Great Battles Future

[Sandmarken]

I am pretty sure an eastern front module is not gonna happen right now. The new normandy career have many spitfire ix and vb squadrons that is missing some modifications to be historicaly correct. My bet is the devs has plans that involves one or both of them ??

[Docholiday]

I will buy nearly everything......

 

As long there is a map with sea,  new ships,       attacking airplanes like   Beaufighters,  B-25s, Beauforts , torpedo armed Ju-88s or He-111s... ?

 

 

Of course I would love  Avengers, Helldivers and Hellcats  too ????

 

Doc

 

"Fighter pilots make babys. Bomber pilots make history!"

 

 

 

 

 

[sevenless]

1 hour ago, Sandmarken said:

I am pretty sure an eastern front module is not gonna happen right now. The new normandy career have many spitfire ix and vb squadrons that is missing some modifications to be historicaly correct. My bet is the devs has plans that involves one or both of them ??

 

Yes, you never can have too many Spitfires! Spitfire HF Mk.VII, Spitfire LF Mk.IXc and Spitfire LF Mk.Vb. All of them please ?

 

[Jackfraser24]

Berlin/Balaton Dual Maps Idea

 

Has anyone suggested a module which incorporates two maps instead of one?

 

I just thought having two separate maps in one module would have its benefits. Most people are more in favor of the series going to the Med or the Pacific rather than returning to the Eastern front. A minority are in favor of doing a late Eastern Front battle which was where the war ended in Europe. The areas around Berlin and Lake Balaton in Hungary were historically significant. Berlin was the last major battle in WWII in Europe, and the area around Lake Balaton was the Axis's last major offensives into Soviet lines in March 1945. Therefore if two different maps were made, one of Berlin and one of Balaton, Jason Williams's team would be killing two birds with one stone. (Don't get me wrong though, I love birds).

[BOO]

Nah - tis "BOTH" - Battle of the hedgrows - dont even need a map or new aircraft - its all fought out on the forums...

[CountZero]

39 minutes ago, Jackfraser24 said:

Berlin/Balaton Dual Maps Idea

 

Has anyone suggested a module which incorporates two maps instead of one?

 

I just thought having two separate maps in one module would have its benefits. Most people are more in favor of the series going to the Med or the Pacific rather than returning to the Eastern front. A minority are in favor of doing a late Eastern Front battle which was where the war ended in Europe. The areas around Berlin and Lake Balaton in Hungary were historically significant. Berlin was the last major battle in WWII in Europe, and the area around Lake Balaton was the Axis's last major offensives into Soviet lines in March 1945. Therefore if two different maps were made, one of Berlin and one of Balaton, Jason Williams's team would be killing two birds with one stone. (Don't get me wrong though, I love birds).

They can bearly make one map in time, no way they gona go and do 2 maps if they dont need to, they can make more maps in one dlc but why if you can just make 1. Also you aint gona see battles around Berlin, game dont do big citys, just look at how London and Paris dont even exist on borders of bon map, where you should be able to see whole citys if flying there.

 

Before BoN was anounced on russian forum when Han got asked when late war soviet airplanes /when next east front, he psted that he proposed liberation of poland as next dlc, normandy dlc won then. So before this year war Poland 45 was most logical next dlc, map from warsaw to berlin, avoiding placing both citys on map, they would dictate borders, and battles would be from 1945, with probably missing soviet and axis late war airplanes, easy to do and popular airplanes, but its hard to belive they would be crazy enought to anounce liberatin of poland dlc today.

 

So thats why ppl dont even bather to expect east war dlc, only one that would sell is late war with super stalin wood airplanes and missing 109G10 and 190A9, so whats left, pto that have no data on airplanes then zero, sicily 43 or italy 45, and what i expect channel 43... ppl can wish leningrad, france, norway, madagascar, spain, palestain and so on... but it aint gona be posible.

 

What i wont them to do and what i expect them to do is not same, wont midway or sicily (because of map and italian airplanes mostly) and then Poland 45 (because of best airplanes that are still missing) if staying in europe, i expect they do channel 43 because its west front and easyer to make today.

 

Edited September 9, 2022 by CountZero

[DD_Arthur]

9 hours ago, Jackfraser24 said:

Most people are more in favor of the series going to the Med or the Pacific rather than returning to the Eastern front. A minority are in favor of doing a late Eastern Front battle…..

