Great Battles Future

[kraut1]

4 hours ago, AEthelraedUnraed said:

It wouldn't be the greatest idea since:

1) The major areas are already covered in the Stalingrad and Kuban maps; much of the area in between except for eastern Ukraine was mostly the scene of a lightning-fast German advance in the summer of 1942, and then an even lightning-faster retreat in late 1942/1943. The major battles are mostly covered with the existing maps.

2) Most of the Battle of the Caucasus had pretty low-intensity air combat; the Soviets had relatively few aircraft in the area compared to other places, and the Germans likewise as well as very major supply issues. The major areas of air combat are, once again, already covered with Kuban and Stalingrad.

3) Any such map would need to be positively huge; let's say at least 4x the surface area of Normandy or Bodenplatte. Even though it has a much smaller population density (and hence less and smaller cities/villages you'd need to create), I don't think this is quite feasible.

Maybe it would be more effective to extend the Kuban map to west to include the whole Crimea. There the german advance in 1941 was not so fast and it was occupied until ca. April / May 1944 and there were some maritime operations by both sides in 41,42 and 44 as far as I know.

 

[AEthelraedUnraed]

5 minutes ago, kraut1 said:

Maybe it would be more effective to extend the Kuban map to west to include the whole Crimea. There the german advance in 1941 was not so fast and it was occupied until ca. April / May 1944 and there were some maritime operations by both sides in 41,42 and 44 as far as I know.

That would certainly be more effective. As you say, the Crimea was the scene of some large battles during much of the war; it would provide for an alternative for Moscow during the same time period, fill in the interim between Moscow and Stalingrad, as well as add a 1944 Eastern Front campaign.

[Jackfraser24]

Battle of Rhzev Feb/8/42 - Mar/31/43

 

Why

• One of the largest battles on the Eastern Front.
• Many planes and tanks were used.
• Lengthy series of battles. Opportunity for many pilot career missions.
• Many planes that were present in those battles are already in the game.
• Parts of the area of the battle are already in the game.
• If they didn’t worry about a plane list this time (forgive me) (see point 4) it could be done in a much faster time. Cities wouldn’t be as big or as complex to build as opposed to Cologne, Münster, Frankfurt, ect… on the Western Front.
• They could do other modules without planes on the Eastern Front like Kursk, Smolensk and Leningrad.

[Guest]

B17s and B24s.

[kraut1]

4 hours ago, Jackfraser24 said:

Battle of Rhzev Feb/8/42 - Mar/31/43

 

Why

• One of the largest battles on the Eastern Front.
• Many planes and tanks were used.
• Lengthy series of battles. Opportunity for many pilot career missions.
• Many planes that were present in those battles are already in the game.
• Parts of the area of the battle are already in the game.
• If they didn’t worry about a plane list this time (forgive me) (see point 4) it could be done in a much faster time. Cities wouldn’t be as big or as complex to build as opposed to Cologne, Münster, Frankfurt, ect… on the Western Front.
• They could do other modules without planes on the Eastern Front like Kursk, Smolensk and Leningrad.

yes, and Velikiye Luki: action from July 41  - Febr.44

-very early occupied by germans ca. end of July 41

-retaken in counter attack by russians short time later

-again occupied by germans in August41

-many battles in late 41 / 42

-after liberation of Velikiye Luku the town of Novosokolniki (on map) was hold by germans until ca. autumn ar winter 43

-battle of Novosokolniki

-battle of Nevel (on Map) early 44

(available in EMG by Vander)

[kraut1]

3 hours ago, Hetzer-JG51 said:

B17s and B24s.

Yes, would be great.

But for 8th Air Force  strategic bomber missions they have to extend with a trick the Rhineland map to the east coast of England to have at minimum 1 or 2 airfields.

In the Rhineland map there is already something modeled in direction of England, but it is outside the map limits.

And with the current game engine 4 engine bombers with 10 AI crew members - on my older computer with VR would work with max. 1 or 2 bombers.

