1CGS LukeFF Posted July 31, 2024 1CGS Posted July 31, 2024 Hey everyone! In our latest Brief Room episode, our lead historical researcher Viktor Sechnoy discusses the F-80 with Daniel Tuseev, plus they answer your questions. In one of the next episodes, we will talk about the graphics engine, the pilot, the game world display system, and programming. If you have any questions about these topics, please ask them here before August 04: https://forms.gle/upZ32iP3QAZg62ev6 9 4 1
Mtnbiker1998 Posted July 31, 2024 Posted July 31, 2024 Greatly appreciate the team speaking english for us this time around, looking forward to watching this one! 3 5
Jade_Monkey Posted July 31, 2024 Posted July 31, 2024 (edited) On 7/31/2024 at 4:49 PM, Bars- said: So Korea release in the end of 2025! Yeah, that was my takeaway, I thought that reading between the lines from prior videos, it would be closer to mid-2025. We waited for so long, and they said they wouldn't start sharing till we were much closer to the final release. Now they started sharing but we aren't close??? Idk man, the expectations need to be managed a bit better Edited August 1, 2024 by Jade_Monkey 1 3
1CGS LukeFF Posted July 31, 2024 Author 1CGS Posted July 31, 2024 3 minutes ago, Jade_Monkey said: Yeah, that was my takeaway, I thought that reading between the lines from prior videos, it would be closer to mid-2024. We waited for so long, and they said they wouldn't start sharing till we were much closer to the final release. Now they started sharing but we aren't close??? Idk man, the expectations need to be managed a bit better We said from the very first announcement the release would be in 2025. 3
Jade_Monkey Posted July 31, 2024 Posted July 31, 2024 4 minutes ago, LukeFF said: We said from the very first announcement the release would be in 2025. That was a typo, I meant 2025
LuftManu Posted July 31, 2024 Posted July 31, 2024 Just finished the video! Wow! Carrier ops in the future and British carrier sounds really good as future expansions! There is a ton of cool of options for this and also to get a good base for the later Pacific Operations! Kinds regards and thanks team! 3 1
deathmisser Posted July 31, 2024 Posted July 31, 2024 4 minutes ago, LuftManu said: Just finished the video! Wow! Carrier ops in the future and British carrier sounds really good as future expansions! There is a ton of cool of options for this and also to get a good base for the later Pacific Operations! Kinds regards and thanks team! So did I just hear they are gonna do carrier expansion for Korea ?
Trooper117 Posted July 31, 2024 Posted July 31, 2024 Thanks for doing the video in English... compared to the other videos, this was much more natural and enjoyable to watch, and couple that with subtitles it was easy to understand all the information, so well done chaps! 2 2
LuftManu Posted July 31, 2024 Posted July 31, 2024 4 minutes ago, deathmisser said: So did I just hear they are gonna do carrier expansion for Korea ? Looks like it! The team just said they are working on Deck operations right now for their Pacific entry, so if the tech is working, we should be able to get also Carrier ops on Korea and even the Royal Navy involved. Which IMO is a great way to start with Carrier ops and also offer expansions to Korea with cool content. 4 1
1CGS LukeFF Posted July 31, 2024 Author 1CGS Posted July 31, 2024 3 minutes ago, deathmisser said: So did I just hear they are gonna do carrier expansion for Korea ? It's a very real possibility. 3 2 2
deathmisser Posted July 31, 2024 Posted July 31, 2024 26 minutes ago, LukeFF said: It's a very real possibility. Oh sweet, I mean I did speculate it a week or so ago but got shoot down by a few people. But now who the smarty pants. 😛😁 /s 2
Trooper117 Posted July 31, 2024 Posted July 31, 2024 Pilots notes for the Sea Fury, May 1950... https://www.airwar.ru/other/manuals/[aviation] - [manuals] - Sea Fury 10&11 Pilot`s Notes.pdf 2
Blitzen Posted July 31, 2024 Posted July 31, 2024 2025? I think I can put my enthusiasm for KOREA back to bed for a while...quite a while... 2 1
Avimimus Posted July 31, 2024 Posted July 31, 2024 You two have quite good English. Not doing aircraft in vacuum makes a lot of sense. But that does make me want to ask for an alternate history scenario set in the Baltic or West Germany... or the Suez Crisis... ah, well, maybe someday after you've modelled everything else! 4
deathmisser Posted July 31, 2024 Posted July 31, 2024 2 minutes ago, Avimimus said: You two have quite good English. Not doing aircraft in vacuum makes a lot of sense. But that does make me want to ask for an alternate history scenario set in the Baltic or West Germany... or the Suez Crisis... ah, well, maybe someday after you've modelled everything else! Cold war turning hot would make me buy it lol. I mean when Soviet fighters kept shooting down Americans their commanders would say might as well add those as kills. So I've learnt. I don't mind the Israeli war of Independent as you could have some interesting blue on blue aircraft engagements.
Jackfraser24 Posted July 31, 2024 Posted July 31, 2024 Would anyone like to see a Falklands War scenario?
