IL-2 4th Generation Future Titles

[Jackfraser24]

Greetings to all, I just want to announce that I am going top start a new thread on the IL-2 4th Generation because I think I have covered everything on Great Battles. If anybody want to ask questions for others to answer them or just leave comments, don't be shy, but please be civil to one another and please don't post any nasty comments. 

Edited August 19, 2024 by Jackfraser24

[Trooper117]

But we are still in this generation, aren't we?

[Jackfraser24]

1 hour ago, Trooper117 said:

But we are still in this generation, aren't we?

No, not from my understanding. IL-2 Korea is a completely separate game to Great Battles.

[Trooper117]

25 minutes ago, Jackfraser24 said:

No, not from my understanding. IL-2 Korea is a completely separate game to Great Battles.

 

Yes I know that, but we are still playing GB content, as there is no Korea content anywhere near completion to actually properly discuss or talk about.

The only things we see are snippets of information which the dev's display as the game is being worked on, and they already have their own established threads.

This threads premise is good, but it's perhaps a bit previous, as it will only be reproducing what the developers are posting.

Still, crack on old chap...

[Jackfraser24]

54 minutes ago, Trooper117 said:

Yes I know that, but we are still playing GB content, as there is no Korea content anywhere near completion to actually properly discuss or talk about.

Good point, I apologize for underestimating your knowledge. I wanted to talk about the future of this new series. that is the main topic I would like to stick to.

Edited August 9, 2024 by Jackfraser24

[Jackfraser24]

55 minutes ago, Trooper117 said:

This threads premise is good, but it's perhaps a bit previous, as it will only be reproducing what the developers are posting.

Still, crack on old chap...

Another good point, but I want to do a little more than that. I have created this thread to post ideas on what modules they could possibly do in the future so I can read what others can think (though I know that it seems pointless, but I like to do this in my spare time). I can't remember how to change the title of a thread so if anyone can give me instructions on how to do so I would really appreciate it.

[ST_Catchov]

1 hour ago, Jackfraser24 said:

I have created this thread to post ideas on what modules they could possibly do in the future

 

WW1. It's obvious innit. 

[Jackfraser24]

1 hour ago, ST_Catchov said:

 

WW1. It's obvious innit. 

I doubt it for a long time. Reason being they have bigger priorities to deal with such as getting Korea and the Pacific War done. I really think that development on the new generation needs to be going at full steam ahead before they can do a WWI title or a Tank Crew title.

Edited August 10, 2024 by Jackfraser24

[Jackfraser24]

IL-2 Okinawa

 

Why it would be a good idea

• The Battle of Okinawa was the last major battle of WWII in the Pacific. It was an important battle in terms of strategic location, brutality and the amount of lives lost. Taking Okinawa was also undertaken to prepare for Operation Downfall. I think making a module about this battle would commemorate the battle.
• Hundreds of planes of various type were used such as the Corsair, Hellcat, Helldiver, Seafire, A6M, Ki-84 and G4M. I believe that a good plane list will be compelling enough for virtual pilots to buy into the module. 
• A lot of naval action happened at Okinawa where lots of ships took part in the battle. American ships such as the USS Wasp, British King George V and Japanese ships like the Yamato would populate the seas around the Okinawan Islands.
• Much of the map would be ocean, the only bits of land being Okinawa, Iwo Jima, the Marianas and maybe the most southerly bit of Kyushu, Japan. Therefore, unless they model in the sea bed, I don't think the map would be too time consuming to make.
• It would be a good place in the Pacific to start. From here you would be able to work backwards chronologically. Working backwards would ensure you don't run out of planes for future modules by only having the most contemporary aircraft there.

Plane List

 

Allies

• F4U-1C
• P-47N
• P-51 D-25
• SB2C-4
• Seafire Mk. III (Collector)

Axis

• A6M7-62
• B6N2
• G4M2 (Collector)
• J2M5
• Ki-84-c

[Trooper117]

I think that after Guadalcanal (coming next), they should think out of the box a little and cover Malaya/Singapore... it's about time that the British involvement during the Pacific war had a detailed look in. Also, a look at the 'Flying Tigers' contribution would probably sell well.

