Would releasing Fortresses and Focke Wulfs without VR put you off buying it?

[Guest deleted@424816]

I would definitely buy it. I'm not a VR user.

[354thFG_Leifr]

9 hours ago, Mysticpuma said:

Apparently there is a comprehensive questionnaire coming to ATAG soon in regards to this topic.

No more info. than that at this time.

 

That's cool, can't wait to fill in a survey, it will really satiate my appetite for Cliffs.

[marcost]

I wonder how many survey participants constitute a quorum in this instance

 

[Buffo002]

I've already written several times here on the forum that I don't understand people who criticize this game, that everything takes a long time and slowly scares other players, that who knows when more addons will be released for this great game. Now the TFS team has the longest road in development, because they have to cook a lot of effects, graphics, VR, sounds, single player mod and a lot of other things that the previous developers (the founders of the game) did not expect. It's like trying to push a square through a circle, they have to find a reduction of the old stuff to the new stuff to work well together... and that's the longest time. Once they fix these issues, I don't think future addons for this great game will be that long. I trust them and, as someone already mentioned here, I'm looking forward to the other addons that TFS announced to us about what they will cover. And although I already wrote it here, I would buy Fortresses and Focke Wulfs even without VR.

Edited October 29, 2024 by Buffo002

[No.54_Reddog]

The questionnaire will be interesting to see. As will the conclusions derived from it.

 

How big is the audience? And what's the statistically significant number of respondents. Recent threads here on the official forum have garnered responses from about 30-40 different names maybe? 

[BOO]

4 minutes ago, No.54_Reddog said:

The questionnaire will be interesting to see. As will the conclusions derived from it.

 

How big is the audience? And what's the statistically significant number of respondents. Recent threads here on the official forum have garnered responses from about 30-40 different names maybe? 

 

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[w00dy]

I only play the game in VR, so yes it would put me off. I would probably buy it when it goes on sale if they never implement VR.

[Buffo002]

5 minutes ago, w00dy said:

I only play the game in VR, so yes it would put me off. I would probably buy it when it goes on sale if they never implement VR.

As far as I know, while they promised VR (I don't mean in terms of time), the TFS team has been remaking all types of airplanes, or now even the old original airplanes (in the first official view from the previous creators), so they are now finishing them up, they are still working on them (maybe they already have them done I don't know, I don't follow it, I don't play VR, but I notice the comments around and especially from TFS) and of course on the new models what is to come now the new DLC with FW 190 and other planes. But believe that the current creators of TFS will definitely include VR among the new aircraft models. It would be stupid if only the DLC Tobrúk was in VR and not other machines. I don't play VR and I won't, ask someone here, there is definitely a community about VR and they will tell you what machines are currently in VR. But don't be intimidated by the scarecrows who say that the game is dead, it's nonsense, the developers simply have to go back to the beginning of the game (where VR and other effects that are to come were not considered) and dig through the whole game so that everything fits together and everything went smoothly... But believe me, VR will definitely be there even if it is later.

[1PL-Husar-1Esk]

2 minutes ago, Buffo002 said:

As fa believe that the current creators of TFS will definitely include VR among the new aircraft models. It would be stupid if only the DLC Tobrúk was in VR and not other machines. 

You can't make a VR for one DLC and not to whole game which includes all DLSs and original game because it use the same game/graphic engine.

[Buffo002]

5 minutes ago, 1PL-Husar-1Esk said:

You can't make a VR for one DLC and not to whole game which includes all DLSs and original game because it use the same game/graphic engine.

I know, I was just responding to w00dy who claimed that they will never include VR in the new DLC. That's why I told him that it's nonsense, that VR will definitely be there.

Read the links carefully who they are for  

Edited October 30, 2024 by Buffo002

[1PL-Husar-1Esk]

5 minutes ago, Buffo002 said:

who say that the game is dead, it's nonsense

There is just a general and common statement when  player base is low. For sure not having active development would make this general assumption stronger.

[Buffo002]

3 minutes ago, 1PL-Husar-1Esk said:

There is just a general and common statement when  player base is low. For sure not having active development would make this general assumption stronger.

