Great Battles Future

[CountZero]

35 minutes ago, Jackfraser24 said:

I think Italy and Sicily is out of the question unfortunately because it would be too difficult to model buildings on very narrow streets. What would it take to do it though?

 

That leaves 

• Malta
• Finland 
• Kursk
• Balaton
• Map east of Berlin (to bad Berlin is too big to be modelled)
• Manchuria (maybe, you never know)
• Atlantic (? Possibly…)
• Ireland (just kidding. But still, with a population of nearly 3 million during the Big One there were no major cities other than Dublin, Belfast and Cork). Beautiful country.

Malta, Balaton and Africa is also ruled out with Italy in video

[Jackfraser24]

38 minutes ago, CountZero said:

Malta, Balaton and Africa is also ruled out with Italy in video

Finland

[CountZero]

9 minutes ago, Jackfraser24 said:

Finland

 

https://www.kanttorinkone.com/ler3/karelia.html

Edited November 10, 2022 by CountZero

[Guest deleted@83466]

 

[Jackfraser24]

If 1CGS is going to stop developing Great Battles and move onto something else, could a major third party development team in the likes of Team Fusion take over development? 
 

If so, would there be a contract that they would have to sign saying that there would have to be rules to what they can make and alter (I.e skin textures, plane accessories (I.e drop tanks), new modules (Battle of…) and collector planes/vehicles) or enhance (physics, damage modelling, flight modelling)?

Would a fraction of their profits have to go to 1CGS since they still own the rights to Great Battles?
 

And would North Africa still be out of the question? 

 

Thanks.

[BOO]

3 hours ago, Jackfraser24 said:

If 1CGS is going to stop developing Great Battles and move onto something else, could a major third party development team in the likes of Team Fusion take over development? 
 

If so, would there be a contract that they would have to sign saying that there would have to be rules to what they can make and alter (I.e skin textures, plane accessories (I.e drop tanks), new modules (Battle of…) and collector planes/vehicles) or enhance (physics, damage modelling, flight modelling)?

Would a fraction of their profits have to go to 1CGS since they still own the rights to Great Battles?
 

And would North Africa still be out of the question? 

 

Thanks.

If and it’s still an if gb ends I doubt it’ll be put up for grabs. There’s years of sales still in it even as a depreciated product.  Why  develop it further and make it a detraction from new stuff when you can control its profile and still make a little from it? It’ll be a good few years before anything new could match the scope and potentially still never cover the areas gb does. 
 

[Jackfraser24]

15 minutes ago, BOO said:

If and it’s still an if gb ends I doubt it’ll be put up for grabs. There’s years of sales still in it even as a depreciated product.  Why  develop it further and make it a detraction from new stuff when you can control its profile and still make a little from it? It’ll be a good few years before anything new could match the scope and potentially still never cover the areas gb does. 
 

Thank goodness. Shamrockonfive had me a bit worried there. 

[Crocogator]

 

 

On 10/12/2022 at 9:55 PM, AEthelraedUnraed said:

What major cities are there in Sicily, exactly? The biggest city of the Rheinland map is Brussels, with a population (at the time) of around 1 million. There's nothing even close to that in southern Italy.

 

 

Palermo, which was some 400,000 people. Catania was also large.

Edited November 19, 2022 by Crocogator

[Bonnot]

Also Sicily and south Italia requires a different -mediterranean- architecture : they can no longer put caracteristiques northern Europe  features like those used in Normandy, I mean specifically gabbles , trunnions, slate roofs......  this without speaking of ubiquitous green grass covering the city streets ?

[AEthelraedUnraed]

1 hour ago, Crocogator said:

Palermo, which was some 400,000 people. Catania was also large.

As I said, not even close to the population of Brussels

 

48 minutes ago, Bonnot said:

Also Sicily and south Italia requires a different -mediterranean- architecture : they can no longer put caracteristiques northern Europe  features like those used in Normandy, I mean specifically gabbles , trunnions, slate roofs......  this without speaking of ubiquitous green grass covering the city streets ?

That's a good point though, and based on the stream, the main reason they're not doing a Mediterranean module. 

[CountZero]

considering what they said about next DLC it will be interesting to see what they picked at the end, ill be realy disapointed if it ends up being another flat map in east front lol

[Bonnot]

One can also consider that, by the end of 1944, most cities in mainland Europe had suffered heavy bombing -some for 3 years- and were largely reduced to rubbles....

not all on the scale of Berlin or Hamburg, but many were destroyed above 50%, even in the end of the war and in allied territory,  like Le Havre :  75%+   by ALLIED bombing in 1945 !

