Korea. IL-2 Series Dev Blog #19: Onward to 2025

[LukeFF]

Dev Blog #19 for Korea. IL-2 Series is now live: https://il2-korea.com/news/dd_19

 

[LuftManu]

Happy new year to the team and our fellow forum members!

Kind regards and onwards to 2025!

[Avimimus]

Well this is all quite exciting! It is nice to see some continued interest in WWI. I'm still hoping for a few more Collector Planes to fill in gaps (especially for 1916). The addition of Zeppelins make the Morane-Saulnier L and B.E.2c more attractive (given their history of interactions) - although I still think France could do with the Caudron G.IV from that era... there are also some interesting fighters remaining to be done for 1917-1918.

 

I wonder if the La-11 will be flyable?

[LukeFF]

1 minute ago, Avimimus said:

I wonder if the La-11 will be flyable?

 

That's the plan, yes.

[Juri_JS]

A Li-2T for Korea? Did it really see much use?

[LuftManu]

37 minutes ago, Avimimus said:

 

I wonder if the La-11 will be flyable?

I would love to see both Yak and La in this new "era" the last piston planes so great!

 

[Avimimus]

14 minutes ago, LuftManu said:

I would love to see both Yak and La in this new "era" the last piston planes so great!

 

Yes, it would be pretty cool.

 

Does anyone know how different an La-11 is in performance to an La-9 when not loaded with all of the extra fuel?

[Enceladus828]

I wouldn’t mind seeing a FC Vol. V with a Zeppelin, Morane-Saulnier L, BE2c, Rumpler C.IV, Caudron G.IV and Aviatik C.I

[=gRiJ=Roman-]

Will some of the aircraft in Korea be available in GB? Corsair, La, or any other that may have overlapped both wars?

[LukeFF]

4 minutes ago, =gRiJ=Roman- said:

Will some of the aircraft in Korea be available in GB? Corsair, La, or any other that may have overlapped both wars?

 

No

[LuftManu]

4 minutes ago, =gRiJ=Roman- said:

Will some of the aircraft in Korea be available in GB? Corsair, La, or any other that may have overlapped both wars?

No, they won't be availible as they are incompatible with GB. The same reason they can't just "port" anything over.

On the good part, there is another expansion for GB coming and Yak-3 and La-7 are gonna make an appereance. 
 

 

[=gRiJ=Roman-]

Dear LukeFF, thanks for your reply.

One more question, when will the I-153 Chaika be ready?

Thanks and Merry Xmas

[Trooper117]

If there is going to be a Zeppelin it would be  inconceivable to have it without a channel map to go with it.

If that's not going to happen, then I'd rather they actually fleshed out the much needed two seater's... you know, the mainstay and reason for having opposing air forces in WWI to start with...

[LukeFF]

1 hour ago, =gRiJ=Roman- said:

Dear LukeFF, thanks for your reply.

One more question, when will the I-153 Chaika be ready?

Thanks and Merry Xmas

 

Likely some point in 2025

[JG4_Moltke1871]

That's a very interesting outlook for next year for Flying Circus!! Together with the statement that bomber interception missions will be revised specifically for WW1, this is great news. Now the Zeppelin bases in the rear area will be even more interesting. And if a few more planes get their FM updates, FC will be a small masterpiece that lives up to the demands of realism of the Great Battles series. Thanks for this positive outlook 👍🏻

[Juri_JS]

2 hours ago, Trooper117 said:

If there is going to be a Zeppelin it would be  inconceivable to have it without a channel map to go with it.

There were also Zeppelin attacks on Paris.

[Avimimus]

1 hour ago, Juri_JS said:

There were also Zeppelin attacks on Paris.

 

Yes. Do you know any good histories on it?

 

One of the things I dislike the most about research WWI aviation history is that there is this Edwardian chauvinism (or something going on) in English language sources, which tend to leave out the French history entirely.

[Juri_JS]

3 minutes ago, Avimimus said:

 

Yes. Do you know any good histories on it?

Not really, I only know what's mentioned in the Wikipedia Zeppelin article.

[Avimimus]

2 minutes ago, Juri_JS said:

Not really, I only know what's mentioned in the Wikipedia Zeppelin article.

