Great Battles Future

[Aapje]

6 hours ago, AEthelraedUnraed said:

To add some nuance; they are not redoing the engine but modifying it.

 

By redoing decent parts of it, I think.

[Jackfraser24]

Why a Kharkov map should be made or at least be considered making by 1CGS or a third party developer.

1. This area was a battle hotspot during WWII. Firstly, four battles were fought for control over the city of Kharkov. Secondly, there was the huge battle for the cities of of Kursk and Belgorod which which are not that far away from Kharkov, and all cities could fit on one map. Therefore the Battle of Kursk and Kharkov and Belgorod could be covered under one map. 
2. I don’t think the Battle of Kharkov has been covered in a single flight combat simulation game before. I’ve been searching and I haven’t found a War Thunder or IL-2 1946 map of Kharkov. In fact from my knowledge the last time that realistic combat simulation had anything to do with the Battles of Kharkov it was Steel Fury - Kharkov 1942. A good game but a little outdated.
3. Kharkov was the site for a very important series of battles that helped determine the outcome of the Eastern Front. Kharkov was a strategic location because it was crucial for the Axis to capture the city to have control over the Donbas and secure their southern flank of their offensive into Russia. And when the Soviets retook the city the southern flank was crippled. 
4. The Kharkov/Kursk/Belgorod would offer a decent map size with several large cities and many smaller settlements, but most of it would be open rural areas unpopulated by buildings and large forests. There would also be different variants of the same map which are Autumn 1941, Spring 1942, Winter 1943, and Summer 1943. 
5. The second Battle of Kharkov would serve as a prelude to the Battle of Stalingrad. It was where the Soviets tried to retake the city but the Axis repelled the offensives and within a month they carried out Case Blue which lead to the Battle of Stalingrad. 
6. All four battles of Kharkov would show  a different story though career mode. The first battle would show how the Axis used Blitzkrieg quickly to take the city. The Second battle would show how the Soviets failed to achieve the degree of the element of surprise they were hoping to deliver to the Axis in order to retake the city. The third battle would show how the Soviets retook the cities of Kharkov and Belgorod briefly before losing them again to the Axis. The last battle would be about the Soviet retaking the city for once and for all. 
7. Part of the map that I propose has already been made - Prokhorovka. This includes the city of Belgorod. So they wouldn’t be starting from scratch. 
8. The Battle of Kharkov would make a good tank battle in career, AQMB and multiplayer as lots of AFVs fought there. Also it would be a brilliant unofficial and indirect successor to Steel Fury. 
9. Lots of plane sorties were used in the battles of Kharkov, Kursk and Belgorod. This would be a good opportunity for planes we already have to be included into pilot career mode. 
10. I think that the Battles of Kharkov would receive a lot of critical praise if done right. And it would keep the hype going for Great Battles

 

Look, I know 1CGS probably won't do this and I know they have to do what is best for their business and most likely move on from Great Battles towards the next project. I just wanted to get this out there though.

Edited June 14, 2024 by Jackfraser24

[Jackfraser24]

On 6/11/2024 at 10:55 PM, AEthelraedUnraed said:

How well do you think a Königsberg Map would sell? If it was set during early 1945?

[Jackfraser24]

Why a Konigsberg map should be be made or at least considered by 1CGS or a third party developer.

