I./JG68_Sperber Posted January 11 Posted January 11 It was already the case in Il2-1946 that the 109s are made of butter! I stopped in 2016 and started again in 2024 with the Quest3! 3 months full throttle WOL...TAW and CB.... You can look at my statistics! I'm the first to see 90% of the time and I'm the first to attack! The RUS planes just fly on and on! Only a headshot helps! and headshots have increased by 50% since 2016! Then I get attacked by a red plane. If I don't get a headshot, my wing breaks off...or something breaks so that I'm completely out of control! I've been a beta tester for about 100 hours now! Full throttle! Dogfight and attack 1:10! I need training after 8 years! Your damage model is ?????? or broken!!! I will no longer play as a blue with a 109! And not at all with that! There are so many fans of the 109 internationally and you are simply ruining it! You only have to look at the stats on all the servers online! The 109 is absolute GARBAGE! Bambi is even harder! Red shoots down all attacking 109s!!!! They fly at least just as fast... climb well enough to hit the 109s at 800m... thanks to 4k and TIR! Then the 109 is screwed... the reds just keep flying, completely destroyed, and still fight! My online career is hereby over! I am already looking forward to Combat Pilots and fly VR with the MSFS 2024 and exploring the world... I will not fly your 109s anymore!!!! 3
AEthelraedUnraed Posted January 11 Posted January 11 21 minutes ago, I./JG68_Sperber said: It was already the case in Il2-1946 that the 109s are made of butter! I stopped in 2016 and started again in 2024 with the Quest3! 3 months full throttle WOL...TAW and CB.... You can look at my statistics! I'm the first to see 90% of the time and I'm the first to attack! The RUS planes just fly on and on! Only a headshot helps! and headshots have increased by 50% since 2016! Then I get attacked by a red plane. If I don't get a headshot, my wing breaks off...or something breaks so that I'm completely out of control! I've been a beta tester for about 100 hours now! Full throttle! Dogfight and attack 1:10! I need training after 8 years! Your damage model is ?????? or broken!!! I will no longer play as a blue with a 109! And not at all with that! There are so many fans of the 109 internationally and you are simply ruining it! You only have to look at the stats on all the servers online! The 109 is absolute GARBAGE! Bambi is even harder! Red shoots down all attacking 109s!!!! They fly at least just as fast... climb well enough to hit the 109s at 800m... thanks to 4k and TIR! Then the 109 is screwed... the reds just keep flying, completely destroyed, and still fight! My online career is hereby over! I am already looking forward to Combat Pilots and fly VR with the MSFS 2024 and exploring the world... I will not fly your 109s anymore!!!! In an attempt to give a sort of useful response to a post that frankly lacks much substance: How strong do you think the Bf-109 should be? How much damage of what type should it be able to resist? What are your sources for that (e.g. physical calculations, real-life tests, statistical data, ...)? Are these sources good and impartial? Do they depend on human observations or scientific measurements? Same for the Russian planes. Did you form your opinion by doing tests in a controlled environment, or by playing in a multiplayer environment where relative skill matters perhaps even more than aircraft performance? Without answering at the very least all of these questions, your post is just the ramblings of a very frustrated pilot, and not something to be taken seriously.
I./JG68_Sperber Posted January 11 Author Posted January 11 (edited) Absolutely no idea... I was born in 1968... I always have a broken 109! At the first hit! I've been flying blue for 100 hours now... I hit the red planes well... They fly on and shoot me down, completely destroying me... I'm immediately out of control with the 109... I'm out of control at the slightest encounter!... The problem is that there's actually no alternative, gg, instead Korea is coming out now... and ------ 109s up, gg, I'm waiting for my Zero... Edited January 12 by I./JG68_Sperber watch the language
BraveSirRobin Posted January 11 Posted January 11 If you think the Zero will take more damage than a 109, get ready for a big disappointment. 6 2
I./JG68_Sperber Posted January 11 Author Posted January 11 Hope dies last...I'm the first to shoot the reds to pieces...And they keep flying...If I'm attacked, I'm out of control...Look at my stats in WoL...I'm good at shooting and take ages except for a headshot...If the red attacks me, I'm out of control...At the first, smallest encounter...100 hours of testing, full throttle...Ask Lindo...He shot me down 10 times...He knows how quickly it's possible to take apart a 109...This is an Il2 Stalingrad, Great Battles, IL2 1946 109 butter plane....
I./JG68_Sperber Posted January 11 Author Posted January 11 In short format for everyone! I hit the red one extremely hard and it flies further and becomes dangerous to me... Then a red one attacks me and I immediately fall to pieces! Tested for about 100 hours at full speed! I'm looking forward to Kingdom Come: Deliverance 2...gg
Jaegermeister Posted January 11 Posted January 11 Looks like this one will get bumped over to the "complaints" forum pretty quick...
