IL-2 4th Generation Future Titles

[Enceladus828]

31 minutes ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

By the time the GB team gets around to doing something in North Africa, Clod/Tobruk will be dead as a door nail, hell, it's on life support now.

Well, the flyable B-17 and Lancaster (by the end of next year for the latter) ought to change things. But anyway this thread isn’t for slandering other games, if you want to slander the Dover series then do it on that section of the forum 🙂

[BlitzPig_EL]

I mean no slander, just an observation.

[Jackfraser24]

10 hours ago, Enceladus828 said:

These are interesting places but Tunisia is the only one that I feel will be done in the Korea engine unless a 3rd party team makes a Tobruk map for GBs. TOBRUK offers a very complete depiction of the aircraft which participated in the Siege of Tobruk minus the MC. 200 and SM.79 that unless the 1CGS version included almost all the Desert planes (save for obviously the trainers) plus the 2 mentioned above and ships, you would have players jumping between the two games to fly aircraft or do things they can’t do in the other. Same goes with El Alamein, TFS plans to do that place and add a flyable B-17F and B-24D so with that players would probably be choosing the Dover series version. But with Tunisia there wouldn’t be any overlap and it could be that if players want Malta and Sicily get the Dover version, if they want Tunisia (and by extension Sicily) get the 1CGS.

 

The point I’m getting at is that if an installment will cover the same place/area as another game then it has to offer a rather major aspect not depicted in the other game. For instance, a Tank Crew installment (or whatever it will be called in the Korea engine) covering the Battles of El Alamein would be appealing to all players and wouldn’t overlap with the Dover series El Alamein installment since the latter would be more about the aerial engagements. Development costs money so it would be a rather poor business decision to do a bare bones copy of a battle that another game has covered quite nicely when there are other places which haven’t been covered that would appeal to all players. 

I think a module concerning the Battle of Greece and the following Battle of Crete might actually do well. Here are a few reasons why:

1. No combat flight simulator has ever covered the Battle of Greece or Crete as opposed to the Pacific or the Battle of Britain which has heavily been covered by other combat flight simulators. 
2. The Axis campaign against Greece was fairly lengthy if you take into account the Greco-Italian War which lasted from October 1940 and spanning to June 1941.
3. The module would span beyond the defeat of Allied forces in Crete and into a period where aerial anti shipping campaigns were commonplace throughout the Aegean and the eastern Mediterranean Sea right up until May 1945, which would appeal to many.  

Edited September 4, 2024 by Jackfraser24

[[CPT]Crunch]

Can't this thread be merged with the original, same old ....

[BraveSirRobin]

9 hours ago, Jackfraser24 said:

I think a module concerning the Battle of Greece and the following Battle of Crete might actually do well. Here are a few reasons why:

1. No combat flight simulator has ever covered the Battle of Greece or Crete as opposed to the Pacific or the Battle of Britain which has heavily been covered by other combat flight simulators.

This little detail actually makes Greece/Crete significantly LESS likely than BoB or PTO.  There is sales data for those battles.  They have some idea of how many copies they can sell.  They are not in a position to risk making a game that will not sell.  So risky options with lots of unknowns are unlikely.

 

Lots of people seem to think that “no one has ever done this” is a selling point.  It isn’t.  It’s the opposite, actually.

[Jackfraser24]

2 hours ago, BraveSirRobin said:

This little detail actually makes Greece/Crete significantly LESS likely than BoB or PTO.  There is sales data for those battles.  They have some idea of how many copies they can sell.  They are not in a position to risk making a game that will not sell.  So risky options with lots of unknowns are unlikely.

 

Lots of people seem to think that “no one has ever done this” is a selling point.  It isn’t.  It’s the opposite, actually.

Maybe it could be a collector map sometime in the distant future then.

[BraveSirRobin]

4 hours ago, Jackfraser24 said:

Maybe it could be a collector map sometime in the distant future then.

Only if you’re planning to do it.

[Jackfraser24]

1 hour ago, BraveSirRobin said:

Only if you’re planning to do it.

That might be a problem. 

[BraveSirRobin]

33 minutes ago, Jackfraser24 said:

That might be a problem. 

Then it is extremely unlikely.

