Korea module data leak statement?

January 17

"As real as it gets"....Microsoft Combat Flight Simulator 3, October 24, 2002..

😉

Edited January 17 by RNAS10_Mitchell

January 17

51 minutes ago, Sgt_Joch said:

The developers may but are not obliged to clarify the situation. If they are working on Russian military contracts, it would probably be illegal in Russia for them to confirm this fact.

If they are working on Russian military contracts, as a company registered in the EU they are actually breaking EU law....

January 17

5 minutes ago, DD_Arthur said:

If they are working on Russian military contracts, as a company registered in the EU they are actually breaking EU law....

Quite possibly yes, if in fact there is any truth to the assumptions being made, from very little evidence at this point.

So if called upon, they would have to answer questions to that corrupt organisation, not the customer base of IL2 Great Battles.

I think Joch was referring to 'clarifying the situation' to us.

And I don't see a snowballs chance in hell of that happening.

January 17

😅

OK, now it will definitely be blocked! 😅

I am a German in Austria and I worked in St. Petersburg for almost half a year, commissioning large refrigeration systems for western companies! As a one-man show and freelance! Cross-industry trainer! I want to hug my Russian friends and tell them that this ---- is finally over! To be honest, I hope that Trump can somehow get it done! The whole development is 1:1 from the 1930s! All of this must finally be done! East against West! I know really cool people (customer) , Chinese, Turks, Arabs, Russians, Ukrainians, Poles, Finns, Swedes, Jews, Koreans... etc. We must all resist this development and put an end to this madness of large corporations and governments. I have written to the Austrian government and the German government! In any case, I think it's good that we have been allowed to write this here up to now! Everyone's hat is on fire in 2025! You have to complete the small goals in order to solve the big ones! In 2000, I thought that this information on the internet would make our world a better place... We have a young generation that is completely off track! There are no more skilled workers and people who want to take on responsibility! We are completely at the end of our rope in the West and the East! So I recommend that everyone finally pull their balls or sticks together and get this all done for good. There is only ying and yang, light and dark, yes or no, etc... Everything in between is a disaster!

January 17

S!

This leak was final nail to IL-2 franchise coffin for me. Dead and forgotten, never to be supported again. I was frowned at when telling about 1GCS and RMHS collaboration years ago. Not hard to google what that abbreviation stands, in many ways. A shame really. Over and out.

January 17

Sorry guys, I was ill and couldn’t follow all the forum links. Please don't be mad at me for not answering immediately.

The most disappointing issue about this leak - is that it’s ruining a bit the surprise about upcoming Korea game content.

As for the drones - it’s surprising that you are surprised. We have been always researching possibilities to make games in other genres, not just aviasims. Here is 12-years old video with one of such prototypes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGwJtUZpAb8

We don’t have any military contracts and never had. Our only activity is making video games. Drone model is just part of another battlefield-like game prototype, which was developed to clarify if we were able to create content for such genre. Perhaps, one day it will turn out into a full-scale game like this 12 year old tank prototype has become foundation for our Tank Crew game.

January 17

17 minutes ago, Han said:

We don’t have any military contracts and never had. Our only activity is making video games.

Oh, come on! I was just about to put money aside for 3 "Koreas"!
A shame really. Over and out.

January 17

Ha ha superb Han !

Thanks for clearing that up.

January 17

8 hours ago, I./JG68_Sperber said:

I have to revise myself. I will never buy anything from 1CGS again.....☹️

This sentiment makes absolutely zero sense.

There is no ethical consumption under capitalism.

There is nothing this nation is doing now that your nation hasn't done before. I wish I'd have known about the leaks before they were removed as I'd like to see them. But this easily could have been for Caliber. You know, the modern conflict FPS game also developed by 1C. Even if it was for IL-2, who cares.

now I'm going to say something that might get me banned, and will hopefully get this thread locked, because its ridiculous.

You guys act like 1c made a picture of a drone to kill real people. People in a nation you've been brainwashed to support unquestionably. Do you realize how insane that is? You have no idea why this model exists, and the reason is probably inconsequential. Just because these guys are russian, you all immediately think they're evil because you've been conditioned to think that way. They're game devs. Making a product we love. And at least they're doing well, they have a promising future with a promising project. Stop letting your government dictate who you do and don't like just because they tell you so. Russian game devs aren't to blame for the actions of their government, just like ukrainian devs aren't, just like American devs aren't. Leave them alone ffs.

January 17

Thing is that we allready have declared that we are researching the battlefield gaming genre in Korea's DD in August:

https://il2-korea.com/news/dd_6

And some of features developed during this research were added to the aviasim allready. Pilot exit and enter the cockpit. Rare false collisions events on low altitude fix. Game engine scripting system now allows to do much more versatile things. And other.

January 17

4 hours ago, Zooropa_Fly said:

How do you know where technology is right now ?