Yes, but they are working on it. I've written here several times that they're redoing the whole game from scratch with new coding, VR, 4K graphics, True Sky and a bunch of other things that weren't included in the base game from the previous developers. How many times has it been said, I'd rather start a job from scratch than fix something after someone else, because those repairs take longer than starting from scratch. But the fact that nothing has been updated for a long time does not mean that the game is dead. It's true that I haven't played CoD for a long time, but I'd rather wait until a new DLC or a big addon comes out with changes. But the question is when will it be, they are just too busy, so play other games in the meantime and be patient. I'd rather wait, but not stop playing this game.  And if the TFS team were to end it, they wouldn't publish additional addons for the future Malta and Sicily, another map of Africa, etc. And above all, don't let anyone write that the addons will be in 10 years, nonsense, because they are working on those things , which the previous developers didn't have in the game, that's why it lasts (new coding, VR, 4K graphics, True Sky and a lot of other things). If these modifications were already in the base game, or at least most of them, there would already be a new addon for sale with VR.   

[No.54_Reddog]

You writing here multiple times, and making statements like "believe me" and "it's nonsense" doesn't exactly translate into reality though does it?

 

TFS have announced lots of lofty ambitions. So far they're no closer to being delivered than they were when they were announced.

[1PL-Husar-1Esk]

19 minutes ago, Buffo002 said:

so play other games in the meantime and be patient. I'd rather wait, but not stop playing this game

I think majority of of us who bought Blitz/Tobruk are doing exactly this. 

I think ppl don't think that if those new futures and content will finly arrives it will change the Cliffs scene significantly. Unfortunately I think the best time is now before new titles arrives and take majority of players there. One can believe that cliffs have potential to at least have multiplayer numbers as currently GB has. I will buy it but how it gonna work out in the end is a  big unknown and risky.

[BladeMeister]

26 minutes ago, No.54_Reddog said:

TFS have announced lots of lofty ambitions. So far they're no closer to being delivered than they were when they were announced.

Actually one would logically have to assume that TFS is closer to delivering what they announced at the beginning when they announced it. The problem there in lies the lack of PR to actually let the various communities know what progress they have made.

There in we come full circle back to the source of general discontentedness with the lengthy process of TFS's F&F Ds DLC development. I would simply love to know whether TFS is going to release anything in December or will this DLC release be pushed into 2025?

 

S!Blade<><

[Mysticpuma]

I'm hoping they get over the line, and I think in fairness they will. Time is the issue. Waiting another 2-3 years for VR I don't see as an issue (because selfishly I don't need it), especially if they can get the VU out. Genuinely having played around in the 'True'skies, the lighting and clouds adds so much to the game. Also the 'Insane' buildings level on the ground which eliminates pop-up is just amazing to see in action. I have posted these images before (which have to be okayed to show), but in case anyone missed them, this is what can be achieved on a 10-year-old PC, running an Intel i6700K @ 3.2ghz, 16gb of DDR4 Ram and an Asus Rog Strix 1070GTX card, all at 4K with all setting on max (except distant shadows).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Truesky does make a huge difference as can be seen in this video I showed before also....there are a ridiculous amount of options.

 

 

And I'll also say, the ground has improved immensely in the year since I posted this:

 

 

In a way, I hope the team can get FaF out the door, fix VR and then maybe just consider a map expansion at a reduced cost with very little new model content added, as I really want to see Malta come to fruition.

 

Hopefully the questionnaire will come soon and give hope of a sooner rather than later release.

Cheers, Mysticpuma

[w00dy]

1 hour ago, Buffo002 said:

I know, I was just responding to w00dy who claimed that they will never include VR in the new DLC. 

 

I never said that, please read my quote again. I wondered why their was a wall of text regarding my quote.

[Buffo002]

6 minutes ago, w00dy said:

 

I never said that, please read my quote again. I wondered why their was a wall of text regarding my quote.

I'm sorry, I must have translated it wrongly.

[Buffo002]

1 hour ago, 1PL-Husar-1Esk said:

I think majority of of us who bought Blitz/Tobruk are doing exactly this. 

I think ppl don't think that if those new futures and content will finly arrives it will change the Cliffs scene significantly. Unfortunately I think the best time is now before new titles arrives and take majority of players there. One can believe that cliffs have potential to at least have multiplayer numbers as currently GB has. I will buy it but how it gonna work out in the end is a  big unknown and risky.

