IL-2 4th Generation Future Titles

[LukeFF]

2 hours ago, Jackfraser24 said:

I like your logic, but I think they will do Midway because it was too much of an important battle to leave out. 

They’ll have to do an Eastern Front battle at some point. You can’t have an IL-2 series without an IL-2. I mean yes, you do have CLod, but I don’t think it had that IL-2 flavour without the IL-2 plane.

 

Let's please keep the speculation about CP and its producer out of this conversation, thanks.

[Enceladus828]

5 hours ago, BraveSirRobin said:

So you think they’re likely to do Italy or Russia even if they get far less support on this forum than more planes or Channel map?  Good luck with that.

Dude, the WW1 crowd was enough to sustain RoF development till 2012, during which the Channel Map was added and 1C approached 777 to make BoS, and then enough to have more planes and another map added. That crowd was enough for 4 FC installments plus 2 collectors to be made. And honestly, if sales weren’t doing so good would they really have bothered to model Paris for FC4?

 

WW1 content has sold well enough that adding more planes and maps — two-seaters and the 3 aforementioned maps — would be financially viable.

[Jackfraser24]

19 minutes ago, LukeFF said:

 

Let's please keep the speculation about CP and its producer out of this conversation, thanks.

Sorry about that. No disrespects meant.

[Mysticpuma]

Personally I really want to see a modern game engine take on Malta, the MTO and Africa. 

The Pacific, I assume will be Midway due to less land mass, but Guadalcanal and/or The Solomons is something I'd like to see.

 

Additionally I would also like airfield conditions to be far less clinical. 

Check out this video (starts at the main example), of some conditions pilots faced in the Aleutions.

 

 

[Gambit21]

2 hours ago, Jackfraser24 said:

I like your logic, but I think they will do Midway because it was too much of an important battle to leave out. 

They’ll have to do an Eastern Front battle at some point. You can’t have an IL-2 series without an IL-2. I mean yes, you do have CLod, but I don’t think it had that IL-2 flavour without the IL-2 plane.

 

I predicted New Guinea already, and I'm sticking with that.

 

[BraveSirRobin]

1 hour ago, Enceladus828 said:

Dude, the WW1 crowd was enough to sustain RoF development till 2012, during which the Channel Map was added and 1C approached 777 to make BoS, and then enough to have more planes and another map added. That crowd was enough for 4 FC installments plus 2 collectors to be made. And honestly, if sales weren’t doing so good would they really have bothered to model Paris for FC4?

 

WW1 content has sold well enough that adding more planes and maps — two-seaters and the 3 aforementioned maps — would be financially viable.

Yes, I’m sure FC sales are doing great.  Well, except for you.  I wonder why they don’t have any plans to do the Channel map?

[Enceladus828]

53 minutes ago, BraveSirRobin said:

Yes, I’m sure FC sales are doing great.  Well, except for you.  I wonder why they don’t have any plans to do the Channel map?

My guess is that since GBs and by extension FC is no longer in house for the devs, they won’t have the time after FC4 and Odessa and Karelia are released to divert considerable resources away from Korea to check the planes, map and create the Pilot Career for the Channel Map. Any future WW1 installments would have to be made in the Korea engine… starting with Italy.

Edited September 26, 2024 by Enceladus828

[BraveSirRobin]

9 minutes ago, Enceladus828 said:

My guess is that since GBs and by extension FC is no longer in house for the devs, they won’t have the time after FC4 and Odessa and Karelia are released to divert considerable resources away from Korea to check the planes, map and create the Pilot Career for the Channel Map. Any future WW1 installments would have to be made in the Korea engine… starting with Italy.

Yes, I’m sure they’ll do Italy right after Korea is done and before they do a Channel map.  Can’t wait for the announcement!!!

 

It would be the first thing they do that I would not even consider buying, but the announcement should be epic!

Edited September 26, 2024 by BraveSirRobin

[Jackfraser24]

2 hours ago, Gambit21 said:

 

I predicted New Guinea already, and I'm sticking with that.

 

And I respect that. By the way I think you are right about New Guinea. I don’t think it will cover the entire island but I do think that it will cover the Bismarck coast, and adjacent islands such as New Guinea, New Britain, New Ireland, and Rabaul. I think that it would sell really well. Only time will tell. It was a lengthy campaign, which is good for Pilot career mode, and a variety of different plane types flew thousands of sorties in that area. The geography would also be interesting, being a mix of tropical rainforests, mountains, lowlands, volcanoes and oceans. 
 

