camel spin recovery

[gil3591]

what is the procedure for recovering from a spin in a camel?

[Flashy]

https://youtu.be/MtFR91ZpZ2s?t=212

[Trooper117]

13 hours ago, gil3591 said:

what is the procedure for recovering from a spin in a camel?

 

Wait until 2 seconds before it hits the ground, and then jump out... works every time!

[AndyJWest]

Yeah the Camel can be a pig to get out of a left hand spin. Watching Col Ninny's video makes one thing apparent though, which probably explains why. It never reaches a steady state, but oscillates between pitching up and reducing yaw/roll, and  rolling faster while pitching down. I suspect the real key to recovery is timing elevator pitch movement to de-stall it just as the yaw is at its minimum. It may even benefit from 'rocking' in pitch for fastest recovery. 

 

Given how much the fuel state affects pitch stability in the Camel, that will be a factor too. With more fuel, the CG is further back, and with a fullish tank, recovery may be very tricky indeed. I have my suspicions that the IL-2 GB Camel's flight model may be overdoing some of the instabilities (and the gyroscopic effects) though, making recovery harder. It's post-stall behaviour is at least more credible than the Dr.1, which does some very odd things indeed.

 

The physics and aerodynamics of spinning is horrendously complex, so it's not surprising that IL-2 GBs spin behaviour can be a little off sometimes. In general, it models spins better than any other sim I'm aware of, with the exception of DCS jets, where higher prices allow developers the luxury of putting in much more time and effort into it - necessary given the distinctive spin/post-stall characteristics of most later jet fighters. And with DCS, the developers generally have detailed documentation of the spin characteristics for a type. Not really true for many WWII fighters (which fortunately mostly seem to recover well enough with standard techniques), and definitely not true for WWI, where it took a long time for even basic knowledge of recovery techniques to be taught, and documentation is negligible.

[Avimimus]

44 minutes ago, Trooper117 said:

 

Wait until 2 seconds before it hits the ground, and then jump out... works every time!

 

In rise of flight there was overpressure modelled, but with less fragmentation modelling - so one could actually drop bombs at the right moment to create a cushion of air to break the descent. It worked in some two-seaters at least (not sure about the camel).