Great Battles Future

[LukeFF]

26 minutes ago, 1PL-Husar-1Esk said:

Karelia will have Brewster 239 , Fiat G.50, Curtiss Hawk 75A , Fokker D.XXI, and Blenheim Mk. IV , this is not enough?

 

Not unless a third party develops them to a level of quality that is acceptable for inclusion.

[Jackfraser24]

39 minutes ago, 1PL-Husar-1Esk said:

Karelia will have Brewster 239 , Fiat G.50, Curtiss Hawk 75A , Fokker D.XXI, and Blenheim Mk. IV , this is not enough?

 

 

That’s plenty!

[Avimimus]

12 minutes ago, Jackfraser24 said:

That’s plenty!

 

We'll, I'd still like to also see a Fw-189 and maybe another Soviet aircraft (Pe-3?) for Karelia... one can dream, eh?

[BlitzPig_EL]

I suspect what we will end up with will be the late Continuation War plane set.  BF 109s for Finland and Yaks for the VVS.

Boring.

[Avimimus]

3 minutes ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

I suspect what we will end up with will be the late Continuation War plane set.  BF 109s for Finland and Yaks for the VVS.

Boring.

 

Well, a LaGG-3 late would be useful, and a Bf-109G8 would at least be different... but I can't help but feel that there are more interesting possibilities... if third parties can be found.

[Jackfraser24]

4 minutes ago, Avimimus said:

 

Well, a LaGG-3 late would be useful, and a Bf-109G8 would at least be different... but I can't help but feel that there are more interesting possibilities... if third parties can be found.

I also don’t mind a late war Karelia, as long as they do an earlier plane set as well later on. 

[Trooper117]

The reason I was excited for this was because of the early war scenario... if it's going to be doubtful we will get the planes required then I've just gone luke warm...

[Enceladus828]

3 hours ago, LukeFF said:

 

Not unless a third party develops them to a level of quality that is acceptable for inclusion.

The B-239 and G.50 are currently being made: https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/86638-karelia-map-discussion/page/6/#comment-1332806

 

[LukeFF]

Yes, I am aware of that, but there is a long way to go before you can even think about seeing them in the game.

[Gambit21]

8 hours ago, LLv44_Damixu said:

The level of quality of Karelia map will carry on to the new game engine specs (I've been told).
 

 

That doesn't make any sense.

They're using updated map tech for the next release, Karelia is the older/outdated map tech.

Frankly the newer shots looks just incrementally better to me, but waiting to see more shots before I make the "still looks painterly" statement.

 

 

 

[1PL-Husar-1Esk]

9 hours ago, LukeFF said:

Yes, I am aware of that, but there is a long way to go before you can even think about seeing them in the game.

Exactly, so I think early access is the best option, because if DLC supposed to have both map, unfinished planes on third party side could postpone whole release not just by two weeks.

[354thFG_Leifr]

15 hours ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

I suspect what we will end up with will be the late Continuation War plane set.  BF 109s for Finland and Yaks for the VVS.

Boring.

 

I feel like we'll end up with very little, and just the map. 🥲

[Jackfraser24]

On 11/6/2024 at 10:33 PM, 356thFS_Leifr said:

 

I feel like we'll end up with very little, and just the map. 🥲

I'm sure that they won't (third parties) leave us with nothing but the Karelia map. I can see from this thread that the demand for more aircraft for Karelia is there. I think the Karelia map will get some Finnish aircraft like the Blenheim, Buffalo, D.XXI, G.50bis and the Morko Morane, while the Soviets may get aircraft like the Tomahawk, LaGG-3 series 4, DB-3, IL-4 and the P-40M. 

[Avimimus]

56 minutes ago, Jackfraser24 said:

I'm sure that they won't (third parties) leave us with nothing but the Karelia map. I can see from this thread that the demand for more aircraft for Karelia is there. I think the Karelia map will get some Finnish aircraft like the Blenheim, Buffalo, D.XXI, G.50bis and the Morko Morane, while the Soviets may get aircraft like the Tomahawk, LaGG-3 series 4, DB-3, IL-4 and the P-40M. 