Possible Plane List

• A6M3 (1942)
• G4M1 Model 11 (1941)
• Ki-43-II Kai (1943)
• Ki-45 Kai Hei (1943)
• Ki-61-I Hei (1944)
• B-25C (1943)
• P-38G (1943)
• P-39N (1942)
• P-40N (1943)
• TBF-1C (1943)

Edited September 26, 2024 by Jackfraser24

[Enceladus828]

3 hours ago, BraveSirRobin said:

It would be the first thing they do that I would not even consider buying

Fine, be that way 🙄

[GOA_Karaya_VR]

With the Rata and the Chaika, some Ju52s, Emils and Stukas, something fancy can be maked i guess.. At least the textures and some remote place with the maps that we have.

 

Regards.

[Lusekofte]

You will have a lot of people wanting faster and better armed planes saying it will run them bankrupt if they do SCW.  
In my point of view GB is far better with mg and old planes. SCW will suit the old game engine perfect and it would make me reinstall the game

[Lusekofte]

7 hours ago, Gambit21 said:

 

I predicted New Guinea already, and I'm sticking with that.

 

Can’t for the life of me understand why they did not choose that instead of Korea. That would make more sense

[Avimimus]

2 hours ago, Lusekofte said:

You will have a lot of people wanting faster and better armed planes saying it will run them bankrupt if they do SCW.  
In my point of view GB is far better with mg and old planes. SCW will suit the old game engine perfect and it would make me reinstall the game

 

I'm with you on that - I like the pre-1942 eras... they are more acrobatic.

[Lord_Cool]

IL-2 Korea has got me hyped. Ever since IL2 1946, I've wanted to see early cold war jets appear in a more modern iteration of the IL2 series but never thought they actually do something like Korea. It has renewed my interest in the series. I was impressed with the Me262 in Bodenplatte and the F-86 and MiG-15 will be even more spectacular than that.

 

Should it be successful, I would like to see IL-2 Korea series expand upon the jet era, an IL2 1946 style fictional extension of the Korean war? With aircraft such as MiG-17, IL-28, possibly MiG-19 and F-100 Super Sabre? Although its hard to see how much further you could go after Korea it you want to avoid dealing with AAMs, radar, phenomenal speed and increasingly sophisticated avionics. Already by the late 50s aircraft such as the F-101, F-102, F-104, F-105, Su-7, Su-9 and MiG-21 were being introduced.

Edited September 27, 2024 by Lord_Cool

[Avimimus]

40 minutes ago, Lord_Cool said:

IL-2 Korea has got me hyped. Ever since IL2 1946, I've wanted to see early cold war jets appear in a more modern iteration of the IL2 series but never thought they actually do something like Korea. It has renewed my interest in the series. I was impressed with the Me262 in Bodenplatte and the F-86 and MiG-15 will be even more spectacular than that.

 

Should it be successful, I would like to see IL-2 Korea series expand upon the jet era, an IL2 1946 style fictional extension of the Korean war? With aircraft such as MiG-17, IL-28, possibly MiG-19 and F-100 Super Sabre? Although its hard to see how much further you could go after Korea it you want to avoid dealing with AAMs, radar, phenomenal speed and increasingly sophisticated avionics. Already by the late 50s aircraft such as the F-101, F-102, F-104, F-105, Su-7, Su-9 and MiG-21 were being introduced.

 

I discussed that idea here (and had more notes I was going to expand upon). However, the developers indicated that they want to prioritise historical theatres, so we are unlikely to see these types of aircraft as Collector Planes:

 

Note: Around 1955 the complexity of avionics (especially secondary avionics, like navigation and landing systems) begins to increase rapidly. The F-100 and the Hawker Hunter both had a lot of development issues which meant that they only really enter service properly in 1957-1958 (if I recall correctly). The earliest Mig-19 probably would be more reasonable as a 'capstone'.

[Jackfraser24]

To be honest, I’m not sure if Midway will definitely be covered. Since their closest competitor (which I shall not name) is doing Midway, how likely will IL-2 do the same battle, how could they set themselves apart from their closest competitor?

