Great Battles Future

[CountZero]

10 minutes ago, BOO said:

The counter to this of course is that IL2 can be what it wants. By the same metric it was supposed to be a Eastern Front oriented flight sim (hence the title) but developed much further. Save for boat splatting in the Pacific, another expansion into WW2 really only brings more of the same with different coloured scenery. Korea would be a nice gear shift I guess. And Korea isnt Vietnam or later - its much closer to WW2 tech wise. 

 

But (devils advocate)

 

I am ashamed to admit and my knowledge of Korea is limited but I cant see any scenario where carriers wouldnt be missed even with a rounded out ground based presence. Like WW2 and given the moving fronts and battle areas N and S, I assume more than 1 map would be needed. This then commits the devs to a series that may or may not prove popular. It also commits to a series where there is little in the way of new types, especially for the North Korean side.

 

When we come to the opposing forces one also has to question how popular flying against the allies would be?  Sure you got the Mig15 but what else? Tu2, IL-10, An2, and a few WW2 era Yaks and Lavochkins. Hardly enticing. By contrast, the allies would, by and large, be needing many new types F80, F82, F84 F86, F94, Invader and thats before one considers the RN and USN carrier based aircraft and before we get to AI transports and the mighty B29 (a kinda needed MIg bater). So then not only are we left with a huge development undertaking from the get go but one that many players wouldnt necessarly find appealing if the ole blue helmet or Mig v Sabre thing isnt their bag. I dunno, on paper, great idea, in practice though...?

 

 

on top no 109/190 ?  

dont know how anyone would think Korea is posible DLC

[Alexmarine]

12 minutes ago, BOO said:

 

But (devils advocate)

 

I am ashamed to admit and my knowledge of Korea is limited but I cant see any scenario where carriers wouldnt be missed even with a rounded out ground based presence.

 

USN presensence concentrated on the Eastern coast of the peninsula after the MiG established themselves on the North-Western area of NK, only light carriers and small numbers of Corsairs kept operating there for the entire war.

12 minutes ago, BOO said:

Like WW2 and given the moving fronts and battle areas N and S, I assume more than 1 map would be needed.

 

After the end of the Chinese winter offensive 1950/51, the rest of the war saw very little movements of the frontline, ending into positional warfare

12 minutes ago, BOO said:

 

This then commits the devs to a series that may or may not prove popular. It also commits to a series where there is little in the way of new types, especially for the North Korean side.

 

When we come to the opposing forces one also has to question how popular flying against the allies would be?  Sure you got the Mig15 but what else?

 

I mean, not that much different than when we only had soviets as the only Allied faction in the game

 

12 minutes ago, BOO said:

Tu2, IL-10, An2, and a few WW2 era Yaks and Lavochkins. Hardly enticing. By contrast, the allies would, by and large, be needing many new types F80, F82, F84 F86, F94, Invader and thats before one considers the RN and USN carrier based aircraft

 

The Yak (apart some few) and La were all post war models, on par with most allied post war props. Maybe first time we get an asymmetric planeset instead of the old 5+5?

12 minutes ago, BOO said:

 

 and before we get to AI transports and the mighty B29 (a kinda needed MIg bater). 

 

We have NWE theatre with no B-17/24, we can survive without the B-29 over Korea (which served for at best 5/6 months during daylight in a 3 years war)

[BOO]

7 minutes ago, Alexmarine said:

 

USN presensence concentrated on the Eastern coast of the peninsula after the MiG established themselves on the North-Western area of NK, only light carriers and small numbers of Corsairs kept operating there for the entire war.

 

 

 Perhaps but the F9F2 flew 78,000 mission over Korea presumably often in support of other naval aircraft so are difficult to discount. 

 

11 minutes ago, Alexmarine said:

I mean, not that much different than when we only had soviets as the only Allied faction in the game

 

 

The Yak (apart some few) and La were all post war models, on par with most allied post war props. Maybe first time we get an asymmetric planeset instead of the old 5+5?