We have an enormous amount of footage and other information coming out of a certain region where state of the art of modern drone warfare is happening. And those drones are being produced in all kinds of countries, so it's not like the technology is hidden away.

The most extreme use of AI seems to be in a different conflict where a cease fire just was agreed upon, but that does not involve autonomous drones, but target selection.

Note that we no longer live in a world where a person in a shed can make things that are way beyond the state of the art in other countries. It's all a collaboration between people all over the globe and the only things that can stay hidden is the finer details, not whether someone has developed and is using fully autonomous drones.

January 17

I hope this doesn't hold up the Zeppelin for Flying Circus.😭

January 17

1 minute ago, TempestV said:

I hope this doesn't hold up the Zeppelin for Flying Circus.😭

Zepp design document is ready and its approved by studio HQ. So now we're clarifying the deal with model developer. Fingers crossed it will track us to the missions with airship cover/interception.

January 17

1 hour ago, Han said:

The most disappointing issue about this leak - is that it’s ruining a bit the surprise about upcoming Korea game content.

I haven't seen any information from the leaked stuff, other than the drone thing. So this doesn't seem to be the case. Besides, you publish a lot the DDs, so how much is there really to spoil?

1 hour ago, Han said:

We don’t have any military contracts and never had.

I hope so. But if what you say is true, then you did things in a way that maximizes the appearance that this has something to do with a certain drone-heavy conflict. At the very least, this was then very foolish, IMO.

January 17

5 minutes ago, Aapje said:

I haven't seen any information from the leaked stuff, other than the drone thing. So this doesn't seem to be the case. Besides, you publish a lot the DDs, so how much is there really to spoil?

Many things. And many of these things are half-ready in this leaked version. Showing half-work is bad for marketing. This why its sad. ((

January 17

48 minutes ago, Aapje said:

We have an enormous amount of footage and other information coming out of a certain region where state of the art of modern drone warfare is happening. And those drones are being produced in all kinds of countries, so it's not like the technology is hidden away.

The most extreme use of AI seems to be in a different conflict where a cease fire just was agreed upon, but that does not involve autonomous drones, but target selection.

Note that we no longer live in a world where a person in a shed can make things that are way beyond the state of the art in other countries. It's all a collaboration between people all over the globe and the only things that can stay hidden is the finer details, not whether someone has developed and is using fully autonomous drones.

You'd said I was exaggerating in what I'd said.

The technology I spoke of does exist, footage of it can easily be found. So not an exaggeration.

And just because you know what you know, doesn't mean other things don't exist.

It's often said that what we know of, technologically, is 50 years behind what actually exists.

That may be a slight exaggeration, but I believe it holds true to some extent.

In fact of course it does.

January 17

12 minutes ago, Aapje said:

At the very least, this was then very foolish, IMO.

Making dev-version be able to leak - not a smart move, for sure. It was a mistake.

January 17

8 minutes ago, Han said:

Making dev-version be able to leak - not a smart move, for sure. It was a mistake.

Not really what I was referring to, although that was also sloppy. But information can come out in many ways. As the famous quote goes: "Two people can keep a shared secret as long as one of them is dead."

The best defense against bad PR is to make sure that whatever you do, doesn't look really, really bad. For example, a mere drone without the boom boom that attaches to the drone (in the very same folder) would already look much less bad.

January 17

2 hours ago, Han said:

We don’t have any military contracts and never had.

Thanks for clarifying, and I'm glad! Perhaps, one day when all this unfortunate situation between Russia and Ukraine/the West is but a bad memory, it might actually be fun to race drones across a battlefield.

1 hour ago, 86Cheese said:

Just because these guys are russian, you all immediately think they're evil because you've been conditioned to think that way.

I don't - please don't say "you all." That's the whole point of the request for a statement. I have nothing against Russian citizens, even if I don't agree with some actions of their government.

31 minutes ago, Zooropa_Fly said:

It's often said that what we know of, technologically, is 50 years behind what actually exists.

That may be a slight exaggeration, but I believe it holds true to some extent.

I am literally at the forefront of AI development (although within a very limited section: image processing). I can tell you right here and now that there is no secret technology in the making that will suddenly take over the world.

Edited January 17 by AEthelraedUnraed

January 17

*Sigh* 🙄 where were some of the offended or scandalized when there were active conflicts in the past and game companies made sims on game engines for training.

Bohemia interactive did that after Op. Flashpoint tool to train troop coordination i think

DCS devs did that for some buyer of L39 i think. Yeah it is a weapon you know. And it might have been used for conflict by some far away country no one really knew anything about. Did you care guys back then ?

Xplane or prepared are with certain version used as certified flight sims which you can write as flight hours to your logbook.

And even military pilots need to be kept current on procedures.