 

Might they do the Battle of the Coral Sea as an early PTO module instead?

Edited September 27, 2024 by Jackfraser24

[Lusekofte]

15 hours ago, Jackfraser24 said:

To be honest, I’m not sure if Midway will definitely be covered. Since their closest competitor (which I shall not name) is doing Midway, how likely will IL-2 do the same battle, how could they set themselves apart from their closest competitor?

 

Might they do the Battle of the Coral Sea as an early PTO module instead?

It depends on what is coming out from this competitor. They might be able to come up with something playable not too much later than Korea is finalised. 
In my point of view both got something to prove, expectations is high same is the fall. Both got something new to show. It is too early for such considerations. There might not be any competition 

[Avimimus]

On 9/27/2024 at 9:08 PM, Jackfraser24 said:

Might they do the Battle of the Coral Sea as an early PTO module instead?

 

It makes sense to do all three of the early carrier battles in quick succession (if one does any one of them)... the amount of overlap in aircraft and ships is great enough that it is the sensible way to do it (e.g. a module and then two small DLC).

 

I'm personally most interested in New Guinea (with the Solomons and Philippines as close seconds)... so I hope the first or second module is one of those.

 

It would be a bit annoying if we ended up with two Midway sims and two Marianas sims but nothing in between!

[Jackfraser24]

10 minutes ago, Avimimus said:

 

It makes sense to do all three of the early carrier battles in quick succession (if one does any one of them)... the amount of overlap in aircraft and ships is great enough that it is the sensible way to do it (e.g. a module and then two small DLC).

 

I'm personally most interested in New Guinea (with the Solomon's and Philippines as close seconds)... so I hope the first or second module is one of those.

 

It would be a bit annoying if we ended up with two Midway sims and two Marianas sims but nothing in between!

I agree with you. I'd like to see a New Guinea, Solomon Islands and Philippines in the new sim. But I'd also like to see a Midway (as it was the turning point in the Pacific War), the Marianas (the islands were the site of some very significant battles like Saipan, Guam, Tinian and the Philippine Sea), the Coral Sea, and Burma, (though I am not sure whether there will be enough interest in the latter). 

[Gambit21]

21 hours ago, Avimimus said:

It makes sense to do all three of the early carrier battles in quick succession (if one does any one of them)... the amount of overlap in aircraft and ships is great enough that it is the sensible way to do it (e.g. a module and then two small DLC).

 

I'm personally most interested in New Guinea (with the Solomons and Philippines as close seconds)... so I hope the first or second module is one of those.

 

It would be a bit annoying if we ended up with two Midway sims and two Marianas sims but nothing in between!

 

Aye, the only reason I say New Guinea is that Solomons (my favorite) has been announced by the CP team. So I would expect these guys to differentiate themselves as much as possible while staying with something both early war and highly marketable. Thus my New Guinea conclusion.

 

[BlitzPig_EL]

Another vote (again) for New Guinea.  It's an often overlooked campaign that was so important to Imperial Japan, that they kept sending planes and pilots into that meat grinder for years.  I would think the single player folks would jump all over this, as unlike the well known carrier battles that lasted mere days, a New Guinea campaign could cover years.

[Avimimus]

Part of me does think that it'd make sense to do three modules in the following order:

Midway/Coral Sea -> Eastern Solomon/Guadalcanal -> New Guinea

 

That way we'd have a lot of the basic aircraft covered by the time we got to New Guinea, and we'd get more variety overall. The Pacific warrants at least thirty aircraft variants in the 1941-1943 period. But if we do the Pacific we should aim for New Guinea as a major goal.

[Mysticpuma]

Can missions created in a QMB have the possibility of changing the skins so each aircraft has different custom skin rather than the current setup where if you add a skin to your aircraft, the whole flight uses it (which looks ridiculous!)

[Trooper117]

4 hours ago, Avimimus said:

Midway/Coral Sea -> Eastern Solomon/Guadalcanal -> New Guinea

 

They would be mad to go down that route... we all know that their direct competitor is going to do Midway followed by Guadalcanal.

That would be a huge risk, because if their version turns out to be sub par compared to Combat Pilot, no one will want to play it or buy it.

They just wouldn't do what you are suggesting...