 

I know they equipped some Farman F.40 with ten le Prieur rockets (in addition to defensive machine guns) to try to defend Paris. I haven't found any records of kills though.

[Hook_Echo]

 

I went and oogled this a couple months ago. Stoked for the Panther.

[Mtnbiker1998]

Good to hear about a "general revision of the aircraft AI", lord knows it needs it.

 

Really hoping you guys have more in store for the career mode than just the commander mode. slapping a logistics minigame on top of the existing career mode won't solve the repetitiveness issues that players complain about. You need to move away from the same missions being generated from the same generic templates with a few random variables! Its far from realistic even considering the supposed tedium of squadrons flying specialized missions.

 

I also still don't see why this "stopgap" was needed to improve the engine before going to the Pacific in the first place. We hear about "Collector aircraft" this and "future expansions" that, with a mention of maybe Carrier based aircraft, meanwhile you coulda had a 2 year headstart on your new rival but you decided you wanted to play with commie jets in a forgotten war instead. Why couldn't all of these engine improvements have been made while working on say, New Guinea?

[Trooper117]

15 hours ago, Juri_JS said:

There were also Zeppelin attacks on Paris.

 

I never cared much for Paris, not interested... trying to intercept Zep's heading out across channel, or over Blighty is my bag, that's because I'm 'Edwardian' see... 🥴

[AEthelraedUnraed]

8 hours ago, Mtnbiker1998 said:

Really hoping you guys have more in store for the career mode than just the commander mode. slapping a logistics minigame on top of the existing career mode won't solve the repetitiveness issues that players complain about. You need to move away from the same missions being generated from the same generic templates with a few random variables! Its far from realistic even considering the supposed tedium of squadrons flying specialized missions.

I disagree that it's not realistic, but of course one could argue that some more variation would be good for gameplay purposes.

 

Anyhow, they've already talked a bit about the new career mode. Apparently it mainly focuses on a list of real-world air operations. So that should hopefully address both the realism and the repetitiveness issues.

 

8 hours ago, Mtnbiker1998 said:

I also still don't see why this "stopgap" was needed to improve the engine before going to the Pacific in the first place. We hear about "Collector aircraft" this and "future expansions" that, with a mention of maybe Carrier based aircraft, meanwhile you coulda had a 2 year headstart on your new rival but you decided you wanted to play with commie jets in a forgotten war instead. Why couldn't all of these engine improvements have been made while working on say, New Guinea?

Who says it's a stopgap? Of course, the engine improvements could also have been made for e.g. New Guinea. But there are more factors at play here than your personal preference for WW2 PTO Korea has a couple of advantages compared to a PTO module:

• It's relatively new ground for a combat flight sim. DCS does have a Sabre/MiG combo, but no terrain nor other Korean War aircraft.
• Fast aircraft have always been popular. This is the very beginning of the jet age, which might attract new people while still being interesting for those who love WW2 warbirds.
• The Russians did fight in the Korean War, while they didn't fight in the PTO (barring a week-and-a-half in August 1945). Especially with the current political tensions, it makes sense that 1CGS wants to go for a strong home market.
• Similarly, Korea might be interesting for the Chinese market; PTO is less so (at least, the likely suspects for a module).

I think for the European market, the difference between Korea/PTO wouldn't be that great; both were largely a USA thing. So essentially, Korea should cater to all of their markets, being at a crossroads between old (props) vs. new (jets) as well as Asia (China, Korea) and Russia vs. West (US, with European support).

[Avimimus]

10 hours ago, Mtnbiker1998 said:

Good to hear about a "general revision of the aircraft AI", lord knows it needs it.

 

It is definitely the weakest point of all flight simulators. It'd be nice if the AI is modular enough that the fixes could be ported back to Great Battles / Flying Circus.

[Cavemanhead]

Probably mentioned at some point along the way but have the developers said the new sim will ensure native support of the Tobii TET 5?  And...  assumption is that VR support will be a priority...

[Gambit21]

On 12/28/2024 at 9:16 AM, Avimimus said:

I wonder if the La-11 will be flyable?

Oh big surprise!