(I have to use WT as a stop gap for these missions, my computer is too slow for DCS too.)

https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/78916-war-thunder/?do=findComment&comment=1266352

 

Edited April 20, 2023 by kraut1

[Jackfraser24]

Would a Manchuria or Burma module be feasible? If so would it be possible to cover the entire area of each region or would it have to be done at one segment at a time?

Edited June 8, 2023 by Jackfraser24

[BMA_FlyingShark]

54 minutes ago, Jackfraser24 said:

Would a Manchuria or Burma module be feasible? If so would it be possible to cover the entire area of each region or would it have to be done at one segment at a time?

I guess it'll be done at one segment at a time, if ever we get one of those theaters.

 

Have a nice day.

 

[Jackfraser24]

Will a module centred around a battle that took place in the Ukrainian SSR ever be made? I’m talking about battles like Crimea and Korsun (the latter being in Birds of Prey)? 
 

I don’t mean to come across as insensitive or disrespectful. Im generally just interested.

Edited June 9, 2023 by Jackfraser24

[AEthelraedUnraed]

11 hours ago, Jackfraser24 said:

Will a module centred around a battle that took place in the Ukrainian SSR ever be made? I’m talking about battles like Crimea and Korsun (the latter being in Birds of Prey)? 
 

I don’t mean to come across as insensitive or disrespectful. Im generally just interested.

You've asked the exact same thing many times already, including already these exact battles if I'm not mistaken. Is there any reason you think the answer would be different this time?  

[Jackfraser24]

6 hours ago, AEthelraedUnraed said:

You've asked the exact same thing many times already, including already these exact battles if I'm not mistaken. Is there any reason you think the answer would be different this time?  

My apologies.

[Jackfraser24]

On 6/9/2023 at 8:07 AM, AEthelraedUnraed said:

You've asked the exact same thing many times already, including already these exact battles if I'm not mistaken. Is there any reason you think the answer would be different this time?  

I really am sorry. I had a look and found the last time I asked the question. 

[AEthelraedUnraed]

21 hours ago, Jackfraser24 said:

I really am sorry. I had a look and found the last time I asked the question. 

You really don't have to be sorry! After all, there's nobody forcing me to read this thread, is there? As long as you abide by the rules and you're polite enough, there's nothing you should be sorry about.

 

My question was directed more towards yourself. You keep asking similar questions, while in pretty much all those cases you should have been able to figure out the answer yourself using the following tenets:

- Development cost of both terrain and aircraft. Simple terrain with already existing building types is cheaper, as are minor modifications on already existing planes.

- People need to know the battle. A well-known name sells.

- War. Enough aerial combat needs to have taken place there to warrant a campaign.

- Politics. No matter how much we all hate the current situation, I'd be surprised if it didn't have an impact on the market (it does on me....).

 

Beyond this, there's basically nothing anyone of us can possibly add that isn't pure opinion and speculation. If you're interested in the factual answer to your questions, you should be able to construct it yourself when taking into account the above points. That should save you a lot of time and effort.

[ITAF_Rani]

Probably we have to wait end of 2023 to have same disclosure about next project...

Best

Edited August 2, 2023 by ITAF_Rani

[Enceladus828]

I just don’t understand what the holdup is on the announcement; making a new game engine shouldn’t cause a holdup. 
 

The devs should just tell us if it will take place in the ETO or PTO (including South East Asia). If it’s in the ETO then it could be Sicily, Bagration, Barbarossa, or Vistula-Oder. If it’s in the PTO then it could be Guadalcanal, New Guinea, Philippines, Iwo Jima and Okinawa, or Burma.

[CountZero]

but its korea ?

 

8 hours ago, ITAF_Rani said:

Probably we have to wait end of 2023 to have same disclosure about next project...

Best

more like 2025

[Jackfraser24]

Forgive me if I have already suggested this, but I think there is a lot more they could do with their Moscow map. They could expand it northwards, east, west or south, they could model in the actual city of Moscow, or they could even add in extra versions of the map from Autumn 1941 to Spring 1943. I don’t mean to sound disrespectful to those that died in real life, but weren’t cities like Moscow and Gorky heavily bombed by the Luftwaffe? Wouldn’t that help enhance the pilot career experience? Whether you are raiding the cities flying He-111s or Ju-88s or being a hero of the Soviet Union by defending them?
 

