Aircraft list (and possible additions)

[Talisman]

On 6/26/2024 at 1:53 AM, Stonehouse said:

 

Early helos?

Now you are talking.  

Happy landings,

 

Talisman

[Bell]

In the past, when announcing new BoX, they would provide a clear plane set, but this time it's different.

[Avimimus]

2 hours ago, Bell said:

In the past, when announcing new BoX, they would provide a clear plane set, but this time it's different.

 

That's not entirely true. If you go back and read earlier announcements you'll find some cases where a finalised list wasn't there. For instance, BoN pre-orders began with a list of aircraft that was tentative. In other cases they didn't announce the ninth and tenth aircraft until later.

 

When they announced Il2K they gave us five aircraft (which is a pretty clear plane set) and only held back the names of three. They also had a good reason to leave some flexibility here.

[LuftManu]

37 minutes ago, Bell said:

Are you kidding?Jason provided clear plane set when announcing BoN.

 

We will probably get a better view once they announce the planes on a DD or a video.

 

There is no Pre-purchase option so nobody is buying it blind! And the list will probably come before release, of course 

Right now there are already a few models that we can guess, are going to be flyable.

 

[Avimimus]

1 hour ago, Bell said:

Are you kidding?Jason provided clear plane set when announcing BoN.

 

If you read it a bit more carefully, you'll notice that the post you linked to contains the following:

"This is what we plan to build based on our current research and desires. Of course, if for any reason one of these planes cannot be built to our satisfaction, we will find a suitable replacement."

[Sokol1]

No Ai controlled "Mosquito" (AT-6D) marking grounds targets? They are nice in MiG Alley.

[LF_Mark_Krieger]

Based exclusivelly on information and clues given by developers, my guest of first releasing aircraft is:

 

USA piston

F-51D-25 Mustang (confirmed)
F-4U Corsair    (confirmed. Probably at least two variants. 4E with radar)
USA jet
F9F-5 Panther (probable by deduction of name of plane in screenshots)
F-80C Shooting Star (almost sure by deduction of name and images of plane in screenshots)
F-86A Sabre (confirmed)
F-84E/G Thunderjet (confirmed)
 

NK/RU/CH piston

Yak 9P (confirmed)
IL-10    (confirmed)
La-11   (probable in release by deduction of events anounced in the career)
NK/RU/CH jet
Mig-15Bis (confirmed)

IA aircraft
B-29 Superfortress (AI)     (almost sure by deduction of images of plane in screenshots)

Tu-2S (AI) (Confirmed)

Edited July 22, 2024 by LF_Mark_Krieger

[migmadmarine]

The Tu-2 is listed as available as AI on one of the main features pages of the website. 

[Duckman]

On 7/16/2024 at 5:39 AM, Aapje said:

Darkness is hard to do well, given the challenges that many flat monitors and VR headsets have with blacks, and because most people don't want to play in the dark. 

 

Good argument but I'll take it anyway. 🙂

 

Seriously, the colour issue is a good point but hardware is constantly improving. As for playing in the dark, yes it's a bit niche but not more than flying bombers (which you can also do in the dark of course). Night combat even has a selling point in that it's more of a solo pursuit which fits with how most people play.

[HylaHyla]

Grumman F7f Tigercat would get my vote for developers to consider. Performed actual although limited combat duties in Korea and scored kills. Very beautiful bird with an interesting history. A possible Collector Plane?  https://www.google.com/search?q=youtube+f7f+tigercat&rlz=1C1VDKB_enCA990CA990&oq=youtube+f7f&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUqBwgCECEYnwUyBggAEEUYOTIHCAEQIRigATIHCAIQIRifBdIBCjIxOTQxajFqMTWoAgiwAgE&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:b9e4a20b,vid:McLRvAVBJcA,st:0

[Avimimus]

With some interest expressed by developers in maybe (emphasis on the maybe) some day doing a Sea Fury - it makes me curious about what aircraft shared the deck with it.

 

The Seafire F.47 is interesting:

- It was the very last and most advanced Spitfire variant to be produced

- Could do 451 mph compared to the 362 mph of the Mk.1

- Had contra-rotating propellers... which makes it look pretty wild to be honest!

- Had a special elevator system to compensate for handling issues and restore responsiveness.

 

But they were withdrawn in 1950 dues to fatigue issues... which makes me wonder if they fall outside of the campaign timeframe... and if they ever shared the deck with the Sea Furies... Does anyone know exactly when they were withdrawn?

 

Model (built by Ngantik):

Spoiler

 

Video on engine, design, performance:

Spoiler

 

[migmadmarine]

The first RN carrier deployment right at the start of the conflict had Seafire 47s, but that was the only deployment, along with Fairey Firefly Mk.1. The later deployments had all Seafury and Firefly Mk.IV complements. So if they use a carrer expansion to build the map south to cover the start of the war, yea, Seafire could make an apperance, otherwise the FAA could be represented with the two aircraft (Seafury and Firefly Mk.IV) easily. 

[BlitzPig_EL]

 

Yes please!!!

