TFS - Year in review 2024

January 4

9 hours ago, No.54_Reddog said:

Now that you're back around Buzzsaw, will we have an explanation of the factual inaccuracies contained within the locked discussion thread as stated?

Also, what's happening with the October community survey? As you've noted, you're aware it's now a new year?

Well, he has said he will reopen that thread, so let's see if he's a man of his word 👍

January 4

On 1/2/2025 at 12:08 PM, FTC_Rostic said:

Wish list is crazy large. But most of that is just a nice dream, unless all the dreamers allocate some free time to get new skills and join the development team to speed up development process. And yes, I do know, that joining developers teams does not mean you will be able to do what you want. Only tasks assigned to you by team leader(s?).

I wonder how many TFS members even know the actual number of active TFS team members. Why would communication within the TFS team be any better than communication between TFS and its' customers? Are members provided information on anything other than a "need to know" basis? What would be the the point of devoting (potentially) many years of one's time to a project whose direction one doesn't know and has zero control over?🤔

Edited January 4 by Dagwoodyt

January 4

5 hours ago, Dagwoodyt said:

What would be the the point of devoting (potentially) many years of one's time to a project whose direction one doesn't know and has zero control over?🤔

Do you really think that in our everyday jobs we have a grip on management and control?
That may have been true 30/40 years ago, but not anymore.
What kind of world do you live in?

January 4

6 minutes ago, jdu said:

Do you really think that in our everyday jobs we have a grip on management and control?
That may have been true 30/40 years ago, but not anymore.
What kind of world do you live in?

Omg, let's not talk about that lol 😆

January 4

2 hours ago, jdu said:

Do you really think that in our everyday jobs we have a grip on management and control?
That may have been true 30/40 years ago, but not anymore.
What kind of world do you live in?

I wonder if that accounts for the high attrition rates for TF members?

January 5

On 1/3/2025 at 3:30 PM, No.54_Reddog said:

Now that you're back around Buzzsaw, will we have an explanation of the factual inaccuracies contained within the locked discussion thread as stated?

Also, what's happening with the October community survey? As you've noted, you're aware it's now a new year?

You already had most of the answers posted in this thread.

But I will make another post with more details of TF's history and organization later.

January 5

16 hours ago, Buzzsaw said:

You already had most of the answers posted in this thread.

But I will make another post with more details of TF's history and organization later.

I'm not sure I'm any the wiser as to what you believed to be "incorrect facts" as a result of this thread. Or indeed what the story is with the October survey you promised.

January 5

17 hours ago, Buzzsaw said:

You already had most of the answers posted in this thread.

But I will make another post with more details of TF's history and organization later.

like falcon bms did !

https://forum.falcon-bms.com/topic/25861/how-bms-team-works

January 5

41 minutes ago, Lorena_Scout said:

like falcon bms did !

https://forum.falcon-bms.com/topic/25861/how-bms-team-works

Have to create an account to view that page

January 6

8 hours ago, Mysticpuma said:

Have to create an account to view that page

January 6

On 1/4/2025 at 12:15 PM, jdu said:

Do you really think that in our everyday jobs we have a grip on management and control?
That may have been true 30/40 years ago, but not anymore.
What kind of world do you live in?

?

January 6

Can we fly the B17 yet?

January 6

29 minutes ago, 356thFS_Leifr said:

Can we fly the B17 yet?

1946+Ypack if you can't wait

Edited January 6 by Hiuuz

January 6

Any TFS' representation of how TFS works needs to be consistent with how it is seen to operate in practice. How the Team and its' Staff handle valid criticisms is key to its' credibility and has long been on record throughout this forum and in this very thread.🤔

January 6

Well this thread has everyone a little more reved up again and not so down. I felt like I was visiting a Funeral Home forum sometimes :biggrin:

January 6

46 minutes ago, II./JG27_Rich said:

Well this thread has everyone a little more reved up again and not so down. I felt like I was visiting a Funeral Home forum sometimes

Yup, definately take a step up to Hospice territory now.

January 6

3 hours ago, II./JG27_Rich said:

Well this thread has everyone a little more reved up again and not so down. I felt like I was visiting a Funeral Home forum sometimes

And that surprises you with all these negative comments already burying Cliffs Of Dover?