I think that it is being dealt with unnecessarily. It just depends on each individual if they buy it without VR or with VR and it's up to everyone how often they play CoD now. I personally don't play VR or Online. That's why I don't play the game that much now, I'm waiting for the new DLC and if I'm lucky enough to improve the single player, where in each static campaign the number of downed planes, ground targets, etc. would be displayed. But I say it's everyone's business and I think it's already solves It's just the way it is and you have to wait, otherwise it won't work. I'd rather wait for something that will work than to argue or the game crashes. (now I don't mean VR) but true sky, 4K graphics, etc. But even if it was only for sale DLC without VR, I'll take it. That's all there is to writing the same thing over and over again.

[No.54_Reddog]

1 hour ago, BladeMeister said:

Actually one would logically have to assume that TFS is closer to delivering what they announced at the beginning when they announced it. The problem there in lies the lack of PR to actually let the various communities know what progress they have made.

There in we come full circle back to the source of general discontentedness with the lengthy process of TFS's F&F Ds DLC development. I would simply love to know whether TFS is going to release anything in December or will this DLC release be pushed into 2025?

 

S!Blade<><

True. To a point. If they announce something and in some point in the future they actually release something, then any given point between those two was closer. If they don't release anything....and right now I'm not willing to put any money on that.

[BENKOE]

22 hours ago, Blitzen said:

Oh boy- A questionnaire...I LOVE doing a questionnaire! It always makes me think I'm accomplishing something , even if I'm not...

 

Delete 'questionnaire' and replace with 'Team Fusion Bug Tracker'. 💯

[Buffo002]

I don't understand what you are still dealing with here and that TFS keeps promising and not keeping the release dates. After all, other games, not just simulators, do not meet release dates. Almost every time, the release date of the games is pushed to a later date. But as I say, it depends on the individual, either they buy it or not, but I don't understand why a lot of other things are being discussed here that have nothing to do with the question. A simple answer is enough, buy without VR or don't buy with VR and state the reason if you want to write it, so why solve so many things and slander TFS...

[Dagwoodyt]

 

I don't know that better visuals will reverse this long slide. Unless there is a secret F&FD beta happening now, that DLC may be years away from release. I have no doubt that if I were a member of TFS I would counsel patience from anyone who is still paying attention.

[Enceladus828]

18 hours ago, Buffo002 said:

I've already written several times here on the forum that I don't understand people who criticize this game, that everything takes a long time and slowly scares other players, that who knows when more addons will be released for this great game. Now the TFS team has the longest road in development, because they have to cook a lot of effects, graphics, VR, sounds, single player mod and a lot of other things that the previous developers (the founders of the game) did not expect.

Exactly. Regardless, we’ll still get FaFw and the Night bombing DLC along with the flyable B-17E and Lancaster within a span of two years from now. We have a much better idea of TFS’ future plans than 1CGS with Korea and the Pacific and they along with Jason are meeting flight simmer demands by giving us flyable heavies.

 

4 hours ago, Buffo002 said:

And if the TFS team were to end it, they wouldn't publish additional addons for the future Malta and Sicily, another map of Africa, etc.

Personally, I think people should just be glad that we’re even getting Dieppe, 1940-42 Night bombing campaign installments and El Alamein, Malta and a NW Europe map are even in the plans. Currently there is DCS, IL-2 GBs/Korea, IL-2 Dover and Combat Pilot for high fidelity combat flight sims, each of which has completely different plans. After Korea there will be a Pacific installment and probably many more before they decide to return to Europe, Combat Pilot is entirely focused on the Pacific, so if TFS packs it in then don’t expect the other two or DCS to immediately jump over to cover the MTO.

[Buffo002]

1 hour ago, Dagwoodyt said:

 

I don't know that better visuals will reverse this long slide. Unless there is a secret F&FD beta happening now, that DLC may be years away from release. I have no doubt that if I were a member of TFS I would counsel patience from anyone who is still paying attention.

You don't need to show stats from Steam, every gamer knows that a lot of people stopped playing it now. According to the answers that some wrote here (and there are fewer of them than there are CoD players, so I think there would be more purchase opinions without VR) they are simply waiting for the new DLC even if the TFS team offers it without VR. And I say VR is just one new thing out of many other things they are working on too...  