 

 

[Avimimus]

I do find it a bit hard to imagine them doing a Sea Fury (with all the hassle of doing a British Carrier for it), and not including the Firefly as at least an AI aircraft... and I think it'd be pretty cool to escort the Fireflies. So, it is looking more plausible now (at least as AI).

 

I do wonder why the Sea Fury would seem a more likely choice than the Meteor F.8 though - given that you  have to build an entire carrier for it. Either would be pretty interesting to have. I kind-of want the Firefly as much or more than either of those, but I'm weird.

[deathmisser]

3 hours ago, Avimimus said:

I do find it a bit hard to imagine them doing a Sea Fury (with all the hassle of doing a British Carrier for it), and not including the Firefly as at least an AI aircraft... and I think it'd be pretty cool to escort the Fireflies. So, it is looking more plausible now (at least as AI).

 

I do wonder why the Sea Fury would seem a more likely choice than the Meteor F.8 though - given that you  have to build an entire carrier for it. Either would be pretty interesting to have. I kind-of want the Firefly as much or more than either of those, but I'm weird.

Having a British expansion alone I would pay for. 

 

Plus it givens them the opportunity to re-variant them later for other modules too. 

 

I think IL-2 K should keep the neesh era between 1945 and the first air to air missiles and GB to WW2, Like a Suez Crisis expansion would be fricking awesome to have.

  

Like if they time this right we could get something like this,

 

IL-2 Korea 2025,  IL-2 Korea 'British arrival' 2027, IL-2 Suez 2030, IL-2 1st Arab war 2033.

[BlitzPig_EL]

More like IL2 Korea, IL2 Korea Carriers, IL2 Pacific.

[deathmisser]

17 minutes ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

More like IL2 Korea, IL2 Korea Carriers, IL2 Pacific.

I mean they did say over water, they didn't mean which lol. 

 

The fact they already got some of the aircraft for Suez. 

 

Feels like they could go there next as it would be a lot less work. 

 

 

Edited August 2, 2024 by deathmisser

[LukeFF]

1 hour ago, deathmisser said:

I mean they did say over water, they didn't mean which lol. 

 

The fact they already got some of the aircraft for Suez. 

 

Feels like they could go there next as it would be a lot less work.

 

We said in our latest video the Pacific is already in the plans. 

[BlitzPig_EL]

Suez is even less well known than Korea, especially in North America, probably even less than the Spanish Civil War.

[MajorMagee]

Like this?

 

 

 

[ReleaseTheMiG17]

I would like to see F-86F-2 Sabre which has 4x 20mm cannons instead 6x 50cals.

 

 

It would be fun to play because the gun is prototype of the M39, later used in the Super Sabre and Northrop F-5s etc.

Edited August 25, 2024 by ReleaseTheMiG17

[nesher666]

F-94B as a collector plane (with the necessary radar functions and GCI support) later on in the development stage would be something really fun to play.

 

Edited August 25, 2024 by nesher666

[BlitzPig_EL]

As the F94 was designed as a bomber interceptor firing unguided rockets, what exactly would it's role be?

Edited August 25, 2024 by BlitzPig_EL

[Rjel]

54 minutes ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

As the F94 was designed as a bomber interceptor firing unguided rockets, what exactly would its role be?

It would generate some afterburner envy amongst the hoards of F-86 jocks. 

[LuftManu]

2 hours ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

As the F94 was designed as a bomber interceptor firing unguided rockets, what exactly would it's role be?

That's kind of a showstopper. Those "one trip" attacks with no missiles avalible... I think it won't be much enjoyable in a sim but hey, maybe it's cool for some!

If I could suggest another cool interceptor and night capable, I would say one that Avimimus already wrote on the first message. The F3D Skyknight.

 

 

 

 

 

It operatred from land bases and achieved the highest number of shootdowns of any carrier-based aircraft in the Korean War. IIRC

 

It had 4 cannons, and its tandem cockpit is surely interesting to use. It would be great if you could also take a companion next to you, in multicrew.

 

It would be a good opportunity to try out aircraft with two crew members, without it being a gunner.

 

If a simple radar can be made, that would be very nice. As long as the AI (if flying solo) notifies of contacts like a gunner does right noiw, but with the forward aspect and a bit more detail in distances and elevation, that would be usable and awesome. (plus guided by GCI)

 

Can you imagine how fun it would be to have a human next to you, too?

 

[nesher666]

4 hours ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

As the F94 was designed as a bomber interceptor firing unguided rockets, what exactly would it's role be?

The F-94B Starfire was armed with .50 machine guns (4 in the nose, under the radome, although MG pods could be carried under the wings), that's the F-94C version you are referring to, which was rocket equipped only.

 

The F-94B participated in the Korean war, it provided night CAPs/BARCAPs for the B-29 raids supplementing F3D Skyknights, which were much slower than the Starfires, and had less sophisticated airborne radars.

 

The Starfires had a very innovative radar system at the time, hence they were initially limited in their combat operations (they were used far away from the front line at the beginning), so that the Red forces wouldn't get their hands on the new equipment from a downed F-94. This doctrine changed however during the course of the war, as I mentioned it with the B-29 night CAPs/BARCAPs.

