IL-2 4th Generation Future Titles

[BraveSirRobin]

Just now, Jackfraser24 said:

Really? Battle of Britain?

Of course.  It’s an iconic battle.  It will sell.  It does not have the ridiculous long flight times of the B-29 raids on Japan or going to Berlin.  It’s perfect.  

[354thFG_Drewm3i-VR]

2 hours ago, BraveSirRobin said:

They’re working to enable the game engine to handle large formations of bombers.  They’re not doing that to go back to Stalingrad.  Eventually (after PTO, apparently) they’re going to do the Battle of Britain.  Be sure.

I hope you're right!

[Aapje]

BoB seems like an obvious choice if they return to Europe.

[BlitzPig_EL]

So, they won't do North Africa or Malta because it will interfere with CloD Tobruk, but they will do the Battle of Britain?

 

I think not.

[=MERCS=JenkemJunkie]

I think after Pacific they should do a Waifu dating simulator expansion. To really get into the role of a pilot I need to understand why they fight, and learning more about the pilot photo ladies in a more intimate setting will really help my immersion levels. We were wrongly promised romance in Korea, and I think this could be 1Cs chance to make it up to us.

[Trooper117]

14 hours ago, Jackfraser24 said:

IL-2 Stalingrad (revamped in the new series) 

 

Not a chance I would buy that again...

Edited August 26, 2024 by Trooper117

[Avimimus]

12 hours ago, BraveSirRobin said:

They’re working to enable the game engine to handle large formations of bombers.  They’re not doing that to go back to Stalingrad.  Eventually (after PTO, apparently) they’re going to do the Battle of Britain.  Be sure.

 

By that logic, they're working on transparent water, so the next sim will be entirely seaplanes and float planes

[BraveSirRobin]

1 hour ago, Avimimus said:

 

By that logic, they're working on transparent water, so the next sim will be entirely seaplanes and float planes

What does transparent water have to do with seaplanes?
 

 The connection between large formations of AI bombers and BoB is pretty obvious.  There is almost no connection between seaplanes/float planes and transparent water, since they already made float planes for their current opaque water.

 

So, no, the logic does not follow.
 

 

 

4 hours ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

So, they won't do North Africa or Malta because it will interfere with CloD Tobruk, but they will do the Battle of Britain?

 

I think not.

I think that they would do NA or Malta now if they felt like it.

[LukeFF]

4 hours ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

So, they won't do North Africa or Malta because it will interfere with CloD Tobruk, but they will do the Battle of Britain?

 

I think not.

 

Given that such an arrangement was made because JVW was managing both CLoD and GB at the time (and so it would have looked weird to have the projects in conflict with each other), I would say that now such restrictions and what theater we'll choose is much more open.  

 

But anyways, any potential BoB sim is a long, long way away. The focus is obviously on Korea right now and then what will come after, which as we've mentioned is the Pacific. 

[BlitzPig_EL]

Well, in that case, if they do return to WW2 other than the Pacific war, I wholeheartedly would support North Africa/the Med.  I have little interest in the Battle of Britain again, and by the time it would be released I'll be no longer on this earth anyway.

[Enceladus828]

I hope for the Invasion of Sicily or the Tunisian campaign after the Pacific, those are interesting places and won’t overlap with the Dover series.

[Jackfraser24]

1 hour ago, Enceladus828 said:

I hope for the Invasion of Sicily or the Tunisian campaign after the Pacific, those are interesting places and won’t overlap with the Dover series.

They could also do North Africa from between May and December 1942. Pilot career would start with the Battle of Gazala and the Fall of Tobruk. It would cover battles like the first and second Battle of El Alamein, Mersa Matruh, and end with the Battle of El Agheila.  

[Avimimus]

4 hours ago, BraveSirRobin said:

What does transparent water have to do with seaplanes?
 

 The connection between large formations of AI bombers and BoB is pretty obvious.  There is almost no connection between seaplanes/float planes and transparent water, since they already made float planes for their current opaque water.

 

So, no, the logic does not follow.

 

Sorry, I should have said 'submarine'! 

 

The point I was trying to make is this: One cannot conclude an entire module based on an improvement to one feature.