[BlitzPig_EL]

Yamato never made it to Okinawa.  Even if she had she would have been turned to scrap in short order, even without help from our overwhelming air power.

 

The Allied order of battle, combat ships only:

 

US Navy combat ships:
11 fleet carriers, 6 light carriers, 22 escort carriers, 8 fast battleships, 10 old battleships, 2 large cruisers, 12 heavy cruisers, 13 light cruisers, 4 anti-aircraft light cruisers, 132 destroyers, 45 destroyer escorts

 

Royal Navy combat ships:
5 fleet carriers, 2 battleships, 7 light cruisers, 14 destroyers

Edited August 13, 2024 by BlitzPig_EL

[kraut1]

8 hours ago, Jackfraser24 said:

• . From here you would be able to work backwards chronologically. Working backwards would ensure you don't run out of planes for future modules by only having the most contemporary aircraft there.

 

I like the idea to begin with a late war module, because in this case the career pilots will be always be able to end the war.

In current IL-2 GB russian pilots are not able to end their wartime career.

[Jackfraser24]

8 hours ago, Trooper117 said:

I think that after Guadalcanal (coming next), they should think out of the box a little and cover Malaya/Singapore... 

I hate to break it, but I don’t think Guadalcanal will be next. I believe Combat Pilot has implied that that will be their next project after they have completed Midway. If both IL-2 and Combat Pilot covered the same battle, buyers will only go for the one that is better. 
 

 

[Jackfraser24]

8 hours ago, Trooper117 said:

Malaya/Singapore... 

That is an intriguing idea. I like it. I don’t think the Malayan Campaign has ever taken the central stage in flight combat simulation history (though if I am wrong, I’m more than happy for someone to correct me). It lasted a couple of months (Dec/08/41 - Feb/15/42), therefore we’d get a decent pilot career out of it. And (according to Wikipedia) there seems to be enough aircraft present from both sides to offer a decent battle. 

8 hours ago, Trooper117 said:

Also, a look at the 'Flying Tigers' contribution would probably sell well.

I agree with you on that one. I don’t think China has really been covered properly in realistic combat flight simulation history, neither has Burma. I believe China and Burma are an untapped resource for profit.

8 hours ago, Trooper117 said:

It’s about time that the British involvement during the Pacific war had a detailed look in.

I agree. 

8 hours ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

Yamato never made it to Okinawa. 

I know, but it made it into the parameters of the map I propose. I propose that the map would extend as far north as Southern Kyushu, as south and as east as the Marianas, and as west as the Philippine Sea.

[Trooper117]

26 minutes ago, Jackfraser24 said:

I hate to break it, but I don’t think Guadalcanal will be next.

 

After Midway, Guadalcanal will be next... it wasn't implied, it was confirmed by Jason. 

[Jackfraser24]

6 minutes ago, Trooper117 said:

 

After Midway, Guadalcanal will be next... it wasn't implied, it was confirmed by Jason. 

Thanks for correcting me🙂

[Jackfraser24]

There had been some interest when development for Great Battles to have a heavy bomber module, but I think Great Battles is better suited to cover more localized battles. However, could this new game support a map which covers the western half of Europe, be populated with 100s-1,000s of settlements across Britain, France, Germany and the Low Countries, and support heavy bombers such as the B-17, B-24, Lancaster and Halifax? Because if they could, it may take a bit longer than the typical DLC, but I think their efforts would pay off.

[BlitzPig_EL]

Well they have stated that after Korea it's the Pacific, which suits me fine.  I'm sick of 109s and FWs.  Sick of them.  I would only make an exception for North Africa.

[Vishnu]

17 minutes ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

Well they have stated that after Korea it's the Pacific, which suits me fine.  I'm sick of 109s and FWs.  Sick of them.  I would only make an exception for North Africa.

[BlitzPig_EL]

No, that's 20+ years of being exposed to them.  Time for something different.