[l_commando]

If I were to submit my ranked choice vote, it would be:

 

New Guinea -> Guadalcanal/Solomons -> Philippines 1944-45 -> Burma 1942 (Flying Tigers)

[Jackfraser24]

9 hours ago, Trooper117 said:

 

They would be mad to go down that route... we all know that their direct competitor is going to do Midway followed by Guadalcanal.

That would be a huge risk, because if their version turns out to be sub par compared to Combat Pilot, no one will want to play it or buy it.

They just wouldn't do what you are suggesting...

That's a good point, old sport. Great Battles 2.0 (which I will refer to the new series as for now) might not be as good as C.P. and I think that they should head in a different direction just in case it is so. I liked your idea of a Malayan Campaign. Yes the Malayan Campaign was short and resulted in a swift Japanese victory and a humiliating defeat for British forces but I would very much like to see a Malayan Campaign module sometime in the future. Now that I think about it each development team should probably avoid each other's pathway full stop, or at least until they are both properly proven to offer something different to the table. That is why I am heavily in favor of C.P. having clickable cockpits while IL-2 stays away from it - to avoid being too similar for the competition. C.P. could be an indirect successor to CLoD. 
 

I know that I am not supposed to mention C.P. and I give my apologies to LukeFF for this, I’m just trying to suggest a way to minimise competition between IL-2 and C.P, so both parties can go where they want without having to worry about one doing the same battle better than the other. 

Edited October 2, 2024 by Jackfraser24

[Jackfraser24]

How many of you would be interested in the development team going to Burma after the Pacific? 

[Mysticpuma]

1 hour ago, Jackfraser24 said:

How many of you would be interested in the development team going to Burma after the Pacific? 

MTO is ripe to be picked a d a lot of aircraft already done.

[Jackfraser24]

3 minutes ago, Mysticpuma said:

MTO is ripe to be picked a d a lot of aircraft already done.

I meant for IL-2: Korea. 

[Mysticpuma]

1 hour ago, Jackfraser24 said:

I meant for IL-2: Korea. 

So did I, especially using the new tech.

[Jackfraser24]

11 minutes ago, Mysticpuma said:

So did I, especially using the new tech.

Ah, I see. My apologies.

[Koziolek]

On 9/26/2024 at 2:03 AM, BraveSirRobin said:

Yes, I’m sure FC sales are doing great.  Well, except for you.  I wonder why they don’t have any plans to do the Channel map?

I wonder why they don’t have any plans to do the BoB. The Normandy sales must be really bad 😉

 

On 10/1/2024 at 4:57 PM, Avimimus said:

Part of me does think that it'd make sense to do three modules in the following order:

Midway/Coral Sea -> Eastern Solomon/Guadalcanal -> New Guinea

 

 

Hey, we were not supposed to talk about CP 🤣

[LukeFF]

4 hours ago, Koziolek said:

I wonder why they don’t have any plans to do the BoB. The Normandy sales must be really bad 😉

 

Normandy has done quite well in terms of sales. 

[Avimimus]

6 hours ago, Koziolek said:

I wonder why they don’t have any plans to do the BoB. The Normandy sales must be really bad 😉

 

Hey, we were not supposed to talk about CP 🤣

 

1) Do not spread unfounded rumours about the success of products or plans for prodctus. If you have evidence in the form of a quote from the developers about sales, that is different. You can also say what you think would be a good idea. But don't spread such rumours without evidence (Please see forum rule #20).

 

2) The post you quote didn't mention CP.

[Jackfraser24]

2 hours ago, LukeFF said:

 

Normandy has done quite well in terms of sales. 

How likely will they remake Normandy in the new series? I wonder because a) it was a very important event of WWII; b) the new technologies might allow the map to have cities as big as London and Paris; c) computer processing technologies might mature on par when (all hypothetical) it hits the market; and d) the new technologies might be able to allow the map to encompass the entirety of Northwestern Europe and the southern half of Britain which would allow for the Baby Blitz to be added into Pilot Career mode, as well as a heavy bomber campaign if all of Germany could be included. But I might be overestimating the strength of the new technologies I am afraid. I’d like to hear your thoughts on this. Or anybody else’s opinion on this subject if they read it. 

[LukeFF]

The only roadmap for WWII right now in the new series is the Pacific. Far, far, far too early to even think about anything beyond that right now.