[Jackfraser24]

5 hours ago, BraveSirRobin said:

Then it is extremely unlikely.

Oh well

Edited September 5, 2024 by Jackfraser24

[Jackfraser24]

What do you all think about 1CGS redoing the Normandy map in the new engine sometime down the track? 

Edited September 7, 2024 by Jackfraser24

[Enceladus828]

21 minutes ago, Jackfraser24 said:

What do you all think about 1CGS redoing the Normandy map in the new engine sometime down the track? 

When there’s a WW1 installment set in East Africa

[Jackfraser24]

4 hours ago, Enceladus828 said:

When there’s a WW1 installment set in East Africa

That would be cool. Even if it was fictitious.

[Trooper117]

2 hours ago, Jackfraser24 said:

That would be cool. Even if it was fictitious.

 

Well, the 3 people that would buy it would like it...

[Jackfraser24]

8 hours ago, Trooper117 said:

 

Well, the 3 people that would buy it would like it...

I suppose. But I recon Normandy should be redone in the new engine for a couple of reasons.

• IL-2 Battle of Normandy was great but it proved that the engine's older technologies that date back as far as 2013 really showed its limits in terms of how detailed a map could be, and how big urban settlements could be. 
• A hypothetical rebooted IL-2 Normandy map could be used as a template to make further titles such as IL-2 Britain, or IL-2 Dieppe or if they get to a stage where they could do a WWI module a map could be made out of that.

If you disagree with me or want to correct me, feel free.

Edited September 7, 2024 by Jackfraser24

[MajorMagee]

For that matter, Normandy would be an ideal setting for Tank Crew - Invasion and Break Out. The is a ton of material there for both a full scale Campaign, and for lots of tank on tank Multi-Player stalking each other in the hedgerows.

[=BLW=Pablo]

On 8/13/2024 at 3:53 AM, Trooper117 said:

 Also, a look at the 'Flying Tigers' contribution would probably sell well.

 

 

I even made a suggestion about that.

 

On 8/16/2024 at 1:48 PM, Jackfraser24 said:

IL-2 Philippines

 

Why?

• This dlc would be able to cover two historically significant campaigns. The First Philippine Campaign of 1941-42 and the Second Philippine Campaign of 1944-45, which I know would be a lot of work making the maps and the Pilot Career mode but I think that their hard work on this will pay off.
• The Philippines Campaign of 1941-42 was a great victory for Japanese forces and a devastating blow for American forces in the Pacific. It went on from Dec/8/1941 to May/8/1942.
• The Philippines Campaign of 1944-45 was a long campaign that began with the amphibious invasion of Leyte Island and ended with the order from Tokyo to surrender. The campaign went on from Oct/20/1944 to Aug/15/1945. 
• Both campaigns had hundreds of planes operational in the region. Even though the Americans had 277 aircraft and the Japanese had 500+, it would still be enough to offer battle.
• Largest naval battle in the history of the world happened at Leyte Gulf. Many other large battles were fought here as well including the Battle of Leyte Island, the Battle of Luzon and the Battle of Mindanao. 
• This dlc would be a good education tool by showing how brutal both Philippine campaigns were. There were heaps of casualties which could be highlighted if individual infantrymen are going to be included in this upcoming game. There were kamikaze attacks too, which only made the battle more terrifying to experience. 
• The plane list would be a likable combination as well. Planes like the Corsair, Hellcat and the Helldiver were all present. Other planes suchas the A6M, Ki-43 and B6N would also make the list.
• Would appeal to the Philippine market by allowing Filipino virtual combat pilots to explore their WWII history. I'm sure it would sell quite well in the Australian market too since Australian forces took part in military operations in the Philippines during WWII. Appeal to virtual combat pilots whose ancestors fought in the region. 

Plane List (1941-42)

 

Japanese

• A5M
• A6M2
• D3A1
• Ki-21
• Ki-27 (Collector)

Allies

• B-17F (Collector)
• P-26A
• P-35A
• P-40E
• Tomahawk Mk.IIa/b

Plane List (1944-45)

 

Japanese

• A6M5c
• B6N2 (Collector)
• Ki-43-III Hayabusa
• N1K2-J
• Ki-61 Hei

 

Allies

• F-6F-5
• P-38J
• P-40N
• P-51 D-15
• B-17G (Collector)

 

I think it's possible to include in this request a DLC for the Flying Tigers and Pearl Harbor.