Americas Army Ops literary army training/recruiting tool

And there are so many more.

What about games like Medal of honours and calls of duty games what are they really ?
So all sides were doing this for how many decades ?

Lets face it, it is not really about that this company would be able to do the same. Which they confirmed the aren't.

It is about some people not liking when their perceived enemy could have the possibility to use such a training tool as well.

It was fine when the other side did it, eh ?

Edited January 17 by OK-Tin

January 17

1 hour ago, AEthelraedUnraed said:

I don't - please don't say "you all." That's the whole point of the request for a statement. I have nothing against Russian citizens, even if I don't agree with some actions of their government.

This was specifically directed at all of the "never buying anything from X again" crowd. Not everyone in this thread. Of course not everyone thinks this way, but similar things are being said every where all the time about all things Russian. As someone who enjoys a lot of things that Russia has shared with the world, its very frustrating.

It's worth stating again:

THERE IS NO ETHICAL CONSUMPTION UNDER CAPITALISM

again, not directed at you, Aethelraed, just anyone who thinks buying a russian game is somehow worse than buying an American one.

January 18

2 hours ago, AEthelraedUnraed said:

I am literally at the forefront of AI development (although within a very limited section: image processing). I can tell you right here and now that there is no secret technology in the making that will suddenly take over the world.

It won't be AI that takes over the world, but traditional antagonists that use AI to their advantage. For example there are efforts to data mine every word you type as a prompt to get AI to do something for you. Some are simply for improving the AI. Others are looking for marketing information to create a business advantage for themselves. The ones to look out for are the governments that want to create intelligence resources out of knowing what you are thinking and doing in real time to create an advantage in time of conflict. Some countries already have a stated policy not to do that, while others apparently are well into doing just that.

January 18

15 hours ago, OK-Tin said:

Lets face it, it is not really about that this company would be able to do the same. Which they confirmed the aren't.

The company stated that it is not the case. Everyone gets to make up their own mind based on all the available evidence. They are not obliged to come to one specific conclusion.

15 hours ago, OK-Tin said:

It is about some people not liking when their perceived enemy could have the possibility to use such a training tool as well.

It was fine when the other side did it, eh ?

Yes, that is exactly it. You are trying to make it seem like this is hypocrisy, but there is absolutely nothing hypocritical with believing that a certain side is in the wrong and that they should be hampered, but not others, who do not do the same bad things.

For example, I am quite happy that Lend-Lease things went to the Soviets during WW 2, but not to the Germans. Did that result in an unfair fight where the Germans couldn't win? Yes. And that was a good thing.

Edited January 18 by Aapje

January 20

No response from the OP ?

January 20

49 minutes ago, Zooropa_Fly said:

No response from the OP ?

Should there be? - he asked for a statement not a conversation 🙂

January 20

It was pretty much a demand, so I think he should at least acknowledge the fact that he got a reply.

January 20

3 hours ago, Zooropa_Fly said:

No response from the OP ?

1 hour ago, Zooropa_Fly said:

It was pretty much a demand, so I think he should at least acknowledge the fact that he got a reply.

I was not planning to write a reply because my personal take of the developers reply to the OP is probably not what 1CGS was hoping for, and I would have preferred to leave it up to others to draw their own conclusions from their reply.

But since you now insist, my conclusion is this: The developers have confirmed that the model of the drone and the RPG warhead are not the result of some wayward employee’s own misguided work but on the contrary, these models are fully sanctioned by 1CGS management and part of their product plans.

But all of the Il-2 modules so far, that I’ve either been a founder for, or bought at some later stage, have been purely historical modules. And financing the development of models like an Albatros D.V or a Spitfire MkV is hardly something I find problematic.

However, I’m not willing to take the risk that I will be financing the development of dual-purpose modules that can be used not only for gaming, but also to train operators on armed drone systems that are being used in a conflict that I have very strong opinions about.

There, I hope that was clear enough.

Edited January 20 by Holtzauge

January 20

Yes that's perfectly clear.

Though I'm not sure what the point of asking the question was, as you already seemed to know the answer.

January 20

56 minutes ago, Holtzauge said:

However, I’m not willing to take the risk that I will be financing the development of dual-purpose modules that can be used not only for gaming, but also to train operators on armed drone systems that are being used in a conflict that I have very strong opinions about.

I don't think a game featuring player-controlled combat drones is necessarily a "dual-purpose module that can be used [...] to train operators." At least not more than Call of Duty teaches you ground combat, or DCS teaches you how to fly a MiG 29 or Su 27.

Also, a single drone model points not to active development but rather the exploratory stages, as Han confirms. If they'd actually be developing such a thing, there'd likely be much more to see.

There is always, I repeat always, a risk that any developers develop things we may not agree with. But so far I find Han's explanation satisfactory and I see no indication that such development is actually ongoing.

