Great Battles Future

[BraveSirRobin]

1 hour ago, Avimimus said:

It also may have a bit less appeal internationally. Commonwealth, Americans, and Russians all fought Germany... whereas most Pacific flight-sims leave out the Commonwealth parts of the theatre - so it ends up being purely Japan vs. the United States - with no relevance to Europe or to other former British colonies.

 

I was actually much more interested in North Africa growing up - as the local libraries actually had some books on it... whereas the Pacific carrier battles I only really learned about through a Battlefields documentary and short descriptions in books that covered a much larger subject matter (Thinking of one book - I was more impressed by the Taranto raid's than I was by Midway).

 

So one has >300 million Americans... but the market isn't guaranteed to be as enthusiastic internationally. IMHO, they've now covered the European theatre enough (especially if they do '45 East) that it'd be quite an exciting holiday to do New Guinea or something like that. I'm sure that it'd be more popular now than it was a few years ago... I know I'm much keener on the idea these days.

 

One of the podcasts interviews of third party devs (Magnitude 3 perhaps?) has some speculation that the availability of computational fluid dynamics on home computers could be used to fill in some of the gaps in flight-model information these days... so who knows? Things might change.

My first choice would be MTO.  But I still recognize the attraction of PTO.  Either would be good.  Early East means the franchise is done.

[DBFlyguy]

The more I think about it, I think we are getting the Mediterranean next. This may allow for them to slowly implement carrier aviation with the smaller Royal Navy and USN operations plus it still adds more 109s (Trop variants) to keep that crowd happy, the Italian fans can get a C200, G50 and/or Re.2001.  Enough can be different and new to keep it from stepping on the toes of "Desert Wings - Tobruk"

 

 

[CountZero]

If you cant make PTO, sicily+malta 43 is 2nd best, but i dubt its next as map is demanding (buildings various terain ...) and axis airplanes are italian not german, and even after so many years of c202 in game you rearly see it used by hartmans when they have 109s to pick.

So do as demanding or more dlc then bon for next 2.5 to 3 years, or do easyer mod like channel 43, copy paste buildings map and popular airplanes just diff version + 2 ai bombers you already have mostly done and Beaufighter and you can probably do that dlc in 1.5-2 year, and it ties in into bon and bobp and so on...

[Bell]

If they can't do PTO

 

[BraveSirRobin]

There is absolutely no chance that they’ll do Manchuria.  Not next.  Not ever.

 

1 hour ago, Bell said:

If they can't do PTO

 

 

[MAJ_Raptor]

I personally would enjoy Sabers Vs Migs in Korea.  However I realize I wont get my wish 

[Eisenfaustus]

2 hours ago, Raptor82 said:

I personally would enjoy Sabers Vs Migs in Korea.  However I realize I wont get my wish 

Yup - just like I won’t get Spanish civil war

[ITAF_Rani]

After many considerations, I think there are 3 main possibility.

 

 

-East scenario  ( Berlin or Hungary), 1944-45:                                                                 50%

 

-Pacific:                             20%

 

-Med ( 1943-44) :            30%

 

If they want shift to jet era so Korea will be the next...

Edited August 21, 2022 by ITAF_Rani

[Jackfraser24]

IL-2 Defence of The Reich (Strategic Bombing on both Britain, Germany and America).

 

I think for 1940 it would be a good idea to avoid the Battle of Britain as much as possible, restricting it to only Luftwaffe strategic bombing and RAF fighters defending their aerospace from them, as playable options. The rest of the Battle would be done with AI controlled planes. The Hurricane Mk.I is absent from my lists because assuming Finland is done way before this, there will already be a Hurricane Mk.I in the game.

