6 weeks to go......

[Mysticpuma]

So, where are we now in the progress to a December release (at latest)?

 

Any footage of the B-17, FW190, P51A in game? Any update on Truesky fully working and integrated? Any news on the VR fixed and working? Any news of a fully integrated Speedtree? Any news on any of the content completed and working in-game.

 

No doubt I will be shown disdain for daring to ask any questions of the team,  but with 3/4 of the year gone, a few screen shots shared....what is actually left for TFS to complete for the team to meet a deadline they set?

 

Let's be honest, in a vacuum where we have hoped for information, still nothing is given from TFS apart from a questionnaire may be posted on the ATAG forum.

 

I await the usual "patience", "it will come when it comes", "they are volunteers ", etc, etc, yeah, we know. What we don't know is how realistic is December for V6, with the full visual update, Speedtree, Truesky, VR and all the content promised?

 

Personally based on the dearth of promotional content, pictures, video, text, anything at all showing progress, it really feels like December 2025 will be the next suggested target.

 

Is it unfair to ask for an update with so little time left before the expected release?

 

Oh and in advance of "why the negativity?" posts which are likely to come, no it isn't negativity. It's a question for the team, and surprisingly, why would forum users be vilified for actually still being here and waiting for any news. Just think, with so few players, so few forum posts, so few forum users still getting involved....the one's asking questions are one's who can still be bothered to be here.

Edited October 17, 2024 by Mysticpuma
Getting closer to reality

[Cloyd]

As a CloD fanboi since before day one and as an offline player, I've come to accept that CloD is...

 

 

...irrelevant.

[Dagwoodyt]

Most likely the Fall Poll will represent a face-saving way to gift wrap bad news. I can't envision Fulqrum making business decisions based on an ATAG poll.😶

[BladeMeister]

Stop holding your breath MP, you don't look very nice in that shade of blue Sir.

 

S!Blade<><

[Mysticpuma]

3 minutes ago, BladeMeister said:

Stop holding your breath MP, you don't look very nice in that shade of blue Sir.

 

S!Blade<><

[Enceladus828]

Well guys within two years we’ll have a flyable B-17 and Lancaster, something that to my knowledge hasn’t been officially included in a WW2 combat flight sim since the Firepower expansion for CFS3 back in 2004. That to me is epic! And the largest plane 1CGS will have to offer in that timeframe is an AI B-29.

 

I’m totally fine with a slightly delayed TF 6.0 release but an advanced TF 6.5 release though I totally understand others’ frustration.

[Dagwoodyt]

The word grandiose comes to mind.

[BladeMeister]

All kidding aside, TFS will get there. This year? Maybe??? Who knows. Hell, If TFS would just release a patch that would correct the AI's insane roll rate and hurky jerky close in evasive flying, or at least tame it down a bit, I would be as happy as a hog in slop. There is no harm in asking MP. Someone was going to do it, and you have really turned up your diplomatic disposition in the last couple of years so I think that was a pretty polite inquiry. Who knows, maybe Buzzsaw will pop in and shed some light as we are on the run down to the wire. I have always wanted new COD content for Christmas. Maybe this is the year?

 

S!Blade<><

Edited September 19, 2024 by BladeMeister

[Tonester]

Hows that Supertramp song go?…oh thats it..’Dreamer…youre nothin but a dreamer….’…TFS…promising the world, and delivering an Atlas for close to a decade….🤣🤣🤣

[354thFG_Leifr]

10 hours ago, Enceladus828 said:

Well guys within two years we’ll have a flyable B-17 and Lancaster, something that to my knowledge hasn’t been officially included in a WW2 combat flight sim since the Firepower expansion for CFS3 back in 2004. That to me is epic! And the largest plane 1CGS will have to offer in that timeframe is an AI B-29.

 

I’m totally fine with a slightly delayed TF 6.0 release but an advanced TF 6.5 release though I totally understand others’ frustration.

 

Will we? 😬

[LLv34_Flanker]

S!