GOA_Karaya_VR Posted July 31, 2024 Posted July 31, 2024 (edited) I appreciate the time for the Devs to clarify some questions about the new project. This kind of aproach with the comunity is what makes rich this nich/family of flight sim enthusiast. Regards. Edited July 31, 2024 by GOA_CompanereKaraya_VR 1 2
BlitzPig_EL Posted July 31, 2024 Posted July 31, 2024 1 hour ago, Jackfraser24 said: Would anyone like to see a Falklands War scenario? I have zero interest in combat flight sims in the modern, beyond visual range guided missile era. I find the Falklands War historically very interesting, but I have no desire to recreate it in a sim. 4
deathmisser Posted July 31, 2024 Posted July 31, 2024 59 minutes ago, BlitzPig_EL said: I have zero interest in combat flight sims in the modern, beyond visual range guided missile era. I find the Falklands War historically very interesting, but I have no desire to recreate it in a sim. Yea if people want modern they have DCS, GB/K is a game all about just guns no missiles or anything. 1
Aapje Posted July 31, 2024 Posted July 31, 2024 My responses: I think that a Carrier DLC for Korea would be great. Both to expand the available planes and to provide a very exciting new challenge Shorter videos seem like a good idea. No matter what method you choose, the English is imperfect, which is hard to listen to for long videos. By releasing shorter videos, it's easier for the viewer. And the team can in principle record just as long, but then split up the recording session in multiple parts. Then they get a bathroom break in the middle too Good to hear that the AI will be adapter to jets. 1
Avimimus Posted July 31, 2024 Posted July 31, 2024 2 hours ago, Aapje said: No matter what method you choose, the English is imperfect, which is hard to listen to for long videos. Ah! The viewer's brain can just get stronger. I remember when I was reading a lot of poorly translated stuff... and fact that Russian doesn't use present tense articles. I was tired one night and thought 'English doesn't really need them'... wrote on one of the Il-2 forums... and someone replied 'Nice to see another Russian on the forums' 😄 Anyway, with practice it is possible to get used to the slight difference in pronunciation etc. P.S. It is regrettable that English is such an eccentric language. I'm always sympathetic to those who put in the effort to learn it! 2 hours ago, BlitzPig_EL said: I have zero interest in combat flight sims in the modern, beyond visual range guided missile era. I find the Falklands War historically very interesting, but I have no desire to recreate it in a sim. I think Falklands is all WVR though? With the exception of a handful of Exocet launches ...weren't all of the air-to-air engagements with just guns or IR missiles? Also the other anti-shipping strikes were with iron bombs (and would have been much more devastating if the Argentinians had figured out they had a fusing problem). Even the SAM batteries were blowpipes (which were MCLOS, right?) So not that much more advanced. I'd like to see the Gulf of Venice/Isonzo first... but I can see why some people would find the Falklands very interesting too... I'm gradually reaching the point where I'm realising that, if I don't find something interesting, the issue might be more with me than it is with the proposed module. 😄 1
ST_Catchov Posted July 31, 2024 Posted July 31, 2024 Wow! So Viktor was part of the original Gennadich Team! I love you man. So does that mean after Korea, WWII Pacific and Vietnam you'll be going back to WW1?
No105_Swoose Posted August 1, 2024 Posted August 1, 2024 Wow! Excellent video. A little difficult to understand at times but they got their main points across well and I am impressed by their knowledge of the first-generation jet Lockheed F-80 Shooting Star. I have submitted a couple of questions about tactics used by MiG-15s flown by Soviet pilots in 1951. If not the next video, maybe they could answer my questions in a video focused more on tactics? Thanks!
GOA_Karaya_VR Posted August 1, 2024 Posted August 1, 2024 22 minutes ago, MajorMagee said: A little daydreaming. Fs 2004?
Jackfraser24 Posted August 1, 2024 Posted August 1, 2024 9 hours ago, deathmisser said: Yea if people want modern they have DCS, GB/K is a game all about just guns no missiles or anything. I understand where you’re coming from. People want to be able to shoot down planes themselves rather than just firing an air to air missile which would be a boring pilot career mode. DCS has its place as a super high fidelity and very detailed flight simulator but some people don’t like very comprehensive and clickable cockpits.
Bell Posted August 1, 2024 Posted August 1, 2024 46 minutes ago, Jackfraser24 said: I understand where you’re coming from. People want to be able to shoot down planes themselves rather than just firing an air to air missile which would be a boring pilot career mode. DCS has its place as a super high fidelity and very detailed flight simulator but some people don’t like very comprehensive and clickable cockpits. For WWII aircraft, not having a clickable cockpit might not be a problem, but for a jet with complex avionics, not being able to operate the MFD is ridiculous.
1PL-Husar-1Esk Posted August 1, 2024 Posted August 1, 2024 10 hours ago, Bell said: For WWII aircraft, not having a clickable cockpit might not be a problem, but for a jet with complex avionics, not being able to operate the MFD is ridiculous. Those first jets does have complex avionics? I don't think so, but I might be wrong. Even DSC will release simplified MiG15, F5, F86 for Flaming Cliffs....