 

We can disagree.  My thinking is that unless you are restricting the war to a very early period and even then ignoring a whole stack of airframes there is no parity at all. If I look at the seeming disparity of the German/Soviet sets of the early war titles GB offered enough with its plane sets to collectors to be at least in the ballpark if one knew what you were doing. There is no such option here. The  La9 and Yak 9 were both WW2 aircraft and out of production by 1948 whilst the La11 was an interceptor development that could barely fulful its role at altitude. Coming away from fighters there is only the IL10 and TU2 both of which are completley outmoded by the 1950s. I feel that producing a 5/5 set that ignores the early jets offers nothing unique over whats available now and would be mearly an excericse in gameplay balance over the reality. Only my view though. 

 

[Talisman]

Korea.  Great stuff!

 

SEA FURY & CORSAIRS!

 

 

CORSAIRS!

 

 

Happy landings,

 

Talisman

[Alexmarine]

 

Reject WW2, embrace Korea

[=621=Samikatz]

20 hours ago, SeaSerpent said:

Well, I can see how carrier operations can work in an SP environment, with AI assigned missions, and lots of AI wingmen in a strike, but just going off of how multiplayer carrier ops work in DCS, there has got to be a major paradigm shift in IL-2 MP or it will be a disaster.  I mean, in current IL-2 multiplayer, you have people hitting E and taking off right across the taxiways.  You want some guy spawning in on the fantail just as you roll into the groove?  Is there going to be an air boss or a “mother”, and who is that going to be? Some guy n this thread?  Are you going to have 50 aircraft strikes, or onesie, twosies flight of inebriated flyers (like me, lol?) just doing their own thing?  We once heard of a feature called “Air Marshall” and that could certainly address these things, but then you start having to deal with commanders and bosses and bozos and a level of organization that is not in keeping with IL-2’s kick-the-tires/light-the-fires accessibility.   OK for hardcore multiplayer DCS guys maybe, but I don’t see it working out well IL-2.

 

I remember missions from the old sim set up with multiple carriers, some set up to receive, some set up to launch. It's not exactly realistic but I'm sure it'd work out

[stburr91]

I would have some doubts about the popularity of a Korean war setting, it's called the forgotten war for a reason. If you are going to leave WWII, a Vietnam War setting would be amazing, and I'd buy that immediately. It would have the issue of a very lopsided plane set, but I don't think many would care, there's just so much potential in that setting. As much potential as there is in a Vietnam setting, I just don't see it happening. 

 

Being somewhat more realistic, I would like to see CloD do Sicily/Italy, and GB do the PTO. 

 

    

Edited September 15, 2022 by stburr91

[Jackfraser24]

10 hours ago, Corralandy120000 said:

If there have to be a new module to work on significant singleplayer impovements, so be it. But I'd like to hear from the devs there will be more focus on SP in future. 

 

Anyway, I'd like to see late war east, so I can fly full career in one unit some day (i.e. JG52). PTO or MTO isn't something I'm looking forward to until the main european fronts are covered (west is nearly done, so it's time to finish the east). 

And Korea: come on guys, there's DCS for this kind of stuff It's doing great job in this. 

Yeah, better off to see the European Theatre complete before moving to the Med or the Pacific.

Edited September 15, 2022 by Jackfraser24

[DBFlyguy]

1 hour ago, stburr91 said:

I would have some doubts about the popularity of a Korean war setting, it's called the forgotten war for a reason.

 

 

    

The Korean War is about to get a big budget hollywood movie in about two months:

 

That will help bring a bit more spotlight to that conflict. 

 

This game needs something new and fresh and Korea would provide that while also allowing for carrier operations finally (albeit a smaller scale than the PTO).  Early jet combat would also be a good way to get some DCS folks over who have been waiting for that era to be covered more completely than just a F-86 and MiG-15 with nowhere to really use them. If the Pacific isn't feasible for these devs, either the MTO or Korean War would be something new and fresh.

Edited September 15, 2022 by DBFlyguy

[stburr91]

If the team can't do the PTO, then I don't know how they could realistically be able to leave the WWII setting. 