1. It was the site of the East Prussian offensive, a large scale and lengthy operation that took place between Jan 13 - April 25 1945. At the start of the East Prussian Offensive there were around 3,000-3,500 Soviet planes and 450-600 German planes present, as well as around 3,000-3,500 Soviet tanks and self propelled guns and 200-300 German tanks and assault guns present in the offensive. The Luftwaffe was basically crippled after Operation Bodenplatte but they still flew sorties over there.
2. It was an important event during WWII for several reasons. First reason is that the Soviet offensive into East Prussia was of strategic importance because the region was very important to the German war effort industrially and agriculturally. Another reason why the east Prussian Offensive was historically important was because this was where the German Army Group North was finally encircled, which proved disastrous for Germany as they were cut off from the East Prussian region. It also paved the way for the final assault on Berlin and Hitler's final downfall. Lastly there was a huge refugee crisis, where many ethnic Germans fled to Germany. 
3. Some of the aircraft in Great Battles can only be used on one map for Advanced Quick Mission Builder and pilot career mode, which may devalue the plane's worth in some people's eyes, especially the collector planes where you have to pay extra to purchase them. For some planes that cannot be changed because that was the only time and place during the European Theater where it fought. I believe the next batch of planes most likely to come after the I-153 are the La-7, Yak-3 and Tu-2, and the only places where they can be used for AQMB and pilot career will be on the Odessa map. Hence if they made two or three more late war Eastern front maps it would increase the value of these planes.
4. I may be a little repetitive here but I just want to say I don't think that Combat Flight Sims have ever covered the East Prussian Offensive, not even War Thunder. But my point here is that if a Konigsberg map were to be made it would give Great Battles an advantage over it's competitors like War Thunder and Aces High III. Also it would maintain interest in Great Battles until 1CGS is complete dedicated to their 'next project.' Yes, I've had people tell me in the past that doing these things  would take away money and resources, but I think that it is worth the risk simply because it would keep people interested and it would eventually pump in more money for their 'next project.'

[Jackfraser24]

Is it possible that Odessa will come with several planes, maybe the La-7 and Yak-3 in order to enhance it’s value?

[CountZero]

41 minutes ago, Jackfraser24 said:

Is it possible that Odessa will come with several planes, maybe the La-7 and Yak-3 in order to enhance it’s value?

They said that long time ago, Odessa, Yak-3, La-7, Ju-87D5, early yak and lagg, maybe 110... nothing new

[Jackfraser24]

8 hours ago, CountZero said:

They said that long time ago, Odessa, Yak-3, La-7, Ju-87D5, early yak and lagg, maybe 110... nothing new

Do you think they will make another collector map after Odessa? 

[Jackfraser24]

I think it is possible that there could be a 1945 Eastern Front collector map) in the works. Reason being is that because the IL-10 has been mentioned by the developers before that it is a possibility, and the IL-10 did not see service in the Odessa region or the Finnish Continuation War. My best guesses are

• Berlin
• Konigsberg
• Budapest/Balaton

Edited June 28, 2024 by Jackfraser24

[CountZero]

On 6/26/2024 at 10:57 PM, Jackfraser24 said:

Do you think they will make another collector map after Odessa? 

Yes , Murmansk

[ITAF_Rani]

Any hopes to see Bf 109 G10 in future ?

 

[CountZero]

I think more then 90%, 109G10 and 190A9 as collector airplanes, probably in 2026

[Jackfraser24]

14 hours ago, CountZero said:

I think more then 90%, 109G10 and 190A9 as collector airplanes, probably in 2026

I think a Battle of Berlin map could very well be in the works in the future. Here’s why I think so. 

• They seem to be saving certain aircraft like the Bf-109 G-10 and the Fw-190 A-9 for some reason. I’m not trying to sound too optimistic but this could indicate that another late war Eastern Front map maybe in the works. 
• They have mentioned that the IL-10 is a possibility. The IL-10 never fought in the Soviet-Finnish Continuation War nor in or around Odessa. This could also indicate that a Berlin map could also be made for Great Battles. 
• Odessa doesn’t seem like the perfect way to finish work on Great Battles because it’s still too early in the war to end it there. If they finished with Odessa we’d be missing out on the very late war battles on the Eastern Front like Berlin, Balaton and East Prussia. 

Edited June 30, 2024 by Jackfraser24

[BMA_FlyingShark]

7 hours ago, Jackfraser24 said:

They have mentioned that the IL-10 is a possibility.

If I'm not mistaken, that IL-10 is for the new project, Korea, not for this series.

 

Have a nice day.

 

[Jackfraser24]

1 hour ago, FlyingShark said:

If I'm not mistaken, that IL-10 is for the new project, Korea, not for this series.

 

Have a nice day.

 

I think that it has been confirmed for Korea, but the idea of having an IL-10 in Great Battles has been stated in a video that for Great Battles it is a possibility. 