 

DoTR 1939-40

RAF

• A.W. Whitley Mk.I
• H.P. Hampden Mk.I
• S. Spitfire Mk.I (Escort/defence)
• S. Spitfire Mk.II (Escort/defence) 
• V. Wellington Mk.Ia 

Luftwaffe

• Bf-109 E-1, E-3 or E-4 (defender/escort)
• Do-17 Z-2
• He-111 H-2
• He-111 P-2
• Ju-88 A-1

DoTR 1941

 

RAF

• A.W. Whitley Mk.VII
• H.P Halifax Mk.I
• Sh. Sterling Mk.I
• S. Spitfire Mk.Va (Escort)
• V. Wellington Mk.II or III

Luftwaffe

• Bf-109 F-1
• Bf-110 F-1 or F-2 (night fighter)
• Do-217 E-1
• Fw-190 A-1 or A-2 (day fighter)
• Fw-200 C-3 (Maritime/heavy bomber)

DoTR 1942

 

Allies

• Av. Lancaster B.Mk.I
• H.P. Halifax Mk.III
• B. B-17F
• Con. B-24D
• S. Spitfire Mk.IXc 1942

Germany

• Bf-109 G-1
• Do-217 K-1
• Fw-190 A-4
• He-111 H-11
• Ju-88 A-14

DoTR 1943

 

Allies

• Av. Lancaster B.Mk.II
• B. B-17G-1
• H.P. Halifax B. Mk.V
• Con. B-24J
• Rep. P-47C

Germany

• Bf-109 G-5
• Bf-110 G-4
• He-177 A-1 or A-5
• He-219 A-2
• Ju-188 E-1

DoTR 1944-45

 

Allies

• Av. Lancaster B.Mk.VI
• B. B-17 G-50
• Con. B-24 J-80
• H.P. Halifax B.Mk.VI
• L. P-38 J-10

Axis

• Bf-109 G-6AS
• Bf-109 G-6 Erla Hood
• He-219 A-7
• Ju-88 G-1
• Me-163 B

 

Edited August 21, 2022 by Jackfraser24

[FliegerAD]

The series really is not well suited for any strategic bombing campaign simulation.

 

What we need is a focus on tactical operations (because that's the game we have), late war planes (because they sell best apparently), and staying away from the eastern front (at least for the foreseeable future).

 

Thanks to Bodenplatte and Normandy, the western front is basically done. ...unless you want to go super-late and deeper into Germany, to include stuff like He 162 and possibly even Meteor. I would not mind that but we are getting close to 46-vibes with that.

 

The way I see it, there is one scenario which could do:

 

Italy 1944

 

Axis possibilties:

- Bf 109 G10

- G.55 Centauro

- C.205 Veltro

- Re.2005 Sagittario

- Fw 190 F9

- Ju 188

 

So even if one does not care for the Italian part of the Axis, there are still enough of the familiar toys.

 

 

Allied possibilities:

- Beaufighter X

- Kittyhawk IV

- Spitfire VIII (would prefer the XVI, but not sure if in Italy...)

- P-39N or Q (flown by the co-belligerent Italians)

- Mosquito IX

 

I would also prefer to add some Mustang or Thunderbolt but I am not sure what is left.

However, if one is particularly ... experimental, there is the YP-80.

 

Furthermore, I love the A-36 but the scenario is too late for it.

_

Edited August 21, 2022 by FliegerAD

[BMA_FlyingShark]

31 minutes ago, FliegerAD said:

Furthermore, I love the A-36 but the scenario is too late for it

As a collector plane than, why not?

 

Have a nice day.

 

[Jackfraser24]

7 hours ago, FliegerAD said:

The series really is not well suited for any strategic bombing campaign simulation.

 

What we need is a focus on tactical operations (because that's the game we have), late war planes (because they sell best apparently), and staying away from the eastern front (at least for the foreseeable future).

 

Thanks to Bodenplatte and Normandy, the western front is basically done. ...unless you want to go super-late and deeper into Germany, to include stuff like He 162 and possibly even Meteor. I would not mind that but we are getting close to 46-vibes with that.

 

The way I see it, there is one scenario which could do:

 

Italy 1944

 

Axis possibilties:

- Bf 109 G10

- G.55 Centauro

- C.205 Veltro

- Re.2005 Sagittario

- Fw 190 F9

- Ju 188

 

So even if one does not care for the Italian part of the Axis, there are still enough of the familiar toys.

 

 

Allied possibilities:

- Beaufighter X

- Kittyhawk IV

- Spitfire VIII (would prefer the XVI, but not sure if in Italy...)

- P-39N or Q (flown by the co-belligerent Italians)

- Mosquito IX

 

I would also prefer to add some Mustang or Thunderbolt but I am not sure what is left.

