Noob question about the cockpit view

[Spry_fighter]

few weeks back i saw this game and really wanted to play it, so i watched a few YouTube vids And noticed most people use VR or headtracking, since i can't use those i wanted to ask. Is it enjoyable to play only with a keyboard and mouse + joystick combo, using the mouse to look around the cockpit?

 

 

[R33GZ]

5 minutes ago, Spry_fighter said:

few weeks back i saw this game and really wanted to play it, so i watched a few YouTube vids And noticed most people use VR or headtracking, since i can't use those i wanted to ask. Is it enjoyable to play only with a keyboard and mouse + joystick combo, using the mouse to look around the cockpit?

 

 

I think you'd at least want a HOTAS setup. I use a hat button for view controll in the cockpit. It's a bit clunky, but I've been using it for so long it's second nature for me

[GasTeddy]

 

I'm using TM16000 + TWCS combo. In stick, I have programmed the hat 8 direction w/ some pre-set zoom. Then, in throttle, there's a mini stick used with front finger. In it I have head rotation to every direction. TWCS has a wheel on left end of the handle, what I use w/ little finger and in it I have stepless zoom. That way I have pretty good all-around view w/o headtracker. 

[BaglanBoy]

Buy a TrackIr-5 pro motion tracker headset you will not regret it

Google the TrackIR -5 tutorial, which will help you with the set up 

[AlexandreCosta]

In the original IL-2 I used to play with a simple joystick and a mouse for looking around. In BOS I have nearly 200 hours on the same control scheme, then I bought a trackir 5, which of course is better. But by no means it's not playable, if for any reason you can't buy a trackir now. It needs some practice to use the mouse on the left hand, but once you get used it is quite easy. I suggest setting the throttle to the mouse wheel btw.

Edited April 30 by AlexandreCosta

[Cardolan]

17 hours ago, Spry_fighter said:

few weeks back i saw this game and really wanted to play it, so i watched a few YouTube vids And noticed most people use VR or headtracking, since i can't use those i wanted to ask. Is it enjoyable to play only with a keyboard and mouse + joystick combo, using the mouse to look around the cockpit?

 

 

 

Its absolutely enjoyable with a HOTAS setup and using padlock view. Dont use the mouse to look around, though - you only have two hands, I suppose! - I have the head control set to one of the joystick hat buttons.

Edited April 30 by Cardolan

[RNAS10_Mitchell]

You can get decent head tracking with a web camera,  face track software, and opentrack software.  Software is all free.

[AlexandreCosta]

3 hours ago, Cardolan said:

 

Its absolutely enjoyable with a HOTAS setup and using padlock view. Dont use the mouse to look around, though - you only have two hands, I suppose! - I have the head control set to one of the joystick hat buttons.

I understood he wants to try with a joystick only, not a HOTAS. Using the mouse to view is absolutely fine, gives a very good agility by the way.

[kraut1]

20 hours ago, Spry_fighter said:

few weeks back i saw this game and really wanted to play it, so i watched a few YouTube vids And noticed most people use VR or headtracking, since i can't use those i wanted to ask. Is it enjoyable to play only with a keyboard and mouse + joystick combo, using the mouse to look around the cockpit?

 

 

I use either VR or Joystick with coolie head, but rotate and move combined:

 

[kalerider1]

There are cheaper IR headtracking alternatives to TrackIR, such as Delanclip. I've been using it and very happy so far.

[I/JG53_Kurtz]

Another very good tracker with low price: 

 

https://www.trackhat.org/trackhat-opentrack

 

 

I'm using it since one year and I recommend it, it works well and don't need any item to be kept on the head. Sometime it requires some restart before working well in each game restart, but considering the quality/price ratio it is definitely worth it.

[peterk1]

The problem with mouse is that you need your right hand for the joystick.

You can try moving your mouse with your left hand, but then you're still screwed because you need your left hand for the throttle, which you do need to manipulate quite a bit.

If you get a joystick with a little hat control, it's not bad at all. Probably not for multiplayer, but the career mode will be fine.

[AlexandreCosta]

7 minutes ago, peterk1 said:

The problem with mouse is that you need your right hand for the joystick.

You can try moving your mouse with your left hand, but then you're still screwed because you need your left hand for the throttle, which you do need to manipulate quite a bit.

If you get a joystick with a little hat control, it's not bad at all. Probably not for multiplayer, but the career mode will be fine.

You can set the throttle to the mouse wheel. 

[peterk1]

Fair enough.

I never got used to manipulating the mouse with my left hand. It's pretty nasty.

I've heard about some players putting the mouse on the floor and using their feet.

[Trooper117]

10 hours ago, peterk1 said:

I've heard about some players putting the mouse on the floor and using their feet.

 

Yes, Hobbit's will tend to do that...

[TP-Mors]

The Cheapest way to head tracking that is reliable, by far, is Beam Eye Tracker - although you'll not need the eye tracking - coupled to OpenTrack. The only other things you'll need are a web camera and some patience in setting up your user curves.

[czech693]

You can use the hat with snap views for looking around the sky, most of us used that at one time (or with pan view, but it's slow).  Use your mouse to look around the cockpit when things are slow and you're not in a fight.

[jldjs1]

I've been using OpenTrack's Neural tracker with the Acela/Hamilton filter.  Using that filter you can adjust the rotation and positioning of your head to get smoother and quicker movements.  I've found that this filter is best at reducing the "drift" which can occur with rotational head movement.  All of this is available as free software.