 

Even if the goal is to enable larger formations - we don't know when this engine improvement is going to be used. Maybe they just want it for the B-29 in Korea... maybe they want it as part of a long term plan (to support the 8th Airforce strategic bombing campaign)? We don't really know.

[BladeMeister]

41 minutes ago, Avimimus said:

 

Sorry, I should have said 'submarine'! 

 

The point I was trying to make is this: One cannot conclude an entire module based on an improvement to one feature.

 

Even if the goal is to enable larger formations - we don't know when this engine improvement is going to be used. Maybe they just want it for the B-29 in Korea... maybe they want it as part of a long term plan (to support the 8th Airforce strategic bombing campaign)? We don't really know.

Trust me, BSR knows. He is going to beat you over the head with his musings until you either agree with him, or you just go away. Trust me on this one. There is only one logical choice among these options. Choose wisely Sir or you may never forgive yourself!

 

S!Blade<><

[BraveSirRobin]

1 hour ago, BladeMeister said:

Trust me, BSR knows. He is going to beat you over the head with his musings until you either agree with him, or you just go away. Trust me on this one. There is only one logical choice among these options. Choose wisely Sir or you may never forgive yourself!

 

S!Blade<><

‘I was just responding to his logical equivalence silliness.  If you don’t agree that BoB is probably in the long term plans, I do not care.

1 hour ago, Avimimus said:

 

Sorry, I should have said 'submarine'! 
 

That would have made a lot more sense.  And producing a sub game would probably not be a bad idea.  There have been a bunch of them so they probably make good money.

[354thFG_Drewm3i-VR]

12 hours ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

So, they won't do North Africa or Malta because it will interfere with CloD Tobruk, but they will do the Battle of Britain?

 

I think not.

CLoD is dead. It is 2024, not 2019. I don't think the non-compete will hold true forever.

[Avimimus]

2 hours ago, BladeMeister said:

Trust me, BSR knows. He is going to beat you over the head with his musings until you either agree with him, or you just go away. Trust me on this one. There is only one logical choice among these options. Choose wisely Sir or you may never forgive yourself!

 

S!Blade<><

 

Well, as part of the WWI cabal preaching delusional beliefs about WWI and spreading the faith that we will soon be flying the Roland D.II over Macedonia... I'm really in no position to judge.

 

For what it's worth - do see Battle of Britain  as a possible third or fourth instalment...

 

1 hour ago, BraveSirRobin said:

That would have made a lot more sense.  And producing a sub game would probably not be a bad idea.  There have been a bunch of them so they probably make good money.

 

I suspect it might be a bit hard to get the time-scales working well in the same engine. They'd have to write an ability to save or load mission states and subsims often have time compressions in the 256-512 times range. That said, I suspect they are clever enough to produce work arounds. Slightly easier might be a PT Boat expansion?

 

The PT-Boats played a significant role in the Solomons/Guadalcanal and New Guinea - and they also were fast, manoeuvrable, and carried a substantial anti-aircraft armament - so could fit in relatively well in multiplayer.

 

  

4 minutes ago, 356thFS_Drewm3i-VR said:

CLoD is dead. It is 2024, not 2019. I don't think the non-compete will hold true forever.

 

This has already been addressed by LukeFF. Also, the engine is still under development.

[LukeFF]

5 hours ago, 356thFS_Drewm3i-VR said:

CLoD is dead. It is 2024, not 2019. I don't think the non-compete will hold true forever.

 

5 hours ago, Avimimus said:

This has already been addressed by LukeFF. Also, the engine is still under development.

 

Yep, it was just an informal agreement/arrangement, since it was the same person managing both titles. Beyond that, CloD is no longer a 1CGS property - it's published by Fulqrum now.

[Jackfraser24]

Now that I think about it it would make more sense that they would do Britain, Moscow, Stalingrad, Kuban, Normandy and Bodenplatte last. There is so much for them to cover that they have not covered since IL-2 1946, or never done period. 
 