 

Therefore if two different maps were made, one of Berlin and one of Balaton, Jason Williams's team would be killing two birds with one stone. 

Forgive me Jack but…..aren’t you suggesting offering the majority of people twice as much of what they don’t want?

?

[Jackfraser24]

3 hours ago, DD_Arthur said:

Forgive me Jack but…..aren’t you suggesting offering the majority of people twice as much of what they don’t want?

?

Possibly. 
I think that a late Eastern Front battle is next for several reasons. Even if it’s just one map, not two like I suggested earlier. 

• If I am not wrong, travelling  between Russia, where they’re based, and the rest of Europe will be more restricted and more expensive. They would have to take two or more flights to get to Western/Southern Europe or the States where the museums and archives are with the information and resources they are looking for. 
• Some fans have waited nearly 3 years for Normandy to be released, so I think they deserve the next one to be made a bit sooner. 
• Jason Williams and his team have probably had a guts full of working tirelessly everyday without a a summer break for nearly 3 years due to COVID. Working in front of a computer for hours everyday for nearly three years must take a toll on you psychologically. I think for them, they might want their next module to be a little easier to make.
• A Battle of Berlin or Balaton would be easier and much quicker to make  compared to Normandy and Bodenplatte due to 

1. The buildings like houses, factories and depots in Hungary and East Germany would be similar with minor differences in appearances and layout. All they’d have to do is ‘copy and paste what buildings they made in Bodenplatte, make a few minor alterations to them, and then they’re done. 
2. The German planes from Bodenplatte, the Bf-109 G-14/K-4 and Fw-190 A-8/D-9 and the Me-262 as well as the Me-410 and Ar-234 from Normandy could be used in Career mode, at least around Berlin between Summer 1944 and Spring 1945. 
3. Planes like the Bf-109 G-10, Fw-190 A-9, He-111 H-20/22, Ju-188 and Ta-152, all which could be used in the game, are all based on planes already in Great Battles, either loosely or heavily. Shouldn’t be very time consuming to make. Same goes for most of the Soviet planes like the Yak 9U/UT, Yak-3, La-7, and the IL-2 1944 mod/IL-10 as the planes these planes they could make are already in the game. 

• Doing Sicily or mainland Italy would mean modelling completely new planes, ship classes, buildings, layouts of Italian towns and cities and the surrounding countryside and wilderness (I.e forests, lakes and mountains). Also, there are no Italian speaking pilots.
• The Pacific would be completely different again. If they wanted to do Mid-Way, the actual map would be relatively easy to make. Just ocean with a few atolls here and there. However there are no Japanese aircraft in the game yet, or Japanese speaking pilots. Modelling not only the planes but also the ships, like carriers, battleships, etc would take a while to find resources and actually build. Making pilot career missions would be a nightmare since most, if not all the documents needed, were destroyed. 

So that is why I think a late Eastern Front battle is next. 

[Bonnot]

On 9/9/2022 at 10:48 AM, Docholiday said:

I will buy nearly everything......

 

As long there is a map with sea,  new ships,       attacking airplanes like   Beaufighters,  B-25s, Beauforts , torpedo armed Ju-88s or He-111s... ?

.......

 

"Fighter pilots make babys. Bomber pilots make history!"

 

 

 

 

 

........ + Playable B25 or B26, and  even  B 17 or B 24 with plenty of .50 in 360°  turrets....

Big Bombers were even supposed to "End History"  at a time !

[FliegerAD]

In the latest (now closed) "next theatre"-thread, someone said:

Summary : nobody agrees about anything !?

 

I think there is a pretty clear trend here, although this forum may not be representative, and that is moving away from traditional options to gain a new experience. The late war western front is covered pretty well by now. Few people seem to want a super-late Götterdämmerung module, also not a mid-war western front (aka Channel) module. Not sure about late eastern front stuff...

 

The MTO and PTO probably have the greatest number of proponents anyway (again: in this forum). MTO is more conservative with the lack of Axis carriers and thus a lack of carrier vs carrier battles, but still offers a new landscape, interesting campaigns, and a new set of Axis planes. And with a late MTO, one would avoid any possible overlap with CloD, while the PTO would be totally new.