I think they could really squeeze a lot more juice out of this lemon. 
 

Again, sorry if I have been disrespectful or repeating suggestions.

Edited August 6, 2023 by Jackfraser24

[BMA_FlyingShark]

7 hours ago, Jackfraser24 said:

they could model in the actual city of Moscow

Nice idea, Jack but they already stated in one of their interviews that the next theatre will be a less urbanised area.

So, modelling the city of Moscow, as much as I would love it, will probably not happen.

 

Have a nice day.

 

[352ndOscar]

How about just developing and distributing an SDK for map builders.  That alone would inject a lot of content into the sim and stimulate many folks….

[BMA_FlyingShark]

55 minutes ago, 352ndOscar said:

How about just developing and distributing an SDK for map builders.  That alone would inject a lot of content into the sim and stimulate many folks….

Well, they also said that if you know how to create content that you're more than welcome to contact them.

 

Have a nice day.

 

[Jackfraser24]

4 hours ago, FlyingShark said:

Nice idea, Jack but they already stated in one of their interviews that the next theatre will be a less urbanised area.

So, modelling the city of Moscow, as much as I would love it, will probably not happen.

 

Have a nice day.

 

Well then my best guess would be Finland. 

[AEthelraedUnraed]

3 hours ago, 352ndOscar said:

How about just developing and distributing an SDK for map builders.  That alone would inject a lot of content into the sim and stimulate many folks….

There's not really an SDK, but all tools are freely available except a way to export 3D models into the IL2 format. I doubt the Devs have any more advanced tools themselves. Here's a small experiment of mine, a Malta map:

 

19 minutes ago, Jackfraser24 said:

Well then my best guess would be Finland. 

There is a Finnish volunteer team working on a Finland map, see this thread:

This is a map that was posted there:

 

Apart from this map, I doubt we'll see much more. I'm beginning to suspect more and more that the next instalment isn't in the IL2 BoX series, and it remains to be seen whether the current content will be ported.

[Jackfraser24]

47 minutes ago, AEthelraedUnraed said:

There's not really an SDK, but all tools are freely available except a way to export 3D models into the IL2 format. I doubt the Devs have any more advanced tools themselves. Here's a small experiment of mine, a Malta map:

 

There is a Finnish volunteer team working on a Finland map, see this thread:

This is a map that was posted there:

 

Apart from this map, I doubt we'll see much more. I'm beginning to suspect more and more that the next instalment isn't in the IL2 BoX series, and it remains to be seen whether the current content will be ported.

That would be a real shame. I would have loved to have seen a

• Battle of Kursk
• Battle of Belarus (Operation Bagration)
• Battle of Finland (all of Finland, Karjala and Leningrad in one map)
• Battle of Crimea
• Battle of Bessarabia
• Battle of Berlin
• Battle of Balaton
• Battle of Malta
• Battle of Sicily
• Battle of Monte Cassino
• Battle of Manchuria
• Battle of Burma
• Battle of The Atlantic
• Battle of Korea

I'm not so fussed about North Africa or the Pacific because Team Fusion and Barbedwire Studios (respectively) are working on those theaters.

[Jackfraser24]

Little of topic bu i would like to say that we should be able to take off from any air field on all of the maps on Quick Mission Builder/Advanced QMB. Just like how it as in the original IL-2 1946.

[ITAF_Rani]

And if will be....BoB..?

 

Battle of Berlin

 

So...because Ta 152 will come......than it could fit with this theatre....

 

 

[CountZero]

31 minutes ago, ITAF_Rani said:

And if will be....BoB..?

 

Battle of Berlin

 

So...because Ta 152 will come......than it could fit with this theatre....