[ST_Catchov]

There's no 109's or 190's in FC. Praise be the Lord that giveth this gift.

[BraveSirRobin]

1 hour ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

No, that's 20+ years of being exposed to them.  Time for something different.

Sorry, but WW2 air combat sims gonna 0-1-9.  Blame Hitler.  Ok, also blame devs for realizing that they can sell a slightly different 910 or 091 for the same price as some unique aircraft that they have to build from scratch.  

59 minutes ago, ST_Catchov said:

There's no 109's or 190's in FC. Praise be the Lord that giveth this gift.

The Lord is going to have to develop that sim, because no one else is.

[BlitzPig_EL]

3 minutes ago, BraveSirRobin said:

The Lord is going to have to develop that sim, because no one else is.

 

On this we can agree.

[Jackfraser24]

2 hours ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

Well they have stated that after Korea it's the Pacific, which suits me fine.  I'm sick of 109s and FWs.  Sick of them.  I would only make an exception for North Africa.

I meant some time after they have finished with the Pacific. When they have IL-2 Series development going at full speed. 

 

Speaking of the Pacific, here's where I think they will go.

• Okinawa
• Marianas
• Gilbert islands
• Coral Sea

But don't take my word as gospel. 

[Hoss]

I'm of the opinion they don't want to build Carriers. They say it involves to much time and work. (Like twin and four engined aircraft)

And if they aren't working on an Essex Carrier right now, there probably won't be one even if there is, an expansion. Not sure if the Corsair will make it worth buying without a boat. 

 

JM2CW

 

[BraveSirRobin]

7 minutes ago, Hoss said:

Not sure if the Corsair will make it worth buying without a boat. 

 

JM2CW

 

Good thing the US Navy didn’t feel that way.  Corsairs were not approved for carrier ops until late in WW2.  

[ST_Catchov]

1 hour ago, BraveSirRobin said:

The Lord is going to have to develop that sim, because no one else is.

 

The Lord moves in mysterious ways. Have faith lad. Do not follow the path that leads to ruin. Seek the light, heal your soul.

[BraveSirRobin]

38 minutes ago, ST_Catchov said:

 

The Lord moves in mysterious ways. Have faith lad. Do not follow the path that leads to ruin. Seek the light, heal your soul.

My soul will heal just fine in an F-86.

[LukeFF]

2 hours ago, Hoss said:

I'm of the opinion they don't want to build Carriers.

 

Eh, we mentioned in one of our previous videos we want to do carriers, and in fact work is being done on them right now.

[Jackfraser24]

17 hours ago, LukeFF said:

 

Eh, we mentioned in one of our previous videos we want to do carriers, and in fact work is being done on them right now.

Can't wait for carriers. 

 

Speaking of aircraft carriers, where in the Pacific do you think they will go? Have they already decided where they want to take the series? I doubt that they will go to Midway or the Solomon Islands because Combat Pilot is gong to cover them. 

[LukeFF]

9 minutes ago, Jackfraser24 said:

Have they already decided where they want to take the series?

 

Yes

 

🤐🙂

[Trooper117]

They are talking carriers for the Pacific... or are they? Could be a good misinformation plan, because the Pacific war was not just all about carriers.

But then again, Russia had a go in the Pacific region did they not?

[LukeFF]

I don't know why people are making this so difficult. 🙂 The video before this last one, Han talks about doing carriers because we plan to go to the Pacific. Just like we weren't going to develop jet engine tech for just the Me 262 and Ar 234, you don't build carrier tech for just Korea and then call it a day.

[ST_Catchov]

56 minutes ago, LukeFF said:

you don't build carrier tech for just Korea and then call it a day.

 

Precisely. It's not a difficult concept to understand. 

 

So barges first, to test the waters like ....

 

 

And then, providing it all works out ok, aquatics and stuff, move onto the big boys.

 

 

 

And, of course, the Channel Map. And then Korea/Pacific.

 

I like the way these boys are thinking.