 

Since it is not yet out on Steam, I had no chance to play Normandy... how is the Allied fleet handled? Can Il2 deal with naval action on a greater scale?

[Corralandy120000]

I know I'm gonna be hated for this oppinion but personaly I wouldn't like to see any new theater, module or planes until there will be a massive singleplayer overhaul and improvements. I'm sorry, but that's how I see it. It's not that I'm ungreatfull or something, but I think like the singleplayer and its missing aspects where pushed aside. And now it's time to get back to it. I hope there're more of us. ??

Edited September 13, 2022 by Corralandy120000

[Jackfraser24]

3 hours ago, Corralandy120000 said:

I know I'm gonna be hated for this oppinion but personaly I wouldn't like to see any new theater, module or planes until there will be a massive singleplayer overhaul and improvements. I'm sorry, but that's how I see it. It's not that I'm ungreatfull or something, but I think like the singleplayer and its missing aspects where pushed aside. And now it's time to get back to it. I hope there're more of us. ??

Don’t worry, I won’t judge. We should all be able to write down our ideas on this forum without people hampering us down with criticising posts.

[BraveSirRobin]

3 hours ago, Corralandy120000 said:

I know I'm gonna be hated for this oppinion but personaly I wouldn't like to see any new theater, module or planes until there will be a massive singleplayer overhaul and improvements. I'm sorry, but that's how I see it. It's not that I'm ungreatfull or something, but I think like the singleplayer and its missing aspects where pushed aside. And now it's time to get back to it. I hope there're more of us. ??

I’m relatively certain that no one is going to “hate” you for that opinion, but it just isn’t realistic.  They can’t stop producing things that generate revenue to focus completely on things that don’t generate revenue.  And that isn’t going to change.

[DD_Arthur]

1 hour ago, Jackfraser24 said:

Don’t worry, I won’t judge. We should all be able to write down our ideas on this forum without people hampering us down with criticising posts.

Hmmm…..no, it’s a forum. It’s a two way street.  You most certainly can post whatever you want - as long as it is within the forum rules that we all signed up for.

However, standby for your ideas and suggestions to be torn up, criticised or outright rejected - again; as long as it is done within the rules of the forum. 

 

[Corralandy120000]

1 hour ago, BraveSirRobin said:

I’m relatively certain that no one is going to “hate” you for that opinion, but it just isn’t realistic.  They can’t stop producing things that generate revenue to focus completely on things that don’t generate revenue.  And that isn’t going to change.

I know it seems unreal. But on the other hand, I think there are certain possibilities. For example, it could be done in a form of a paid uptade or something. I'd be more than happy to pay full sum for this kind of update/module.

[LukeFF]

8 minutes ago, Corralandy120000 said:

For example, it could be done in a form of a paid uptade or something. I'd be more than happy to pay full sum for this kind of update/module.

 

That is never going to happen.

[Adger]

5 hours ago, Corralandy120000 said:

I know I'm gonna be hated for this oppinion but personaly I wouldn't like to see any new theater, module or planes until there will be a massive singleplayer overhaul and improvements. I'm sorry, but that's how I see it. It's not that I'm ungreatfull or something, but I think like the singleplayer and its missing aspects where pushed aside. And now it's time to get back to it. I hope there're more of us. ??

 

I'm with you @Corralandy120000 and tbh we shouldn't have to pay for SP updates\improvements etc. Id wager that a good 80% of flyers are singleplayer only, maybe more..id love to see some more SP love, BOX series is a beautiful piece of work, great feeling of flight and it's such a shame that the SP aspect gets (IMO) left behind at times.

[BraveSirRobin]

36 minutes ago, Corralandy120000 said:

I know it seems unreal. But on the other hand, I think there are certain possibilities. For example, it could be done in a form of a paid uptade or something. I'd be more than happy to pay full sum for this kind of update/module.

 

It's not that it "seems" unrealistic, it is completely unrealistic.  It's never, ever going to happen.  Ever.

[357th_KW]

And there’s no reason to think that improvements for single player won’t continue to occur with the release of new BoX modules.  Remember the Advanced Quick Mission Builder mode?  That just got added during BoN development and is entirely focused on SP.

[Jackfraser24]

2 hours ago, DD_Arthur said:

Hmmm…..no, it’s a forum. It’s a two way street.  You most certainly can post whatever you want - as long as it is within the forum rules that we all signed up for.