Edited January 20 by AEthelraedUnraed

January 20

29 minutes ago, Zooropa_Fly said:

Yes that's perfectly clear.

Though I'm not sure what the point of asking the question was, as you already seemed to know the answer.

The point was that nothing had been said about it officially to date Some suggestion of a LukeFF reply in Reddit but no proof of it). As much as you might think Holtzuage had already made up his mind, I think a good few others definately had based soley on the Reddit posts. So it was definately in the interests of the Devs to address it as much as it was valid question to ask.

Whether the answer satisfies or not is down to the individual and perhaps whether that individual was satisfied with previous explanations of alledged Dev account activity.

Personally I think it was an utterly stupid thing to put anywhere near the business in the current climate and considering the worldwide customer base but. hey ho, done now.

I suspect there're enough eyes on 1C and anything it has ties with to call foul should eventualities turn out differently.

January 20

Well balanced post AEthel.

January 20

With drones being so cheap and disposable why does one require the complex building of software to train on them? Doesn't make rational sense to train on a knock off that's so dissimilar. So where's the theater map with the modern operational model?

Innocent until proven guilty, you got a ways to go.

January 20

10 hours ago, Holtzauge said:

However, I’m not willing to take the risk that I will be financing the development of dual-purpose modules that can be used not only for gaming, but also to train operators on armed drone systems that are being used in a conflict that I have very strong opinions about.

I don't think the military side waited for 1cgs to create a software so the military would be able to train the drone pilots, there is enough commercial software already available (for many years now) on the market, and not counting the specific military "dedicated" ones.
Just type "drone" in Steam and choose your "weapon"...

Please 1Cgs, don't make any "Nut" :rolleyes:

January 20

3 hours ago, [CPT]Crunch said:

With drones being so cheap and disposable why does one require the complex building of software to train on them?

Just because drones are relatively cheap, doesn't mean that there are no supply issues. And if you want to train to actually hunt a tank or other vehicle with ordinance, then the cost is the drone, plus the ordinance, plus the vehicle, plus the vehicle operator. A sim can also mimic the desired weather and time of year.

The issue with your other questions is that they are based on several assumptions, including that they have better options, that Russian military procurement is rational, that such a project would necessarily have to be a military contract, rather than a civilian project, etc. Even in Western nations, we see military and police professionals organize their own material and training to a higher standard than what the military provides.

I cannot really judge how (un)likely it is that this was for some form of training for those fighting in a certain conflict with the current known facts, but that goes both ways.

Edited January 20 by Aapje

January 21

Does this mean we can have control of our avatars back? Surely they pale into insignificance in light of this revelation (and thread thereof).

January 21

On 1/20/2025 at 12:18 PM, Holtzauge said:

However, I’m not willing to take the risk that I will be financing the development of dual-purpose modules that can be used not only for gaming, but also to train operators on armed drone systems that are being used in a conflict that I have very strong opinions about.

In that case - I would recommend against purchasing anything from Eagle Dynamics (i.e. DCS) or Bohemia Interactive (Arma). Both are dual use. I'm not criticising your moral stance here, just pointing out that other developers have military contracts - some of which are advertised very publicly. In contrast, all that we have here are two 3d models.

How we feel about potential dual use is undoubtedly complex, and it isn't a simple issue.

January 21

I'd guess the OP's concern is who's using it, rather than the concept itself.

January 21

They're doing this all wrong if their training soldiers on this. They should make them controllable with xbox controllers and give the controllers to an army of kids on adderal. Not even skynet could stop them.

February 2

I'm saying goodbye to IL2-Sturmovik 2025 forever! I was fully motivated and excited about Quest3. It all went through my head again. Korea is currently fighting in the European war and a new Korea game is being developed. The game is currently extremely frustrating online. I'm not going to fly for 30 minutes or more just to be dead in a second or to have an air battle and kill my opponent in a second! A game has to be fun to reach the players! The following formula is for the younger ones among us! Our time is extremely valuable, if you use it, it should be fun. Realism is good in games but too much is counterproductive! I hope you have lots of fun with IL2-Sturmovik Online! Take care!🫡

February 2

4 hours ago, I./JG68_Sperber said:

I'm saying goodbye to IL2-Sturmovik 2025 forever! I was fully motivated and excited about Quest3. It all went through my head again. Korea is currently fighting in the European war and a new Korea game is being developed. The game is currently extremely frustrating online. I'm not going to fly for 30 minutes or more just to be dead in a second or to have an air battle and kill my opponent in a second! A game has to be fun to reach the players! The following formula is for the younger ones among us! Our time is extremely valuable, if you use it, it should be fun. Realism is good in games but too much is counterproductive! I hope you have lots of fun with IL2-Sturmovik Online! Take care!🫡

I don't see how this has anything to do with the topic, but whatever 🤷‍♂️

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