69th_Mobile_BBQ Posted January 11 Posted January 11 2 hours ago, I./JG68_Sperber said: It was already the case in Il2-1946 that the 109s are made of butter! I stopped in 2016 and started again in 2024 with the Quest3! 3 months full throttle WOL...TAW and CB.... You can look at my statistics! I'm the first to see 90% of the time and I'm the first to attack! The RUS planes just fly on and on! Only a headshot helps! and headshots have increased by 50% since 2016! Then I get attacked by a red plane. If I don't get a headshot, my wing breaks off...or something breaks so that I'm completely out of control! I've been a beta tester for about 100 hours now! Full throttle! Dogfight and attack 1:10! I need training after 8 years! Your damage model is ?????? or broken!!! I will no longer play as a blue with a 109! And not at all with that! There are so many fans of the 109 internationally and you are simply ruining it! You only have to look at the stats on all the servers online! The 109 is absolute GARBAGE! Bambi is even harder! Red shoots down all attacking 109s!!!! They fly at least just as fast... climb well enough to hit the 109s at 800m... thanks to 4k and TIR! Then the 109 is screwed... the reds just keep flying, completely destroyed, and still fight! My online career is hereby over! I am already looking forward to Combat Pilots and fly VR with the MSFS 2024 and exploring the world... I will not fly your 109s anymore!!!! Try the P-47s (especially the bubbletop). We'll be seeing you in 5...4....3... 2..............
150_GIAP-Red_Dragon Posted January 11 Posted January 11 (edited) Location:VR Pilot from the wine district? 🤔 Edited January 11 by 150_GIAP-Red_Dragon 3
1CGS LukeFF Posted January 11 1CGS Posted January 11 59 minutes ago, Jaegermeister said: Looks like this one will get bumped over to the "complaints" forum pretty quick... Indeed 🙂 @I./JG68_Sperber, if you think something is wrong with the damage modeling of the 109s or any other plane, you are welcome to post a track file here showing where you think there is a problem. Our engineers do look at these files. 1
the_emperor Posted January 12 Posted January 12 Regarding this I have some questions some with more knowledge in that regard can hopefully answer: 1) wasnt the 109 wing constantly beefed up till the G-6 Version? 2) can dive speed and/or G- limits be an indicator on how easily a wing can brake off? (soviet planes having usually a lower dive speed limit) 3) should the wooden structure of the Soviet wings break/fail easiere when damaged and should they be overall more effectced by damage and teh load they can take when damaged? 4) the British/US 20mm system still holds to much explosive filling, will this 1
the_emperor Posted January 12 Posted January 12 (edited) Quick test: it takes about 3-5 Hispano hits to detach a 109G-6 Wing, considerable more to detach a Yaks wing and even more for a La-5 wing (Though I would suspect wood to fail faster than duraluminium when damaged) Edited January 12 by the_emperor 2
I./JG68_Sperber Posted January 12 Author Posted January 12 Hello Frank, I would suggest your engineers get into a 109 on WoL and fly 136 missions in 23 hours.... Then you'll know what I mean
AEthelraedUnraed Posted January 12 Posted January 12 @I./JG68_Sperber How many hits was the 109 able to take in real life?
I./JG68_Sperber Posted January 12 Author Posted January 12 (edited) 47 minutes ago, AEthelraedUnraed said: @I./JG68_Sperber Wie viele Treffer konnte die 109 im wirklichen Leben aushalten? I accept it as it is presented to me. How am I supposed to know? I see how the red planes take all sorts of damage and I fall to pieces after the first hits or ram myself into the ground uncontrollably. Yesterday the La5 lost fuel 4 times on both wings and the engine also gave off a black noise... From above I could see how riddled both wings were. He was still able to fly all maneuvers at a height of 50m, thrashing around like a fish... He was able to shake off 4x 109s for another 1-2 minutes. Then another red came along and sent a 109 straight into the ground with a salvo. After that I gave up my online career gg Edited January 12 by I./JG68_Sperber
I./JG68_Sperber Posted January 12 Author Posted January 12 (edited) I flew to the front at a height of 50m for 20 hours. At a distance of 7k I can then observe the entire air battle until I get there. I see lots of dots... I can tell in advance who is friend or foe from the behavior of the planes. The 109s come in from above, attack and then climb back up. The red ones follow without a run-up and shoot down the 109s at 500m to 800m or more. The advantage of the 109s' better climb is negated by the 4K monitor and zoom! I can even see the hits at 5k! A little black cloud and the 109 is history! When I'm on the spot, I can attack unnoticed 90% of the time, and I'm about 300m from the enemy's tail. Always the fighters first, not the attack planes. Then I shoot him straight into the tail unit. And I see several clouds and direct hits... If I don't land a headshot, the red one flies on and starts a dock fight. Most of the time, he's completely unimpressed by the direct hits I scored earlier. Edited January 12 by I./JG68_Sperber
AEthelraedUnraed Posted January 12 Posted January 12 1 hour ago, I./JG68_Sperber said: How am I supposed to know? But if you don't know, how do you know the way it's presented in IL2 is wrong?