However, if one is particularly ... experimental, there is the YP-80.

 

Furthermore, I love the A-36 but the scenario is too late for it.

_

I know. But just wait a few years from now.

[=gRiJ=Roman-]

It's very simple for me: aeronaval battles ... torpedoes and flattops.

[Hoss]

On 8/19/2022 at 4:54 PM, Avimimus said:

It also may have a bit less appeal internationally. Commonwealth, Americans, and Russians all fought Germany... whereas most Pacific flight-sims leave out the Commonwealth parts of the theatre - so it ends up being purely Japan vs. the United States - with no relevance to Europe or to other former British colonies.

 

Well, I'd hate to tell the Royal Navy they were not at Okinawa... the RAF/AVG in the CBI, the Dutch, RNZAF/RNZN, RAAF, RAN, and Chinese, that they did not participate, and lost no service men in WWII Pacific, or CBI theaters. Don't forget the Soviet Union jumped in at the end in Manchuria. There's your IL-10 in a proper theater of war... the 26th Assault Aviation Regiment of the Pacific Navy Aviation. 

 

 

Hoss

[Vastarien]

Carrier ops in the Med, martlets as collector plane would be great.

[Avimimus]

2 minutes ago, Hoss said:

 

Well, I'd hate to tell the Royal Navy they were not at Okinawa... the RAF/AVG in the CBI, the Dutch, RNZAF/RNZN, RAAF, RAN, and Chinese, that they did not participate, and lost no service men in WWII Pacific, or CBI theaters. Don't forget the Soviet Union jumped in at the end in Manchuria. There's your IL-10 in a proper theater of war... the 26th Assault Aviation Regiment of the Pacific Navy Aviation. 

 

 

Hoss

 

Definitely! But how many Pacific sims have depicted any of those? Maybe one 1946 came close toward the end of development.

 

But the truth is that almost all Pacific sims focus on the Battle of the Coral Sea and Midway... and occasionally Guadalcanal... the presence of the RAAF/RNZAF/FAA in the Pacific is almost entirely undepicted... and I wouldn't expect to see a Firefly, Vengeance, or even a Beaufighter (although the last one might be more likely with Jason being involved).

 

 

  

8 hours ago, FliegerAD said:

I would also prefer to add some Mustang or Thunderbolt but I am not sure what is left.

However, if one is particularly ... experimental, there is the YP-80.

 

What about the early P-38 variants?

[Mtnbiker1998]

8 hours ago, FliegerAD said:

The series really is not well suited for any strategic bombing campaign simulation.

 

What we need is a focus on tactical operations (because that's the game we have), late war planes (because they sell best apparently), and staying away from the eastern front (at least for the foreseeable future).

 

Thanks to Bodenplatte and Normandy, the western front is basically done. ...unless you want to go super-late and deeper into Germany, to include stuff like He 162 and possibly even Meteor. I would not mind that but we are getting close to 46-vibes with that.

 

The way I see it, there is one scenario which could do:

 

Italy 1944

 

Axis possibilties:

- Bf 109 G10

- G.55 Centauro

- C.205 Veltro

- Re.2005 Sagittario

- Fw 190 F9

- Ju 188

 

So even if one does not care for the Italian part of the Axis, there are still enough of the familiar toys.

 

 

Allied possibilities:

- Beaufighter X

- Kittyhawk IV

- Spitfire VIII (would prefer the XVI, but not sure if in Italy...)

- P-39N or Q (flown by the co-belligerent Italians)

- Mosquito IX

 

I would also prefer to add some Mustang or Thunderbolt but I am not sure what is left.

However, if one is particularly ... experimental, there is the YP-80.

 

Furthermore, I love the A-36 but the scenario is too late for it.

_

I hadn't thought of a late war Italy front tbh, that sounds like it could be pretty fun. For your Thunderbolt idea, a late model M maybe? Not sure how much service they saw in Italy. The P-40N is a cool choice, though I worry given the dev's treatment of Allison engine timers in this game. For that reason I think we'd be better off with a Merlin'ed F or L model. I'd also love if an A-20G can get squeezed in there somewhere. 