Edited October 30, 2024 by Buffo002

[5th_Barone]

1 hour ago, Buffo002 said:

You don't need to show stats from Steam, every gamer knows that a lot of people stopped playing it now. According to the answers that some wrote here (and there are fewer of them than there are CoD players, so I think there would be more purchase opinions without VR) they are simply waiting for the new DLC even if the TFS team offers it without VR. And I say VR is just one new thing out of many other things they are working on too...  

Question: How long have you been playing clod?

[Art-J]

Can participate in a survey, though its idea is a bit flawed. I'm a pancake user and it's not going to change in forseeable future, so my vote isn't going to be objective, is it?

[Dagwoodyt]

1 hour ago, Art-J said:

Can participate in a survey, though its idea is a bit flawed. I'm a pancake user and it's not going to change in forseeable future, so my vote isn't going to be objective, is it?

I don't know that a survey limited to ATAG would represent a paragon of objectivity.😉

[Art-J]

Limited in a sense that only ATAG group members will be able to vote? I might have misunderstood then. Thought it was about all members registered at their website. Well, problem solved then as I'm not part of that squad 😄.

 

The flaw remains though - VR-only users and pancake-only users will have their own heavily skewed perceptions about the issue discussed here. The more objective rest, ie. guys who switch between both on regular basis, are probably single digit minority here.

[Dagwoodyt]

48 minutes ago, Art-J said:

Thought it was about all members registered at their website.

Exactly. The registration process pretty much assures limited participation by "outsiders". Maybe I've missed the "survey" announcement on Steam.

[Buffo002]

On 10/30/2024 at 6:40 PM, 5th_Barone said:

Question: How long have you been playing clod?

Since the beginning of the release. Even before the TFS team took over. Simply from the original developers, including Oleg. A lot of mods were used then, as well as programs for dynamic campaigns ... for example: these were the programs, at least as far as I know ... IL2DCE-0.2.1.306.exe, dynamiccampaign20, AirWarfare Setup 0.4.190.15 and I still have some installed, but it's a shame that the creators of these dynamic campaigns didn't release any more expansions, they only used planes from the first basic edition of CoD, there aren't even machines that took over the game CoD Blitz, and not even Tobruk, it was the years 2011 - 2013. So since the founding members left the game, I'm waiting and I believe that one day the single player will be completed, mainly separate statistics for each static campaign in the game. And it's been many years and someone here still complains about a few years of VR  And it's not just about VR... What do I know about players who are looking forward to True sky, 4K graphics, whether terrain or aircraft models , new better sounds and other effects that TFS is preparing, I haven't heard anyone complain about when it will finally be released, all I know is that maybe someone asked something in time, but politely and without insults. So I'm not a CoD newbie or that I've been here for a while. Just from the very beginning when the game was born on CD and bonus CD (or DVD)  

 

 

And I still have the original CoD (active) installed in Steam where I had purchased campaigns from Desastersoft. I'm sure I'm not the only one who used to buy it. Of course, I don't use the old CoD anymore, I would erase my files, but thanks to that I copied all the skins from Desastersoft and edited the campaigns, although it was in the style of trial and error, but I'm glad that even though I had to edit it in an insanely complicated way, I somehow managed to they somehow saved and they work 98%, but I don't mind a small error.
I own enough, I think, that all the ones that Desastersoft released back then, it's a shame that they no longer exist or don't make campaigns for CoD Blitz.

Products:

 01. FA_Wick_Dundas_en
 02. Adolf_Galland
 03. setup_CB_bob_de
 04. Werner Molders

And every product had enough campaigns, really enough. It was great. For players like me single player.   

Edited November 1, 2024 by Buffo002

[Blitzen]

On 10/29/2024 at 10:31 AM, Enceladus828 said:

Bull hockey! Deadlines may slip but saying that this game dying would be a gratitude is ridiculous. This is the only chance we have of getting a fleshed out Western Front from 1941 to late 1943 and a fleshed out MTO. To my knowledge those aspects of WW2 have barely been scratched in WW2 combat flight sims except for War Thunder and IL-2 1946 Mods. Right now 1CGS is focused on Korea and then after that a Pacific battle, and probably several more Pacific battles. That will likely bring us to the mid-2030s by the time they decide to return to Europe. If they do it will probably be the Invasion of Sicily. If the devs had followed Jason's plan we would probably have a Battle of Sicily installment with a flyable B-25 and aircraft that can be used during and in the lead up to D-Day. The only other game of this fidelity is Combat Pilot which looks to be only focused on the Pacific, so as I said, CloD is the only chance we have of a mid-war Western Front and a fleshed out MTO (El Alamein and Malta). I wouldn't want to blow it.