I./JG68_Sperber Posted January 12 Author Posted January 12 59 minutes ago, AEthelraedUnraed said: But if you don't know, how do you know the way it's presented in IL2 is wrong? Because my 109 is 90% destroyed after the first hit and the red planes aren't! The difference is extremely noticeable! I lost 90 planes for 52 aerial victories! Mind you, I also mostly went into the big red group alone! The 109s that were there before were usually taken out with one shot! I could see that beforehand I got the 52 kills because I almost always attack unnoticed by everyone! I attack the fighters who are busy with another target. Of the 52 kills, at least 25 are due to headshots or complete explosions of the planes! Then the matter is settled. After that, my 6 is full of red gg Then it happens... a small hit and the 109 is broken... either the elevator, aileron, rudder or trim is broken! Or the wings are off! I don't pay attention to engine damage! I would also like to escape like a red one and wriggle like a fish and do extreme flight maneuvers at 400 km/h! But that won't happen anymore! I'm already uncontrollable before that! Now of course you can say the following! The pilots have been flying with their monitors and ZOOM and TIR for 10-20 years. Now all on 4K and soon on 8K gg They hit better even at long distances! That's extremely unrealistic! As a game maker you have to take a step back sometimes! For me, playing IL-2 online feels like a shooter. I've noticed the following since 2016! Unrealistically many headshots! And extremely smooth 109!
AEthelraedUnraed Posted January 12 Posted January 12 I'm not asking what you experience. Neither am I asking whether or not you notice any difference. My question is how you know that the difference you notice is caused by the way the 109 is modelled, rather than other things (e.g. your own flying skills), and any difference you notice is not realistic?
1CGS LukeFF Posted January 12 1CGS Posted January 12 8 hours ago, I./JG68_Sperber said: Hello Frank, I would suggest your engineers get into a 109 on WoL and fly 136 missions in 23 hours.... Then you'll know what I mean And in telling you they aren't going to look into this without some sort of source video backing up and showing what you think is wrong. How many hours you have on a multiplayer server is irrelevant with this.
I./JG68_Sperber Posted January 12 Author Posted January 12 My time is too precious for that. It would be best if you closed this thread! I hope you have lots of fun online! I don't like shooters....😉
the_emperor Posted January 13 Posted January 13 (edited) On 1/11/2025 at 10:42 PM, LukeFF said: you are welcome to post a track file here showing How can add the track files here? 1-4 hits of 20mm Shvak are enough to detache a 109s wing. seems worth a look (yes, sometimes 1 20mm Shvak hit is enough to clip the 109 wing) Many thanks Edited January 13 by the_emperor 1
I./JG68_Sperber Posted January 13 Author Posted January 13 54 minutes ago, the_emperor said: How can add the track files here? 1-4 hits of 20mm Shvak are enough to detache a 109s wing. seems worth a look (yes, sometimes 1 20mm Shvak hit is enough to clip the 109 wing) Many thanks Create a Dropbox account, that's the quickest way! Upload to Dropbox and link here! Unfortunately the forum can't afford storage space in the cloud
Roland_HUNter Posted January 13 Posted January 13 4 hours ago, the_emperor said: How can add the track files here? 1-4 hits of 20mm Shvak are enough to detache a 109s wing. seems worth a look (yes, sometimes 1 20mm Shvak hit is enough to clip the 109 wing) Many thanks And...BIG and: This was NOT fixed when the armored headrest was introduced to the game. Even the front part of the canopy was modeled incorrectly... the fix came 2-3 years later. G-6 released: 2018 july. Fixed: 2020 november. And what emperor mentioned.... The HE fillers: the Soviet one was fixed immediately after the complaint, but the Hispano and Minengeschoss are still not fixed.
I./JG68_Sperber Posted January 13 Author Posted January 13 VR vs. Monitor!!😉 that's unfortunately also an issue! I estimate online gaming to be max. 2-10% with VR! The monitor pilot has 4K, at least 10 years of experience with it, and a SUPER ZOOM! That's completely gone in VR! A monitor pilot shoots you to pieces at 1000m! Especially good when climbing! Because the planes are standing in the air! Absolutely impossible in VR! Just like it is in reality! Almost all new players come with VR! It's a slow future. But the future! I'm currently tuning MSFS 2024... I'll be able to switch between VR and monitor without having to restart the game! Try that! I feel sick on the monitor because of all the 2D! As a boss, I would do anything to ensure that VR replaces the monitor! The "too expensive" excuse is now out of date. It works with the Quest 3s and weaker hardware too! If an Il2 attack plane flies around my ears 20m away in VR with poor graphics, then that's a thousand times better than in 4K on one or three super monitors! In short format! Time has moved on and the game is old! 1
1CGS LukeFF Posted January 13 1CGS Posted January 13 Alright, this is going way off-topic now. As I explained above, we have a process for submitting a report about potential flight and damage model issues.
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