And with that we could add interesting planes like:

• P-40B
• P-43 Lancer (The father of the P-47)
• P-36 (Used in Pearl)
• Ki-43
• A6m2 

 

[BlitzPig_EL]

The Chinese also operated the Hawk 75 (P36).

[Oboe]

Love the idea of IL-2 Philippines.

 

RE: Jackfraser24's plane list for the 1944-45 setting of IL-2 Philippines, the Japanese forces really should include the Ki.84, one of Japan's most potent late War fighters, whose combat service began with the Battle of Leyte in 1944.

 

Regarding the B-17G, I think by 1944 the USAAF's PTO heavy bomber would instead be the B-24 Liberator, by a wide margin.   Would be great to have them both at any rate.

Plus the B-25, which saw a lot of service in the SWPA...     

[=BLW=Pablo]

6 hours ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

The Chinese also operated the Hawk 75 (P36).

 

 

But they flew the version with fixed landing gear.
Which, in addition to being very ugly compared to the original version, was slower.

[Sayan]

On 8/15/2024 at 12:06 AM, BlitzPig_EL said:

after Korea it's the Pacific

I probably missed something... Where can I find this information?

This is a video with an interview, or a text message from the developers 1С. Thanks in advance

[Jackfraser24]

I wonder if they will spend two decades on this new game. 

Edited September 9, 2024 by Jackfraser24

[Trooper117]

14 hours ago, Sayan said:

I probably missed something... Where can I find this information?

 

The information is correct, they are doing the Pacific after Korea... but this will be years down the road.

[Jackfraser24]

8 hours ago, Trooper117 said:

 

The information is correct, they are doing the Pacific after Korea... but this will be years down the road.

What areas of the Pacific would you want them to do?

On 9/4/2024 at 11:50 AM, Enceladus828 said:

Well, the flyable B-17 and Lancaster (by the end of next year for the latter) ought to change things. But anyway this thread isn’t for slandering other games, if you want to slander the Dover series then do it on that section of the forum 🙂

Question. Where would you like IL-2 to go in the Pacific War?

Edited September 9, 2024 by Jackfraser24

[Trooper117]

3 minutes ago, Jackfraser24 said:

What areas of the Pacific would you want them to do?

 

Combat Pilot will be doing Midway then Guadalcanal, so I hope they do Malaya/Singapore, or Burma, and Flying Tigers is a safe bet... however, I'm pretty sure they won't do any of them... 

[Jackfraser24]

1 minute ago, Trooper117 said:

 

Combat Pilot will be doing Midway then Guadalcanal, so I hope they do Malaya/Singapore, or Burma, and Flying Tigers is a safe bet... however, I'm pretty sure they won't do any of them... 

Those are good suggestions, old sport. I'd especially like them to do a Burma Campaign since that has not been touched on much like Europe or the Pacific has in the past. 

[BlitzPig_EL]

I very much hope for New Guinea.  Such a broad spectrum of aircraft and countries involved.

[Gambit21]

41 minutes ago, Trooper117 said:

 

Combat Pilot will be doing Midway then Guadalcanal, so I hope they do Malaya/Singapore, or Burma, and Flying Tigers is a safe bet... however, I'm pretty sure they won't do any of them... 

 

New Guinea would be the smartest thing under the circumstances IMHO - if I had to put money down it would go on the NG square.

[LukeFF]

People will definitely like the setting we are choosing start out with in the Pacific - I will say that much. 🙂

[Jackfraser24]

4 hours ago, Gambit21 said:

New Guinea would be the smartest thing under the circumstances IMHO - if I had to put money down it would go on the NG square.

Focus around the Bismarck Sea region and Eastern New Guinea. A map similar to this.

 

[Jackfraser24]

On 9/10/2024 at 10:15 AM, LukeFF said:

People will definitely like the setting we are choosing start out with in the Pacific - I will say that much. 🙂

Would the dev team be interested in going to the Med and North Africa for this new series? Or would they rather go back to the Eastern Front and do Operation Bagration, Kursk and Courland. I wonder if they will redo Stalingrad, because it was a huge and pivotal battle and Moscow so they can model in the city of Moscow.

