Please me109 with GM1

[ElotheSaint]

Please me109 with GM1 family like the me109k2 or the me109K0 with GM1 and the me109f4Z or the me109G5

Edited June 18 by ElotheSaint

[-250H-Ursus_]

You are asking to much unusual variants of Bf-109s such as Bf-109K-4 with the 20mm cannon on the nose (Most likely unique to a Single Prototype)
The 109F4/Z, which has no sense for Stalingrad or any of the modules where the time lapse and front where the 109F4 is involved

The K-0, a preproduction plane. 

Bf-109G-5 which is 109G-6 with presurized cockpit, and GM1 is not G-5 exclusive thing, G-6 was able to use it to.

What about something less rare like 109G-10? Since is the only which makes sense, and would be the last one to add, as well, 109s already have their super unicorn stuff in game such as 109K-4 with DC Engine, on prime condition, with MW50 kits, to think in all those 109s with specific mods, such as the 109K4 with 20mm nose canon, or the specific GM1 variants of high altitude, in game there is a 109G-6AS filling that role.

We have plenty of 109s in game to think to add all the existent variants of 109, which most of them are modifications of G-6, which not were the standard at very least

 

Edited June 21 by -250H-Ursus_

[ElotheSaint]

But the me109 with GM1 is a lot better the high altitude(The GM1 is a lot better optimized to the high altitude than As series).The as series increase a little power in the me109 at altitude below 7000 meters but not much and with this aircraft you cant fight against a P51 because the mustang is better,because the mustang are better optimized for the high altitud than the me109as,but the me109 with GM1 is better optimized than the p51 in the high altitud above 7000 meters(when the me109g6as began to lose power and the the mustang increase power).But the me109 GM1 are better optimized than the mustang.

  And i want a me109k4 with GM1(because some configurations from 109 in the war has GM1 to combat in very high altitud, but most common is the W50 but was available the GM1 too)because If was other kind me109 like g6 the combat is equated against mustang for example because the me109g6 with Gm1 is better optimized for the high altitude but the mustang has better top speed.But with the me 109k4 has better top speed than the mustang in some altitudes and with GM1 has better optimized for the high altitude than the mustang.That the reason why i want the me109k4 with not the me109g10 with GM1 o other like G6 with GM1 because the combat i guess it`s going to be equated.

And about the one 20 cannon ,i read that in the armament configuration in the me109k4 you could choose one 20mil cannon intead the 30cannons.And the 30cannon is effective againts the bombers but not against fighters and with this configuration of armament is a headshake to hit fighters because isn`t against the fighters.

[ElotheSaint]

16 minutes ago, ElotheSaint said:

But the me109 with GM1 is a lot better the high altitude(The GM1 is a lot better optimized to the high altitude than As series).The as series increase a little power in the me109 at altitude below 7000 meters but not much and with this aircraft you cant fight against a P51 because the mustang is better,because the mustang are better optimized for the high altitud than the me109as,but the me109 with GM1 is better optimized than the p51 in the high altitud above 7000 meters(when the me109g6as began to lose power and the the mustang increase power).But the me109 GM1 are better optimized than the mustang.

  And i want a me109k4 with GM1(because some configurations from 109 in the war has GM1 to combat in very high altitud, but most common is the W50 but was available the GM1 too)because If was other kind me109 like g6 the combat is equated against mustang for example because the me109g6 with Gm1 is better optimized for the high altitude but the mustang has better top speed.But with the me 109k4 has better top speed than the mustang in some altitudes and with GM1 has better optimized for the high altitude than the mustang.That the reason why i want the me109k4 with not the me109g10 with GM1 o other like G6 with GM1 because the combat i guess it`s going to be equated.

And about the one 20 cannon ,i read that in the armament configuration in the me109k4 you could choose one 20mil cannon intead the 30cannons.And the 30cannon is effective againts the bombers but not against fighters and with this configuration of armament is a headshake to hit fighters because isn`t against the fighter.

And that i ask for the chat gpt if you can choose one 20cannons instead the 30cannos and answer this:

Yes, on the Bf 109 K-4, you can choose to equip it with a single 20mm cannon instead of the default 30mm cannon. This involves replacing the engine-mounted 30mm cannon with a 20mm cannon firing through the propeller hub, known as a Motorkanone. Additionally, you can equip the aircraft with 20mm gunpods under the wings, further enhancing its firepower. 

 

Edited June 27 by ElotheSaint

[LukeFF]

2 hours ago, ElotheSaint said:

And about the one 20 cannon ,i read that in the armament configuration in the me109k4 you could choose one 20mil cannon intead the 30cannons.

 

No, only one K series plane is known to have been fitted with a 20 mm cannon, and that was a prototype. All production K-4s had an MK 108.

 

2 hours ago, ElotheSaint said:

And i want a me109k4 with GM1

 

Where have you read about the K-4 having GM-1?

[ElotheSaint]

I ask that for chat gpt and answer than the me109k4 can use one 20 cannon instead the 30cannon.And also it coulb be use Mw50 or GM1 but read most common is MW50,but GM1 the me109k4 use too.

[LukeFF]

Yes, well... 🙂

[-250H-Ursus_]

13 hours ago, ElotheSaint said:

I ask that for chat gpt and answer than the me109k4 can use one 20 cannon instead the 30cannon.And also it coulb be use Mw50 or GM1 but read most common is MW50,but GM1 the me109k4 use too.

