Looking through the development threads (and Announcements)....it's such a depressing read :(

May 28

On a bit of a whim, I decided to read through the TFS Notes section and this section, and after seeing the dates the threads were posted, and the current state of play, it feels like nothing has changed.

I read 'hopes' and 'would likes' in so many of them, but realistically, as an end user, what has anyone seen changed from any of them?

As it stands, we have seen a Typhoon in the game...and that's it. Nearly two years since FaF was officially announced.

New Aircraft

Focke-Wulf 190A-1

Focke-Wulf 190A-2

Focke-Wulf 190A-3

Messerschmitt Bf-109G-2

Messerschmitt Bf-110F-1

Messerschmitt Bf-110F-2

Junkers Ju-88C-6

Junkers Ju-88A-4

Spitfire Mk VC

Spitfire Mk VC 'Clipped Wing'

Spitfire Mk IXA

P-51A-83

P-51A-91

B-17E

Wellington III

Beaufighter VIC

Typhoon Mk IA

Typhoon Mk IB

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So how many of those aircraft has anyone seen fully working, flying, in cockpit (moving) apart from the Typhoon?

Still after a decade since it was announced, no VR available.

Still after six-years, no sign of Truesky being available

Still two-years since the move began to Speedtree 8.42, and it has already been stated that they will then move to Speedtree v9 as it wasn't ready when they started moving from 5.2 to 8.42, no sign of an updated Speedtree being available.

Further to that, the initial excitement of the Discord Channel where TFS members like @batmacumba were very active, supportive and interested in player feedback, has fallen silent.

@Soto_Cinematics has stated we are getting a May update, but let's be honest, 6 months after FaF should have been released, if there isn't a truly significant update showcasing a lot of progress, then we are effectively as much in limbo as we have ever been.

I read over and over again, "Work continues"......but what work? Is it time for some honesty on the overall situation and likelihood that v6.0 may never see the light of day (at least in most of our lifetimes!) and if it does....the chances of v6.5/7.0/8.0 are just wishful thinking?

This negativity is only brought on by the cycle of; New community manager, gets involved, stirs up conversation. Gets left in a vacuum....forum dies over and over again.

How many days before release?

May 28

Sorry, but 10 years for VR is probably an exaggeration, right? I would say about 5 years. And VR is not the only thing they are working on... I would rather wait than have something come out prematurely and then the game will crash or freeze, etc.

We will definitely see the completion...

I think they can't solve some big problem and have reached a dead end where they try again and again...

Edited May 28 by Buffo002

May 28

11 minutes ago, Buffo002 said:

Sorry, but 10 years for VR is probably an exaggeration, right? I would say about 5 years. And VR is not the only thing they are working on... I would rather wait than have something come out prematurely and then the game will crash or freeze, etc.

We will definitely see the completion...

I think they can't solve some big problem and have reached a dead end where they try again and again...

Fair enough, 9 years and 3 months

Edited May 28 by Mysticpuma

May 28

A politician once said: It's the economy Stupid.😉 If TFS is a sole proprietorship and all that is available for sale is Blitz/DWT then ways must be found to maintain sales. If you are stuck in believing that promises of the VR/VU and TF 6.0 are ever going to be delivered, good luck!

Hopefully early in the Fall (no guarantees)

May 28

1 hour ago, Mysticpuma said:

Spravedlivé, 9 let a 3 měsíce

So, I'm sorry, it's getting late, but they're just not doing well and unfortunately it's taking a while.

May 28

Just now, Dagwoodyt said:

A politician once said: It's the economy Stupid.😉 If TFS is a sole proprietorship and all that is available for sale is Blitz/DWT then ways must be found to maintain sales. If you are stuck in believing that promises of the VR/VU and TF 6.0 are ever going to be delivered, good luck!

Hopefully early in the Fall (no guarantees)

As far as I know, TFS once said that if people are interested in the game, they will buy it and ask questions and solve something together, then we will continue working on it together. If not, then we will stop. But I think that they already have a lot of things done for addons that they have yet to plan, some people have left and new people have come and it also takes them a while to get into it, even if you are a pro, it takes a while to get into some unfinished project. As for VR, I don't care, I play 2D and I won't play VR, but then again I understand that they probably have some problem somewhere (big) and they can't move on with it yet and they don't just do VR. And as for information about new things that are being worked on or are going to be released, it seems to me that CoD (recently) gives more frequent information than other developers of other games. If you go to the IL-2 GB forum (NEWS), now this weekend a subscription of new maps and 2 seasons and new aircraft is supposed to arrive, so they wrote about what's new there after a month, etc., but before that the last one was 17.12.2024, before that 15.11.2024 then 20.9.2024 then 18.6.2024, so they let you know sometimes they don't write anything for more than 2 months. (Of course, I wrote only about IL-2 GB, of course, in the meantime there is also information about Flying Circus, Korea, Tank Crew, but those are like different simulators.