"We already learned, in the previous video, that several new aircraft were planned and that list seems to have grown a bit. In addition to the Spitfire IXc, Ta152, and I-153 that are confirmed, we are also likely to see the Ju-87D-5, Yak-3, La-7 with the possibility that the IL-10, Tu-2 (which sounded like 22 in the discussion but in the comments appears to be the Tu-2), Fw190A-9 and Bf110F-2 as all being possible."

Link

https://stormbirds.blog/2024/01/21/il-2-developers-answer-community-questions-a-summary/ 

[BMA_FlyingShark]

2 hours ago, Jackfraser24 said:

I think that it has been confirmed for Korea, but the idea of having an IL-10 in Great Battles has been stated in a video that for Great Battles it is a possibility. 

All the better, in either way, I'd buy any plane they make us.

 

Have a nice day.

 

[Jackfraser24]

6 hours ago, FlyingShark said:

All the better, in either way, I'd buy any plane they make us.

 

Have a nice day.

 

Me too. 

[Jackfraser24]

1CGS could do a Battle of Britain as their next DLC after Korea if the Pacific War falls through. I believe that it would be a popular choice because the Battle of Britain is such a well known battle of WWII where the Luftwaffe tried to crush the Royal Air Force but failed to do so. 1CGS could reach an agreement with Team Fusion which involves promising that they won't go to North Africa in the future so they don't take away Team Fusion's sales.

Edited July 6, 2024 by Jackfraser24

[Enceladus828]

3 hours ago, Jackfraser24 said:

1CGS could do a Battle of Britain as their next DLC after Korea if the Pacific War falls through. I believe that it would be a popular choice because the Battle of Britain is such a well known battle of WWII where the Luftwaffe tried to crush the Royal Air Force but failed to do so. 1CGS could reach an agreement with Team Fusion which involves promising that they won't go to North Africa in the future so they don't take away Team Fusion's sales.

I’m not saying that 1CGS should never cover the Battle of Britain, what I’m saying is that with many places like the Pacific, Sicily, Tunisia and late war Eastern Front why do the Battle of Britain when it’s covered in great detail in CloD and the above can still be done? One thing that I think about is that it would have to be done so that you wouldn’t be jumping back to CloD to fly like the Wellington and the Italian birds,  and the Do-17 and Defiant would have to be flyable as well. In other words the planeset would have to be this:

Bf-109E-3

Bf-109E-4

Bf-110C-4

Ju-87B-2

Do-17

He-111H-2

Ju-88A-1

Ju-88C-1

CR.42

G.50

BR.20

Spitfire I

Spitfire II

Hurricane Mk. I

Defiant 

Blenheim Mk. IV

Beaufighter Mk. I

Wellington Mk. IA

 

In total: 18 flyable planes

[Jackfraser24]

1 hour ago, Enceladus828 said:

I’m not saying that 1CGS should never cover the Battle of Britain, what I’m saying is that with many places like the Pacific, Sicily, Tunisia and late war Eastern Front why do the Battle of Britain when it’s covered in great detail in CloD and the above can still be done?

Now that I think about it I’d say that if the Pacific fell through then they would go to somewhere in the Mediterranean basin like Italy, Sicily or Tunisia. 
 

They could do a Battle of Britain scenario for a 2030 release, which would coincide with the 90th anniversary of the Battle of Britain.

Edited July 6, 2024 by Jackfraser24

[Jackfraser24]

Would it be possible for 1CGS to work on several DLC's at the same time with their new series? And if they did would they redo Tank Crew and Flying Circus or would they just stick to WWII flight?

[CountZero]

1 hour ago, Jackfraser24 said:

Would it be possible for 1CGS to work on several DLC's at the same time with their new series? And if they did would they redo Tank Crew and Flying Circus or would they just stick to WWII flight?

anything is possible with enought money, here i doubt, 3rd partys will be making airplanes and maps for GB series while devs will focus on new IL-2 series how i see it

[Jackfraser24]

8 hours ago, CountZero said:

anything is possible with enought money, here i doubt, 3rd partys will be making airplanes and maps for GB series while devs will focus on new IL-2 series how i see it

It’s too early to tell what’s going to happen.