 

While it has been a long wait and propably will be delayed I am not bothered really. What I agree on what is posted is that TFS could post something to keep interest up. Again hyping will not help either. 

 

What could be done, if possible at all(resources, time etc), is to release patches that fix/improve things and are not affecting 6.0. Does not need to be graphics or anything, just bug fixes/ improvements etc. That alone would keep interest up better than nothing at all.

 

Again TFS does release things as it sees fit so have to live with that. 

[Dagwoodyt]

I would review the TFS Note of August 14, 2020 and compare its' aspirations to what has been delivered as of this date. As time passes those aspirations of August 2020 appear increasingly grandiose. The question is whether there is a similar touch of the grandiose in supposing that trueSKY and Speedtree 8/9 could be made to work with a VR implementation of the CloD game engine. If development is still not going according to plan it seems unlikely that there is incentive for communication with customers to increase. So by the end of 2024 we might read that Simul and/or Speedtree have somehow failed to satisfy TFS' needs and thus projects will be delayed accordingly.

[jdu]

57 minutes ago, Dagwoodyt said:

I would review the TFS Note of August 14, 2020 and compare its' aspirations to what has been delivered as of this date. As time passes those aspirations of August 2020 appear increasingly grandiose. The question is whether there is a similar touch of the grandiose in supposing that trueSKY and Speedtree 8/9 could be made to work with a VR implementation of the CloD game engine. If development is still not going according to plan it seems unlikely that there is incentive for communication with customers to increase. So by the end of 2024 we might read that Simul and/or Speedtree have somehow failed to satisfy TFS' needs and thus projects will be delayed accordingly.

Why not apply to TFS as Communication Manager?

Ho, I got it!  You should change the form and content of your speech...

[Mysticpuma]

4 hours ago, jdu said:

Why not apply to TFS as Communication Manager?

Ho, I got it!  You should change the form and content of your speech...

They have had a few over the years,  ultimately if the communication managers don't get any material to share, they don't need a communication manager 🙃

[Dagwoodyt]

Which of the planned game improvements have been brought to market since August 2020?

[No.54_Reddog]

5 hours ago, jdu said:

Why not apply to TFS as Communication Manager?

Ho, I got it!  You should change the form and content of your speech...

Anyone with any self respect wouldn't touch that gig with a barge pole and I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy.

 

I think it's fair to say that we all knew as soon as some deadlines were given they had been plucked out of thin air and there was zero chance of them being fulfilled, just like every single deadline Buzzsaw has ever made.

 

Some are happy to wait, some aren't, and some have departed this plane of existence with promises unfulfilled. It's quite some legacy Buzzsaw has achieved.

[jdu]

Instead of constantly complaining about the lack of communication or the ever-postponed deadlines, why not join the TFS team?
I'm sure you (all of you) have lots of ideas and talents that would be put to good uses.
You're like those people who complain about their government but don't bother to vote or get involved in politics.

5 hours ago, Mysticpuma said:

They have had a few over the years,  ultimately if the communication managers don't get any material to share, they don't need a communication manager 🙃

Reading their verbiage, I'm sure some people here will always find something to say even if there's nothing to say. 😁

[Dagwoodyt]

The Lollipop and two other ships' names come immediately to mind🤔

[BOO]

4 hours ago, jdu said:

Instead of constantly complaining about the lack of communication or the ever-postponed deadlines, why not join the TFS team?
I'm sure you (all of you) have lots of ideas and talents that would be put to good uses.
You're like those people who complain about their government but don't bother to vote or get involved in politics.

Reading their verbiage, I'm sure some people here will always find something to say even if there's nothing to say. 😁

 

I'd brush up on your history with this title before spouting off. 

 

19 hours ago, LLv34_Flanker said:

S!

 

While it has been a long wait and propably will be delayed I am not bothered really. What I agree on what is posted is that TFS could post something to keep interest up. Again hyping will not help either. 

 

What could be done, if possible at all(resources, time etc), is to release patches that fix/improve things and are not affecting 6.0. Does not need to be graphics or anything, just bug fixes/ improvements etc. That alone would keep interest up better than nothing at all.