 

My point was, if they could leave WWII, Vietnam would be much more popular than Korea, not that there wouldn't be any interest at all in Korea. Regardless, I just don't see them leaving the WWII setting anytime soon (6-8 years), and as many have already said, a much easier project is most likely to be next. 

[Alexmarine]

Vietnam would imply such engine and game mechanics advancement that I doubt could be able achievable without a complete engine overhaul at the least (if not a completely new engine).

 

Ironically, with the work on the Me-262 and the Arado, the game is probably almost ready to tackle a Korean era conflict more than ever it was before 

[stburr91]

57 minutes ago, Alexmarine said:

Vietnam would imply such engine and game mechanics advancement that I doubt could be able achievable without a complete engine overhaul at the least (if not a completely new engine).

 

Ironically, with the work on the Me-262 and the Arado, the game is probably almost ready to tackle a Korean era conflict more than ever it was before 

 

Well, as I've already stated, I don't see them leaving WWII in the foreseeable future, and by the time they release the next module, or two, they will need to do an engine overhaul anyway. 

 

  

[Guest deleted@83466]

I’ve gone back and forth on Korea, but I agree that they should stay in WW2.  They could certainly do Korea with their jet tech, but yeah, already quite familiar with MiGs and Sabres from DCS.  I got into IL-2 in the first place for WW2, not WW1, nor Korea, nor tanks, or anything else.  At one time I also thought MTO would be good, and it would be, but these days, just speaking for myself, I’ve flown so many minor variants of BF-109, FW-190, Mustang, Spit, and Yak (and not just in IL-2) that the novelty has really faded and it’s hard to get excited about any new modules in which these are the primary combatants.   Now I’m almost embarrassed to admit it, but one of the local stations plays Black Sheep Squadron every Saturday , and I frequently watch, even though I’ve seen em all 50 times.  A land based tactical air sim in the western Solomons or New Guinea seems like it would be perfect.  Guadalcanal is a little too far from Rabaul.  Obviously the producer has already stated the difficulties of modeling Japanese planes, so that’s understood.  Maybe it just can’t happen, don’t know.  Hope it does.

[stburr91]

6 minutes ago, SeaSerpent said:

I’ve gone back and forth on Korea, but I agree that they should stay in WW2.  They could certainly do Korea with their jet tech, but yeah, already quite familiar with MiGs and Sabres from DCS.  I got into IL-2 in the first place for WW2, not WW1, nor Korea, nor tanks, or anything else.  At one time I also thought MTO would be good, and it would be, but these days, just speaking for myself, I’ve flown so many minor variants of BF-109, FW-190, Mustang, Spit, and Yak (and not just in IL-2) that the novelty has really faded and it’s hard to get excited about any new modules in which these are the primary combatants.   Now I’m almost embarrassed to admit it, but one of the local stations plays Black Sheep Squadron every Saturday , and I frequently watch, even though I’ve seen em all 50 times.  A land based tactical air sim in the western Solomons or New Guinea seems like it would be perfect.  Guadalcanal is a little too far from Rabaul.  Obviously the producer has already stated the difficulties of modeling Japanese planes, so that’s understood.  Maybe it just can’t happen, don’t know.  Hope it does.

 

Yes, how long can people keep flying the same planes over, and over again, I say this as someone that has just gotten into flight sims, and even I can see this as a real issue.

 

I still very much enjoying flying the current planes, but I would still love to see PTO maps, and planes. While flying the PTO planes in 1946 is nice, it just isn't the same as it would be doing it in a much newer sim.

 

PS, I like that you're willing to admit you watch Black Sheep Squadron, LoL, I remember watching it (in reruns) as a kid.  

[DBFlyguy]

3 hours ago, stburr91 said:

Vietnam would be much more popular than Korea

That is true but we're talking about this game series, not DCS.  DCS is and will remain the kings of in-depth combat jet sims, that includes the aircraft you would do in a Vietnam release, trying to compete with them would not make much sense on several levels. 

 

1 hour ago, SeaSerpent said:

 nor tanks

??? x1000 agree!