Edited September 15, 2024 by Jackfraser24

[Duckman]

On 9/10/2024 at 12:15 AM, LukeFF said:

People will definitely like the setting we are choosing start out with in the Pacific - I will say that much.

 

Invasion of the Dutch East Indies then. Can't wait.

[Trooper117]

14 minutes ago, Duckman said:

Invasion of the Dutch East Indies then. Can't wait.

 

You are out of luck mate... it's Malaya/Singapore!

[Enceladus828]

On 9/15/2024 at 2:04 PM, Jackfraser24 said:

Would the dev team be interested in going to the Med and North Africa for this new series? Or would they rather go back to the Eastern Front and do Operation Bagration, Kursk and Courland. I wonder if they will redo Stalingrad, because it was a huge and pivotal battle and Moscow so they can model in the city of Moscow.

I would like to see Tunisia and Sicily followed by the March up Italy for the MTO after the Pacific, I hope at least two installments are done for the latter. Burma would be a good place to do, and I really don’t see them redoing GBs installments for a long time.

[Jackfraser24]

11 hours ago, Enceladus828 said:

I would like to see Tunisia and Sicily followed by the March up Italy for the MTO after the Pacific, I hope at least two installments are done for the latter. Burma would be a good place to do, and I really don’t see them redoing GBs installments for a long time.

I'd like that too but something tells me that they will go back to the Eastern Front. I suspect they will stick to what they know best. The Pacific and the Eastern Front.

[leitmotiv]

What I suggest, and what astounds me has not been plumbed by the combat flight simulators, is the night air war from 1940-45 in western Europe. As a challenge for fighters it far exceeds anything in the daylight air war. It would be ideal for multiplace fighter cooperation with aircraft radar operators attempting to guide their pilots to targets. The topic could even be developed to include ground intercept control personnel. The RAF deployed extremely complex electronic gear to fox the German controllers, and fighters, and to defend bombers. Flying an airborne fuel tank such as the Lancaster, which had all armor removed by bomber groups by 1944 would be a tradeoff between constant vigilance, and hope. Try zigzagging for four hours or more. Precision night target marking in Mosquitoes  or even P-51s will test players skill. The RAF fielded bomber stream fighter escorts (Beaus and Mosquitoes with radar or radar homing devices). To me this would be quite an exciting development for Great Battles. 

[BigC208]

1 hour ago, leitmotiv said:

What I suggest, and what astounds me has not been plumbed by the combat flight simulators, is the night air war from 1940-45 in western Europe. As a challenge for fighters it far exceeds anything in the daylight air war. 
 

Unless you have an instrument rating and know how to navigate in the soup, you’ll be restricted to clear, moonlit nights. You’re spot on about the challenges of night fighting. Not sure if your average dogfighter is interested in doing the homework to make night fighting work. Those guys were experts. I’ve done a few intercepts with the 110 on A20’s and B25’s using the map. It was fun but not much to see at night really.

 

[Juri_JS]

With B-29 and P-51 already available, wouldn't the Japanese home islands not be the logical next step?

[Mysticpuma]

Assuming that all future expansions are made with the new engine, personally I would like to see one or all of the following in the new engine.

 

Malta, the MTO, the Desert War and finally (if ground assets can be expansive), "The Battle of Britain".

 

Currently it stands that two of those are in a current flight sim but unfortunately the likelihood of much happening with the future development is either a long way off or will never happen in most players lifetime.

 

I would say the MTO is an area which really is waiting to be exploited in a modern sim, I also understand from years ago (but was that only under Jason), that the Desert war is out of the question due to a deal done with TFS. So it would be great to see the MTO come to life in a modern sim, but time will tell. Just have to cross my fingers.

Edited September 22, 2024 by Mysticpuma

[Trooper117]

3 hours ago, Mysticpuma said:

Desert war is out of the question due to a deal done with TFS.

 

Hasn't that now lapsed?... the dev's can now do North Africa (Libya/Tobruk etc) if they choose to...