May 28

This is the TFS proprietor's commitment. Nowhere is there disclaimer that his boast of "free" visual upgrade is contingent upon me as an end user becoming a contributing member of TFS.

If you want to now say that my contribution was an unstated requirement, then his entire commitment is meaningless. 🤔

May 28

It's a dead game, folks - always has been since Blitz released.

May 28

Well, on the one hand, everything you've said is true Mystic. On the other hand, depending on what is going on at the moment, things might be about to get much worse.

So there's lots of room for optimism, at least until the other shoe drops. (I think that's the right usage?)

Frankly anyone still connected with TFS at this point needs to have a good long hard at themselves and decide whether they think this continued "wtf is going on" phase is good for the community or not.

May 28

I read somewhere that they had the VR working but were working on adding more stuff before releasing it. I don't get why they don't release what they have instead of waiting. I think interest will die down with time. Why not release what you already have working?

May 28

3 minutes ago, HazMatt said:

I read somewhere that they had the VR working but were working on adding more stuff before releasing it. I don't get why they don't release what they have instead of waiting. I think interest will die down with time. Why not release what you already have working?

If you watch the Enigma video there is a segment in which the developers contend that VR is extremely frustrating for developers to implement as they chuckle in the background. Of course VR is undoubtedly most frustrating to those developers who have been unable to produce a saleable implementation.

That the interview is conducted by someone who makes statements that seem openly hostile toward VR seems bizarre. His focus is on multiplayer. So the TFS proprietor is touting a working VR implementation, but won't release it because it wouldn't have trueSKY and Speedtree 8/9. A purpose that video would seem most apt to serve would be to generate a few more sales for Blitz/DWT and perhaps a bit more online activity.

May 29

19 hours ago, 354thFG_Leifr said:

It's a dead game, folks - always has been since Blitz released.

I am curious. If you really believe this, and - of course - you have every right to have an opinion, why do you regularly come here?

May 29

1 hour ago, major_setback said:

I am curious. If you really believe this, and - of course - you have every right to have an opinion, why do you regularly come here?

Why go after individuals? Please just respond to the OP if you are able. If you cannot do that please don't pick individuals to pursue.

TY🙂

Edited May 29 by Dagwoodyt

May 29

21 minutes ago, Dagwoodyt said:

Why go after individuals? Please just respond to the OP if you are able. If you cannot do that please don't pick individuals to pursue.

TY🙂

But that's not attacking an individual. It's an opinion from a different perspective. I also don't agree that the game is dead. Thanks to a certain person who created dynamic campaigns, I regularly play CoD and sometimes static campaigns. But he just wanted to say that the person in question is always complaining that nothing is happening. Of course he is and they have a lot to do, and TFS is not obliged to regularly solve what they did this week or last, they have other worries, simply if the person in question doesn't want to wait, then let him not keep complaining or play a different game, it's everyone's free decision. And I simply think that TFS will now keep what it promised once, that if all the problems are not solved, there will be no new update or new addon. After all, they have already written about it so many times and some probably don't understand it ... there are so many missions in so many campaigns and I don't play online, but only OFFline Single player. For example: dynamic campaigns (old but good) Air Warfare, The Enlightened Florist Campaigns, using the good old Desastersoft Campaigns campaign mod, IL2DCE (new author, successor to Silkysky), The Oden and of course static campaigns. That's why I don't like it when someone says the game is dead. They just edit and edit, that's why nothing new has come out and if everything isn't fixed and works reliably, nothing new will come out yet.

May 29

30 minutes ago, Buffo002 said:

But that's not attacking an individual. It's an opinion from a different perspective. I also don't agree that the game is dead. Thanks to a certain person who created dynamic campaigns, I regularly play CoD and sometimes static campaigns. But he just wanted to say that the person in question is always complaining that nothing is happening. Of course he is and they have a lot to do, and TFS is not obliged to regularly solve what they did this week or last, they have other worries, simply if the person in question doesn't want to wait, then let him not keep complaining or play a different game, it's everyone's free decision. And I simply think that TFS will now keep what it promised once, that if all the problems are not solved, there will be no new update or new addon. After all, they have already written about it so many times and some probably don't understand it ... there are so many missions in so many campaigns and I don't play online, but only OFFline Single player. For example: dynamic campaigns (old but good) Air Warfare, The Enlightened Florist Campaigns, using the good old Desastersoft Campaigns campaign mod, IL2DCE (new author, successor to Silkysky), The Oden and of course static campaigns. That's why I don't like it when someone says the game is dead. They just edit and edit, that's why nothing new has come out and if everything isn't fixed and works reliably, nothing new will come out yet.

That's a fair point, but the Campaigns you speak of are all external hobbiest created.

