Great Battles Future

[CountZero]

1 hour ago, AEthelraedUnraed said:

Now that I'm re-listening to this, I'm not so sure anymore. Basically all they say is that they want to do all of them, but don't have a large enough team for that so they have to choose. The only one they're actually completely ruling out is Italy, basically because Rome is too large a city (which we know; same thing as with Berlin). Or am I overthinking this??

want to do them in future, players can make them, so thats then not what they selected for next DLC, so they are not next DLC, i look at it like that.

 

I doubt they gona anounce it this year, then january is their holidays season, so at best some time in february well know what next DLC is and that they are not making new game but improving this one.

[Jackfraser24]

13 hours ago, CountZero said:

want to do them in future, players can make them, so thats then not what they selected for next DLC, so they are not next DLC, i look at it like that.

 

I doubt they gona anounce it this year, then january is their holidays season, so at best some time in february well know what next DLC is and that they are not making new game but improving this one.

The guy who succeeded Jason Williams sure works in mysterious ways.

[Jackfraser24]

IL-2 Battle of Germany 

 

[Jackfraser24]

If 1CGS offered Team Fusion to take over and continue development on Great Battles, would they accept it? It has occurred to me that the game is 9+ years old and sometime within (I’d say) 3-4 years 1CGS is going to want to move on from Great Battles and do something else. If Team Fusion did, they could do all the DLCs that fans have wanted 1CGS to do like:

• Battle of Britain
• Battle of France
• Battle of Sicily
• Battle of Monte Cassino
• Battle of Tobruk
• Battle of El Alamein 
• Battle of Tunisia 
• Battle of Burma 
• Battle of Kursk (me, personally - I’m a fan, right?)
• The Pacific

[Redwo1f]

52 minutes ago, Jackfraser24 said:

If 1CGS offered Team Fusion to take over and continue development on Great Battles, would they accept it? It has occurred to me that the game is 9+ years old and sometime within (I’d say) 3-4 years 1CGS is going to want to move on from Great Battles and do something else. If Team Fusion did, they could do all the DLCs that fans have wanted 1CGS to do like:

• Battle of Britain
• Battle of France
• Battle of Sicily
• Battle of Monte Cassino
• Battle of Tobruk
• Battle of El Alamein 
• Battle of Tunisia 
• Battle of Burma 
• Battle of Kursk (me, personally - I’m a fan, right?)
• The Pacific

 

I highly doubt that would happen.

1 - They are a spare time, also have day-jobs crew

2 - Cliffs Of Dover is a very different engine than GBS

[simfan2015]

Battle of... VR? 

[DD_Arthur]

@Jack, whilst it was occurring to you that Team Fusion might take over Great Battles series, did it also occur to you that the pace of TF is absolutely glacial?

Indeed glaciers are now in retreat whilst TF wrestle with getting some clouds, some trees and VR into the limitless, untapped potential of the CLoD engine.

 

[Jackfraser24]

21 hours ago, DD_Arthur said:

@Jack, whilst it was occurring to you that Team Fusion might take over Great Battles series, did it also occur to you that the pace of TF is absolutely glacial?

Indeed glaciers are now in retreat whilst TF wrestle with getting some clouds, some trees and VR into the limitless, untapped potential of the CLoD engine.

 

Ugra Media might take over further development of the Great Battles series, right? There’s still a lot of great potential still left in the game, correct?

[simfan2015]

1 hour ago, Jackfraser24 said:

There’s still a lot of great potential still left in the game, correct?

IMHO The longer we have to wait for more information regarding ... the slimmer chances are they see it like that.

I am curious as wether IL-2 GB, and also TFS CloD, will keep going on the way it did !?

This (official) silence about what exactly is happening right now may unfortunately start to hurt sales ... if not already ...

 

[Jackfraser24]

5 hours ago, simfan2015 said:

IMHO The longer we have to wait for more information regarding ... the slimmer chances are they see it like that.

I am curious as wether IL-2 GB, and also TFS CloD, will keep going on the way it did !?

This (official) silence about what exactly is happening right now may unfortunately start to hurt sales ... if not already ...

 

Why? Forgive me with such a stupid question but my knowledge isn’t great with sales.

[simfan2015]

Sorry, with 'sales' I meant that if people get unsure or upset about future direction of e.g. IL-2 GB they might postpone buying into it or collect new DLC content. 