Here’s where I think the IL-2 crew should go after Korea:

 

Pacific Theatre of Operations

• Okinawa and Iwo Jima
• Philippines
• Mariana Islands
• New Guinea (the whole island) 
• Coral Sea

Mediterranean Theatre of Operations/North Africa

• Monte Cassino
• South France (Operation Dragoon)
• Sicily
• Tunisia
• El Alamein
• Tobruk

Eastern Front

• Berlin
• Koenigsberg
• Balaton (Hungary)
• Bagration/Smolensk
• Kursk
• Crimea
• Kuban
• Stalingrad
• Moscow (city included)
• Karelia

Western Front

• Benelux
• Normandy
• Britain
• France

 

[BlitzPig_EL]

Don't forget the CBI theater of operations.

[Jackfraser24]

15 minutes ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

Don't forget the CBI theater of operations.

Yes of course! The Chinese - Burma - India Theater. I'd like to see them do that after the Pacific to be honest. I'd like to see Spitfire Mk.VIII, Hurricane Mk.IV and Ki-43 all in the game. I might beat a dead horse later and do a "10  Reasons Why + A Plane List" for China and Burma. Thanks for reminding me.

Edited August 27, 2024 by Jackfraser24

[BraveSirRobin]

15 minutes ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

Don't forget the CBI theater of operations.

You know that isn’t going to happen, right?

[FuriousMeow]

On 8/26/2024 at 12:46 PM, BlitzPig_EL said:

Well, in that case, if they do return to WW2 other than the Pacific war, I wholeheartedly would support North Africa/the Med.  I have little interest in the Battle of Britain again, and by the time it would be released I'll be no longer on this earth anyway.

 

North Africa/Med would be nice. There was supposed to be a Dynamix Desert Fighters way back, following Red Baron II/3D's success. Unfortunately didn't get made obviously, but looked good at the time. Its a theater that would be really cool and one that's had a few starts but never made it. 

Edited August 27, 2024 by FuriousMeow

[BlitzPig_EL]

10 minutes ago, BraveSirRobin said:

You know that isn’t going to happen, right?

 

Probably not, but at least I'm not the Pollyanna that the WW1 blokes are. 

[Avimimus]

8 minutes ago, BraveSirRobin said:

You know that isn’t going to happen, right?

 

I don't know about that! I could see a scenario where it happens. A third party makes the map, and four additional aircraft are added... sold at a slightly lower price point (e.g. $40). We're seeing an Odessa map with new aircraft and a Continuation War map being added... and I'm pretty sure you'd say that neither of those are priorities.

 

After all, we received the the Tarnopol map for Rise of Flight along with two Russian aircraft. We received a Horsa Glider for Battle of Normandy... as well as a C-47, Li-2, Ju-52, a couple of WWI aircraft, the Hurricane II, the IAR-80 etc.

 

I'm not sure why you need to be so dismissive of other people's dreams - especially when they are plausible.

[Trooper117]

12 hours ago, BraveSirRobin said:

You know that isn’t going to happen, right?

 

And you don't know it isn't going to happen right?... 

[deathmisser]

On 8/13/2024 at 7:46 AM, Jackfraser24 said:

IL-2 Okinawa

 

Why it would be a good idea

• The Battle of Okinawa was the last major battle of WWII in the Pacific. It was an important battle in terms of strategic location, brutality and the amount of lives lost. Taking Okinawa was also undertaken to prepare for Operation Downfall. I think making a module about this battle would commemorate the battle.
• Hundreds of planes of various type were used such as the Corsair, Hellcat, Helldiver, Seafire, A6M, Ki-84 and G4M. I believe that a good plane list will be compelling enough for virtual pilots to buy into the module. 
• A lot of naval action happened at Okinawa where lots of ships took part in the battle. American ships such as the USS Wasp, British King George V and Japanese ships like the Yamato would populate the seas around the Okinawan Islands.
• Much of the map would be ocean, the only bits of land being Okinawa, Iwo Jima, the Marianas and maybe the most southerly bit of Kyushu, Japan. Therefore, unless they model in the sea bed, I don't think the map would be too time consuming to make.
• It would be a good place in the Pacific to start. From here you would be able to work backwards chronologically. Working backwards would ensure you don't run out of planes for future modules by only having the most contemporary aircraft there.

Plane List

 

Allies

• F4U-1C
• P-47N
• P-51 D-25
• SB2C-4
• Seafire Mk. III (Collector)

Axis

• A6M7-62
• B6N2
• G4M2 (Collector)
• J2M5
• Ki-84-c

Didn't they say they wanted to do the pacific for the 2nd.