 

There is something a little weird about having another 1944 dlc overlapping with Normandy and Bodenplatte, but thats a pretty minor thing and probably not that relevant. I do want an A-36 though, Heck, a P-51A collector plane with all the different payload options as mods would be AWESOME.

[Bell]

On 8/21/2022 at 6:52 AM, Bell said:

If they can't do PTO

 

If they can't make Japanese aircraft MTO is my second choice,I like Serie 5 Italian fighters very much,Battle of Berlin is good too.https://youtu.be/b7nHtp1LKiM

[FliegerAD]

17 hours ago, Avimimus said:

What about the early P-38 variants?

 

Interesting, I forgot about it. Curiosuly, a late variant seems possible. The P-38L was in Italy late war.

 

The problem is still the lack of Mustangs and Thunderbolts. As much as people like to make fun of axis players wanting 109s and 190s, I think the problem is quite similar on the other side of the fence. The presence of a Spitfire at least appeases British fans.

 

On the other hand, it would be a quirky plane set:

 

Allied possibilities:

- Beaufighter X

- P-38L

- Kittyhawk IV

- Spitfire VIII (would prefer the XVI, but not sure if in Italy...)

- P-39N or Q (flown by the co-belligerent Italians)

 

As a fan of the P-39 I sure want more of it in game. And seeing the latest iteration of the venerable P-40 would be nice, too.

 

Also, yes, I would buy an A-36 immediately. I am just not sure if many others would. Maybe instead of the Beaufighter?

 

 

17 hours ago, Mtnbiker1998 said:

I hadn't thought of a late war Italy front tbh, that sounds like it could be pretty fun. For your Thunderbolt idea, a late model M maybe?

 

Not sure about it, either. Funny enough, if one goes that late, even Soviet planes might be on the table. Their air force went into northern Italy coming from the Balkans. Also, even funnier, the Soviet air force had a military base in Bari, but they were supporting the Balkans operations.

[Avimimus]

1 hour ago, FliegerAD said:

The problem is still the lack of Mustangs and Thunderbolts. As much as people like to make fun of axis players wanting 109s and 190s, I think the problem is quite similar on the other side of the fence. The presence of a Spitfire at least appeases British fans.

 

Well, I'm not sure how much... the Spitfire is one aircraft that occasionally gets depicted in sims (e.g. Janes WWII fighters, or any Battle of Britain sim)...  so I felt very lucky to have the Hurricane II, Typhoon, and Tempest in the sim (as well as the Mossie). I suppose the Beaufighter and the late model Wellingtons (likely AI only) might be of interest as additions (they would also be very useful on the Normandy/Channel map - especially as an opponents to the Ju-88C)!

 

In terms of American fighters the Tomahawk (P-40B/C) would be useful for Moscow as well... but I'm not sure if it was still used in Italy in 1944? It is my favourite variant though (and we do have it in Tobruk/Desert Wings at least)! The P-40N/Kittyhawk Mk IV does sound like a bit of fun though - with its higher speeds and larger bombloads (6x250lb anyone?)  It'd also be great to have additional P-39 variants!

 

Here is a question for you - if the Bf-109G10 and Fw-190A9 end up being used for a '45 East or Berlin scenarios... what aircraft would you replace them with?

[FliegerAD]

2 hours ago, Avimimus said:

Here is a question for you - if the Bf-109G10 and Fw-190A9 end up being used for a '45 East or Berlin scenarios... what aircraft would you replace them with?

 

The ANR operated Bf 109 G14/AS, so there is that. It is a bit harder to replace the Fw 190 A9, maybe with the Re.2001, but we would have enough airplanes regardless:

 

Axis possibilties:

- Bf 109 G14/AS

- G.55 Centauro

- C.205 Veltro

- Re.2005 Sagittario

- Ju 188

 

Many other Italian planes were still around but either in small numbers and/or for training purposes or night time operations only. Think of the S.M.79...