 

1 hour ago, SeaSerpent said:

 Now I’m almost embarrassed to admit it, but one of the local stations plays Black Sheep Squadron every Saturday , and I frequently watch, even though I’ve seen em all 50 times. 

If I had a local channel that played it, I'd be watching too ?

 

1 hour ago, SeaSerpent said:

Obviously the producer has already stated the difficulties of modeling Japanese planes, so that’s understood.  Maybe it just can’t happen, don’t know.  Hope it does.

I would hope in the years since this original statement was made by him things have changed? Or they've adjusted what is needed to make it happen? I guess time will tell,  hopefully we don't have to wait too much longer to see where they are going next, hopefully a place a view of the pacific ocean or ... somewhere near the Inchon...

[Guest deleted@83466]

Inchon Smhminchon, I want “Great Battles:  Rings Around Rabaul”, just like the namesake of a favorite episode of Victory at Sea.!

 

?
 

 

[FliegerAD]

On 9/15/2022 at 9:58 PM, DBFlyguy said:

This game needs something new and fresh and Korea would provide that while also allowing for carrier operations finally (albeit a smaller scale than the PTO).  Early jet combat would also be a good way to get some DCS folks over who have been waiting for that era to be covered more completely than just a F-86 and MiG-15 with nowhere to really use them. If the Pacific isn't feasible for these devs, either the MTO or Korean War would be something new and fresh.

 

It should be noted again that if "smaller scale" carrier ops are wanted, i.e. with only Allied carriers present, WW2 still has a lot of scenarios with that - most of which certainly qualify as fresh, if sometimes rather unknown.

However I for one would love to fly Hellcats against classic 109s (Hellcat being my favourite WW2 US plane), and I would love to try sinking a carrier with Fritz X and Hs 293 (though that never happened, I know).

[ArchaicWarrior]

Yes, this Sim should stay in WW2 .. and how long can people fly the same/similar aircraft ? EXACTLY ! that's why it needs to be Spanish Civil War or Battle for France. Most planes already there but you'll get the early versions, under gunned and under powered = challenge.  Bi-planes and unique aircraft - Defiant, whirlwind, battle, hampden + ton of French totally unique planes.

 

I'd love to fly a Bf 109 D  or a early He 111. Not to mention Defiant or hampden .. or .. or all the French stuff.  ?  As most of these planes are already in IL2 or CLOD , half the works done.

 

I'll put a deposit down for that!  ?

[Bonnot]

7 hours ago, ArchaicWarrior said:

I'd love to fly a Bf 109 D  or a early He 111. Not to mention Defiant or hampden .. or .. or all the French stuff.  ?  As most of these planes are already in IL2 or CLOD , half the works done.

And all ( almost ) maps are still there -with minor modifs....

[Jackfraser24]

IL-2 Battle of (somewhere in) Manchuria 

 

Soviets

• IL-10
• P-39 Q-10
• Pe-2 series 359
• Pe-3
• Yak-9UT

Japanese

• A6M7
• G4M2E
• Ki-46 III Kai Otsu
• Ki-84
• Ki-100

[Jackfraser24]

On 9/25/2022 at 5:02 PM, Motivated said:

I want to see another Eastern Front expansion taking place on the Leningrad Front or during the Donets Campaign. I'm positive a lot of people would absolutely lose their minds ?

I’m not trying to be disrespectful, but I am actually curious to know if doing a battle in the Ukraine SSR be a good idea? Or would a lot of people get really upset by this? 
 

If there was going to be a battle done in Ukraine, I would say the best battle to do would be the Battle of Korsun-Cherkassy.

Sorry if I have offended.

Edited September 26, 2022 by Jackfraser24

[Deicide]

I feel like the people who want more European theater, Spitfires, Yaks, 190's and 109's are the same type of people who eat the same meal every day and do the same thing every single day. No matter if something different is in front of them.

