’m just saying that your lists are starting to become an eyesore for most of us and whenever you suggest planes and installments, please consider the likelihood of this product selling compared to other planes and installments which would give the devs maximum profits.

 

Cheers.

Ok. I’ll stop.

[CUJO_1970]

I fully support the addition of the MC 200 as a collector aircraft.

[354thFG_Drewm3i-VR]

5 hours ago, CUJO_1970 said:

I fully support the addition of the MC 200 as a collector aircraft.

Me too ??...would love to see less German planes and more non-German Axis planes for a while.

[JG7_X-Man]

Historically speaking:

• We could use the Bristol Blenheim in every '41 - '43  map we have.
• We could use the Spitfire II on the Channel map for the '41 - '42 period.

 

[sevenless]

I guess they only release collector planes which can be integrated in already existing career modes. So if you think about RAF career planes, these ones might be more relevant:

 

- Spitfire LF Mk Vc (could be integrated in BoN)

- Spitfire Mk. VII (could be integrated in BoN)

- Spitfire LF Mk IXc ( could be used on BoN and BoBP careers)

- Spitfire Mk. XII (could be integrated in BoN)

 

Don´t get me wrong, I´d love to have a Channel map which allows battles from 1940-1945 to fly the whole war in a career, but it just isn´t there.

Edited January 12, 2023 by sevenless

[Jackfraser24]

On 1/10/2023 at 9:01 PM, Jackfraser24 said:

Ok. I’ll stop.

I’m not doing it anymore. I just don’t want to irritate people. 
 

Ps. Don’t write anything that’ll change my mind. Thank you.

[BraveSirRobin]

5 minutes ago, Jackfraser24 said:

I’m not doing it anymore. I just don’t want to irritate people. 
 

Ps. Don’t write anything that’ll change my mind. Thank you.

Don’t worry about irritating people.  They can just avoid your threads.  But you do appear to be listing every aircraft that flew in the war, so you should probably expect some snark about that.

[Guest deleted@83466]

Oh my god, Krusty, you still have no idea who you are dealing with here, do you? ?

[Jackfraser24]

1 hour ago, BraveSirRobin said:

Don’t worry about irritating people.  They can just avoid your threads.  But you do appear to be listing every aircraft that flew in the war, so you should probably expect some snark about that.

That got me 93.576% of the way to changing my mind. Please, for your own sanity!

[parkerc341]

11 hours ago, Jackfraser24 said:

That got me 93.576% of the way to changing my mind. Please, for your own sanity!

Don't stop, you give me lists to read and learn about new planes.

[[CPT]milopugdog]

I like your threads. Positive, consistent, and concise. Makes for good toilet reading.

[AEthelraedUnraed]

I also agree that you don't need to stop - just change the concept a bit. Right now, your choices of aircraft are too far-fetched to make them good suggestions for new collector planes, while the descriptions are too short and incomplete to make for very interesting reading. I think you could do either of the following:

- Pick suggestions that actually have any chance to make it a collector plane, which means that you also have to look at them from a business perspective.

- Or, keep your choice of planes but start another thread in the Free Subject forum - perhaps call it Fraser's Fabulous Filing of Fascinating Flying-machines - and post some interesting information, fun facts and a couple of pictures of the aircraft you choose.

Edited January 21, 2023 by AEthelraedUnraed

[Knarley-Bob]

On 12/26/2022 at 3:04 AM, LukeFF said:

 

The E-4 is just an E-7 that can't carry a drop tank. Pointless addition.

Drop tank? Tell me how many planes on this sim carry drop tanks? ?

Yup, THAT is a legitimate argument...................good grief.

KB

[DD_Arthur]

On 1/9/2023 at 11:51 PM, Jackfraser24 said:

Shorts Stirling Mk.IV - Why it should be made.

• Used as a glider tower during the Normandy Landings.

Thats all I've got.

 

Actually, having the Stirling does make some sense with the maps we have.

The Stirling was the RAF’s first four engine bomber to be used operationally in WW2.

In the period ‘41 - ‘42 Fighter Command was under the direction of a f*ckwit who became determined to throw away the lives of his pilots by bombing Frenchmen. In theory this would draw the LW to battle.

Quite how this would bring Berlin to surrender is still a mystery but the Stirling - with a large Spitfire escort - was regularly put up as bait to entice the LW into the air over northern France.

 

 

Edited January 21, 2023 by DD_Arthur

[Barnacles]

On 11/27/2022 at 6:33 AM, Talon_ said:

Hardly saw combat. I can think of lots of planes that would make more sense.

Like the Arado 234 with 20mm gunpod? 

[gimpy117]

On 11/27/2022 at 1:33 AM, Talon_ said:

Hardly saw combat. I can think of lots of planes that would make more sense.

you're right! we should have got more allied medium bombers before we got jets! 

[FliegerAD]

1 hour ago, gimpy117 said:

you're right! we should have got more allied medium bombers before we got jets! 

 

I would prefer the Beaufighter but still... yes, far more important than the Meteor.

 

 

4 hours ago, Barnacles said:

Like the Arado 234 with 20mm gunpod? 

 

It's gunpod is a bonus, not it's reason to exist in game. I don't get what so difficult to understand about the difference between adding a mod to an aircraft that was coming either way, and a wholly new aircraft.

...and not a maximum effort mod, btw, since we lack the Revi Sommer installed.

[CountZero]

3 hours ago, FliegerAD said:

 

I would prefer the Beaufighter but still... yes, far more important than the Meteor.

 

 

 

It's gunpod is a bonus, not it's reason to exist in game. I don't get what so difficult to understand about the difference between adding a mod to an aircraft that was coming either way, and a wholly new aircraft.

...and not a maximum effort mod, btw, since we lack the Revi Sommer installed.

like P-38 with 150oct mod  oh wait ?

 

funny how some airplanes get their ONE of a kined mods but thers dont get some more used ones...

 

if there was some consistancy in mods selection then you would not have ppl pointing obviously strange ones like 234 got

[FliegerAD]

17 hours ago, CountZero said:

if there was some consistancy in mods selection then you would not have ppl pointing obviously strange ones like 234 got

 

Absolutely. And if this was a threat about mods or the inconsistency of mod availability, I would agree.

 

It is not.

 

This is a threat about a totally new aircraft; the selection of mods for certain aircraft has zero relevance for the selection of airplanes themselves.

So this whataboutism is misplaced. ...that is to assume there was a good place for it.

[Jackfraser24]

Question 

If third Party developers wanted to make their own planes (like the IAR.80/81) would they have to follow a set of rules, guidelines and directions - like the textures and level of detail would have to match 1C’s, ect…

[Thomas_1945]

Are we going to see P51 D-30 in the game eventually??? I think it would be a great addition considering extra armament in fuselage.

[BlitzPig_EL]

Extra armament?  It still has the same 6 .50 Brownings as all the Ds have.

[R33GZ]

I didn't think any of the p-51 series had centerline weapons? Everything was wing station wasn't it?

[Avimimus]

37 minutes ago, R33GZ said:

I didn't think any of the p-51 series had centerline weapons? Everything was wing station wasn't it?

 

The A-36 and the Mustang I had two synchronised fifty calibres buried in the nose.

 

The Mustang I is actually pretty interesting in that respect - a 0.50 cal surrounded by a 0.303 on either side of it as the wing armament, plus two 0.50 calibres on the nose - with this entire armament later replaced with four 20mm Hispano cannons... it'd be quite a different experience. It was used on the Channel Map.

Edited April 2, 2023 by Avimimus