 

And when they were talk about the new Airfield and supply. 

I swear they said one of the Japanese carriers. As a demonstration but it's could also be a hint 

Found it 

Edited August 29, 2024 by deathmisser

[BraveSirRobin]

13 hours ago, Trooper117 said:

 

And you don't know it isn't going to happen right?... 

 

It’s impossible to prove a negative.  But how likely do you think it is?  

[Jackfraser24]

1 hour ago, deathmisser said:

Didn't they say they wanted to do the pacific for the 2nd.

 

And when they were talk about the new Airfield and supply. 

I swear they said one of the Japanese carriers. As a demonstration but it's could also be a hint 

Found it 

So, Midway then? I don't think they will go there because Jason Williams is going there. I don't know much about economics but my common sense tells me that not both a hypothetical IL-2 Midway and Combat Pilot Midway will benefit on the market. They'd be too similar and players would have more confidence in IL-2 as it has proven itself to be a good combat flight simulator and Combat Pilot has yet to do so.   

[BraveSirRobin]

4 minutes ago, Jackfraser24 said:

So, Midway then? I don't think they will go there because Jason Williams is going there. I don't know much about economics but my common sense tells me that not both a hypothetical IL-2 Midway and Combat Pilot Midway will benefit on the market. They'd be too similar and players would have more confidence in IL-2 as it has proven itself to be a good combat flight simulator and Combat Pilot has yet to do so.   

People will buy both.  There are people on the CP forum who complain about many of the decisions that Jason made about GB who can’t wait to buy it, completely ignoring the fact that Jason is also making the decisions for that game.  I will buy both.

[Jackfraser24]

5 minutes ago, BraveSirRobin said:

People will buy both.  There are people on the CP forum who complain about many of the decisions that Jason made about GB who can’t wait to buy it, completely ignoring the fact that Jason is also making the decisions for that game.  I will buy both.

To he honest I too would buy both games.

[Aapje]

Some would buy both, but many would just buy the best one. Or they would only get the other after a big discount. So it would be very dumb for both companies to cover the same battle, because they would cannibalize each other.

 

The only way I can see 1CGS do it, is if there would be some personal animosity where they want to make CP fail, but I don't think that is the case.

 

There are plenty of other battles to cover in the pacific anyway.

[Enceladus828]

I’d be okay with CP covering Midway and the SLOT with 1CGS covering the Philippines. I wouldn’t want very much the same area(s) covered because who wants to be jumping between two games just to fly 1 or 2 aircraft that they can’t fly in another.

[Avimimus]

Let's try to keep the Combat Pilot discussions in the Combat Pilot thread. I will say though that there is also the DCS Marianas map (which seems to be getting WWII assets, including ships)... so both 1944 and 1942 have sims in development. So, the ability to pick a time period with no competition is likely quite limited.

 

Also, once one has carrier operations and the aircraft modelled, they tend to overlap a lot with each other. It becomes relatively easy to do Coral Sea, Midway, Solomons, and Santa Cruz in quick succession - and many of the same aircraft and technologies are required to include the aviation portion of Guadalcanal. So the only way to avoid such overlap would be to focus on New Guinea, the Philippines, or Burma.

[Jackfraser24]

2 hours ago, Avimimus said:

Let's try to keep the Combat Pilot discussions in the Combat Pilot thread. I will say though that there is also the DCS Marianas map (which seems to be getting WWII assets, including ships)... so both 1944 and 1942 have sims in development. So, the ability to pick a time period with no competition is likely quite limited.

 

Also, once one has carrier operations and the aircraft modelled, they tend to overlap a lot with each other. It becomes relatively easy to do Coral Sea, Midway, Solomons, and Santa Cruz in quick succession - and many of the same aircraft and technologies are required to include the aviation portion of Guadalcanal. So the only way to avoid such overlap would be to focus on New Guinea, the Philippines, or Burma.

I agree with you that they should do the Philippines, New Guinea and Burma somewhere down the pipeline. I also think that there should be at least one module for every year that the Pacific War spanned. For example, Okinawa and Iwo Jima (1945); Philippines (1944-45); Marianas (1944); Caroline Islands (1943); New Guinea (1942-45); and the Coral Sea (1942). And they should fit in Burma sometime between the Pacific and the Med.