[Jackfraser24]

2 hours ago, simfan2015 said:

Sorry, with 'sales' I meant that if people get unsure or upset about future direction of e.g. IL-2 GB they might postpone buying into it or collect new DLC content. 

Got what you’re saying! Thanks.

[Jackfraser24]

On 11/22/2022 at 8:23 AM, ww2fighter20 said:

For late war there are 3 options for the hints given.

 

Back in October in the Enigma interview the devs mentioned 4 engine bombers might be considered in the next project (likely as ai only), this could very well be an lancaster which could also introduce radar equipted night fighters which would surely be considered as something new, to my memory even IL2 1946 didn't had them.

 

Courland/East Prussia could give us torpedo bombers (A20G/IL-4) and float planes (Ar-196) from seaplane bases and launched from german ships, disadvantage would be no very late war german aircraft like Ta152 and He162 but still enough to fill 5 german aircraft (Bf109G10/Fw190A9/Ar196/Hs129B3/Ju87D5), the map has an large coastline but is also quite flat, there are some large cities like Danzig/Koningsberg but still smaller then Brussels on Rheinland map, career could start in summer of 1944 till end of ww2, RAF also bombed Koningsberg with 4 engine bombers in summer 1944, not sure if nightfighters were active on map.

 

2 options for operations around Berlin, both could include german night fighters.

Berlin is best placed just outside of Northern or Southern border of the map since many german airfields were located here for the last months and the map could be extended west of Berlin without requiring Berlin itself.

 

North of Berlin there is not much in form of cities so map could be extended westwards which could include western allied airfields for the last weeks of the war and soviet airfields from early 1945, airfields for both Ta152/He162 would be on the map, map would be mostly flat and might include coastline depending on how far the map goes north.

 

South of Berlin there are more larger cities like Dresden/Leipzig/Prague but all smaller then Brussels on Rheinland map, this would mean less chance map is extended westwards far enough to include western allied airfields, Ta152 could be included but He162 could not, career could even include the Prague Offensive which happend after fall of Berlin, this would also include the mountainrange at the german/czech border which is quite picturesque.

I also think a Battle of Berlin is most likely but without Berlin being in the picture itself, much like how IL-2 Battle of Moscow was done. But I think it will be to the east of Berlin, covering the area between Berlin and Warsaw and be centred around the Vistula - Oder Offensive. 

 

The following aircraft can be recycled from Normandy and Bodenplatte and be reused in Pilot Career.

 

• Ar-234
• Bf-109 G-6 Late
• Bf-109 G-14
• Bf-109 K-4
• Fw-190 A-6
• Fw-190 A-8
• Fw-190 D-9
• Ju-88 C-6a
• Me-262
• Me-410

(So all of them)

 

The following aircraft may include these standard, collector and future collector planes, though maybe not all of them.

 

Germans (standard and collector planes that come initially.) 

• Bf-109 G-10
• Fw-190 A-9
• He-162 A-1/2
• Ju-188 A/E
• Ta-152 H-0/1

Soviets

• IL-2 model 1944
• La-7
• P-63 C-5 King Cobra 
• Yak-3
• Yak-9U

German collector planes later down the track.

• Bf-109 G-10AS
• Bf-109 G-14AS
• Bf-110 G-4
• Do-217
• He-111 H-20/22
• He-219
• Ju-88 S 
• Ju-388
• Me-163
• Ta-154

Soviet collector planes

• A-20G
• IL-4
• IL-10
• La-5F
• P-39 Q-1/10
• Pe-2 (359 series)
• Pe-3
• Tu-2
• Yak-9B
• Yak-9K
• Yak-9M

(I may have done all this once before. But what can I say other than I love to make lists.)

 

Cheers!!!

[BMA_FlyingShark]

14 minutes ago, Jackfraser24 said:

I love to make lists.

We've noticed.

 

Have a nice day.

 

[Enceladus828]

On 12/12/2022 at 2:32 AM, Jackfraser24 said:

Ugra Media might take over further development of the Great Battles series, right? There’s still a lot of great potential still left in the game, correct?

