kraut1 Posted September 6 Posted September 6 18 minutes ago, Sandmarken said: Someone good with the surface editor coud probably make a ww1 project for the normandy map. I think for very late September-November 1918 missions, when the front had moved away from the total static 1916-spring 1918 front area, it would be sufficient just to exchange the surfaces of the big 1944 airfields with concrete runways by deleting the whole surfaces and copying whole existing grass - airfields to the location. Same could be done for 1940 BoF / BoB. 1
ACG_Bussard Posted September 6 Posted September 6 (edited) True, the Super Zeppelin is practically crying for an north-eastward expansion of the Normandy map 😁 Edited September 6 by ACG_Bussard 1 1
Enceladus828 Posted September 6 Posted September 6 I’ve already suggested it to Jaegermeister and he seemed interested.
JG4_Moltke1871 Posted September 6 Posted September 6 In addition, there will be combat missions to raid airship bases and missions to repel such raids. I really hope the rear of the map can be used for strikes in deep enemy territory, like this example of strikes No. 55 squadron, as long the map provides these targets. Attacking some of these Zeppelin bases will have surely „to Hell and back“ character 🙂 Also German Bomber raids depart in the rear and attack the rear of Belgium and France (Paris) would be very welcome. By the way, I really enjoyed the transfer flight from Alquines to Ochey in the Handley Page Career 😜
Luftschiff Posted September 6 Posted September 6 19 hours ago, Tonester said: Impressive!…no great surprise though given what they have already created for us. i know less than bugger all about these machines and cant help but wonder how they werent relatively easy to shoot down being such a big target? Would it just be a matter of one bullet on target and lights out?…or were they a bit tougher than that? They're not as easy to bring down as most people think - unless you mean a direct hit by an anti aircraft cannon. As mentioned in the text the primary defense was that airships can fly far above the operational ceiling of most aircraft, and even when the could be reached, climbing to that height would take so long that interception was impossible unless the aeroplane was already in the right time and place when airships were spotted. Performance of aircraft was also VERY poor at those altitudes. Similar to the issues faced by the japanese against the B-29. As for bullets - to be very brief a steel core bullet would either harmlessly strike framing or pass right through, making a tiny hole in one of 19 individual gas cells. These cells can be patched by crew mid flight and together contain just shy of two million cubic feet of gas. Needless to say it takes a great many holes and some time before loss of lift becomes a critical problem. Machine guns were considered ineffective against Zeppelins. Incendiary bullets made this MUCH more dangerous but even then the hydrogen needs to mix with oxygen in some quantity before an explosion can occur. Now, slightly inclement WEATHER on the other hand...😬 1 1
CB77Don246 Posted September 6 Posted September 6 Thanks and I have just ditched WOFF after so many problems running it so I have only FC for my WW1 FLING looking forward more power to FC.
ACG_Bussard Posted September 6 Posted September 6 (edited) 3 hours ago, JG4_Moltke1871 said: In addition, there will be combat missions to raid airship bases and missions to repel such raids. I really hope the rear of the map can be used for strikes in deep enemy territory, like this example of strikes No. 55 squadron, as long the map provides these targets. Attacking some of these Zeppelin bases will have surely „to Hell and back“ character 🙂 Great idea to bring also a reworked Rhineland map with an extenstion into the south-west into play. When we do scare them away? Edited September 6 by ACG_Bussard 1
ACG_Bussard Posted September 6 Posted September 6 1 hour ago, Luftschiff said: As for bullets - to be very brief a steel core bullet would either harmlessly strike framing or pass right through, making a tiny hole in one of 19 individual gas cells. These cells can be patched by crew mid flight and together contain just shy of two million cubic feet of gas. Needless to say it takes a great many holes and some time before loss of lift becomes a critical problem. Machine guns were considered ineffective against Zeppelins. Incendiary bullets made this MUCH more dangerous but even then the hydrogen needs to mix with oxygen in some quantity before an explosion can occur. All they needed was a bovine appendix! Done! 🤭
Luftschiff Posted September 6 Posted September 6 2 minutes ago, ACG_Bussard said: All they needed was a bovine appendix! Done! 🤭 Thousands! 😄 Your cows are now a strategic resource. 4