[Dr1falcon500]

On 8/10/2024 at 10:48 AM, Jackfraser24 said:

I doubt it for a long time. Reason being they have bigger priorities to deal with such as getting Korea and the Pacific War done. I really think that development on the new generation needs to be going at full steam ahead before they can do a WWI title or a Tank Crew title.

Bigger priorities than beautiful old planes? Sure let's have the skies filled with flying junk.

[LuftManu]

Interesting ideas and a very interesting future with everything that's coming! How exciting!

 

In my opinion, after Korea and some Pacific expansions (I'd love to see more than one), it would be interesting to return to Europe and the Mediterranean. We couldn't enjoy these two theaters in Great Battles, and I think it's a great idea to bring back our beloved Bf 109 and Fw 190, along with other Allied aircraft, on maps we haven't seen in a long time.

 

I believe it would be a great idea to bring back the "old and familiar" with a "new and fresh" touch, accompanied by the improved engine.
Operation Torch, El Alamein and Italy pe se would be a really cool experience. And also, to have limited Carrier ops to use that new tech there.

 

Best regards!

[Jackfraser24]

9 hours ago, LuftManu said:

I believe it would be a great idea to bring back the "old and familiar" with a "new and fresh" touch, accompanied by the improved engine.
Operation Torch, El Alamein and Italy pe se would be a really cool experience. And also, to have limited Carrier ops to use that new tech there.

 

Best regards!

I'd love to see a North African Module. It would appeal to me because my father's father's father fought in battles such as El Alamein. So did my father's mother's father's brother. 

 

Cliffs of Dover Tobruk never really appealed to me because the graphics and textures felt outdated and the clickable cockpits felt out of place for a game franchise like IL-2. Don't get me wrong, I appreciate the work that went into Cliffs of Dover series and I am aware there are people who like it. Fair play to them and those who made it. But I hope they make IL-2 Tobruk, El Alamein and Tunisia one day because it would mean more to me than anywhere else. 

Edited September 3, 2024 by Jackfraser24

[Enceladus828]

2 hours ago, Jackfraser24 said:

I'd love to see a North African Module. It would appeal to me because my father's father's father fought in battles such as El Alamein. So did my father's mother's father's brother. 

 

Cliffs of Dover Tobruk never really appealed to me because the graphics and textures felt outdated and the clickable cockpits felt out of place for a game franchise like IL-2. Don't get me wrong, I appreciate the work that went into Cliffs of Dover series and I am aware there are people who like it. Fair play to them and those who made it. But I hope they make IL-2 Tobruk, El Alamein and Tunisia one day because it would mean more to me than anywhere else. 

These are interesting places but Tunisia is the only one that I feel will be done in the Korea engine unless a 3rd party team makes a Tobruk map for GBs. TOBRUK offers a very complete depiction of the aircraft which participated in the Siege of Tobruk minus the MC. 200 and SM.79 that unless the 1CGS version included almost all the Desert planes (save for obviously the trainers) plus the 2 mentioned above and ships, you would have players jumping between the two games to fly aircraft or do things they can’t do in the other. Same goes with El Alamein, TFS plans to do that place and add a flyable B-17F and B-24D so with that players would probably be choosing the Dover series version. But with Tunisia there wouldn’t be any overlap and it could be that if players want Malta and Sicily get the Dover version, if they want Tunisia (and by extension Sicily) get the 1CGS.

 

The point I’m getting at is that if an installment will cover the same place/area as another game then it has to offer a rather major aspect not depicted in the other game. For instance, a Tank Crew installment (or whatever it will be called in the Korea engine) covering the Battles of El Alamein would be appealing to all players and wouldn’t overlap with the Dover series El Alamein installment since the latter would be more about the aerial engagements. Development costs money so it would be a rather poor business decision to do a bare bones copy of a battle that another game has covered quite nicely when there are other places which haven’t been covered that would appeal to all players. 

[BlitzPig_EL]

By the time the GB team gets around to doing something in North Africa, Clod/Tobruk will be dead as a door nail, hell, it's on life support now.