[Jackfraser24]

Here's where I think the new IL-2 Series is going to go after Korea.

• IL-2 Okinawa
• IL-2 Leyte Gulf
• IL-2 New Guinea
• IL-2 Midway
• IL-2 Monte Cassino
• IL-2 Sicily
• IL-2 Tunisia
• IL-2 Berlin
• IL-2 Bagration
• IL-2 Kursk
• IL-2 Stalingrad
• IL-2 Moscow
• IL-2 Benelux
• IL-2 Normandy
• IL-2 Dragoon
• IL-2 Britain
• IL-2 France
• IL-2 Finland

 

Edited July 11, 2024 by Jackfraser24

[Enceladus828]

8 hours ago, Jackfraser24 said:

• IL-2 Kursk
• IL-2 Stalingrad
• IL-2 Moscow
• IL-2 Normandy
• IL-2 Finland

I feel that if GBs installment were ported into the new game then all of these would be resold at like $90 US in one or two packages and contain new planes… Not subtle variants but aircraft like the Hs-123, IL-4 and SB. I’m just speculating on that so take it with a grain of salt; we’re many years away from that even happening.

Edited July 12, 2024 by Enceladus828

[Jackfraser24]

On 7/12/2024 at 3:48 PM, Enceladus828 said:

I feel that if GBs installment were ported into the new game then all of these would be resold at like $90 US in one or two packages and contain new planes… Not subtle variants but aircraft like the Hs-123, IL-4 and SB. I’m just speculating on that so take it with a grain of salt; we’re many years away from that even happening.

I guess I am a little too optimistic then.

 

[Jackfraser24]

IL-2 Okinawa

Why?

• If I am not mistaken it won’t be too time consuming to make compared to maps that consist largely of terrain. Instead it would mostly be ocean, and from my understanding that shouldn’t be too hard to model. 
• The Battle of Okinawa was a massive battle and of strategic importance. Lots of planes were used on thousands of fighter and bomber missions. 
• I think it would be a good idea to work backwards chronologically. This would be to make sure they do not run out of planes for future modules in case they wanted to do the Philippines, New Guinea or the Coral Sea in the future. 
• This module would act as a good historical learning tool for people interested in WWII by immersing themselves  in the virtual retelling of the bloody battle. In career mode they will be able to take part in lots of fighter and bomber sorties flew and fly kamikaze missions that took place. 

Japanese

• A6M5 Model 52a
• D3A2 Model 22
• G4M3 Model 34
• Ki-43-III
• N1K2-Ja

Allies

• F4U-1
• P-47 N-15
• P-51 D-20
• SB2C-4E
• TBM-3S

Edited July 17, 2024 by Jackfraser24

[Jackfraser24]

Here’s what modules I believe we will see.

• Okinawa 
• Mariana Islands
• New Guinea (the whole island)
• Coral Sea
• Monte Cassino
• Sicily
• Tunisia
• Berlin (if the new game can take entire  large metropolises)
• Bagration
• Kursk
• Stalingrad
• Moscow
• Northwest Europe (Normandy + Southern Britain + Benelux/Western Germany) 
• Southern France
• Britain
• Finland

[Jackfraser24]

IL-2 Great Battles Berlin map

 

Why it would be a good idea

• It would be a good way to wrap up development of Great Battles because chronologically speaking it was the final major battle of WWII in Europe.
• I know that there is not much point in future proofing but in years to come computers will be able to process large metropolises like Berlin. 
• This would be a good opportunity to add in aircraft I have listed in below including the He-162.
• This would also let planes such as the Bf-109 K-4, Fw-190 D-9 and Ta-152 H-1 have another place to fly in pilot career and AQMB, increasing their worth.
• Lots of aircraft were present at the Battle of Berlin (2,200+ German aircraft and 7,000+ Soviet aircraft).