However, standby for your ideas and suggestions to be torn up, criticised or outright rejected - again; as long as it is done within the rules of the forum. 

 

You’re right. It’s a two way street as long as you stay within the rules. I’m just saying people shouldn’t be too unreasonably harsh to the point where it scares or discourages others from posting their ideas again.  

[I./JG52_Woutwocampe]

They have to find a way to get late war russian birds in there

 

Yak3

La7

Tu2

 

Among others

 

However, a late eastern front setting in problematic for new german aircrafts to implement. We need 4 Aircrafts + 1 collector plane. 190A9? He162? Did the salamander even see action over the eastern front in 45?

[Tuco22]

PTO or MTO (i hope)  If some miracle happens and we can do 4 engine bomber things that would be cool too.

Whatever it is ill buy it.

[BMA_FlyingShark]

I have an idea.

Let them make a new map and planes that don't necessarily fit together but that fit in the bigger picture of the series.

Example: The map maker makes a map of Berlin, the guys who make planes make a Yak 3, an La 7 and a Ta 152 for that map. Other than those planes they also make an early P 38, a Fw 190 A4 (both for Normandy), an early P 40 (for Moscow) and  and a few others that don't fit on the new map but can find their place somewhere on the older maps.

Just a thought.

 

Have a nice day.

 

Edited September 14, 2022 by FlyingShark

[Eisenfaustus]

17 hours ago, I./JG52_Woutwocampe said:

However, a late eastern front setting in problematic for new german aircrafts to implement. We need 4 Aircrafts + 1 collector plane. 190A9? He162? Did the salamander even see action over the eastern front in 45?

Possible German Planeset East 1945: Bf 109 G-10, Fw 190 A-9, Ju 87 D-5, Ju 188 + Ta 152 (Collector)

[DBFlyguy]

YAWN.....? Stop all this Eastern Front nonsense...I'm gonna Yak.... ?

 

MTO or Pacific, please and thank you.  ?

[Alexmarine]

Wildcard module: Korean War 

[stburr91]

1 hour ago, DBFlyguy said:

YAWN.....? Stop all this Eastern Front nonsense...I'm gonna Yak.... ?

 

MTO or Pacific, please and thank you.  ?

 

Well, there are what, three eastern front modules already, it would be kind of redundant to do another. MTO would be good, but I'm hoping CloD is going to do Sicily/Italy next, they are well positioned to do so. The PTO isn't the most likely in the best of times, and in the current economic environment, it may just not be possible, but one can hope I guess.  

Edited September 14, 2022 by stburr91

[Alexmarine]

 

See? Carriers! 

[CountZero]

yes they will do pto or korea after they just lost main fm and system guy, and who knows whos next 

 

it will be something simple with copy paste airplanes, and maps like channel 43, so stuff already in game can work fine on it, no new tech like torpedos, big bombers, hard maps, new demanding airplane types and so on...

 

west front is safe place to stay now

[DBFlyguy]

44 minutes ago, stburr91 said:

 

Well, there are what, three eastern front modules already, it would be kind of redundant to do another.

Well...4 if you count tank crew plus the mass majority of the payware stuff (collector planes, vehicles and campaigns) are eastern front oriented... but yes, It would be very redundant, that doesn't mean they won't choose to do it unfortunately....?

 

27 minutes ago, Alexmarine said:

 

See? Carriers! 

 

Throw in some Corsairs...

 

And YES....PLEASE YES! Make it so.  I'd definitely jump on a Korean War release.  It'd be something new and fresh which this series definitely needs and also finally CARRIERS ?

Edited September 14, 2022 by DBFlyguy

[Deicide]

On 9/13/2022 at 11:22 AM, Corralandy120000 said:

I know I'm gonna be hated for this oppinion but personaly I wouldn't like to see any new theater, module or planes until there will be a massive singleplayer overhaul and improvements. I'm sorry, but that's how I see it. It's not that I'm ungreatfull or something, but I think like the singleplayer and its missing aspects where pushed aside. And now it's time to get back to it. I hope there're more of us. ??