JG4_Moltke1871 Posted September 6 Posted September 6 2 hours ago, ACG_Bussard said: Great idea to bring also a reworked Rhineland map with an extenstion into the south-west into play. When we do scare them away? Just combine the Western Front with Normandy and Rheinland while the Rheinland Map gets some little little expansions to the black forest in the south and to Nordholz ( or maybe Jütland 😜) in the North, don’t forget include London to the Normandy Map. Shouldn’t be that much effort and it opens the gate for Dreadnought collector vessels😅😅 (nobody takes this post too seriously, please 😜) 2
Rjel Posted September 7 Posted September 7 On 9/5/2025 at 6:10 PM, BlitzPig_EL said: Can't wait to engage one with a Mustang. My first thought too. 2
Jackfraser24 Posted September 8 Posted September 8 (edited) 54 minutes ago, bycomet said: Can't wait to see a crashing Zeppelin. Imagine getting hit by a blimp? "It kills over one Americans every year!" Edited September 8 by Jackfraser24
giftgruen Posted September 8 Posted September 8 (edited) On 9/6/2025 at 3:14 AM, Enceladus828 said: With all due respect to the developers and Ugra Media if the Zeppelin is the last FC aircraft (at least for a long time) then I got to wonder why this was picked when some long requested planes like the BE2c, Caudron G.IV, Albatross C.I, Rumpler C.V and even fan favourites like the Felixstowe were omitted? Is making one of those take longer than the Zeppelin? Sure, the Zeppelin is a cool aircraft and I'll have fun flying my Sopwith Pup and SPAD VII against it, it's just that one of those 5 would have been the better option for the final FC aircraft. True. While it may be funny to hunt a Zeppelin, there are bigger issues in FC that should have been addressed more urgent. FM Revisions ( Albatros, SE5 ), early 2-seaters and a usable AI, to name some topics which imho are way way more important than Zeppelins. However. Thanks to the Devs. Edited September 8 by giftgruen 1 1
1PL-Husar-1Esk Posted September 8 Posted September 8 1 hour ago, giftgruen said: True. While it may be funny to hunt a Zeppelin, there are bigger issues in FC that should have been addressed more urgent. FM Revisions ( Albatros, SE5 ), early 2-seaters and a usable AI, to name some topics which imho are way way more important than Zeppelins. However. Thanks to the Devs. Plus more engine power for Dr.1 ,our FC version is castrated version of ROF last patch but Camel is not... 2
Crashbangwallop Posted September 8 Posted September 8 England was not the only part of Britain affected by Zeppelin raids. In Scotland, April 1916, an attack on the naval docks at Rosyth ended up as a raid across Edinburgh and Leith – resulting in about twenty fatalities and some damage. The maps in the linked article track the airship as it twisted and turned over Edinburgh (with surprisingly tight curves) https://threadinburgh.scot/2022/09/23/the-thread-about-the-zeppelin-air-raid-that-terrorised-edinburgh-and-leith-in-1916-and-left-14-dead-and-24-wounded/ The personal tragedy and shock apart, I loved the response of blank shots from the Castle's One O' Clock gun... 1 1
=69.GIAP=VLADI Posted September 8 Posted September 8 8 hours ago, Crashbangwallop said: England was not the only part of Britain affected by Zeppelin raids. In Scotland, April 1916, an attack on the naval docks at Rosyth ended up as a raid across Edinburgh and Leith – resulting in about twenty fatalities and some damage. The maps in the linked article track the airship as it twisted and turned over Edinburgh (with surprisingly tight curves) https://threadinburgh.scot/2022/09/23/the-thread-about-the-zeppelin-air-raid-that-terrorised-edinburgh-and-leith-in-1916-and-left-14-dead-and-24-wounded/ The personal tragedy and shock apart, I loved the response of blank shots from the Castle's One O' Clock gun... Good read, thanks. Very interesting! 1 1
ST_Catchov Posted September 8 Posted September 8 9 hours ago, Crashbangwallop said: England was not the only part of Britain affected by Zeppelin raids. True. But when we say an England/Channel map is needed it naturally includes Scotland because Scotland is part of England innit like Wales and stuff. 4
Zooropa_Fly Posted September 9 Posted September 9 'Great Britain' as it is, is composed of England, Scotland, Wales, and N. Ireland. And a bit misleading to call England the SE part of GB I think. And that rascal Catchov was being a bit tongue in cheek ! Referring to the fact that the entirety of the UK is often simply called 'England', usually to the disgust of us Scots.. the Welsh.. and the Irish. S! 2
Flashy Posted September 9 Posted September 9 Dont know how I missed this on Friday, but I am SUPER excited to finally see this in the air and try to shoot it down. Screenies look awesome too, so thanks to the devs and everyone involved in the creation of this beast! hopefully we will see it released before the end of the year! 1