[IckyATLAS]

When we look at the very uncertain times (politically, economically, globally speaking) we are living in, if BON sells well, whatever the next GB will be, it will most probably be one that is financially the less expensive to do in terms of investment. I cannot imagine a Pacific Theater one (BOP) where  all the planes have to be created, and a large bunch of ships, cruisers, carriers etc. Maps maybe simpler depending on the area chosen but still it would be a major investment. All this tells me for a maximum reuse of what already exists. We had three GB on the Soviet Union theater, we have two on the European theater, and so I bet we get another one on the European theater, maybe with more sea and ships maybe not. In any case the European theater is rich in battles and historical events, example the Battle of Britain which is an aerial battle but with also bombing and ground attacks. Battle of Britain would be my favourite at this point (considering BOP is out of contest).

Edited August 23, 2022 by IckyATLAS

[Avimimus]

18 hours ago, FliegerAD said:

Many other Italian planes were still around but either in small numbers and/or for training purposes or night time operations only. Think of the S.M.79...

 

What about replacing one aircraft with an Arado Ar-196? I believe they were still active in 1944 Italy. The Fi-156 too is also a possibility, especially as artillery spotting could be brought in from FC.

 

It'd be certainly a change from the Bf-109 or Fw-190!

Edited August 23, 2022 by Avimimus

[CountZero]

27 minutes ago, Eeafanas said:

Barbarossa, Leningrad. (Summer-autumn 1941). There is a huge scope for the development of interesting controlled ground equipment and aircraft.

Your words do not carry any weight, since everything you said above is a lie.
BoM sold very well, and the eastern front 1941-1944 is still quite interesting to the western community. This is especially valuable for the Eastern community, where I come from.
You don't like the fact that the DLC about the USSR liberating Europe is a bad option? Then accept my condolences. Take into account the fact that in addition to aircraft, you can also add controlled ground vehicles.

Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.

I remenber time after BoM was anounced and when it was finished, and how leadership got changed after it, just take a look at players badges on forum and how many have gold BoS but not gold BoM, most buy BoM only after things got changed and we went to West front.

West front is where game will go, east front is done, and current world enviroments just made it sure.

[Enceladus828]

27 minutes ago, BraveSirRobin said:

And BoM sales were not good.  Jason made it pretty clear that they went full uber with BoBP because they needed much better sales or they were toast.  There is no chance of any more early east modules.  They don’t sell.

There's so much I want to say but have already said it on this thread, so I'll limit it to this. With BoBP, BoN, and Western collector planes, this should be able to sustain the devs to tackle larger projects. It looks like BoN was more profitable for the team than they thought as why else would they have decided to make the C-47 flyable halfway in?

 

If the devs want to go early Eastern front such as Barbarossa with a 1943 map as well or Finland then this can give us planes to further flesh out the assets we already have in the game such as Pe-3, SB-2, IL-4, P-40C, early LaGG-3, I-153, Ju-87B-2, MC.200, Bf-110F, and some lend lease used by the Finns if they go there like the Hurricane Mk.I, Blenheim, Gladiator, and Morane 406.

 

Continuing with the Eastern front after BoK may not have been unwise, but going back to it after BoN, Pacific... whatever they do... would be interesting to players.

[BraveSirRobin]

2 minutes ago, Enceladus said:

There's so much I want to say but have already said it on this thread, so I'll limit it to this. With BoBP, BoN, and Western collector planes, this should be able to sustain the devs to tackle larger projects. It looks like BoN was more profitable for the team than they thought as why else would they have decided to make the C-47 flyable halfway in?

Even if we assume that you’re correct about this, risking bad sales for a collector plane is an entirely different beast than risking bad sales for a new module.  New modules keep the franchise alive.  If a new module is a complete failure they are almost certainly screwed.  They can probably survive bad sales for a collector aircraft pretty easily.

[Drum]

I'll buy whatever they put out, I'm hooked on the game.  I don't have badges for my BOM & BOK buys because I bought those on Steam and you don't get badges from a Steam purchase.  I even tried to buy the 1C versions afterwards (vanity) to get those two shiny badges <G> but, if you buy from Steam first that's no longer possible.  An early Russian Battle of Leningrad would be great IMO, plus the whole Finnish front area would have more interesting terrain to fly over then flat western Europe.

 

If they're not going to add four engine bombers for a while, I really hope they go somewhere next that has some challenging terrain and weather to deal with.  They need to add ice effects, low fog, freezing rain etc. along with a more varied damage model such as dead radios, hydraulic pressure loss (hanging landing gear) electrical (fuse) problems and a bunch more of that type of sugar coating to the rest of everything else, even if made as optional.  For me, some of the best moments in the game come when I'm trying to get my shot up butt back to base safely.