 

 

And to me decision they are making Ta-152 shows clearly they dont ever plan to do Berlin, as if you plan to do Berlin some time in future why would you make one of small number of airplanes types that can fit there as collectable, insted of saving it for main DLC. 

[BMA_FlyingShark]

33 minutes ago, CountZero said:

And to me decision they are making Ta-152 shows clearly they dont ever plan to do Berlin, as if you plan to do Berlin some time in future why would you make one of small number of airplanes types that can fit there as collectable, insted of saving it for main DLC. 

I think this too.

 

Have a nice day.

 

[Jackfraser24]

On 8/27/2023 at 10:30 PM, FlyingShark said:

I think this too.

 

Have a nice day.

 

Never say never. They might surprise us. I’m sure that they can scrap together a decent plane list.

 

Germans

• Bf-109 G-10
• Fw-190 A-9
• He-111 H-20/22
• He-162 A
• Ju-88 S

Soviets

• Il-10
• La-7
• Tu-2
• Yak-3
• Yak-9U/UT

[BMA_FlyingShark]

19 minutes ago, Jackfraser24 said:

Never say never. They might surprise us. I’m sure that they can scrap together a decent plane list.

 

Germans

• Bf-109 G-10
• Fw-190 A-9
• He-111 H-20/22
• He-162 A
• Ju-88 S

Soviets

• Il-10
• La-7
• Tu-2
• Yak-3
• Yak-9U/UT

Oh but although I don't think that'll happen, I'm all for it if it actually would.

 

Have a nice day.

 

[ITAF_Rani]

The real thing is that no one of us know nothing....no any real information has been told us since long time....

It 's a real great secret, if will be a whole new sim or simple an upgrade of the current engine along with a new theatre . 

[parkerc341]

On 8/31/2023 at 4:56 AM, ITAF_Rani said:

The real thing is that no one of us know nothing....no any real information has been told us since long time....

It 's a real great secret, if will be a whole new sim or simple an upgrade of the current engine along with a new theatre . 

As much as I love the IL-2 team, I must admit I am beginning to lose hope... I feel that taking this long to announce something as simple as a title or location of the game when they apparently already know where it will be is quite disheartening. No hard feelings of course to  the team, just me being melancholic I suppose.

[Jackfraser24]

IL-2 Battle of Crimea

 

Even though it would be seen as a controversial business move in most Westerner’s eyes, I think a Battle of Crimea could be very profitable in the end. 
 

Reasons

• Could be very popular in Russia and China. 
• Lots of military action happened in this region during WWII (no disrespects meant here)
• No really big cities to worry about building. Just Sevastopol. 
• It would help drive home the fact that Crimea historically been really hard to invade and easy to defend due to its one narrow isthmus and rugged interior.

 

German Planes

• Bf-109 E-4 (1941 pilot career phase)
• Bf-109 G-8 (1944 pilot career phase)
• He-111 H-2 (1941 pilot career phase)
• Ju-87 D-5 (1944 pilot career phase)
• Ju-88 A-14 (1944 pilot career phase)

 

Soviet Planes

• IL-2 model 1940
• IL-2 model 1944
• IL-4
• LaGG-3 series 4
• Yak-9D

Edited September 19, 2023 by Jackfraser24

[Guest deleted@83466]

Free Raaid Luke

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[BOO]

On 9/18/2023 at 10:07 PM, Jackfraser24 said:

IL-2 Battle of Crimea

 

Even though it would be seen as a controversial business move in most Westerner’s eyes, I think a Battle of Crimea could be very profitable in the end. 
 

Reasons

• Could be very popular in Russia and China. 
• Lots of military action happened in this region during WWII (no disrespects meant here)
• No really big cities to worry about building. Just Sevastopol. 
• It would help drive home the fact that Crimea historically been really hard to invade and easy to defend due to its one narrow isthmus and rugged interior.