 

I'd recommend being cautious with the optimism. We might get one or two fighters... but it isn't guaranteed. Anything else is something of an outside chance - we can hope, but we probably shouldn't 'think' anything is probable or likely.

 

It is better to think along the lines of 'it may not be impossible' for a third party.

[Enceladus828]

Agree, we know that the Buffalo and G.50 will be coming but will be awhile. I doubt we'll see any bombers save for the Pe-3 and Pe-2 (1944), there will be at most one or two entirely new aircraft (I-153 and Fw-189), and the rest will be variants of existing aircraft like the Ju-87D-5 (early Yak-1 and LaGG-3, IL-2M, Bf-110F-2).

[TempestV]

1 hour ago, Enceladus828 said:

Agree, we know that the Buffalo and G.50 will be coming but will be awhile. I doubt we'll see any bombers save for the Pe-3 and Pe-2 (1944), there will be at most one or two entirely new aircraft (I-153 and Fw-189), and the rest will be variants of existing aircraft like the Ju-87D-5 (early Yak-1 and LaGG-3, IL-2M, Bf-110F-2).

Wot???

No variants of the He111?!!!😁

[Jackfraser24]

8 hours ago, TempestV said:

Wot???

No variants of the He111?!!!😁

The He-111 would take too long to make. And they want to move on to Korea: IL-2 as soon as possible without having to create more labors for themselves. But I would have liked to have seen earlier versions of the He-111 myself like the H-2 and the P-2 or P-4. I think that Great Battles needs more medium bombers and I don't think it does Great Battles any justice only having the B-25D and the B-26B as AI planes, although I can understand the reason why they don't want to create anymore work for themselves when they should be focusing 100% of their budget, time, and human resources on Korea. I also think that we should have aircraft like the A-20G, B-25H, DB-3, IL-4, SB-2, and Tu-2 in Great Battles but they have to move on. Hopefully they could do all of these planes in the next series but as for now we'll have to be content with what we have.  

Edited November 9, 2024 by Jackfraser24

[Jackfraser24]

23 hours ago, Enceladus828 said:

Agree, we know that the Buffalo and G.50 will be coming but will be awhile. I doubt we'll see any bombers save for the Pe-3 and Pe-2 (1944), there will be at most one or two entirely new aircraft (I-153 and Fw-189), and the rest will be variants of existing aircraft like the Ju-87D-5 (early Yak-1 and LaGG-3, IL-2M, Bf-110F-2).

That is still plenty of aircraft that are yet to come. I'd say that we would definitely get the Pe-3 as I have heard that the IL-2 development team themselves have said that there is demand for one. I think that there is a good chance of seeing a 1944 version of the Pe-2 as well for Odessa as it shouldn't be too hard for them to base it off of preexisting models in the game. The I-153 is definitely coming as we all know here, though when is another question all together. I'd like to see the Fw-189 come to Great Battles as it was extensively used on the Eastern Front, though if it comes is a completely different discussion, but that might be a job for a third party developer. But I think that you are right about that if there are going to be more aircraft for Great Battles we would most likely see different versions of aircraft that are already in the game. I'll tell you what though, I don't think that it would be a bad idea for them to make aircraft like the Fi-156, Tomahawk Mk.II and the Beaufighter Mk.VIc. 

[Jackfraser24]

Would anyone like to see a third party Kursk map made for Great Battles? I think that this is something that should be discussed before they cease development on the series and move onto another one. It was one of the biggest battles on the Eastern Front, and it should be relatively easy to make compared to Normandy and Bodeplatte, and although I know that there is the Prokhorovka map I think that there should be a map bigger and more suitable for the air war aspect of the battle. Sturmoviks and Stukas were used extensively in this battle, which is worthy of noting. 

Edited November 10, 2024 by Jackfraser24

[Trooper117]

[BlitzPig_EL]

See my comments in the Korea forum.

[LukeFF]

Alright, I think this thread has gone on long enough. Any third-party maps in the future for GB will only come from third-party teams that show the aptitude to create them, as you all have seen with the Karelia map. Outside of that, all in-house map development will be for the new IL-2 Series line of titles.