 

What I really like about the Russian Front is; there's a ton of things to bomb with my Jabo fighter-bomber.  ?

Possibly a map pack and an enhancement upgrade would work, the planes that fought over Stalingrad for instance, also fought many other places too which haven't been addressed yet.  Throw in a few more tank types, support features for multiplayer servers, bug fixes etc.  There's a lot that could be added yet to what we already have that could make those BOX sets even more fleshed out, including more optimizations and the like, but maps alone can get the job done with a tank or plane thrown in here and there to support those map locations as needed.

Edited August 23, 2022 by Drum

[Bell]

On 8/22/2022 at 8:38 AM, Bell said:

On 8/21/2022 at 6:52 AM, Bell said:

If they can't do PTO

 

Expand  

If they can't make Japanese aircraft MTO is my second choice,I like Serie 5 Italian fighters very much,Battle of Berlin is good too.https://youtu.be/b7nHtp1LKiM

If they can't do PTO,I want to go to China.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerial_engagements_of_the_Second_Sino-Japanese_War?wprov=sfla1

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Development_of_Chinese_Nationalist_air_force_(1937–1945)?wprov=sfla1

 

Edited August 23, 2022 by Bell

[IckyATLAS]

In terms of sales I would agree that probably the Western and Pacific fronts will sell more than the Eastern Front.

The reason I see is very simple. Eastern front pitched Soviet Union directly against Germany. To make it basic and simple two countries two markets and you add the population numbers.

Western front pitched many countries directly against Germany so multiple markets.  A big one US, but also UK, France, Australia, Italy, Germany and depending on where you localize your map you can add also the Soviet Union. The population sum grows by a multiple factor.

For the Pacific, we may have UK, Australia, Japan and US which is still much bigger market.

But this kind of simple back of the envelope calculation may be wrong.

[JG300_Egon]

If they decide to go towards the PTO, it will be a huge turning point because I can't imagine they will abandon that front after only 1 module after investing a huge amout of ressources (in terms of time and datas) for that specific front.

 

But I highly doubt of the PTO for now, for the following reasons :

- Lack of data / difficulties to translate from Japanese the data for the Japanese aircraft (if they exists except for the Zero) ;

- Huge work to implement a vast amout of ships (CV, Battleships, cruisers) on both sides ;

- I think the big ships will reprensent the same difficulties as heavy bombers for the IA (gunners + turrets) ;

- New functionnality for CVs ;

- PTO is a huge theater in term of distance, so it will limit the choice of the maps a bit if they want to implement at a scale of 1:1, or they will have to concede on that ;

   plus not everybody will like to fly 3hrs above the sea to bomb for 5 minutes... ?

 

 

We can imagine they will do a 3rd module on the West Front, like Italy 43/44. It could be a nice transition towards the MTO just after.

 

And somebody already said that MTO could bring the CVs (UK), so implementing that functionnality without too much pressure.

 

 

Anyway, we will support them wherever they may roam... ?

 

 

 

Edited August 23, 2022 by JG300_Egon

[Vig]

Whatever comes, I missed it.  Too old to play this sort of game anymore.  My controllers are in storage just in case some sort of visual miracle occurs.

[SYN_Haashashin]

Ok, some cleaning was done. Let’s see if we can keep it open without trouble.

 

Haash

[FliegerAD]

On 8/23/2022 at 10:47 PM, JG300_Egon said:

And somebody already said that MTO could bring the CVs (UK), so implementing that functionnality without too much pressure.

 

Ok, restart...

 

Bringing carriers to another scenario than the PTO is a risky move, but a worthwile one if you ask me. Allied carrier planes in the MTO and the North Sea provide some very interesting match-ups and missions.

 

Imagine Hellcats battling classic German fighters over Norway's fjords (and a certain big battleship...), or diving on targets in the beautiful southern French countryside during Operation Dragoon.

And actually, I would love to see a fight Hellcat vs 190.