Edited August 25, 2024 by nesher666

[LuftManu]

47 minutes ago, nesher666 said:

The F-94B Starfire was armed with .50 machine guns (4 in the nose, under the radome, although MG pods could be carried under the wings), that's the F-94C version you are referring to, which was rocket equipped only.

 

The F-94B participated in the Korean war, it provided night CAPs/BARCAPs for the B-29 raids supplementing F3D Skyknights, which were much slower than the Starfires, and had less sophisticated airborne radars.

 

The Starfires had a very innovative radar system at the time, hence they were initially limited in their combat operations (they were used far away from the front line at the beginning), so that the Red forces wouldn't get their hands on the new equipment from a downed F-94. This doctrine changed however during the course of the war, as I mentioned it with the B-29 night CAPs/BARCAPs.

I stand corrected on this too! 

Thanks!

[Avimimus]

It is important to note that this is looking very far ahead (too far), and based on available source material, the commercial performance of Korea, and many other factors, any future product might look very different. The following post is just guess work.

That said, based on what the developers seem to be open to, we can begin to imagine what an expansion might look like.

 

At present there are almost enough candidates :
- F9-F (seen in a menu mock-up)
- AD-4 Skyraider (interest expressed by developers)
- Sea Fury FB.11 (interest expressed by developers)
- F-86E (mentioned as a possibility for the future)
- F-86F
- Mig-15 (ironically, the earlier variant was more common in the late war - so not sure how to refer to this)
- La-11

 

An additional aircraft or variant is required to make 8 aircraft for a full module, there are several candidates:

- F7F or F2H-2 or Fairy Firefly to complement carrier operations.

- Meteor F.8 or F-82 or Po-2 as land-planes.
- Alternatively, an additional variant of an existing aircraft could be modelled for the 8th slot (e.g. AU-1 Corsair, AD-2 Skyraider, another F9F variant or La-9).

 

Finally, if we were going by losses the priority for the additional aircraft would be A-26/B-26, AT-6, Meteor F.8, then Firefly). Personally speaking, as much as I'd like an F-82 or F7F, my own personal tendency is to model the airplanes which saw the most combat... which would mean going by losses.

[ThelVadam]

how  about  IS-2 1944  VS  m26/46

[Avimimus]

7 hours ago, ThelVadam said:

how  about  IS-2 1944  VS  m26/46

 

Were IS-2 deployed to Korea? I've heard it was just T-34/85!

 

The map should have more detail than Prokhorovka - so it should be possible to have tank based gameplay (in theory at least). So, a few collector vehicles does seem at least plausible. I have a feeling that the gameplay would be less varied than a Normandy based TC module though? Where there any interesting vehicles or tactics used?

[[CPT]Crunch]

Oh no, please no wandering off on a tangent draining energy and resources already.  Let's get they thing up and running before losing all focus.  

 

Besides ain't the topic future "AIRCRAFT".

[Trooper117]

8 minutes ago, [CPT]Crunch said:

Besides ain't the topic future "AIRCRAFT".

 

Could not have said it better!...

[actionhank1786]

On 8/2/2024 at 7:24 AM, BlitzPig_EL said:

Suez is even less well known than Korea, especially in North America, probably even less than the Spanish Civil War.

In fairness, I think there's the potential for the game to shape interest. 

 

The original Il-2 was a great sim, but at the same time, it stormed onto the scene bringing a war to western audiences that was largely ignored and little known outside of the die-hard WWII buffs. It did that and made it popular. And then years later, with Il-2 Forgotten Battles, they did it again by bring another little known war to audiences with the Soviet-Finnish war. 

 

I think the game can shape interest to a degree, and I know I'd be interested in all sorts of random scenarios if done well. 

[Avimimus]

I'd definitely agree - having been around at the time... watching Il-2 viewed as a peculiar niche sim that might not succeed, then watching two years of people (largely Americans) showing up on the forums to argue that the air-war in Eastern Europe was irrelevant... then a lot of people gradually realising that they found it very interesting after all.

[Lord_Cool]

The B-45A-5 Tornado? Powered by 4x GE J47s.

Edited September 25, 2024 by Lord_Cool

[Avimimus]

22 hours ago, Lord_Cool said:

The B-45A-5 Tornado? Powered by 4x GE J47s.

 

They were in a pure nuclear deterrence role though, weren't they?

[BlitzPig_EL]

They flew recce missions as well.

[Avimimus]

The most recent Briefing Room mentioned 13-14 aircraft (including AI aircraft). I'm expecting 8 flyable aircraft and 2 Collector planes. That leaves 3-4 AI aircraft. Two have been announced (B-29 and Tu-2). So that leaves one or two more.

 

Best guesses?

[BlitzPig_EL]

A/B 26

F82

[=MERCS=JenkemJunkie]

If we're getting a 5th jet (F9F) does that mean we're also getting a 5th prop plane? That would make the set fit the 8+2 way BoX does things if you're sticking with that in IL2 series.