That's not the same as Truesky, Speedtree, VR, VU, aircraft, etc., which are what most of us hangers on are interested in learning about...but everyone is still in limbo.

May 29

6 minutes ago, Mysticpuma said:

That's a fair point, but the Campaigns you speak of are all external hobbiest created.

That's not the same as Truesky, Speedtree, VR, VU, aircraft, etc., which are what most of us hangers on are interested in learning about...but everyone is still in limbo.

Yes, you're right, I was just responding to the fact that it's not a dead game. If third-party programs are used for this, I don't care, these programs have revived the game. But TFS is also a hobby, it's not their main job and I'm also impatient to see what will be new and when. But we won't speed it up with swearing and insults. Patience.

May 29

When you choose to single someone out to ask why they are here that is getting personal by definition. They are here because they are a forum member. The question is irrelevant to the thread subject matter.🤔

May 29

I'm asking myself why I'm still here

May 30

I'm still wondering by what calculation TFS expected to "release" the VU by Fall 2022. There are enough TFS mysteries to keep an audience for the foreseeable future.😉

May 30

And now I remembered what else I wanted to write, I forgot about it before, TFS is also a 3rd party in a way, which has nothing to do with the original IL-2 CoD (Oleg et al.). But the thing is, they took on an unfinished project that was never completed by the original developers. That's why there are such problems with it and it takes a long time. I'm glad they took it on and over the years they've done a lot of work and I believe they'll make it up to you that it's not their job that feeds them and their families, it's a big responsibility.

May 30

I think there's a big difference between fixing the original broken release and trying to update the graphics engine for things like VR.

When improvements were limited to fixing broken code, adding aircraft, maps and other such features then the progress was good.

Trying to add VR, update speedtree etc is patently at a completely different level of complexity and unfortunately this appears to have been prioritised over more practical improvements, presumably in the belief that these features are required for commercial success.

There is so much that could have been done in the last few years e.g. better ground textures; AI corrections and improvements; fixing the voice acting; improving the campaign mechanism. These issues will still be there if the VR update is released...

May 30

The development in this game was always a matter of being patiently.

I can only guess here, but to me it appears think they are trying to make steps that are too big. Stay to the low hanging fruit, like when introducing new planes, then only as AI plane and not trying to make them player flyable. For the actual flyable plane set they could make the different versions, like a nightfighter conversion from the bf110/ju88.

About the difficulties in the VR mode, was thinking: is it not a simpler way to optimize this game for working with VR software like VorpX, instead of burning who knows eventually 10y labor in VR?

Despite I do miss my favorite plane, the little nibble little FIAT, I will not go back anymore because of the lack of decent VR support.

Edited May 30 by Dutch2

May 30

18 hours ago, major_setback said:

I am curious. If you really believe this, and - of course - you have every right to have an opinion, why do you regularly come here?

Belive me, many will come back and "necrophiling" this game.

May 30

If it were up to me, I'd have released a VR update for CloD as soon as it was functional, never mind the SpeedTree or whatever else, gather more user interest and potentially more sales and use that to push out the release of the core improvements. Right now it looks like TFS are trying to solve too many big problems simultaneously while the users/customers lose patience and move onto other things.

In the next six months into mid-2026 there will be Il-2 Korea (albeit early access), possibly something more substantive from Combat Pilot (this is more a feeling; I don't have anything to back this up!), the remainder (probably) of the Il-2 Odessa stuff and who knows what from other developers. In short, there's a lot of stuff out there competing from time and money.

May 30

30 minutes ago, AtomicP said:

If it were up to me, I'd have released a VR update for CloD as soon as it was functional, never mind the SpeedTree or whatever else, gather more user interest and potentially more sales and use that to push out the release of the core improvements.

Why would TFS announce successful VR implementation by presenting the announcement to someone who doesn't use VR? If it's a successful implementation wouldn't you present it to someone who would want to test, verify and report on your implementation?🤣

May 30

I think that there are a lot of things that TFS is working on, it's not just VR, although VR is probably the most complicated. But let's say they release a new patch where maps and aircraft models will be in 4K. Then there will be a 14-day break and then some will start complaining about when TRUE Sky will be, when VR will be, the game will stop again, etc. Then in 3 months they release a new patch with new ships, vehicles, objects, tanks, armored vehicles and maybe something else, then there will be another 14-day break and in 3 weeks some will complain again about when VR, Trusky, new DLC, etc. In another 2 months, another patch will come out with new 4K graphics, new integration of grass and small aspects, etc. and again some will complain, it would be over and over again, if TFS released it one patch at a time, for example. in 3 months... who would be interested, so I'm not surprised that when everything is resolved they will make a big patch with new DLC. As they have said here several times.

May 30

I think they would gain a lot of breathing space if they released a working version of Truesky.