Italy made no exception and Sicily or Anzio sector got Bombing AND ground combat shelling + navy big guns support ....

So, reusing parts of Stalingrad excellent/macabre  representation could be an option ?

[Jackfraser24]

So what do you think will be next at this stage? The clues given to us are that 

• there will be areas with no large metropolises or areas with high densities of buildings.
• there will be piston powered planes.
• it won’t be the Pacific.

My best guess would be

• Burma (Southeast Asia, not the Pacific)
• Somewhere on the Soviet-Finnish Front
• Kursk (I’ve said this too much but it was still a great battle)
• Anywhere in China (Flying Tigers)
• Korea

 

So what do you think at this stage?

Edited November 21, 2022 by Jackfraser24

[CountZero]

2 hours ago, Jackfraser24 said:

So what do you think will be next at this stage? The clues given to us are that 

• there will be areas with no large metropolises or areas with high densities of buildings.
• there will be piston powered planes.
• it won’t be the Pacific.

My best guess would be

• Burma (Southeast Asia, not the Pacific)
• Somewhere on the Soviet-Finnish Front
• Kursk (I’ve said this too much but it was still a great battle)
• Anywhere in China (Flying Tigers)
• Korea

 

So what do you think at this stage?

It wont be soviet finland war as player map makers are making map for it, and acrding  last info from meta it seam like map is already in last phases of progress, so why would devs make onother one and DLC for it. They will probably use that map to justifie new collector airplanes that fit that map after it get added to game.

 

Also for Kursk we already have BoProhorovka map, and most imortantly all important airplanes that fight there are already in game , so its not gona be Kursk.

 

It would be strange to do Korea, and no WW2 DLC for 3 years, thats same as they decided insted FC II to make WW2 DLC for WW1 players. Its not same war, not same ppl are interested in it, and to call jet vs jet DLC prop one would be strech.

 

So do they consider CBI as part of PTO is question, i think they do, and if no why would you do that with less known japan airplanes and not make Zero in Solomons or New guinea, more known areas and no need for carriers. Again it would be like starting first west front DLC with anything els then Mustangs, Spitfiers and 109K4s , 190D9 and so on... So i doubt its anything there as it makes no sence to start first asian DLC without giving it best chance, as it succes will dictate if youll have 2nd asian DLC with zeros and american navy or marine airlanes.

 

 

Edited November 21, 2022 by CountZero

[simfan2015]

FWIW Everyone keeps predicting ... Asian theatres ... PTO, Korea ... !???

Why would a, now in fact completely Russian company, even consider this ?

What about their home market ... wars Russia was never officially involved in ?

IMHO it would make little sense.

[DD_Crash]

Hopefully we will know soon or even "two weeks, be sure"

[CountZero]

1 hour ago, simfan2015 said:

FWIW Everyone keeps predicting ... Asian theatres ... PTO, Korea ... !???

Why would a, now in fact completely Russian company, even consider this ?

What about their home market ... wars Russia was never officially involved in ?

IMHO it would make little sense.

Only thing on east front you can fined 10 airplanes for is Poland 45 , with map area betwenn big citys like Berlin and Warsaw. 

But then everything they were saying how they plan something new and exciting makes no sence for that kined of DLC that just repetes what we have with another flat boring map and nothing new in planset exept beter performing type of airplanes we already saw.

 

So what is next DLC then lol , doubt we gona now before next year.

[simfan2015]

My uneducated guess would be they would again feature the European war theatres, but with an upgraded engine and maybe update existing planeset to go with it. It all happened before, why would it not make sense to do it again with some new tech and maps !? 

 

[CountZero]

17 minutes ago, simfan2015 said:

My uneducated guess would be they would again feature the European war theatres, but with an upgraded engine and maybe update existing planeset to go with it. It all happened before, why would it not make sense to do it again with some new tech and maps !? 

 

would make sence, maybe when they say something new to team they dont mean airplane types, maps or ww2 tech. Then its logical another east front.

[FliegerAD]

4 hours ago, CountZero said:

Only thing on east front you can fined 10 airplanes for is Poland 45 , with map area betwenn big citys like Berlin and Warsaw. 

But then everything they were saying how they plan something new and exciting makes no sence for that kined of DLC that just repetes what we have with another flat boring map and nothing new in planset exept beter performing type of airplanes we already saw.