 

German Planes

• Bf-109 E-4 (1941 pilot career phase)
• Bf-109 G-8 (1944 pilot career phase)
• He-111 H-2 (1941 pilot career phase)
• Ju-87 D-5 (1944 pilot career phase)
• Ju-88 A-14 (1944 pilot career phase)

 

Soviet Planes

• IL-2 model 1940
• IL-2 model 1944
• IL-4
• LaGG-3 series 4
• Yak-9D

I dont think a historical map from that period is necessarily automatically controversial though I can see why it could be. The greater commercial risk would be that it really offers nothing radically new over Kuban save for a few variant changes. 

[ITAF_Rani]

I don' t think Korea will be next ( and if so, there will not be my support)..

After the Clod last anouncement about next DLC in Europe 1942-43...there is in my opinion a possibility that Tunisia or South Italy 1943 could be again the next in the GB series..

Luke told that Italy was out from plans more than 1 year ago but was an old decision and probably all plans were mixed again.....so there is maybe another possibility..?

[CountZero]

6 hours ago, ITAF_Rani said:

I don' t think Korea will be next ( and if so, there will not be my support)..

After the Clod last anouncement about next DLC in Europe 1942-43...there is in my opinion a possibility that Tunisia or South Italy 1943 could be again the next in the GB series..

Luke told that Italy was out from plans more than 1 year ago but was an old decision and probably all plans were mixed again.....so there is maybe another possibility..?

i highly doubt they spend 1 year working on map and airplanes and then said ok lets do some other thing, in last year intervew and live stream they made it clear they pick few options and out of thouse pick one all agree to do... your dreaming if you still think they are doing Italy or Africa next, it maybe not Korea , there is few other stuff that fits to what they said, but its for sure not africa or italy, and i would be suprised if it does not have soviets on one side in one way or other.

[ITAF_Rani]

2 hours ago, CountZero said:

i highly doubt they spend 1 year working on map and airplanes and then said ok lets do some other thing, in last year intervew and live stream they made it clear they pick few options and out of thouse pick one all agree to do... your dreaming if you still think they are doing Italy or Africa next, it maybe not Korea , there is few other stuff that fits to what they said, but its for sure not africa or italy, and i would be suprised if it does not have soviets on one side in one way or other.

I agree for another East map...but I hope not Korea...

[Jackfraser24]

At this date what does anyone think of 1CGS starting a new IL-2 series? 
 

I think it seems more likely by the week because of a lack of transparency in their now much less frequent developer diary logs (in their defence though they don’t want to make promises they can’t keep (I.e. like drop tanks and Air Marshall)) and whenever they do announce plans for the future it is still very vague and obscure. But I’d say that if there was another Great Battles in the works we would have been informed of it by now. 
 

I’m not meaning any disrespect nor criticism towards them though. All I am saying is that  they’ve never actually specifically stated that they are definitely ending work on Great Battles once the last collector plane is added and bug fixed, or that they are going to massively revamp Great Battles. 

 

One thing I can be certain of though. Something big is in the works. Something bigger than anything before.

Edited October 6, 2023 by Jackfraser24

[BMA_FlyingShark]

If it's a new series all together, I won't be on board.
If they upgrade the engine or, make a new one but with all the content we have now included, I'd be willing to pay for that.

I'm not going to pay again for a small upgrade of what we have here, neither am I going to wait another 6 years to get a P-51 or a 109 G6-Late in any WWII combat sim.

If it's gonna be a new series, I'd simply stick to enjoying this series for what it is and maybe after some years I may change my mind.

 

Have a nice day.

 

[Jackfraser24]

20 hours ago, FlyingShark said:

If it's a new series all together, I won't be on board.
If they upgrade the engine or, make a new one but with all the content we have now included, I'd be willing to pay for that.

I'm not going to pay again for a small upgrade of what we have here, neither am I going to wait another 6 years to get a P-51 or a 109 G6-Late in any WWII combat sim.

If it's gonna be a new series, I'd simply stick to enjoying this series for what it is and maybe after some years I may change my mind.

 

Have a nice day.

 

I know what you’re saying. World War 6 will be over by the time we get all 300 aircraft that were from the original IL-2 series.

Edited October 7, 2023 by Jackfraser24