 

Told ya

 

[ST_Catchov]

10 hours ago, Trooper117 said:

 

I never cared much for Paris, not interested... trying to intercept Zep's heading out across channel, or over Blighty is my bag, that's because I'm 'Edwardian' see... 🥴

 

Precisely old top. Edwardian chaps only ever went 'abroad' to acquire those saucy French postcards. Discretely of course.

[Boomerang]

Wishing all the very best to everyone for a fast approaching New Year. 

[FlyingNutcase]

"Cities, ports, factories, villages, and airfields will have people and night lighting to bring them to life." 

 

Really great news. Happy New Year all...

[Enceladus828]

On 12/28/2024 at 8:15 PM, Mtnbiker1998 said:

I also still don't see why this "stopgap" was needed to improve the engine before going to the Pacific in the first place. We hear about "Collector aircraft" this and "future expansions" that, with a mention of maybe Carrier based aircraft, meanwhile you coulda had a 2 year headstart on your new rival but you decided you wanted to play with commie jets in a forgotten war instead. Why couldn't all of these engine improvements have been made while working on say, New Guinea?

It was stated in Brief Room 3 that a lot of assets such as carriers, battleships, and cruisers have to be started well in advance to meet the deadline. Given how they wished they had done the Pacific instead of BoN it does seem a bit odd that they're doing Korea first instead of a PTO installment with limited naval involvement. But, the only one in that category I can think of is Burma which may not sell as good as Korea, though Guadalcanal overall didn't have much naval involvement except for some bits which can be added in the second installment.

[fergal69]

For our most extensive World War II period we plan to release a new Great Battles module with two maps, the Odessa region and Karelia, and 8 aircraft from the early and late periods of the war.

 

Looking forward to whatever the 8 planes maybe. Hopefully, something thrown in that's not a normal run of the mill plane, so to speak. 🤞

[Avimimus]

59 minutes ago, fergal69 said:

Hopefully, something thrown in that's not a normal run of the mill plane, so to speak. 🤞

 

I'm always a fan of this. It is good to have a high performance fighter for that audience... but there are a few of us who have been flying flight simulators long enough to have had that experience and want something different... that is one reason why I found the Ju-88C-6 in Battle of Normandy to be so refreshing. The WACO Glider was also quite a different experience.

 

For Odessa/Karelia - what would it be?

 

I like the Fi-156/Fw-189/Ar-196 because they haven't been made flyable in a combat flight simulator before (and are neat aircraft). I'm sure there are some other novel aircraft in those theatres.

 

I wonder what that would be for Korea?

 

I think a reason why I'm drawn to the F-82 and F7F-3N is simply that they haven't been represented in flight sims (e.g. they weren't in Mig Alley - although the F7F might have been in AoTP?). The B-26/A-26, Fairey Firefly, AD-2 Skyraider are also examples... aircraft I've not had a chance to fly before.

 

Of course, Korea has largely itself become that 'new experience' - only one sim 25 years earlier. Still, I find myself still drawn to aircraft like the F-82 and B-26 within it!

[Avimimus]

The discussion of whether civilians should be present, and the place of graphic violence in flight simulators generally, has been split into another topic:

 

[Avimimus]

On 12/28/2024 at 8:30 PM, LukeFF said:

Likely some point in 2025

 

Hey Luke! It is 2025 now.

 

We're waiting  

[RoteKampfflieger]

Dear LukeFF!

I got some photos and infos about the F4U-4 Corsair and these may can help the developers work. I have some good quality photos about -4 Corsairs from the Korean war period, these may can help to do accurate paint schemes. I have the pilot's manual of the -4 model, and I have got a book called "Corsairs in the Korean war". If these things can help to develop one of my favourite aircraft to the game, let me know and I will send them. 

[LukeFF]

1 hour ago, RoteKampfflieger said:

Dear LukeFF!

I got some photos and infos about the F4U-4 Corsair and these may can help the developers work. I have some good quality photos about -4 Corsairs from the Korean war period, these may can help to do accurate paint schemes. I have the pilot's manual of the -4 model, and I have got a book called "Corsairs in the Korean war". If these things can help to develop one of my favourite aircraft to the game, let me know and I will send them. 

 

Yes, you can send me anything you have through a PM, thanks.