 

 

 

+1

[Zooropa_Fly]

Maybe they shouldn't have bothered jumping on the VR bandwagon and concentrated on game content ?

Could have rehashed the UI..

[Dagwoodyt]

1 hour ago, Zooropa_Fly said:

Maybe they shouldn't have bothered jumping on the VR bandwagon and concentrated on game content ?

Could have rehashed the UI..

 

This seems to be how things actually work. It's a kicking of the can down the road to some "unclear" insertion point.

[Mysticpuma]

13 hours ago, jdu said:

Instead of constantly complaining about the lack of communication or the ever-postponed deadlines, why not join the TFS team?
I'm sure you (all of you) have lots of ideas and talents that would be put to good uses.
You're like those people who complain about their government but don't bother to vote or get involved in politics.

Reading their verbiage, I'm sure some people here will always find something to say even if there's nothing to say. 😁

 

Unfortunately it seems you must be new here, if you aren't,  I have to assume you have been living under a rock.

A lot of people posting on here (probably the ones who can still be bothered), have been part of TFS, I guess that's why we are interested and frustrated to see what has become of it.

 

I often did find something to say when there was nothing to say.....but eventually,  when the team aren't communicating with each other, there really is nothing more that can be done and there was "nothing to say".

But, this detracts from the point of the post.....3 months to go....is anything happening?

[Dagwoodyt]

Just seems very unserious to try to piggyback a recruitment effort onto an MP thread that requests info on status of advertised game updates. There are literally weeks that go by with no new posts. Where is the recruiter during all that "dead" time?

[jdu]

38 minutes ago, Dagwoodyt said:

Just seems very unserious to try to piggyback a recruitment effort onto an MP thread that requests info on status of advertised game updates. There are literally weeks that go by with no new posts. Where is the recruiter during all that "dead" time?

Instead of waiting for it to fall into your lap, you can take the initiative.  Of course, this requires a personal investment...

[Enceladus828]

27 minutes ago, jdu said:

Instead of waiting for it to fall into your lap, you can take the initiative.  Of course, this requires a personal investment...

100% and doesn't cost you anything except time. Buzzsaw declared: "Some areas of development, (for example Maps) do not require high level coding or graphics knowledge once the initial bump mapped structure is created.  All that is required is a good working knowledge of the game's Full Mission Builder."

 

[Dagwoodyt]

How many new recruits to make the TFS December 2024 timeline a reality?🤔

[jdu]

1 hour ago, Dagwoodyt said:

How many new recruits to make the TFS December 2024 timeline a reality?🤔

 

I agree, it's beter to grumble and complain instead of joining in the effort and then say that it won't make any difference for the next three months.
As Enceladus said, it costs nothing to offer your help and try to move the schmilblick forward.
Of course, if one can't do anything, it's better not to.
To motivate you: "Sometimes it's the people no one imagines doing the things no one can imagine."

[Enceladus828]

2 hours ago, Dagwoodyt said:

How many new recruits to make the TFS December 2024 timeline a reality?🤔

Well do you have skill with 3D modelling? Do you have experience with the Mission Editor… even with the 1946 one? The two are quite similar so if you made missions in IL-2 1946 you shouldn’t have issue with the one in CloD. New recruits with making the maps would make future installments be released within a given timeframe a reality 🙂

[Dagwoodyt]

 

Wonder what it's like to work at the lowest level of that pyramid🤔

[Lorena_Scout]

why this guy is still here? toxic asf 

[Mysticpuma]

Okay, rather than making another set of attempts to get this thread locked....can we lay off the personal attacks and discuss.... 3 months and what do we actually know?

[DD_Arthur]

52 minutes ago, Mysticpuma said:

Okay, rather than making another set of attempts to get this thread locked....can we lay off the personal attacks and discuss.... 3 months and what do we actually know?

 

Is there an actual PR person for TFS at all these days?  