 

There is also the Lake Balaton area, the location of the last German offensive, including the last major Luftwaffe attack.

Courland would be another option, though less likely than the other two.

 

People get way too excited about the supposedly beautiful landscape, as if this was not in the eye of the beholder.

Same with the supposed new stuff; that could mean anything.

 

I mean, it could technically be Norway: beautiful landscape, unlike anything we had before, and totally new plaes including Hellcat, Corsair and Beaufighter.

Of course, that is highly unlikely but it would check all the marks, which shows how little we actually know.

[CountZero]

When asked if Italy is posible, loft said no and as examples of what would be good to do but they dont plan he mentioned Balaton malta africa and so on... so its not Balaton.

 

For Norway you would need carriers, that they said is no go.

 

There was also nice map of Slovakia in Il-2 1946, dont remenber if it was made by moders or just improved, front over it is good for late in war, it was relativly small and you could have missing G10 A9 Yak-3s La-7s and so on over it, its not urban... and it looked interesting with all hilly tarain. Yes it could also be Courland. 

Edited November 21, 2022 by CountZero

[Jackfraser24]

3 minutes ago, FliegerAD said:

 

There is also the Lake Balaton area, the location of the last German offensive, including the last major Luftwaffe attack.

Courland would be another option, though less likely than the other two.

 

People get way too excited about the supposedly beautiful landscape, as if this was not in the eye of the beholder.

Same with the supposed new stuff; that could mean anything.

 

I mean, it could technically be Norway: beautiful landscape, unlike anything we had before, and totally new plaes including Hellcat, Corsair and Beaufighter.

Of course, that is highly unlikely but it would check all the marks, which shows how little we actually know.

Unfortunately, they’re not going to do Balaton. They said in the last pod cast.

 

Norway? Maybe. I know the Germans invaded it in 1940 and held on to it until Germany surrendered, but there were numerous aerial operations involving sending fighters and bombers to Norway from Britain, such as Operation Tungsten and Operation Mascot which were carried out in order to sink or damage the Tirpitz beyond repair.

[FliegerAD]

Ah, I missed that Balaton was ruled out. Too bad. One could do Norway without carriers but it would only be half the fun.

 

The "Poland"-area... people sometimes really forget the devs are Russian. In Russian historiography the Battle of Seelow Heights, a proxy for the battle of Berlin, is important. If Berlin itself is ruled out, and they want to do the big thing... that's where they'd go.

[Jackfraser24]

25 minutes ago, CountZero said:

When asked if Italy is posible, loft said no and as examples of what would be good to do but they dont plan he mentioned Balaton malta africa and so on... so its not Balaton.

 

For Norway you would need carriers, that they said is no go.

 

There was also nice map of Slovakia in Il-2 1946, dont remenber if it was made by moders or just improved, front over it is good for late in war, it was relativly small and you could have missing G10 A9 Yak-3s La-7s and so on over it, its not urban... and it looked interesting with all hilly tarain. Yes it could also be Courland. 

I think Slovakia is a good idea.

 

Axis

• Bf-109 G-10
• Fw-190 A-9
• He-111 H-22
• Ju-87 D-5
• Ju-188 A-2

Soviets

• IL-2 model 1944
• La-7
• Tu-2
• Yak-3
• Yak-9U

[Eisenfaustus]

44 minutes ago, Jackfraser24 said:

I think Slovakia is a good idea.

 

Axis

• Bf-109 G-10
• Fw-190 A-9
• He-111 H-22
• Ju-87 D-5
• Ju-188 A-2

Soviets

• IL-2 model 1944
• La-7
• Tu-2
• Yak-3
• Yak-9U

Don’t know if the map is feasible but I really like that selection of planes. Only lose the He-111 for a Ta-152 H-1. Two multicrew bombers for the Lw in one DLC isn’t realistic workload wise. 
 

7 hours ago, CountZero said:

It wont be soviet finland war as player map makers are making map for it, and acrding  last info from meta it seam like map is already in last phases of progress, so why would devs make onother one and DLC for it. They will probably use that map to justifie new collector airplanes that fit that map after it get added to game.

If this map comes and devs release it as collector map with Career on it - I‘d buy. 

[ww2fighter20]

For late war there are 3 options for the hints given.