ChatGPT...  are you serious?

 

 

16 hours ago, ElotheSaint said:

But the me109 with GM1 is a lot better the high altitude(The GM1 is a lot better optimized to the high altitude than As series).The as series increase a little power in the me109 at altitude below 7000 meters but not much and with this aircraft you cant fight against a P51 because the mustang is better,because the mustang are better optimized for the high altitud than the me109as,but the me109 with GM1 is better optimized than the p51 in the high altitud above 7000 meters(when the me109g6as began to lose power and the the mustang increase power).But the me109 GM1 are better optimized than the mustang.

  And i want a me109k4 with GM1(because some configurations from 109 in the war has GM1 to combat in very high altitud, but most common is the W50 but was available the GM1 too)because If was other kind me109 like g6 the combat is equated against mustang for example because the me109g6 with Gm1 is better optimized for the high altitude but the mustang has better top speed.But with the me 109k4 has better top speed than the mustang in some altitudes and with GM1 has better optimized for the high altitude than the mustang.That the reason why i want the me109k4 with not the me109g10 with GM1 o other like G6 with GM1 because the combat i guess it`s going to be equated.

And about the one 20 cannon ,i read that in the armament configuration in the me109k4 you could choose one 20mil cannon intead the 30cannons.And the 30cannon is effective againts the bombers but not against fighters and with this configuration of armament is a headshake to hit fighters because isn`t against the fighters.

Ok let split this:

1.- Can you provide actual data, and with that data ACTUAL NUMBERS, of Bf-109K-4 using GM1? And If there is trials and data. HOW MANY were deployed in the war?

2.- So your problem is that you don't know how to fight P-51s thats your main problem and you want a super-counter to it. That is so many levels of wrong that i don't know where it begins and it ends.

3.- If you want high altitude fighters you have Ta-152. And i don't see you asking for the equal at those alts for the Allies, like planes such as P-47M, or worse, Jets to try to counter Me-262 like Meteor Mk III, i only see you wanting things for Bf-109 which doesn't need or, in the case of K-4. never used or never had like GM1 + MW50 + 20mm nosecannon all in one. All your problems is  "P-51 this P-51 that P-51 than Bf-109K (in particular)"

 

[357th_KW]

I doubt we'll ever see it, and they were fairly rare and niche setups, but it would be cool to see something like a 109G-5 or 109G-1 with GM-1.

 

That said, the G-6/AS does quite well against it's American opponents in high altitude scenarios.  On paper, the US birds still have an edge at high altitude and in a 1 v 1 duel it might be rough if the other pilot knows what they are doing.  But in a big, complex scenario with bombers and escorts and interceptors you can definitely have a lot of success with the G-6/AS.

 

 

Edited June 29 by 357th_KW

[ElotheSaint]

This i read en chat gpt:

Yes, the Bf 109 K-4, the last major production variant of the Messerschmitt Bf 109, could be equipped with the GM-1 nitrous oxide injection system for enhanced performance at high altitudes during World War II. The GM-1 system provided a boost to engine power by injecting nitrous oxide into the engine, improving performance at higher altitudes. This system was particularly useful for high-altitude interceptors like the Bf 109K-4. 

 

Here's a more detailed explanation:

• GM-1 System:

  The GM-1 system was a way to increase engine power at high altitudes by injecting nitrous oxide into the engine. 

   
• Bf 109 K-4:

  This was the final major production variant of the Bf 109, and it was equipped with the GM-1 system for high-altitude operations. 

   
• High-Altitude Interceptor:

  The Bf 109K-4, with its GM-1 system, was employed as a high-altitude interceptor to counter Allied bombers. 

   
• Other Boost Systems:

  The Bf 109K-4 could also be fitted with the MW 50 water/methanol injection system, primarily for enhanced performance at lower to medium altitudes. 

   
• Operational Use:

  The Bf 109K-4 was used by the Luftwaffe in the latter stages of the wa

And about one 20 cannon instead 30cannon the chat gpt asnwer this:

 

Yes, the Bf 109 K-4 could be equipped with either a 30mm cannon or a 20mm cannon firing through the propeller hub. While the 30mm MK 108 cannon was a common choice, some K-4s retained the 20mm MG 151 cannon. 

 

Here's a more detailed breakdown: 

 

• Bf 109 K-4 Variants:

  The Bf 109 K-4, the final production variant of the Bf 109, could be fitted with different engine-mounted weapons.
• 30mm MK 108:

  The Rheinmetall MK 108 30mm cannon was a belt-fed, low-velocity weapon, often chosen for its high explosive power. It was mounted to fire through the propeller hub.
• 20mm MG 151:

  The 20mm MG 151 cannon was a more common and lighter weapon. It was also capable of firing through the propeller hub.
• Other Armament:

  In addition to the engine-mounted cannon, the Bf 109 K-4 typically carried two 13mm MG 131 machine guns mounted above the engine.

[AndyJWest]

Please stop quoting ChatGPT as if it is some sort of authority on anything. It isn't. It is nothing but a next-word-guessing algorithm that has been fed humongous quantities of dubiously-sourced text as 'data'. It routinely makes stuff up.

 

 

[LukeFF]

Locking this up. When you have properly sourced data we can reopen this discussion in a new thread.