 

 

Also, this way you could test how carrier ops work in game before going full carrier groups vs carrier group... Though, in all fairness, I do not even know if this game can handle carriers at all.

 

_

Edited August 28, 2022 by FliegerAD

[simfan2015]

ED's DCS World is going to the Pacific region with... a few planes to follow. 

May take at least 5 years (I guess) . 

Jason and the teams know this of course and it could impact their 1C decisions to opt for or against going PTO (???). 

I am looking forward to whatever they do and will buy whatever comes. 

I got to buy the Churchill first... Looks absolutely stunning! 

[Ribbon]

Battle of the Coral sea would be perfect;

-have nice map with islands (decent land mass)

- have carriers

-have torpedo bombers

 

After all these copy paste gameplay expansions, naval ops (carriers and torpedo bombers) would be more than welcome.

[BOO]

52 minutes ago, =VARP=Ribbon said:

After all these copy paste gameplay expansions, naval ops (carriers and torpedo bombers) would be more than welcome.

"Copy and Paste" is perhaps a little unfair on the devs given the current limitations of the engine tech and the need to generate the maximum interest in the title over that last two expansions. And wouldnt a further naval expansion after the first simply be copy and paste by the metrics you use?

[ST_Catchov]

Look, this isn't Adventures in Rainbow Country. After Normandy, DM revisions and drop tanks the pot of gold will be FC2, 3 and 4.

[Ribbon]

32 minutes ago, BOO said:

"Copy and Paste" is perhaps a little unfair on the devs given the current limitations of the engine tech and the need to generate the maximum interest in the title over that last two expansions. And wouldnt a further naval expansion after the first simply be copy and paste by the metrics you use?

From a pure customer/gamer perspective it's not unfair, it's business not charity work and it's not up to me to worry about the game engine.

I stated my opinion as a customer not as armchair dev.

From a gameplay variety perspective it is copy paste, dogfights and ground attacks which become quite boring.

Adding naval ops brings another dimension and much needed variety.

 

Saying after that it would be another copy paste gameplay is the most stupid excuse i've heard here for not to do it...

Edited August 29, 2022 by =VARP=Ribbon

[BOO]

17 minutes ago, =VARP=Ribbon said:

From a pure customer/gamer perspective it's not unfair, it's business not charity work and it's not up to me to worry about the game engine.

I stated my opinion as a customer not as armchair dev.

From a gameplay variety perspective it is copy paste, dogfights and ground attacks which become quite boring.

Adding naval ops brings another dimension and much needed variety.

 

Saying after that it would be another copy paste gameplay is the most stupid excuse i've heard here for not to do it...

I didnt say dont do it nor did I use that argument as an excuse not to.

 

I pointed out than once something is done once its done and any variation on a theme falls into the same trap. Save for carrier landings and torpedo runs which will soon become as routine as GA is now isnt the PTO just the same basic concept? What could you have them do to avoid any risk of copy paste after the Pacific?  Korea? isnt that just the same with jets? Vietnam, same again but faster? Star wars? 

 

I understand the copy/paste thing too. Rhineland is my least favorite map. Im not too enthused about BON either. Late war aviation also isnt my thing.  I get it and Id like to see PTO as well. I agreed its a new dimesion to the game.  But I understand they had to do something whilst they couldnt do PTO in oder to survive. On order that we stand a chance of PTO when they could. As a customer/gamer I sooner this than nothing.  

 

Before BOBP the Devs via Jason Williams clearly stated that the Pacific was beyond them at the time for various reasons. It was also implied that something needed to happen to produce sales prior to Kuban. I dont need to pretend to be an armchair Dev to read what is posted in the forums by the devs and producers and understand it. 

 

You have every right to express your opinion. And I mine. You also have ever right to call my comments stupid. And I yours. 

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48 minutes ago, =VARP=Ribbon said:

From a gameplay variety perspective it is copy paste, dogfights and ground attacks which become quite boring.

And pacific would add torpedo runs - but unless you play a torpedo bomber it will be dogfights, bombing or strafing runs too.

 

What I find most interesting about pacific theatre are the dogfights in Zeros. I personally would propably fly 3-5 topedo attacvks and then I'd be back to dogfighting and dive bombing. PTO is still WWII air combat after all...