Flashy Posted September 9 Posted September 9 On 9/6/2025 at 1:46 PM, WW_666Wolf666 said: Oh come on!! we need nocturnal raids over England!!! We need a Channel map with those beasts!!! It is a real pity we never got the channel map in FC, as well as early war planes like the Be2c as it would be perfect for the zeppelin, but unfortunately WW1 just isnt very profitable to develop stuff for.. really does make me quite sad that 1C cant justify the investment to create more "interesting" content like early war aircraft, the channel map and bringing the Felixstowe and Hansa-Brandenburg over to FC, but I guess there are worse injustices in the world, so it is what it is.. maybe one day it will all come together.. 2
1PL-Husar-1Esk Posted September 9 Posted September 9 On 9/6/2025 at 4:27 AM, LukeFF said: We're not doing this, going around and around, because you don't like the decisions that were made. This is what has been chosen, and that's final. I think most multiplayer and single player community would choose new early planes, new engines to old crates, FM albatross fix etc. rather than AI zeppelin. Nobody asked and don't listen to community that's why community is not pleased with that team decision. What we can do is just take whatever you make for our beloved genere. 1
1CGS LukeFF Posted September 9 Author 1CGS Posted September 9 1 hour ago, 1PL-Husar-1Esk said: I think most multiplayer and single player community would choose new early planes, new engines to old crates, FM albatross fix etc. rather than AI zeppelin. Nobody asked and don't listen to community that's why community is not pleased with that team decision. What we can do is just take whatever you make for our beloved genere. The Zeppelin has been asked for a lot over the years, going back to the early days of Rise of Flight. 🙂 5
1PL-Husar-1Esk Posted September 9 Posted September 9 (edited) 23 minutes ago, LukeFF said: The Zeppelin has been asked for a lot over the years, going back to the early days of Rise of Flight. 🙂 I was there. Then silence came because more important things came out. Community change their wish for list I believe. Edited September 9 by 1PL-Husar-1Esk
giftgruen Posted September 9 Posted September 9 4 hours ago, LukeFF said: The Zeppelin has been asked for a lot over the years, going back to the early days of Rise of Flight. 🙂 When I scan the forum, indeed I find a lot of compliants about missing Zeppelins, but almost no one who mentioned dumb AI, missing 2seaters for balance and questions regarding FM of Albs and others 🙂
Enceladus828 Posted September 9 Posted September 9 (edited) 11 hours ago, Flashy said: It is a real pity we never got the channel map in FC, as well as early war planes like the Be2c as it would be perfect for the zeppelin, but unfortunately WW1 just isnt very profitable to develop stuff for.. really does make me quite sad that 1C cant justify the investment to create more "interesting" content like early war aircraft, the channel map and bringing the Felixstowe and Hansa-Brandenburg over to FC, but I guess there are worse injustices in the world, so it is what it is.. maybe one day it will all come together.. Well, Rise of Flight sold well enough for the Channel and Tarnopol maps to be added, we just didn’t see more content for the latter as by that point all efforts switched to BoS/GBs, and FC2 sold well enough for FC3 to immediately follow and then FC4, Paris to be modelled as well as 3 non-RoF aircraft so to say WW1 this isn’t that profitable to do such things is false (save for some things where aerial combat was incredibly limited). My guess as to why the Channel Map isn’t coming is because Ugra is doing other projects and doesn’t have time or they have chosen to make all new maps in the Korea engine with less dated technology. Though I do hope to see the Felixstowe added… especially for the VR players. Sorry it’s just a pet peeve I have when people say RoF and or FC didn’t sell very well 🙂 Edited September 9 by Enceladus828
JG4_Moltke1871 Posted September 9 Posted September 9 On one side I also have not much hope for the channel map. On the other hand, the R class zeppelins mainly where used in the northern sea and against England. This could be a hint for a surprise but I don’t want to speculate too much 😅😅 Every additional content is welcome as long they don’t forget there is still some work to do with some flight models, engines etc…
ST_Catchov Posted September 9 Posted September 9 I like the Zeppelin addition ... but it comes with obvious requirements. 😉 I don't recall anyone asking for Paris but we got it. The devs move in mysterious ways at times so anything is possible. FC is incomplete.