 

 

THIS ALL OF WHAT YOU SAID. I've been screaming and begging from the rooftops for SP fixes and improvements. I don't play MP and never had any interest ever to play MP, plus all the servers are always dead anyways. So SP is the only way to play for me. My biggest issue is that I'm forced to either buy a scripted campaign, download a free one, or pwcg or a single mission. I didn't buy any of these modules for that. I bought them to play the career and the career is beyond frustrating because of the ai and all the major issues still plaguing SP/Career mode. I won't buy anything else until these are fixed or unless its PTO. PTO is the only module really I want or would buy, I don't care and am burnt out on Europe, I'm tried of flying the same 5 aircraft with 50 different variants. Russian anything is of no interest to me at all. After BON I won't pre-order again though unless its PTO. Malta/Italy all don't interest me and you end up with more of the same aircraft we already have in game, just more variants of them. Italian aircraft are cool and great but I'm still salty I bought the Mc.202 and then they took the 20mm from it in campaign mode. PWCG missions is really the only place I can use the 20mm pods.

1 hour ago, Alexmarine said:

 

See? Carriers! 

 

 

also this I would buy in a heart beat. Just no more Europe. Korea, yes, please and thank you.

[Guest deleted@83466]

Well, I can see how carrier operations can work in an SP environment, with AI assigned missions, and lots of AI wingmen in a strike, but just going off of how multiplayer carrier ops work in DCS, there has got to be a major paradigm shift in IL-2 MP or it will be a disaster.  I mean, in current IL-2 multiplayer, you have people hitting E and taking off right across the taxiways.  You want some guy spawning in on the fantail just as you roll into the groove?  Is there going to be an air boss or a “mother”, and who is that going to be? Some guy n this thread?  Are you going to have 50 aircraft strikes, or onesie, twosies flight of inebriated flyers (like me, lol?) just doing their own thing?  We once heard of a feature called “Air Marshall” and that could certainly address these things, but then you start having to deal with commanders and bosses and bozos and a level of organization that is not in keeping with IL-2’s kick-the-tires/light-the-fires accessibility.   OK for hardcore multiplayer DCS guys maybe, but I don’t see it working out well IL-2. 
 

If we are to have PTO it might just be better to continue in the spirit of small formation, short duration, land-based,day-to-day tactical ops where a couple of guys decide that they’re going to take out a train or patrol the front without any larger coordination and the football game on in the background. 

[Corralandy120000]

11 hours ago, FlyingShark said:

I have an idea.

Let them make a new map and planes that don't necessarily fit together but that fit in the bigger picture of the series.

Example: The map maker makes a map of Berlin, the guys who make planes make a Yak 3, an La 7 and a Ta 152 for that map. Other than those planes they also make an early P 38, a Fw 190 A4 (both for Normandy), an early P 40 (for Moscow) and  and a few others that don't fit on the new map but can find their place somewhere on the older maps.

Just a thought.

 

Have a nice day.

 

Actually, this ain't a bad idea at all when u consider runing out of planes' variants, this could be the way. Maybe it's allready foreshadowed by iar80 in development 

[Jackfraser24]

16 hours ago, Eisenfaustus said:

Possible German Planeset East 1945: Bf 109 G-10, Fw 190 A-9, Ju 87 D-5, Ju 188 + Ta 152 (Collector)

I agree with every plane you have listed here except for the Ju-87 D-5. I know whatever I post on this forum won’t have any outcome on the course of where Great Battles will be going but still, I can’t stress this enough. Kursk needs to be done. It was the largest aerial battle on the Eastern Front with 10s of 100s of aircraft fought on each side on a much bigger scale than Moscow, Stalingrad and Kuban (not combined). The Ju-87 D-5, as well as the IL-2 Type 3/3M, was a key aircraft that fought in prominent roles strafing and bombing small targets like tank columns, artillery columns, vehicle columns and airfields. 
 

Soviets

• IL-2 Type 3/3M (whichever one is not already in the game)
• LaGG3 series 33/66 (whichever one fought there)
• La-5F
• Pe-2 series 206
• Yak 9D

Axis

• Fw-190 A-4
• He-111 H-11 (if that sub variant fought there)
• Hs-129 B-1
• Ju-87 D-5
• Ju-88 A-14 (if that sub variant fought there)

 

If you think I’m being a little harsh on you or 1CGS, I’m sorry.