Lol, no. Ugra Media makes content for other games like DCS, so they would have to abandon making content for these other games if they took over IL-2 GBs. And seriously, a 3rd-party team running the show and making everything in-house?! It took Ugra just over a year to make the U-2VS, a year and a half to make the C-47 cockpit and update the external model, over a year and a half to make the Sopwith Snipe, and takes 2 years to make a ~100X100km map which for them is pretty much like typing up or translating a handwritten document.

 

Having Ugra Media taking over the game would get pretty much nowhere.

 

1 hour ago, Jackfraser24 said:

IL-10

Doing a quick search, the IL-10 first saw action on April 15th 1945, so other planes would take precedence over it.

[Jackfraser24]

1 minute ago, Enceladus said:

Lol, no. Ugra Media makes content for other games like DCS, so they would have to abandon making content for these other games if they took over IL-2 GBs. And seriously, a 3rd-party team running the show and making everything in-house?! It took Ugra just over a year to make the U-2VS, a year and a half to make the C-47 cockpit and update the external model, over a year and a half to make the Sopwith Snipe, and takes 2 years to make a ~100X100km map which for them is pretty much like typing up or translating a handwritten document.

 

Having Ugra Media taking over the game would get pretty much nowhere.

 

Doing a quick search, the IL-10 first saw action on April 15th 1945, so other planes would take precedence over it.

What do you think will happen? Will they ditch Great Battles after the next module or have they already started working on the next IL-2 generation?

[Jackfraser24]

36 minutes ago, Jackfraser24 said:

What do you think will happen? Will they ditch Great Battles after the next module or have they already started working on the next IL-2 generation?

Oh well. This is more painful than crucifixion making us wait this long for the next module to be announced!

[Bonnot]

37 minutes ago, Jackfraser24 said:

ditch Great Battles after the next module

 

.....Optimism : there will be a "next module".........?

[Jackfraser24]

6 minutes ago, Bonnot said:

 

.....Optimism : there will be a "next module".........?

Bonnot, you are my morphine!!!

[Bonnot]

@Jackfraser24

 

........Hope it is only for the good effects ?

[Jackfraser24]

Should we expect for a potential Vistula Oder Offensive module to take as long as Bodenplatte or Normandy?

 

Also, there is still a lot of potential left in Great Battles to be exploited. The Med. The Pacific. Burma. Finland. Carriers. Four engined bombers. I’d imagine it would be a matter of how much of that potential they can exploit.

Edited December 14, 2022 by Jackfraser24

[Jackfraser24]

Is the reason why IL-2 Battle of Sicily or Monte Cassino are never going to be made is because the cities would be too hard to model? Because the streets are too narrow to make?

[ITAF_Rani]

6 hours ago, Jackfraser24 said:

Is the reason why IL-2 Battle of Sicily or Monte Cassino are never going to be made is because the cities would be too hard to model? Because the streets are too narrow to make?

Also to me sounds strange?

I prefer to have good flying italian planes than good streets, cities,roads modeled.

Edited December 15, 2022 by ITAF_Rani

[Bonnot]

 

Even better if we can get both 50/50 ......

[Jackfraser24]

On 11/23/2022 at 4:20 AM, CountZero said:

Yes no Malta, 

 

 

from 46:26min  , so from question and answer what they say there, next DLC is not Malta, France, Italy, Africa, Balaton... they wont to do it, so that then means its not next DLC. Its same as with PTO, they wont to do it in future, so that means its not next DLC. They can say anything that ppl wont to here that they wont to do it in future, like its with PTO for last 5-6 years, so ppl buy next DLC thinking next one is what they wont, but if next DLC is some poor selected area and dont sell well, there is no future DLC. So its realy interesting what is next DLC.

From what I’ve got from this the reason why they can’t do these things right now is because they don’t have the staff or the historical information necessary to do things like France, Balaton, Italy, Malta and Sicily. But if they could they would. Correct?

 

[CountZero]

15 hours ago, Jackfraser24 said:

From what I’ve got from this the reason why they can’t do these things right now is because they don’t have the staff or the historical information necessary to do things like France, Balaton, Italy, Malta and Sicily. But if they could they would. Correct?

 

From all the things we know from their talks, posts videos next new project is Korea, how it will look who knows will it still have 10 airplanes 5v5, no AI or all airplanes in war or what timeline... but it sure aint gona have B-29s and carriers from what was said, ok maybe AI B-29 as they did say in enigma video that 4 engine airplane is posible in next project but not planed.