 

Back in October in the Enigma interview the devs mentioned 4 engine bombers might be considered in the next project (likely as ai only), this could very well be an lancaster which could also introduce radar equipted night fighters which would surely be considered as something new, to my memory even IL2 1946 didn't had them.

 

Courland/East Prussia could give us torpedo bombers (A20G/IL-4) and float planes (Ar-196) from seaplane bases and launched from german ships, disadvantage would be no very late war german aircraft like Ta152 and He162 but still enough to fill 5 german aircraft (Bf109G10/Fw190A9/Ar196/Hs129B3/Ju87D5), the map has an large coastline but is also quite flat, there are some large cities like Danzig/Koningsberg but still smaller then Brussels on Rheinland map, career could start in summer of 1944 till end of ww2, RAF also bombed Koningsberg with 4 engine bombers in summer 1944, not sure if nightfighters were active on map.

 

2 options for operations around Berlin, both could include german night fighters.

Berlin is best placed just outside of Northern or Southern border of the map since many german airfields were located here for the last months and the map could be extended west of Berlin without requiring Berlin itself.

 

North of Berlin there is not much in form of cities so map could be extended westwards which could include western allied airfields for the last weeks of the war and soviet airfields from early 1945, airfields for both Ta152/He162 would be on the map, map would be mostly flat and might include coastline depending on how far the map goes north.

 

South of Berlin there are more larger cities like Dresden/Leipzig/Prague but all smaller then Brussels on Rheinland map, this would mean less chance map is extended westwards far enough to include western allied airfields, Ta152 could be included but He162 could not, career could even include the Prague Offensive which happend after fall of Berlin, this would also include the mountainrange at the german/czech border which is quite picturesque.

Edited November 21, 2022 by ww2fighter20

[CountZero]

hey maybe were on something here, maybe next DLC is east front one, maybe La-5F picture that got posted some time ago was ment to be from first airplane of next DLC ? where does it fit in in posble DLCs with 10 airplanes not in game ? maybe its not one of next 2 collector airplanes like some ppl think if picture was upsy.

[Bonnot]

16 hours ago, Jackfraser24 said:

Norway? Maybe. I know the Germans invaded it in 1940 and held on to it until Germany surrendered, but there were numerous aerial operations involving sending fighters and bombers to Norway from Britain, such as Operation Tungsten and Operation Mascot which were carried out in order to sink or damage the Tirpitz

I'd like this and support !

 

Also, I remember videos here (lost the link) some two years ago,  about the fallschimjagers assault on  Norway in snowstorm, in dark mountains, very impressive with JU52 dropping paras and crashing etc... and it was  on the KUBAN map !!!

17 hours ago, FliegerAD said:

People get way too excited about the supposedly beautiful landscape, as if this was not in the eye of the beholder.

 

So, I think with existing maps -maybe a little twicked- much can be done at low cost, whether it is a Second front for tankies or a mediterranean landscape to fly over -from south Stalingrad map- after all it is "realistic" as a  movie... ?

[Bonnot]

From the shores of Tripoli ...

Or Malta...

[Sobilak]

"Bagration Operation"??

 

[ITAF_Rani]

Malta don t know if it was mentioned to be out of the plans...but I suppose yes because Sicily should be of course present..

Edited November 22, 2022 by ITAF_Rani

[CountZero]

22 minutes ago, ITAF_Rani said:

Malta don t know if it was mentioned to be out of the plans...but I suppose yes because Sicily should be of course present..

Yes no Malta, 

 

 

from 46:26min  , so from question and answer what they say there, next DLC is not Malta, France, Italy, Africa, Balaton... they wont to do it, so that then means its not next DLC. Its same as with PTO, they wont to do it in future, so that means its not next DLC. They can say anything that ppl wont to here that they wont to do it in future, like its with PTO for last 5-6 years, so ppl buy next DLC thinking next one is what they wont, but if next DLC is some poor selected area and dont sell well, there is no future DLC. So its realy interesting what is next DLC.

Edited November 22, 2022 by CountZero

[Jackfraser24]

4 hours ago, CountZero said:

Yes no Malta, 

 

 

from 46:26min  , so from question and answer what they say there, next DLC is not Malta, France, Italy, Africa, Balaton... they wont to do it, so that then means its not next DLC. Its same as with PTO, they wont to do it in future, so that means its not next DLC. They can say anything that ppl wont to here that they wont to do it in future, like its with PTO for last 5-6 years, so ppl buy next DLC thinking next one is what they wont, but if next DLC is some poor selected area and dont sell well, there is no future DLC. So its realy interesting what is next DLC.