 

Edited September 15, 2022 by Jackfraser24

[Alexmarine]

[Jackfraser24]

1 hour ago, Alexmarine said:

Look to the Future!!!

Edited September 15, 2022 by Jackfraser24

[Corralandy120000]

If there have to be a new module to work on significant singleplayer impovements, so be it. But I'd like to hear from the devs there will be more focus on SP in future. 

 

Anyway, I'd like to see late war east, so I can fly full career in one unit some day (i.e. JG52). PTO or MTO isn't something I'm looking forward to until the main european fronts are covered (west is nearly done, so it's time to finish the east). 

And Korea: come on guys, there's DCS for this kind of stuff It's doing great job in this. 

Edited September 15, 2022 by Corralandy120000

[BOO]

34 minutes ago, Corralandy120000 said:

And Korea: come on guys, there's DCS for this kind of stuff It's doing great job in this. 

On what planet is DCS doing a great job of Korea? 2 aircraft both of which are neglected by the devs, no map, no assets other than limited WW2 allied carry overs and garbage netcode. 

12 hours ago, SeaSerpent said:

Well, I can see how carrier operations can work in an SP environment, with AI assigned missions, and lots of AI wingmen in a strike, but just going off of how multiplayer carrier ops work in DCS, there has got to be a major paradigm shift in IL-2 MP or it will be a disaster.  

 

OK for hardcore multiplayer DCS guys maybe, but I don’t see it working out well IL-2. 
 

USS Clusterf.........

[Corralandy120000]

1 hour ago, BOO said:

On what planet is DCS doing a great job of Korea? 2 aircraft both of which are neglected by the devs, no map, no assets other than limited WW2 allied carry overs and garbage netcode.

I mean Il2 was allways meant to be wwii sim, not Korea, Vietnam, Gulf war or whatever. Even in 1946 times everything beyond wwii was community stuff. I hope the devs will stick to this.

 

Edit: Korea and other similar project set in Il2 engine are cool idea in general. I get it. BUT the devs team seems to have already too small manpower to focus on something like this. I'd be better to finish the things which are already started (new fuel systems, droptanks, completeing wwii theatres etc.). As I see it, this kind of project would be cool, but if it's dobe by another team, so the original dev team could focus on thing what should be finished 

Edited September 15, 2022 by Corralandy120000

[BOO]

1 hour ago, Corralandy120000 said:

I mean Il2 was allways meant to be wwii sim, not Korea, Vietnam, Gulf war or whatever. Even in 1946 times everything beyond wwii was community stuff. I hope the devs will stick to this.

 

Edit: Korea and other similar project set in Il2 engine are cool idea in general. I get it. BUT the devs team seems to have already too small manpower to focus on something like this. I'd be better to finish the things which are already started (new fuel systems, droptanks, completeing wwii theatres etc.). As I see it, this kind of project would be cool, but if it's dobe by another team, so the original dev team could focus on thing what should be finished 

The counter to this of course is that IL2 can be what it wants. By the same metric it was supposed to be a Eastern Front oriented flight sim (hence the title) but developed much further. Save for boat splatting in the Pacific, another expansion into WW2 really only brings more of the same with different coloured scenery. Korea would be a nice gear shift I guess. And Korea isnt Vietnam or later - its much closer to WW2 tech wise. 

 

But (devils advocate)

 

I am ashamed to admit and my knowledge of Korea is limited but I cant see any scenario where carriers wouldnt be missed even with a rounded out ground based presence. Like WW2 and given the moving fronts and battle areas N and S, I assume more than 1 map would be needed. This then commits the devs to a series that may or may not prove popular. It also commits to a series where there is little in the way of new types, especially for the North Korean side.

 

When we come to the opposing forces one also has to question how popular flying against the allies would be?  Sure you got the Mig15 but what else? Tu2, IL-10, An2, and a few WW2 era Yaks and Lavochkins. Hardly enticing. By contrast, the allies would, by and large, be needing many new types F80, F82, F84 F86, F94, Invader and thats before one considers the RN and USN carrier based aircraft and before we get to AI transports and the mighty B29 (a kinda needed MIg bater). So then not only are we left with a huge development undertaking from the get go but one that many players wouldnt necessarly find appealing if the ole blue helmet or Mig v Sabre thing isnt their bag. I dunno, on paper, great idea, in practice though...?