 

Next DLC for this game, wont happend, you can expect only collector airplanes and user made maps, will maps be free or buyable who knows. Only map we can guess is being build is 512x512 Finland map. Will they stick to if airplane cant be used in historical SP on maps we have it cant be added,  who knows maybe that also changes, maybe we get Yak-3s and La-7s then, even without map for them...

 

So its WW1, WW2, Tanks, in GB for next few years untill PTO is added to new game, GB will probably not be suported as mutch as now, as they will focus on new game that will start with Korea, and then PTO if it dont fail on first step... 

 

Reading that JW interview again, after last DD and clear tensions i noticed this, that makes it clear to me it is Korea as new project for new game, and it seams Jason was not given green light to do more content for this game in parallel:

I wanted to ride out the rest of 2022 and keep working on the Great Battles series after Normandy and make a deal with 1CGS to continue, even if the rest of the core team went on to do some other era, theater or engine. Sadly, that did not happen.

 

 

Edited December 30, 2022 by CountZero

[Bonnot]

21 minutes ago, CountZero said:

Sadly,

 

That says all .....???

Edited December 30, 2022 by Bonnot

[Jackfraser24]

Now this might be chucked into another thread but there’s a reason why my username is Jackfraser24. 

• I was an autistic and naive 15 year old boy when I joined and I didn’t closely pay attention to what was said in the sign up page. Meaning I didn’t know this was going to be my username. 

Maybe I should have been AustisticPilot something something. Play on the word autopilot but…

…yeah, no. I wouldn’t 

Edited January 13, 2023 by Jackfraser24

[CountZero]

8 hours ago, Jackfraser24 said:

Now this might be chucked into another thread but there’s a reason why my username is Jackfraser24. 

• I was an autistic and naive 15 year old boy when I joined and I didn’t closely pay attention to what was said in the sign up page. Meaning I didn’t know this was going to be my username. 

Maybe I should have been AustisticPilot something something. Play on the word autopilot but…

…yeah, no. I wouldn’t 

so as young air sim player, and who wonts all airplanes in game, how come your not taken away by WarThunder like other young players, game that have all thouse airplanes you keep listing this game needs. Or you play that but wont all thouse airplanes here also ?

 

[Jackfraser24]

10 hours ago, CountZero said:

so as young air sim player, and who wonts all airplanes in game, how come your not taken away by WarThunder like other young players, game that have all thouse airplanes you keep listing this game needs. Or you play that but wont all thouse airplanes here also ?

 

I think IL-2 is way better. 1CGS seems to put a lot more time and effort into its planes and tanks. Look, I might be wrong though. 
 

I wonder if Great Battles will end up having as many planes and tanks as 1946.

Edited January 13, 2023 by Jackfraser24

[ITAF_Rani]

Last GB DLC,  could be Vezprem/Balaton 1945?

 

Edited January 16, 2023 by ITAF_Rani

[Jackfraser24]

On 12/31/2022 at 7:02 AM, CountZero said:

From all the things we know from their talks, posts videos next new project is Korea, how it will look who knows will it still have 10 airplanes 5v5, no AI or all airplanes in war or what timeline... but it sure aint gona have B-29s and carriers from what was said, ok maybe AI B-29 as they did say in enigma video that 4 engine airplane is posible in next project but not planed.

 

Next DLC for this game, wont happend, you can expect only collector airplanes and user made maps, will maps be free or buyable who knows. Only map we can guess is being build is 512x512 Finland map. Will they stick to if airplane cant be used in historical SP on maps we have it cant be added,  who knows maybe that also changes, maybe we get Yak-3s and La-7s then, even without map for them...

 

So its WW1, WW2, Tanks, in GB for next few years untill PTO is added to new game, GB will probably not be suported as mutch as now, as they will focus on new game that will start with Korea, and then PTO if it dont fail on first step... 

 

Reading that JW interview again, after last DD and clear tensions i noticed this, that makes it clear to me it is Korea as new project for new game, and it seams Jason was not given green light to do more content for this game in parallel:

I wanted to ride out the rest of 2022 and keep working on the Great Battles series after Normandy and make a deal with 1CGS to continue, even if the rest of the core team went on to do some other era, theater or engine. Sadly, that did not happen.