The only realistic way to stop this fading away completely would be to release TS, let players enjoy it, then while everyone is occupied with that, TFS get another 6 months to work on Speedtree and VR. Release a Speedtree update, then work on getting VR sorted. You gain 18 months leeway with that. Perpetual kicking the can down the road, forever, just kills any enthusiasm. I know we have had any hope and expectation beaten out of us, but is it time for the suggestion to finally be considered, DON'T release it all in one go, just bring Truesky to the table and then carry on working on other things.

The glacial progress inspires little hope for any release before the end of 2026, but with the VU update being spread over that period, at least players (I mean let's be honest, what few there are left of us), would have something to experience and talk about, instead of this blinkered mindset of one way or no way.

May 30

23 hours ago, Dagwoodyt said:

Why go after individuals? Please just respond to the OP if you are able. If you cannot do that please don't pick individuals to pursue.

TY🙂

It was not an attack. I am curious. Genuinely!

"I am curious. If you really believe this, and - of course - you have every right to have an opinion, why do you regularly come here?"

Edited May 30 by major_setback

May 30

On 5/29/2025 at 4:15 PM, major_setback said:

I am curious. If you really believe this, and - of course - you have every right to have an opinion, why do you regularly come here?

You didn't ask me, but I share the same sentiments. For me it's a 3 part answer. 1) morbid curiosity and a desire to say "I told you so" 2) personal investment and 3) hope that at some point a responsible adult is going to be involved and we see some progress.

Sure, not proud of the first one but when it's been as long as it has, and involved some of the stuff it has, difficult to let go. 2nd one, having bought blitz and DW for the SoW server, plus DW for myself, plus the hours spent on SoW, I'm invested. I've always said the potential of yhe game is phenomenal. It's just been squandered by mismanagement. And 3rd, self explanatory. I personally do not believe that while buzzsaw is in charge, this can be a success. Track record and history kinda proves that much IMO.

May 30

22 minutes ago, major_setback said:

It was not an attack. I am curious. Genuinely!

"I am curious. If you really believe this, and - of course - you have every right to have an opinion, why do you regularly come here?"

The question got my attention because it is eerily similar to a question that was directed at me and accompanied by vulgarity. I believe I was later informed by a moderator that the comment had been deleted.

When someone who is a TFS member or affiliate does that to another forum member and then suggests that the person having been subject to the attack, try to join TFS to help out, it hurts credibility of the organization. Who would want to join if that kind of demeanor is considered acceptable. If I recall correctly, you may have given a "like" to the question that was posed to me.🤔

May 30

On 5/29/2025 at 4:15 PM, major_setback said:

I am curious. If you really believe this, and - of course - you have every right to have an opinion, why do you regularly come here?

Because I've been involved with Cliffs since the original release and the banana forum, then ATAG, and now here. I am as invested in this product as yourself and others. 😊

May 30

Asking why any of us is here is simply a deflection. Substantial questions have been posed in this thread and apparently there is no one authorized to respond. Maybe the explanation is that TFS is a sole proprietorship where information is shared piecemeal within a hierarchy with only those few at the very top knowing more than a snippet of the whole picture. The Enigma video is especially troubling since the interviewer volunteers an extremely negative attitude toward VR and I don't see any real pushback from TFS. So did TFS ever want to commit to VR or was it forced on them and they are now stuck with it and very unhappy? I don't expect an answer to this question, but that is what I suspect might be what's going on.

May 31

@Soto_Cinematics

Is there a May update coming as the April one was missed/cancelled?

May 31

And today..if missed, means two more months with no update after a great start?

May 31

May 31

A few minutes before the heat death of the universe, there will be a conversation between two grizzled old CLOD fanatics who insist that the Visual Upgrade is literally just around the corner.

June 1

9 hours ago, No.54_Reddog said:

A few minutes before the heat death of the universe, there will be a conversation between two grizzled old CLOD fanatics who insist that the Visual Upgrade is literally just around the corner.

Edited June 1 by Mysticpuma

June 1

23 hours ago, Lorena_Scout said:

the April update😄

June 2

Hello guys.

It's no secret that there was not an update for the last 2 months. I was not able to get enough substantial news together to make these posts (or nothing that we didn't already know). I've checked on our team members and they are working in the background in their free time as always. New Channel map 1940 is nearing completion, coding work continues on VR, etc. Mission making continues. P-51 work continues.

June 2

Most players understand this, only some individuals want to know what's new almost every week or 14 days, all the time. IL-2 GB published notifications about new releases with an interval of 1 month, 2 months and sometimes even 3 month to half a year and no one complained there. And that's a professional team, their job. (IL-2GB) TFS you are great and I look forward to any news or updates. Great work.

Edited June 2 by Buffo002

Looking through the development threads (and Announcements)....it's such a depressing read :(

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