Map description

• Would cover much of Brandenburg and Pomeran
• Would cover parts of Wartheland, Mecklenburg, Merseburg and Niederschlesien

Plane list

• Bf-109 G-10
• Fw-190 A-9
• He-162A
• IL-2 Model 1944
• IL-10
• Yak-9U

[BraveSirRobin]

On 7/19/2024 at 4:44 PM, Jackfraser24 said:

Here’s what modules I believe we will see.

• Okinawa 
• Mariana Islands
• New Guinea (the whole island)
• Coral Sea
• Monte Cassino
• Sicily
• Tunisia
• Berlin (if the new game can take entire  large metropolises)
• Bagration
• Kursk
• Stalingrad
• Moscow
• Northwest Europe (Normandy + Southern Britain + Benelux/Western Germany) 
• Southern France
• Britain
• Finland

The only way they are doing Finland is if someone from Finland buys the company and his wife does not kill him when he tells her that he wants to piss away their child’s college fund to recreate the air war between the Soviet Union and Finland.

[Jackfraser24]

On 6/3/2024 at 3:54 PM, LukeFF said:

Questions. How much more content should we expect from Great Battles? 
 

Is Odessa the start of a new mini-Great Battles series?
 

If so, should we expect a late war Eastern Front map? Something like Berlin, Balaton or East Prussia? 
 

Should we expect collector planes in the future such as the IL-2 1944 model, IL-10, Yak-9U, Bf-109 G-10, Fw-190 A-9, the He-111 H-20 and the Ju-188? 
 

Sorry, I don’t mean to pester. I just want to know what to expect from Great Battles in the future.

[Aapje]

1 hour ago, Jackfraser24 said:

Is Odessa the start of a new mini-Great Battles series?

 

Two independent teams are making a map, Odessa and Karelia. No other teams are making a map and 1CGS is working on Korea and the Pacific.

 

1 hour ago, Jackfraser24 said:

If so, should we expect a late war Eastern Front map? Something like Berlin, Balaton or East Prussia?

 

Not in the short term.

 

1 hour ago, Jackfraser24 said:

Should we expect collector planes in the future such as the IL-2 1944 model, IL-10, Yak-9U, Bf-109 G-10, Fw-190 A-9, the He-111 H-20 and the Ju-188? 

 

The Il-10 and Yak-9P will probably be released for the Korean module with the new engine. None of the others are in the plans that we know of.

[LukeFF]

Yes, the Yak-9P was a postwar design, and the Il-10 is being built per its Korean-era configuration. 

[Jackfraser24]

Hello everyone, I just want to let people know that I've started a new thread called IL2 Fourth Generation Discussion where people can discuss the future of the new series. You see in this thread I think I have covered just about everything for Great Battles and since their main focus has shifted towards Korea IL-2 Series I don't think there's much point in carrying on discussing the future of Great Battles as we know what is already coming. This thread has had a good run. I want to give a special thanks to everyone who contributed to this topic. 

[Nickkyboy99]

On 8/2/2024 at 4:26 PM, Aapje said:

Two independent teams are making a map, Odessa and Karelia. No other teams are making a map and 1CGS is working on Korea and the Pacific.

They said the Pacific is something they want to do after Korea, so I doubt they're working on it right now. Besides, if they do consider making the Pacific, it'll probably be in 5+ years

[Aapje]

7 minutes ago, Nickkyboy99 said:

They said the Pacific is something they want to do after Korea, so I doubt they're working on it right now. Besides, if they do consider making the Pacific, it'll probably be in 5+ years

 

I'm pretty sure that they are already doing research on the Pacific.

[LukeFF]

1 hour ago, Aapje said:

I'm pretty sure that they are already doing research on the Pacific.

 

Yes, and the particular geographic area is more or less already decided. 

[CzechTexan]

 

6 hours ago, LukeFF said:

 

Yes, and the particular geographic area is more or less already decided. 

Which is...??

 

There has been mention of Okinawa and I think that is a good choice.  If so, the map should also include the Sakishima Islands which had Japanese airfields that had to be suppressed by the Royal Navy Fleet Air Arm.

[BMA_FlyingShark]

11 minutes ago, CzechTexan said:

Which is...??

… just a little bit too soon to be revealed I think.

 

Have a nice day.