BraveSirRobin Posted September 9 Posted September 9 4 minutes ago, ST_Catchov said: I like the Zeppelin addition ... but it comes with obvious requirements. 😉 I don't recall anyone asking for Paris but we got it. The devs move in mysterious ways at times so anything is possible. FC is incomplete. People were asking for Paris for RoF.
plepew Posted September 10 Posted September 10 Fantastic news!! Really looking forward to hunting those Zeppelins and attacking/defending their bases. And more refinement of the Western Front maps coming too. Many thanks to the devs for these wonderful freebies! 1
1PL-Husar-1Esk Posted September 10 Posted September 10 (edited) 11 hours ago, BraveSirRobin said: People were asking for Paris for RoF. If so It was 10 years ago, what was asked 10 years ago is not the same now. Edited September 10 by 1PL-Husar-1Esk 1
Flashy Posted September 10 Posted September 10 10 hours ago, Enceladus828 said: Well, Rise of Flight sold well enough for the Channel and Tarnopol maps to be added, we just didn’t see more content for the latter as by that point all efforts switched to BoS/GBs, and FC2 sold well enough for FC3 to immediately follow and then FC4, Paris to be modelled as well as 3 non-RoF aircraft so to say WW1 this isn’t that profitable to do such things is false (save for some things where aerial combat was incredibly limited). My guess as to why the Channel Map isn’t coming is because Ugra is doing other projects and doesn’t have time or they have chosen to make all new maps in the Korea engine with less dated technology. Though I do hope to see the Felixstowe added… especially for the VR players. Sorry it’s just a pet peeve I have when people say RoF and or FC didn’t sell very well 🙂 I hear you, and RoF did indeed keep 777 (and NeoQB) afloat for quite a few years, but even back in RoF day there were quite a few posts from Jason and others that implied the game was kinda struggling financially, so I think they were making ends meet, but thats about it. My opinion of course. Since they moved to WW2, It seems they have been doing a lot better financially (makes sense - the WW2 market is much bigger than WW1) and I get the distinct impression that the WW2 content has been carrying some of the development cost for the WW1 stuff. I am happy to be corrected by someone who knows better, but I think the main reason they havent ever developed early WW1 planes like a Be2 and an early C-class German 2 seater is because they know they wont sell well enough to make sense financially, and that time and money can be better spent on WW2 (and now Korean) content. Its not so much that WW1 doesnt sell "well", its just that it doesnt sell as well as WW2 stuff. And if you are wearing your sensible trousers, you will go for the stuff that makes the most sense financially.. 3 1
Aapje Posted September 10 Posted September 10 14 hours ago, Enceladus828 said: Well, Rise of Flight sold well enough for the Channel and Tarnopol maps to be added, we just didn’t see more content for the latter as by that point all efforts switched to BoS/GBs, and FC2 sold well enough for FC3 to immediately follow and then FC4, Paris to be modelled as well as 3 non-RoF aircraft so to say WW1 this isn’t that profitable to do such things is false (save for some things where aerial combat was incredibly limited). We actually have no idea whether later volumes of FC were dependent on good sales of the earlier volumes. You are taking speculation as fact. It could just as easily be true that they committed to all 4 volumes at the start, regardless of how well the volumes sold. That FC3 followed so soon after FC2 suggests rather strongly that FC3 was already in the works before FC2 was released, and then couldn't even have taken the sales for FC2 into account before committing to FC3.
BraveSirRobin Posted September 10 Posted September 10 6 hours ago, 1PL-Husar-1Esk said: If so It was 10 years ago, what was asked 10 years ago is not the same now. You are arguing with the wrong person. I don’t care how they prioritize their projects. If they make something that interests me, I buy it. 1 1
1CGS LukeFF Posted September 10 Author 1CGS Posted September 10 Guys, we are getting off-topic here with talking about sales numbers of prior projects. Let's please bring it back around and try to focus on the positive, thank you. 🙂 1
PatrickAWlson Posted September 10 Posted September 10 On 9/5/2025 at 2:57 PM, Trooper117 said: It's AI only... Where is Dr. Zebra when you need him? He would, no doubt, repeat Willie Coppens Zeppelin landing in short order. 1
ST_Catchov Posted September 11 Posted September 11 On 9/11/2025 at 1:22 AM, LukeFF said: Guys, we are getting off-topic here with talking about sales numbers of prior projects. Let's please bring it back around and try to focus on the positive, thank you. 🙂 Quite right too. I hate sales speculation; it serves no purpose and can lead to unwanted vigorous debate with lots of sarcastic laugh emoji's. So Luke, when will this fabulous update be released and will it be freeware for owners of one or more FC modules? 1 2
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