I've lost track. They all seem to be announced for the job and then immediately go off on a business trip to the Kuiper Belt.

 

[BOO]

6 hours ago, Mysticpuma said:

Okay, rather than making another set of attempts to get this thread locked....can we lay off the personal attacks and discuss.... 3 months and what do we actually know?

 

I dont think we will know anything more that we do until the Poll and whatever words are posted alongside it. That appears to be the next waypoint for TFS. Attempts to force TFS to break to break cover so close to it are very noble and all but always end in name calling and frustration being expressed. Well rehearsed arguments on both sides.  Already one post has been removed for its content.

 

The argument to join TFS or shut up is silly. Most, probably all, of us here still are not coders. And thats what the game needs more of. Not mission editors, map makers or 3D artists. The bus needs drivers, not more passengers. Progress to date should make that point all too apparent. The game appears constipated with 3d models waiting to be coded into it,  still beset by many bugz in the code that there is already precious little time to investigate and strainig under the burden of trying to make a dodgy code work with different technology that also bring its own issues. 

 

So perhaps we know all we needs to know already. There's just too much to do with too few to do it and no money available to change it as quickly as we hoped and some optimistically predicted.  

 

 

 

 

[Missionbug]

6 hours ago, DD_Arthur said:

 

Is there an actual PR person for TFS at all these days?  

I've lost track. They all seem to be announced for the job and then immediately go off on a business trip to the Kuiper Belt.

 

 

Not sure, usually Buzzsaw will anounce any news that is relevant for those of us waiting for news, however,  it has to first be given the all clear by the actual owners of the sim as to what and when any information is posted out on the forum.

 

Take care and be safe.

 

Wishing you all the very best, Pete.

 

 

Edited September 21, 2024 by Missionbug

[354thFG_Leifr]

I am excited to fly in a B17 with VR by Christmas, three months to go - excited! 😍

[BOO]

57 minutes ago, Missionbug said:

 

 it has to first be given the all clear by the actual owners of the sim

 

 

I cant help but get the impression that those owners are more akin to absentee landlords, land banking their assets and ignoring the rising damp. But thats been the case forever. 

[No.54_Reddog]

On 9/20/2024 at 1:56 AM, jdu said:

Instead of constantly complaining about the lack of communication or the ever-postponed deadlines, why not join the TFS team?
I'm sure you (all of you) have lots of ideas and talents that would be put to good uses.
You're like those people who complain about their government but don't bother to vote or get involved in politics.

Reading their verbiage, I'm sure some people here will always find something to say even if there's nothing to say. 😁

 

Just out of interest, is the reason you've not joined TFS your lack of talents , your lack of ideas or your acceptance that all is fine? 

14 minutes ago, BOO said:

 

I cant help but get the impression that those owners are more akin to absentee landlords, land banking their assets and ignoring the rising damp. But thats been the case forever. 

Agreed. I can't imagine if they had any financial skin in the game we would be in the position we are.

[BENKOE]

3 hours ago, 356thFS_Leifr said:

I am excited to fly in a B17 with VR by Christmas, three months to go - excited! 😍

YES. But, please in a snowy winter wonderland with correct  15 degrees Celsius ground temperature like in 1940 ... 🤓

[Dawson]

6 hours ago, No.54_Reddog said:

 

Just out of interest, is the reason you've not joined TFS your lack of talents , your lack of ideas or your acceptance that all is fine?

I believe you're mistaken about this.

 

Edited September 21, 2024 by Dawson

[jdu]

6 hours ago, No.54_Reddog said:

 

Just out of interest, is the reason you've not joined TFS your lack of talents , your lack of ideas or your acceptance that all is fine? 

 

I don't know.  Probably all of them.
Wait...  With your background, you could apply to TFS.
Weren't you the ones talking about relaunching Storm of War on CloD?
Many of us were enthusiastic about the idea.  Too bad it stayed in our imagination.
Technical restrictions perhaps, or character incompatibility?  It doesn't matter because there's a way to fix it, right?
Sometimes it's good to forget the past and move forward.