6 hours ago, Dagwoodyt said:

?

Why am I not surprised?

January 6

13 hours ago, Hiuuz said:

I could probably post this word for word in our forums and it would cover the TF situation. 😆

But I will post our version... when I have time... hopefully in the next day or two.

January 10

I don't really think we need a history of TF, what we need is a future.

What would be nice is if you could just explain in simple words, very clearly, where the community survey you said was coming in October went, and whether you've dropped the idea entirely.

Then, you can explain what comment's in the thread you locked because of "factually incorrect comments" before New Year you deem to be factually incorrect, and why.

January 12

Any estimated date for release at all?

Edited January 12 by II./JG27_Rich

January 12

3 minutes ago, II./JG27_Rich said:

Any estimated date for release at all?

No estimation, no dissapointment.

January 12

1 hour ago, II./JG27_Rich said:

Any estimated date for release at all?

That's not happening again.

January 13

4 hours ago, Mysticpuma said:

That's not happening again.

Roger that

January 13

We in the community should stop asking for dates of release, for screenshots of the state of development, for videos of TrueSKY beta or VR beta, etc. It is obvious that, for many years now, this game is seriously bugged and presents too many difficulties to any team of developers who would take the responsibility to fix it. So let's play what we have at this state, and let's leave alone the TFS devs so that they keep trying to fix all of these problems. It is pointless to stick to any ridiculuous "demanding attitude". Let's stop being so demanding. 14 years of experience proove we no longer need to stay in forums debating over and over and over again. Let's leave alone these por guys. They're doing their best, so let's trust them. Some day we'll a have a working sim, and if we haven't, the disappointment will happen to those who stuck for a too long time to an excessively demanding attitude. God damm'it, this is only a simulation game...

January 13

42 minutes ago, 343KKT_Kintaro said:

We in the community should stop asking for dates of release, for screenshots of the state of development, for videos of TrueSKY beta or VR beta, etc. It is obvious that, for many years now, this game is seriously bugged and presents too many difficulties to any team of developers who would take the responsibility to fix it. So let's play what we have at this state, and let's leave alone the TFS devs so that they keep trying to fix all of these problems. It is pointless to stick to any ridiculuous "demanding attitude". Let's stop being so demanding. 14 years of experience proove we no longer need to stay in forums debating over and over and over again. Let's leave alone these por guys. They're doing their best, so let's trust them. Some day we'll a have a working sim, and if we haven't, the disappointment will happen to those who stuck for a too long time to an excessively demanding attitude. God damm'it, this is only a simulation game...

Exactly, finally someone who understands. First of all, at the very beginning there is a schedule of what is done and what will be done. But you can't set priorities if the game has multiple problems. They simply proceed in such a way that where the first problem is broken, they start working on it first. And they certainly do more things at once, but if the original game was completely different, 2D, different engine, different coding, then no one will tell you in advance when the DLC will be released or when the complete VR, True sky, 4K terrain and models, etc. will be. So don't expect any dates in advance, maybe a magician would know when they will manage to break through all those problems and when it will be released.

January 13

1 hour ago, 343KKT_Kintaro said:

We in the community should stop asking for dates of release, for screenshots of the state of development, for videos of TrueSKY beta or VR beta, etc. It is obvious that, for many years now, this game is seriously bugged and presents too many difficulties to any team of developers who would take the responsibility to fix it. So let's play what we have at this state, and let's leave alone the TFS devs so that they keep trying to fix all of these problems. It is pointless to stick to any ridiculuous "demanding attitude". Let's stop being so demanding. 14 years of experience proove we no longer need to stay in forums debating over and over and over again. Let's leave alone these por guys. They're doing their best, so let's trust them. Some day we'll a have a working sim, and if we haven't, the disappointment will happen to those who stuck for a too long time to an excessively demanding attitude. God damm'it, this is only a simulation game...

You are a fool to take The Lord's Name in vain over this.

S!Blade<><

January 13

As we have stated, due to the nature of the team it's difficult to get lot's of consistent progress updates but with recent meetings we've agreed to make new efforts. No release dates will be given at this time.

