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=TU=flynvrtd
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Y'all should have a look at the stall fighting performance of the Jug.

It's gotten so bad that all you see online anymore are jugs butterflying around with full flaps and pulling impossible anti gravity moves. 

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  • 1CGS
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As with all of these reports, I need to have a track file on hand that I can send to our engineers for them to review. Thanks. 🙂

GOA_Karaya_VR
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100 kph prop hanging on P47s with full flaps.. Totally normal on multiplayer servers.

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354thFG_Drewm3i-VR
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22 hours ago, GOA_Karaya_VR said:

100 kph prop hanging on P47s with full flaps.. Totally normal on multiplayer servers.

 

On 3/4/2025 at 10:32 AM, =TU=flynvrtd said:

Y'all should have a look at the stall fighting performance of the Jug.

It's gotten so bad that all you see online anymore are jugs butterflying around with full flaps and pulling impossible anti gravity moves. 

Oh stop it guys. This is a UNIVERSAL issue across the board--it happens to all the planes with impervious flaps.

 

Some of the worst offenders are the 109 and 110/410. Flaps get abused because on most planes--except the P-38, P-51, Yaks, and Spit--there is no penalty for overusing or abusing them (i.e. dropping them at high speed in a dogfight). 

 

To make this about one plane--whose stall behavior, roll rate, and other handling characteristics remain questionable (as in towards the underperforming side)--is completely disingenuous. IL-2 is a great GAME: it has its strengths and weaknesses, but is 95-98% good and as it should be. It is only at the edge of the performance envelope (as frequently seen and encountered online), where the simulation breaks down; and this includes things like easier slow speed handling, a lack of prop torque, wake turbulence, flap abuse, ridiculous rudder movement reversals that would tear a real plane apart (looking at you, FW-190 and Bf-110/410), unrealistic engine damage and other DM quirks, etc. 

 

Ultimately the game is pretty good and if you keep that in mind (and anticipate some of the exploits that players will use) it's a lot more fun.

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-250H-Ursus_
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On 3/4/2025 at 12:32 PM, =TU=flynvrtd said:

Y'all should have a look at the stall fighting performance of the Jug.

It's gotten so bad that all you see online anymore are jugs butterflying around with full flaps and pulling impossible anti gravity moves. 

 

On 3/5/2025 at 3:46 AM, GOA_Karaya_VR said:

100 kph prop hanging on P47s with full flaps.. Totally normal on multiplayer servers.


You know that prophanging and flaps is not exclusive of P-47?
Why the complain has to be everything but constructive? As well, the subject of this seems to be THE P-47, not the Flaps, either the Prophanging, which as i said and i can tell, i see other planes doing flap moves and prophangs, difference is that i can tell that everyone is affected by them, not a singular plane.

Put your personal bias aside.


 

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1PL-Husar-1Esk
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Prop hanging is a thing in current FM from WW1 to WW2 airplanes , I hope for  better modeling in this domain (slow speeds) in Korea.

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Dagwoodyt
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Great if someone could post videos of these FM behaviors using SP 1v1's.

-250H-Ursus_
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9 hours ago, GOA_Karaya_VR said:

 

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Point proven. 
-Anything but constructive 

- No intentions to have an actual discussion 

- Immature answer 



As i said, and a last time.
Prophanging and Flaps behaviour, is not P-47 exclusive thing. Is a thing which should be discussed in a thread of its own for each subject, making that discussion, not the Plane itself.

As well, based on your complain, i can tell that you don't know P-47 behaviour to well, not by using and feeling plane behaviour, having the full context of your situation, but as an espectator, or the guy which was killed by someone actually skilled with a plane which not forgives a single mistake like P-47 is, without having full context of their situation, something PRETTY COMMON on my experience with this kind of complains. 

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ECV56_Fortinero
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On 3/4/2025 at 12:32 PM, =TU=flynvrtd said:

Y'all should have a look at the stall fighting performance of the Jug.

It's gotten so bad that all you see online anymore are jugs butterflying around with full flaps and pulling impossible anti gravity moves. 

 

Are you kidding right? This is an extended behavior in almost any plane in IL2, 109's do abuse of flaps as well (which also is ridiculous how fast do they are deployed in combat with such an uncomfortable wheel, quite "realistic" right?). Also with such small wing a 109 should even have serious issues to keep lift at slow speeds, why we don't talk about how the 109 in the game also retains stick deflection even over 600 km/h? Maybe virtual german pilots are modeled to have the strength of Thor... the list keep going, and keep going, and the devs are not going to solve much in the short, like the tendency of the Jug and the 410 to explode with a single 20mm hit in the wing root as instance... so, please, don't. 

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Alright,this is going nowhere... except now for someone bringing up a post from 5 months ago to just complain more. 

 

Like I wrote above, if you want to see something changed, we need a track file (or files if need be) showing what the problem is. 

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