[BraveSirRobin]

26 minutes ago, ST_Catchov said:

 

Precisely. It's not a difficult concept to understand. 

 

So barges first, to test the waters like ....

 

 

And then, providing it all works out ok, aquatics and stuff, move onto the big boys.

 

 

 

And, of course, the Channel Map. And then Korea/Pacific.

 

I like the way these boys are thinking.

Has 1C hired you to keep us informed of all the stuff that won’t be happening? 

[Calos_01]

10 hours ago, ST_Catchov said:

I like the way these boys are thinking.

I like the way you are thinking! 😀

[Trooper117]

I think we are all wishing for too much... all I can reasonably see is 'perhaps' channel map, and 'perhaps' a couple of aeroplanes we have been calling for, for an fm revision.

Having said that I'm not expecting it will come to fruition, but will be pleasantly surprised if anything does turn up. Realistic expectations, not pipe dreams.

(Cue Catchov to come and put me straight...)  

 

[Jackfraser24]

IL-2 Philippines

 

Why?

• This dlc would be able to cover two historically significant campaigns. The First Philippine Campaign of 1941-42 and the Second Philippine Campaign of 1944-45, which I know would be a lot of work making the maps and the Pilot Career mode but I think that their hard work on this will pay off.
• The Philippines Campaign of 1941-42 was a great victory for Japanese forces and a devastating blow for American forces in the Pacific. It went on from Dec/8/1941 to May/8/1942.
• The Philippines Campaign of 1944-45 was a long campaign that began with the amphibious invasion of Leyte Island and ended with the order from Tokyo to surrender. The campaign went on from Oct/20/1944 to Aug/15/1945. 
• Both campaigns had hundreds of planes operational in the region. Even though the Americans had 277 aircraft and the Japanese had 500+, it would still be enough to offer battle.
• Largest naval battle in the history of the world happened at Leyte Gulf. Many other large battles were fought here as well including the Battle of Leyte Island, the Battle of Luzon and the Battle of Mindanao. 
• This dlc would be a good education tool by showing how brutal both Philippine campaigns were. There were heaps of casualties which could be highlighted if individual infantrymen are going to be included in this upcoming game. There were kamikaze attacks too, which only made the battle more terrifying to experience. 
• The plane list would be a likable combination as well. Planes like the Corsair, Hellcat and the Helldiver were all present. Other planes suchas the A6M, Ki-43 and B6N would also make the list.
• Would appeal to the Philippine market by allowing Filipino virtual combat pilots to explore their WWII history. I'm sure it would sell quite well in the Australian market too since Australian forces took part in military operations in the Philippines during WWII. Appeal to virtual combat pilots whose ancestors fought in the region. 

Plane List (1941-42)

 

Japanese

• A5M
• A6M2
• D3A1
• Ki-21
• Ki-27 (Collector)

Allies

• B-17F (Collector)
• P-26A
• P-35A
• P-40E
• Tomahawk Mk.IIa/b

Plane List (1944-45)

 

Japanese

• A6M5c
• B6N2 (Collector)
• Ki-43-III Hayabusa
• N1K2-J
• Ki-61 Hei

 

Allies

• F-6F-5
• P-38J
• P-40N
• P-51 D-15
• B-17G (Collector)

[Enceladus828]

23 hours ago, ST_Catchov said:

And, of course, the Channel Map. And then Korea/Pacific

If FC4 is it for any major WW1 development in GBs then I hope the devs will contract another 3rd party team to bring the RoF Channel and Tarnopol maps to the new engine, and add the Italian, Romanian, Balkans and Palestine Fronts to it.

[ST_Catchov]

Think about it. Why would the Devs do Korea, a peninsula girt by sea, if they weren't gonna do WW1 Italy with seaplanes. It just makes sense. They are merely testing the waters, so to speak, in order to perfect the new technology for just this purpose. It's a no-brainer. The Devs ain't stupid and I've often complemented them on that.

 

After that, it's the Channel map and SE England of course. Including London. I mean why would they be doing Paris if not intent on London. It's just logic. People, please keep up.