[ThePops]

Just my 0.02 $ 😀

 

IMO they should go the other way, fwd in time instead of back. This means cold war, and start with the really early stuff (Korea being the perfect point zero here). There are several reasons for this.

 

1. Early to mid cold war (45 to 60-70 ish) is unrepresented today. Yet, it's a very interesting and important age with an unprecedented technology development.

2. It's really sought after, as can be seen in a competing sim (online servers). But severely limited there due to lack of key aircraft and representative maps.

3. The WWII age is done to pieces already, over and over. IL-2 GB is still an excellent sim, and will remain so for years to come. Ask yourself: What would you really want, a prettier looking 109 in a new sim with very few other planes and scenarios/maps, or more scenarios/maps and more planes in IL-2 GB? Lots of people still play old sims (20+ years old) about this era. This is certainly not because of the nice graphics and detailed DM, but because of the diversity of maps/planes. An old pig with a new make up, is still the same old pig.

4. The Cold War, although not a "hot" war (obviously 😀), represents endless possibilities in both aircraft, maps and history.

 

I get that IL-2 Korea is a good starting point for a new and fresh WWII Pacific theme'd IL-2 extension not represented today in GB. It will however take years and years before an extension to the European theater will be a seriously better sim than IL-2 GB. Perhaps not even possible without an even newer generation of IL-2 Korea ?

 

Anyway, just my 0.02 $ IL-2 Korea is something new and fresh. I would like more new and fresh instead of (yet another) new make up on the old WWII pig 😀  

 

[Jackfraser24]

18 hours ago, ThePops said:

Just my 0.02 $ 😀

 

IMO they should go the other way, fwd in time instead of back. This means cold war, and start with the really early stuff (Korea being the perfect point zero here). There are several reasons for this.

 

1. Early to mid cold war (45 to 60-70 ish) is unrepresented today. Yet, it's a very interesting and important age with an unprecedented technology development.

2. It's really sought after, as can be seen in a competing sim (online servers). But severely limited there due to lack of key aircraft and representative maps.

3. The WWII age is done to pieces already, over and over. IL-2 GB is still an excellent sim, and will remain so for years to come. Ask yourself: What would you really want, a prettier looking 109 in a new sim with very few other planes and scenarios/maps, or more scenarios/maps and more planes in IL-2 GB? Lots of people still play old sims (20+ years old) about this era. This is certainly not because of the nice graphics and detailed DM, but because of the diversity of maps/planes. An old pig with a new make up, is still the same old pig.

4. The Cold War, although not a "hot" war (obviously 😀), represents endless possibilities in both aircraft, maps and history.

 

I get that IL-2 Korea is a good starting point for a new and fresh WWII Pacific theme'd IL-2 extension not represented today in GB. It will however take years and years before an extension to the European theater will be a seriously better sim than IL-2 GB. Perhaps not even possible without an even newer generation of IL-2 Korea ?

 

Anyway, just my 0.02 $ IL-2 Korea is something new and fresh. I would like more new and fresh instead of (yet another) new make up on the old WWII pig 😀  

 

I like your idea about doing beyond Korea but I don't think that it is going to happen, or at least any time soon. The age of dogfighting on a large scale started to diminish after Korea (as far as I know). There was the Vietnam War of course, and the various Arab-Israeli Wars over the latter decades of the 20th century, but you've got to remember that there were also a lot of aircraft shot down by surface to air missiles, which isn't really sporting when it comes to replicating real life missions and pilot career. However I will say that the way you have made this suggestion is pretty good and you do have some good points. I'm sure something like a Vietnam War multiplayer server would prove itself to be very popular. Dream on!

[Koziolek]

On 10/5/2024 at 6:58 PM, Avimimus said:

 

1) Do not spread unfounded rumours about the success of products or plans for prodctus. If you have evidence in the form of a quote from the developers about sales, that is different. You can also say what you think would be a good idea. But don't spread such rumours without evidence (Please see forum rule #20).

 

2) The post you quote didn't mention CP.

Sorry guys, total misunderstanding 😁

 

1) It was a reply to BSR. His logic was there is no Channel Map because FC sales are poor. My was: if there is no BoB it must be because the map which  covers this area is selling bad  😀

2) No, but it mentions a road map of CP ( or very similar). It wasn't really serious observation.  The smiling face at the end should be the giveaway