 

[Jackfraser24]

I recon that a third party module covering the North African campaign from June 1942-December 1942 would sell quite well and not interfere with Tobruk sales too much. 

 

Why it would be a good idea

• Many virtual pilots have expressed interest in 1CGS making a North African campaign, though I very much doubt that they are going to do so now. But if a third party developer can do it, I am confident that it would sell really well.
• We already have some of the planes in Great Battles that fought in the Western Desert campaign of the latter half of 1942 such as the Bf-109E, F, G-2, Mc.202, Hurricane Mk.II and Spitfire Mk.Vb, and some of these planes we already have have desert modifications and and all have skins. 
• It would also create a need for more collector planes to be made, a reason that does not exist in Great Battles for now. Planes like the CR.42, Re.2000, 2001 and 2002, Fiat G.50. 
• It would be a decent sized map and cover major battles such as the fall of Tobruk, the Battle of Gazala, the First Battle of El Alamein and Second Battle of El Alamein. Also the Battle of Mersa Matruh was largely a tank battle so that could open up opportunity for a future Tank Ops game. 
• IL-2 Tobruk covered the first two and a half years of the Western Desert campaign. If someone made a Western Desert campaign from June - December 1942, it will not really overlap with Tobruk pilot career mode.
• Any extra planes that are needed to fill in a career mode would have to be collector planes. That way it may kind of deter people from choosing it over IL-2 Tobruk. Planes like the Martin Baltimore, Vickers Wellington and the Bristol Beaufighter would all have to be collector planes.
• It would especially appeal to those whose ancestors fought in the Western Desert campaign, especially those who flew and fought as fighter pilots in 109s or Hurricanes or as bomber crews. 
• It would leave Team Fusion with two other major battles that occurred in North Africa - Tunisia and Operation Torch. They were large operations that occurred after or coincided with the end of the time period I am suggesting should be covered. 

[Jackfraser24]

IL-2 Courland Collector Map 10 Reasons Why

• The Courland Pocket or Courland Bridgehead was a significant military event on the Eastern Front and not well remembered in todays world. It was significant because first, it was a lengthy campaign that lasted from July 31st 1944 until May 8th 1945 and second it was among the last places where Axis forces in Europe surrendered.
• A Courland map has never been covered in combat flight simulator genre since IL-2 1946. And since IL-2 and Combat Pilot will be focusing on the Asia Pacific region for a while, I think it would be profitable for third party developers to do maps like this one while they are absent in the European Theatre of Operations. 
• Courland would offer a decent historically accurate pilot career mode. The Luftwaffe wings JG.51 and JG.54 were the only fighter force wing there, as well as close air support group SG.3, which would make it challenging to defend German troops in the Courland region against the VVS. 
• A map covering the Courland Pocket would also have to cover the East Prussian Campaign (January 13 - April 25 1945) and the Baltic offensive September 14 - November 24. All the more reason why Courland should be made. 
• The Courland map would include cities like Riga, Memel and Konigsberg, but in time when computer processing evolves they will be able to process cities like such without stuttering (I'm positive by the 2030s). 
• Career mode would bring reasons for planes to be made that are not already in the game. Nothing overly new but German planes such as the Bf-109 G-10,  Fw-190 A-9 and Fw-190 D-9 Late and Soviet planes such as the Tu-2S (assuming the Tu-2 is made for Odessa), Yak-9U and B-25 J-1. 
• The Courland map would also offer some naval air combat off the coast of Courland as there were naval battles off the Baltic coast between the Red Navy and the Kriegsmarine. There would be anti shipping missions available in pilot career and in advanced quick mission builder. 
• A Courland Map would appeal to crowds whose ancestors from both sides fought in the Courland Pocket. It may also appeal to players who live in the Baltic states, or at least those who live in western Latvia and Lithuania as well as Kaliningrad as it would bring along a sense of familiarity. 
• Third party developers creating a continuous and steady flow of would keep IL-2 Great Battles relevant and draw in some extra revenue for 1CGS so they can spend more on creating future projects.
• It would be an interesting map consisting of relatively large cities, farmland, forest, and sea. Lots of eye candy!