[DD_Friar]

All this talk of what next when the paint is still wet on Normandy. I think as others have suggested the limited resources they have they should spend some time rounding off what we have already. There is still room for DLC to generate income (which no matter what we want or think is the driver for the Company). For Normandy I know a large number of people that would pay for a Horsa glider. It could even be just the glider and not worry about being towed, missions starting with an air start at a typical release point, although should towing be possible how cool would that be, pilot in C47 (hopefully not to far away now...), pilot in glider....yes please take my money...

 

Changing bomb load outs for planes like A20 to western types, I resist the urge to mention western tanks like Cromwell and Matilda as that is not BON planes (but would be brilliant - take my money now...oops I just did...).

 

For mission builders something simple like adding the German staff car the Kubelwagen as a vehicle populated like the Willys Jeep, populated landing craft to make d-day flotilla look more real (do not expect them to be able to run off), also a version with tanks loaded. 

 

 

 

[CountZero]

4 hours ago, Deicide said:

I feel like the people who want more European theater, Spitfires, Yaks, 190's and 109's are the same type of people who eat the same meal every day and do the same thing every single day. No matter if something different is in front of them.

And to me it looks that ppl who still belive in anything els then europe DLC are not lisening to devs or dont play this game to see its limitations.

There is reason why DLC selection is limited to only few realistic options, others are fantasy and dreams.

[Robli]

23 hours ago, Deicide said:

I feel like the people who want more European theater, Spitfires, Yaks, 190's and 109's are the same type of people who eat the same meal every day and do the same thing every single day. No matter if something different is in front of them.

 

Well, if that is the connection (I would guess that something like 98% of people are having daily/weekly routines), then it is a no-brainer for 1C to pick their target audience.

[Bonnot]

A Metaphysic choice.....:

Make the best of what you have, by improving tech, expanding range, adding models, polish visual effects , etc....  = EVOLUTION

or throw away the Old and start  NEW  - with effect of making Old obsolete ...  = REVOLUTION

When I watch my fully messy shelves with so many good old games useless now , I wonder if revolution was always so necessary  ?

 

Today we have an extremely good game who seems to satisfy a large number of gamers. This forum is full of good ideas, Fantasy or Dreams, maybe some sparks can  lead to  welcome improvements, but the basic meal is still there : just add some spices, mustards, creams, etc....

[Deicide]

I'm just tired of flying the same 4 aircraft with different variants. They won't give us the B-25 or the B-26, instead its a Spitfire with a special canopy for 20 dollars (wooo /s ). I'd gladly pay for anything that doesn't have more Spitfires or 109's or Yak's. Variety is key to life. Having 5 different models of the same aircraft isn't variety. Might as well add that the axis button in game is a nazi flag and japanese flag. That gives me hope for no more European Theaters and something different and better is coming along than flying over Europe again. There are more theaters than just Europe. I know any thing Pacific would sell like hot cakes, especially to American's like myself.

[AEthelraedUnraed]

53 minutes ago, Deicide said:

I'm just tired of flying the same 4 aircraft with different variants. They won't give us the B-25 or the B-26, instead its a Spitfire with a special canopy for 20 dollars (wooo /s ). I'd gladly pay for anything that doesn't have more Spitfires or 109's or Yak's. Variety is key to life. Having 5 different models of the same aircraft isn't variety. Might as well add that the axis button in game is a nazi flag and japanese flag. That gives me hope for no more European Theaters and something different and better is coming along than flying over Europe again. There are more theaters than just Europe. I know any thing Pacific would sell like hot cakes, especially to American's like myself.

Did you read the Q&A? There's no Pacific coming any time soon.

[Birdman]

In my opinion a Winter War module would bring some diversity to the plane set with Blenheims, MS406, Buffaloes, could even add a Lysander for the Finnish side. I-153, DB and/or SB bombers for the soviets.

 

[Deicide]

2 hours ago, AEthelraedUnraed said:

Did you read the Q&A? There's no Pacific coming any time soon.