January 13

1 hour ago, 343KKT_Kintaro said:

We in the community should stop asking for dates of release, ...

Agree to one above.

Completely disagree to ones below.

1 hour ago, 343KKT_Kintaro said:

We in the community should stop asking for ..., for screenshots of the state of development, for videos of TrueSKY beta or VR beta,...

January 13

1 minute ago, Soto_Cinematics said:

As we have stated, due to the nature of the team it's difficult to get lot's of consistent progress updates but with recent meetings we've agreed to make new efforts. No release dates will be given at this time.

Maybe you could do what BoX devs are currently doing, which would be to focus on one area of development for each update. That way you could add regular updates but spread it out over a longer period?

So next update could be progress on the FW's

The one after the B-17's

The one after the Typhoon

Next bugtracker fixes that have been completed

Next the graphics updates

etc, etc

Just small regular updates, but it shows the community 'A) you are listening and B) you are still there.

January 13

Not a bad idea, I'll see what I can do

January 13

Good idea Mysticpuma !😃

January 13

5 hours ago, Mysticpuma said:

Maybe you could do what BoX devs are currently doing, which would be to focus on one area of development for each update. That way you could add regular updates but spread it out over a longer period?

So next update could be progress on the FW's

The one after the B-17's

The one after the Typhoon

Next bugtracker fixes that have been completed

Next the graphics updates

etc, etc

Just small regular updates, but it shows the community 'A) you are listening and B) you are still there.

Preposterous idea, better to promise the entire gamut from A through to Z and see what sticks.

January 13

7 hours ago, 343KKT_Kintaro said:

We in the community should stop asking for dates of release, for screenshots of the state of development, for videos of TrueSKY beta or VR beta, etc. It is obvious that, for many years now, this game is seriously bugged and presents too many difficulties to any team of developers who would take the responsibility to fix it. So let's play what we have at this state, and let's leave alone the TFS devs so that they keep trying to fix all of these problems. It is pointless to stick to any ridiculuous "demanding attitude". Let's stop being so demanding. 14 years of experience proove we no longer need to stay in forums debating over and over and over again. Let's leave alone these por guys. They're doing their best, so let's trust them. Some day we'll a have a working sim, and if we haven't, the disappointment will happen to those who stuck for a too long time to an excessively demanding attitude. God damm'it, this is only a simulation game...

Let's say, if somebody so anxiously want this updates out, than better to start to learn programming and give a helping hand to TFS.

January 13

6 hours ago, Soto_Cinematics said:

As we have stated, due to the nature of the team it's difficult to get lot's of consistent progress updates but with recent meetings we've agreed to make new efforts. No release dates will be given at this time.

In that case you might want to plan a progress update every quarter or at another interval that works for the team members. Then everyone knows when they need to plan some time to provide an update.

January 13

2 hours ago, Aapje said:

In that case you might want to plan a progress update every quarter or at another interval that works for the team members. Then everyone knows when they need to plan some time to provide an update.

Lol you read my mind!

January 19

On 1/13/2025 at 9:51 PM, Soto_Cinematics said:

Lol you read my mind!

Will there be a rework menu to make it more user friendly?

Sorry if this been asked before

January 19

4 hours ago, deathmisser said:

Will there be a rework menu to make it more user friendly?

Sorry if this been asked before

It's been asked multiple times, not sure if we ever got a reply apart from a "we hope" or "we'd like to".

January 19

It's planned is all I can say.

January 19

I think until the release of the graphical update it's beyond hope to ask anything else. And it is good so to put all effort to release it without any further change to the game!

January 20

At this point I have no interest in a TF 6.0 that may never materialize. The only thing that would be of value is to have a Steam VR/VU beta option that would not require ATAG registration or any other hoop jumping. If crash dumps could go automatically to TFS even better. The VR/VU beta opt-in would enable all users to experience progress in real time. It would bring some life to the forum. At present there is little of interest to discuss relative to CloD, mostly endless rehash of deficiencies/quirks that may never be meaningfully addressed.🤔

Edited January 20 by Dagwoodyt

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