So I guess it narrows it down to several possibilities

• Slovakia
• Bessarabia*
• Crimea*
• Warsaw - outskirts of Eastern Berlin
• Smolensk (1943)

* About Crimea and Bessarabia, I am fully aware about what is going on (it’s really hard to be PC about what is going on over there since this is a forum for a Russian produced game, yet lots of people who play this game are from the Western World (I don’t know if it is a vast majority or large minority of players) so I am trying my best not to offend people from both sides) and I am sorry if I have offended anyone. All I am saying is that I know as much as you about what is going to be next. But it must be somewhere on the Eastern Front.  Again I am sorry if I have offended people.

[Bonnot]

3 hours ago, Jackfraser24 said:

and I am sorry if I have offended anyone

It'ld offend no one to say that the number of maps, tanks, BoX  is unbalanced today in favor of the OstFront.....

There are reasons and arguments for this,  but the fact is many Westerners expected to see a fair share going their side now....and they can be disappointed to wait for a new East DLC !

Edited November 22, 2022 by Bonnot

[CountZero]

3 hours ago, Jackfraser24 said:

So I guess it narrows it down to several possibilities

• Slovakia
• Bessarabia*
• Crimea*
• Warsaw - outskirts of Eastern Berlin
• Smolensk (1943)

* About Crimea and Bessarabia, I am fully aware about what is going on (it’s really hard to be PC about what is going on over there since this is a forum for a Russian produced game, yet lots of people who play this game are from the Western World (I don’t know if it is a vast majority or large minority of players) so I am trying my best not to offend people from both sides) and I am sorry if I have offended anyone. All I am saying is that I know as much as you about what is going to be next. But it must be somewhere on the Eastern Front.  Again I am sorry if I have offended people.

For Bessarabia, Crimea, Smolensk you dont have 10 airplanes that were there and not in game, I see Crimea or Smolensk as example of what mod map makers should do as maps would be easy to make with existing 3D objects in game from Kuban or Moscow map, as most important airplanes that fought there we have in game so its highly unlikely to be full DLC. From all this long wait for anouncment im sure next DLC will be bland and borring as heck and they know that so thats why long wait.

Edited November 22, 2022 by CountZero

[Bonnot]

On 11/7/2022 at 4:34 PM, ITAF_Rani said:

I dream to fly an SM 79 for torpedo mission against Royal Fleet... 

......And in the same time , a bunch of unconscious heros searching the Axis convoy in their Stringbags !

[Bonnot]

On 11/22/2022 at 11:47 AM, Bonnot said:

Also, I remember videos here (lost the link) some two years ago,  about the fallschimjagers assault on  Norway in snowstorm, in dark mountains, very impressive with JU52 dropping paras and crashing etc... and it was  on the KUBAN map !!!

On 11/21/2022 at 6:32 PM, FliegerAD said:

People get way too excited about the supposedly beautiful landscape, as if this was not in the eye of the beholder.

 

I just found the video, it is : Operation WESERUBUNG,  from the excellent IL2  "cineast"  LEMSIP,  posted march 2020.

Watching it again comforted me in my opinion,  about taking the best from what we still have available, to extend the range of our activities at low cost !

[Jackfraser24]

On 11/22/2022 at 7:53 AM, Eisenfaustus said:

Don’t know if the map is feasible but I really like that selection of planes. Only lose the He-111 for a Ta-152 H-1. Two multicrew bombers for the Lw in one DLC isn’t realistic workload wise. 
 

If this map comes and devs release it as collector map with Career on it - I‘d buy. 

Someone should make a VL Myrsky then. That would be cool.

[Bonnot]

 FW 189  UHU  :  A bird I'd like to fly if we must return to Ostfront in 1943 ...

I remember it in " 1946" (?) , very nice....and there are Night fighter and light bomber ver. too !

[AEthelraedUnraed]

On 11/22/2022 at 4:20 PM, CountZero said:

from 46:26min  , so from question and answer what they say there, next DLC is not Malta, France, Italy, Africa, Balaton... they wont to do it, so that then means its not next DLC.

Now that I'm re-listening to this, I'm not so sure anymore. Basically all they say is that they want to do all of them, but don't have a large enough team for that so they have to choose. The only one they're actually completely ruling out is Italy, basically because Rome is too large a city (which we know; same thing as with Berlin). Or am I overthinking this??