 

 

I didn't know it existed until just now. But i also see it only came out a few days ago. But I do now. Sad. I won't lie and say it really does pain me and make me sad. BUT I get it. Also being an SP only player i understand. I also saw this article (posted below) and when they mentioned New Guinea I did like that idea quite a bit. The Pacific theater is so under represented in gaming. I get the size/scale/carrier and all that. I just can't justify personally buying another game that is just more spitfires and 109's. I've said it before I can play 11 different games in my steam library with 109/190/spitfires and 3 with anything pacific. To be honest, I just really wanna fly the F6F and not have to play IL-2 1946 BAT and have super pretty graphics like I do currently. That's all I really want. If they made a F6F Hellcat as a collector plane I would shut up haha. "This F6F Hellcat is made and sold purely to shut up Deicide about the Pacific theater" I'd be fine with that too haha

 

https://stormbirds.blog/2022/09/27/interesting-reveals-in-1cgs-podcast-summary/

[Bonnot]

40 minutes ago, Deicide said:

Sad. I won't lie and say it really does pain me and make me sad. BUT I get it. Also being an SP only player i understand.

....And I understand you as I'm also fond of Pacific Ops , Carriers strike, USMC , VMF and Corsairs....

Few games satisfied me but sometimes 1946  or even better ARMA III which have some surprisingly good features in mods.

I share some of your reactions on the stream of BF109, Spits and Yaks, so "Evolution"   for me is also new planes fit for Europe WWII, some are requested regularly by many players with a better chance to fly than a Zero....no new maps or hard tech modifs needed !

 

[Jackfraser24]

Berlin, here we come!

 

Hungary (Balaton), here we come!

 

Slovakia, here we come!

 

Smolensk, here we come!

 

Kursk, here we come!

 

Bessarabia, here we come! (I hope I’m not being offensive, sorry if I am.)

 

Sicily, here we come!

 

Monte Cassino/Anzio, here we come!

 

Malta, here we come!

 

Tunisia, here we come!  
 

What do you think is next at this point?

 

 

Edited September 30, 2022 by Jackfraser24

[BMA_FlyingShark]

2 hours ago, Jackfraser24 said:

What do you think is next at this point?

Tunisia, I don't think so.

All the others are possible and all are fine for me.

 

Have a nice day.

 

[Jackfraser24]

1 hour ago, FlyingShark said:

Tunisia, I don't think so.

All the others are possible and all are fine for me.

 

Have a nice day.

 

You too.

[Chief_Mouser]

5 hours ago, Jackfraser24 said:

 

What do you think is next at this point?

 

 

 

Epirus - followed by the Aleutians ?

Also, you left off Leningrad and Murmansk.

[CountZero]

10 hours ago, Jackfraser24 said:

Berlin, here we come!  = LOL game cant handle city like that

 

Hungary (Balaton), here we come! = LOL what airplanes

 

Slovakia, here we come! = LOL what airplanes 

 

Smolensk, here we come! = LOL what airplanes

 

Kursk, here we come! = LOL what airplanes

 

Bessarabia, here we come! (I hope I’m not being offensive, sorry if I am.) = LOL what airplanes

 

Sicily, here we come! = Maybe

 

Monte Cassino/Anzio, here we come! = LOL what airplanes

 

Malta, here we come! = With Sicily 43 no need for two

 

Tunisia, here we come!  = With Sicily 43 no need for two 
 

What do you think is next at this point?  Channel 43 ,  Sicily 43 , Italy 45 or no DLC, are most likely options others are fantasys without any base in reality

 

 

 

Edited September 30, 2022 by CountZero

[Eisenfaustus]

I guess we‘ll get an announcement after 5.002 is released - two weeks for sure!

[Jackfraser24]

Battle of Bessarabia - 1944

 

I know many of you who read this wouldn’t be overly thrilled if Battle of Bessarabia happens, but there is still so much of the Eastern Front that is ought to be covered. Here are my reasons for doing a Battle of Bessarabia. 