 

 

When 1CGS said they weren’t going to do the Med, did they mean never ever or did they just mean the next one wasn’t going to be the Med?

Just now, Jackfraser24 said:

When 1CGS said they weren’t going to do the Med, did they mean never ever or did they just mean the next one wasn’t going to be the Med?

Look. Sorry to bother you, especially if you have no notion of what may happen next.

[Bonnot]

On 1/13/2023 at 8:10 PM, Jackfraser24 said:

I wonder if Great Battles will end up having as many planes and tanks as 1946.

 

At the same rate of expansion we know since 2011, many today players will be 90 yo and certainly some Centennial ......?

[Jackfraser24]

Eastern Front Plane List Ideas 

 

Battle of Kursk

 

Soviets

• A-20G
• IL-2 3M (Kuban has the IL-2 M)
• La-5F (if it’s not a collector plane)
• LaGG-3 series 69
• Yak-9K

Axis

• Do-217 K-1
• Fw-190 A-4
• He-111 H-11
• Ju-87 D-5
• Ju-88 A-5

 

Battle of Belarus (Operation Bagration)

 

Soviets

• IL-2 model 1944
• IL-4
• P-39Q
• Pe-2 series 359
• Yak-9D

Axis

• Do-217 
• Bf-109 G-5
• He-177 A
• Ju-87 G-2
• Ju-88 A-14

 

Battle of Balaton

 

Soviets

• A-20C
• A-20G
• La-7FN
• P-63 C-5
• Yak-9M

Axis

• Bf-109 G-8
• Bf-110 G-4
• He-111 H-20
• Ju-88 S-1
• Me-210 Ca-1

 

Battle of Pomerania (Vistula-Oder Offensive)

 

Soviets

• IL-10
• La-7
• Tu-2
• Yak-3
• Yak 9U

Germans

• Bf-109 G-10
• Fw-190 A-9
• He-162 A
• Ju-188 A/E
• Ta-152 H

Edited February 11, 2023 by Jackfraser24

[CountZero]

Youll have to create new topic, as this game wont be getting any more DLCs, to recomend what airplanes next game should have, im guessing it will be using same forums.

[BMA_FlyingShark]

I know we can't have them all but here or in the next project, there's some interesting planes in Jack's lists.

 

Have a nice day.

 

[ITAF_Rani]

Hope same info about next project DLC in a couple of months...

[CountZero]

4 hours ago, ITAF_Rani said:

Hope same info about next project DLC in a couple of months...

next project is not DLC its new game not compatable with this game, no more DLCs for this game, i think after half a year it should be obvious to anyone they are working on new game using same game engine they plan to update for it. You do not wait half a year + to anounce next DLC for this game after so many years, only things we gona see for this game is more 109s ?

 

[1PL-Husar-1Esk]

They said they don't have nothing to show yet but as they announced other dlc in the past that was not a problem. Clear information would be enough, do no need fancy graphics or videos.

[Jackfraser24]

On 2/24/2023 at 4:55 AM, CountZero said:

next project is not DLC its new game not compatable with this game, no more DLCs for this game, i think after half a year it should be obvious to anyone they are working on new game using same game engine they plan to update for it. You do not wait half a year + to anounce next DLC for this game after so many years, only things we gona see for this game is more 109s ?

 

I would have to disagree because, firstly, they are still making content for the game with the Bf-109 G-6AS and a contemporary allied fighter (I think the La-5F), two unannounced early war planes and I'd say they'd have to make Flying Circus Vol.III in order to complete the Western Front map, or otherwise it would just look incomplete and a bit tacky. I believe that they would have to make a career mode for Vol.I and Tank Crew as they are more expensive than the mainstream Great Battles series, about $74 USD and compared to Stalingrad, Moscow and Kuban ($43 USD each), Bodenplatte ($46 USD) and Normandy ($62 USD), and not having a career mode gave them both a source of criticism. Secondly, they most likely would have straight told us that they were going to stop developing Great Battles and move onto the next generation of IL-2 once they have finished Flying Circus Vol.III months ago. Look, I maybe dead wrong and you maybe 100% right but this is why I believe they are not moving on to something completely different yet. I don't think the jar has been scraped clean and that Great Battles still has a lot of potential left and enough for them to keep going for at least ten years.

Edited February 26, 2023 by Jackfraser24