 

One can argue that we won't see TF 7.0 and 8.0 until 2029 and 2033 respectively so you do realize that you can start up your own sim to cover those places within a span of 10 years.

Oh , I wish somehow I had been able to save those third party Desastersoft campaigns - they were great but disappeared from my PC somewhere along the way....sigh..

[5th_Barone]

On 11/1/2024 at 4:47 PM, Buffo002 said:

Since the beginning of the release. Even before the TFS team took over. Simply from the original developers, including Oleg. A lot of mods were used then, as well as programs for dynamic campaigns ... for example: these were the programs, at least as far as I know ... IL2DCE-0.2.1.306.exe, dynamiccampaign20, AirWarfare Setup 0.4.190.15 and I still have some installed, but it's a shame that the creators of these dynamic campaigns didn't release any more expansions, they only used planes from the first basic edition of CoD, there aren't even machines that took over the game CoD Blitz, and not even Tobruk, it was the years 2011 - 2013. So since the founding members left the game, I'm waiting and I believe that one day the single player will be completed, mainly separate statistics for each static campaign in the game. And it's been many years and someone here still complains about a few years of VR  And it's not just about VR... What do I know about players who are looking forward to True sky, 4K graphics, whether terrain or aircraft models , new better sounds and other effects that TFS is preparing, I haven't heard anyone complain about when it will finally be released, all I know is that maybe someone asked something in time, but politely and without insults. So I'm not a CoD newbie or that I've been here for a while. Just from the very beginning when the game was born on CD and bonus CD (or DVD)  

 

 

And I still have the original CoD (active) installed in Steam where I had purchased campaigns from Desastersoft. I'm sure I'm not the only one who used to buy it. Of course, I don't use the old CoD anymore, I would erase my files, but thanks to that I copied all the skins from Desastersoft and edited the campaigns, although it was in the style of trial and error, but I'm glad that even though I had to edit it in an insanely complicated way, I somehow managed to they somehow saved and they work 98%, but I don't mind a small error.
I own enough, I think, that all the ones that Desastersoft released back then, it's a shame that they no longer exist or don't make campaigns for CoD Blitz.

Products:

 01. FA_Wick_Dundas_en
 02. Adolf_Galland
 03. setup_CB_bob_de
 04. Werner Molders

And every product had enough campaigns, really enough. It was great. For players like me single player.   

Oh you're a SP, ok that's explain why.

 

You see, I asked because I wanted to explain that the term "dead game" in the case of clod is imho a result of the totally empty servers since TF5 onwards. Almost 8 years ago we had ppl playing even of working nights, not talking of the Sunday evenings where you had the 3 main servers SOW/ACG/ATAG full and alive.

 

[56RAF_Stickz]

Yes instant buy, but as others its a little biassed as will never use VR

[RedTooClodo]

Would I buy it? Of course.

[giftgruen]

-1

without VR = not interesting for me

( guarantees - well - then i'd buy it later on as soon as guarantees proved to be true )

[1PL-Husar-1Esk]

I don't need VR to buy. I own headset and do have VR capable PC but VR is not essential for me. 

[Snowdon]

On 10/27/2024 at 1:54 AM, Mysticpuma said:

Unofficial question, just wondering what players thoughts are if TFS offer to release Truesky, Speedtree and the rest of the visual update (along with the paid for content) without VR, with the promise that VR will follow at a later date?

 

[Guest deleted@424816]

I don't need VR to buy the game. I have no use for VR nor for MP. But I will only buy it after a dynamic campaign is added, either internal or external to the project.

Edited November 6, 2024 by Cardolan

[Mysticpuma]

12 minutes ago, Cardolan said:

I don't need VR to buy the game. I have no use for VR nor for MP. But I will only buy it after a dynamic campaign is added, either internal or external to the project.

That already exists externally by TheOden.