• No cities big enough that could cause the game to lag.
• The battles in Bessarabia during the summer of 1944 were part of the two Jassy-Kishinev Offensives, the first one where the Axis won, then the second where the Soviets won. The second offensive indirectly caused that led Romania to switch sides, starting with a coup. Bulgaria also left the Axis and joined the Allies. 
• According to Wikipedia, there were 2,200 Soviet aircraft and 800 Romanian aircraft present to fight in Bessarabia, so a Battle of Bessarabia would offer decent aerial campaigns and pilot careers. Also, a Battle of Bessarabia dlc would cover a period of time at least between early April to late August 1944, so there would get two seasonal versions of the Bessarabia map.
• A Battle of Bessarabia would be a great place for the yet to come IAR.80/81 to fight in, defending Romania’s doorstep. 
• As a bonus point, it was in the original IL-2 1946 game.

Plane List

 

Axis

• Bf-109 G-6AS
• I.A.R 79
• He-111 H-20
• Ju-87 D-5
• Ju-88 S-1

Soviets

• IL-2 1944 model 
• IL-4 1944 model
• La-7 (some early version of the La-7)
• Pe-2 359 series
• Yak-9M

Edited October 1, 2022 by Jackfraser24

[BraveSirRobin]

39 minutes ago, Jackfraser24 said:

Battle of Bessarabia - 1944

 

I know many of you who read this wouldn’t be overly thrilled if Battle of Bessarabia happens, but there is still so much of the Eastern Front that is ought to be covered. Here are my reasons for doing a Battle of Bessarabia. 

• No cities big enough that could cause the game to lag.
• The battles in Bessarabia during the summer of 1944 were part of the two Jassy-Kishinev Offensives, the first one where the Axis won, then the second where the Soviets won. The second offensive indirectly caused that led Romania to switch sides, starting with a coup. Bulgaria also left the Axis and joined the Allies. 
• According to Wikipedia, there were 2,200 Soviet aircraft and 800 Romanian aircraft present to fight in Bessarabia, so a Battle of Bessarabia would offer decent aerial campaigns and pilot careers. Also, a Battle of Bessarabia dlc would cover a period of time at least between early April to late August 1944, so there would get two seasonal versions of the Bessarabia map.
• A Battle of Bessarabia would be a great place for the yet to come IAR.80/81 to fight in, defending Romania’s doorstep. 
• As a bonus point, it was in the original IL-2 1946 game.

Plane List

 

Axis

• Bf-109 G-6AS
• I.A.R 79
• He-111 H-20
• Ju-87 D-5
• Ju-88 S-1

Soviets

• IL-2 1944 model 
• IL-4 1944 model
• La-7 (some early version of the La-7)
• Pe-2 359 series
• Yak-9M

Do you put even the slightest amount of thought into what it would take to market a game like this right now?  Seriously.  Try to imagine marketing a game involving the Soviet Union right now.  If you’re not sure what I’m talking about, look at where Bessarabia is on the map.  Then google the country currently situated east of it.

[Jackfraser24]

4 hours ago, BraveSirRobin said:

Do you put even the slightest amount of thought into what it would take to market a game like this right now?  Seriously.  Try to imagine marketing a game involving the Soviet Union right now.  If you’re not sure what I’m talking about, look at where Bessarabia is on the map.  Then google the country currently situated east of it.

Fair enough, you do make a valid point. 

However, you must understand. These were very different times. There were soldiers of Ukrainian nationality who fought in the Red Army, with the same goals that their fellow Russian, Belorussian and Baltic soldiers had. To drive the Nazis out of their homeland. To rid Europe of the possibility of nazism ever grabbing a hold of a nation’s government. To prevent the eradication of all Slavic and Baltic ethnic nationalities and lebensraum becoming a reality. To stop this seemingly endless horror of mass murder, genocide and other countless counts of crimes against humanity. 

 

I don’t intend to use this as an argument. I just wanted to shed light on the fact that Ukrainians fought to defend their country against the Nazis and their collaborators in order to prevent slavery, mass deportation and genocide.
 

So, what would you say? Would it be a good idea or a bad one to do a Battle of Bessarabia?
 

But just so you know, I am not denying what is happening in Ukraine. And I would never ever condone something like that.

Edited October 1, 2022 by Jackfraser24