FeuerFliegen Posted August 1, 2024 Posted August 1, 2024 On the subject of drawing the timeline between what IL-2 should be and not go past it, I think Korea, or maybe just a tiny bit past that, is a good place to draw the line as I recall several years ago when I was learning a few facts about the F-86 Sabre was known as "one of the last military jets to be flown manually by a single pilot" I think that the words within those quotation marks is a good way to draw the line at the extent in time that IL-2 should go into. And besides, there are lots more WW2 and earlier scenarios that can still be done. And given enough time with computer technology improving, many scenarios that have already been done will have reason to be done again.
Avimimus Posted August 1, 2024 Posted August 1, 2024 Multifunction displays don't appear until the mid-1970s in the United States. Other countries took longer, with many Soviet aircraft retaining analogue gauges (as backups) and not adopting MFDs until versions in the 1990s (many of which weren't produced due to the collapse of the Soviet Union). If one looks at the Su-25 cockpit, it is surprisingly similar to a WWII cockpit... same goes with a surprising number of Cold War types. The same observation goes for BVR combat - it wasn't really a thing until the mid-1970s (with the exception of the AIM-7, which was quite unreliable during the 1960s) and BVR is defined as about 20-35 km range... so just at the edge of visual range (and sometimes within it). As for early air-to-air missiles - they had trouble turning to follow targets effectively and could be spoofed by flying so the sun was behind you (infrared missiles) or the ground was behind you (radar missiles)... so more of a weapon for ambushes than dogfights. That said - If I were the devs I'd probably avoid any later time period than 1955... mainly due to the complexity of avionics. The number of navigation, night landing, and other systems begins rapidly increasing from 1955 onward, along with primitive radars - and most of these would have to be modelled - which increases modelling time, and means fewer aircraft, fewer maps etc. There are clearly still a lot of people who want more WWII and WWI...! The one exception might be the Suez Crisis of 1956 - as a lot of the aircraft types were second-line or export aircraft and match Korea in terms of both when they were designed and entering service. That said, complaints about MFDs, BVR, and missile only combat isn't really a good argument even against the Falklands or the Six Day War. 1 1
BladeMeister Posted August 1, 2024 Posted August 1, 2024 I really want to thank Daniel and Victor for speaking English for all of us "Americanskis". Your English is not "crappy", I understood it very easily. Oh and Daniel, it is the "P80", that's the "P80" my friend. It seems that IL2 Korea is coming along nicely. I really look forward to hearing about the graphics engine updates and how it will hopefully handle more assets than the current version. Please work hard to establish a credible AI as this has been one area where both 777 and 1C, in ROF, GB and FC, have fallen very short. The P80 looks fabulous. Keep up the good work gents! S!Blade<>< 1 1
Talisman Posted August 1, 2024 Posted August 1, 2024 (edited) Great stuff! Many thanks. I am looking forward to a future briefing room episode when you talk to us about Korea helicopters! Very good news about the Sea Fury! Looking forward to flying the Mig 15. Happy landings, Talisman Edited August 1, 2024 by Talisman 1 1
[CPT]Crunch Posted August 1, 2024 Posted August 1, 2024 19 hours ago, Avimimus said: I think Falklands is all WVR though? With the exception of a handful of Exocet launches ...weren't all of the air-to-air engagements with just guns or IR missiles? Also the other anti-shipping strikes were with iron bombs (and would have been much more devastating if the Argentinians had figured out they had a fusing problem). Even the SAM batteries were blowpipes (which were MCLOS, right?) So not that much more advanced. AIM-9L all aspect was rushed priority to the Royal Navy while still in testing for some great live field testing and performed most impressively.
Avimimus Posted August 1, 2024 Posted August 1, 2024 6 hours ago, Talisman said: Very good news about the Sea Fury! Just a reminder - they said they were thinking of possibly doing a Sea Fury if they eventually manage to do Carriers for Korea... so, probably, three things still need to go right for it to happen. So, let's try not to count our Centaurus engines before they've hatched. But I agree that it is encouraging for Sea Fury fans 😄
ST_Catchov Posted August 1, 2024 Posted August 1, 2024 Possible Sea Fury you say. Ok, nice. Carriers I think, are a certainty. Choppers? Nope.
1CGS LukeFF Posted August 1, 2024 Author 1CGS Posted August 1, 2024 3 hours ago, Avimimus said: Just a reminder - they said they were thinking of possibly doing a Sea Fury if they eventually manage to do Carriers for Korea... so, probably, three things still need to go right for it to happen. So, let's try not to count our Centaurus engines before they've hatched. But I agree that it is encouraging for Sea Fury fans 😄 Yes, so as VikS talked about in the video, if anyone has good, high-quality sources for the Sea Fury or can get us in touch with someone who does, please let us know. Same deal with the Meteor F.8 - I see there is one at the RAF Museum... 🤔 1
deathmisser Posted August 1, 2024 Posted August 1, 2024 8 minutes ago, LukeFF said: Yes, so as VikS talked about in the video, if anyone has good, high-quality sources for the Sea Fury or can get us in touch with someone who does, please let us know. Same deal with the Meteor F.8 - I see there is one at the RAF Museum... 🤔 Defo not sus for asking these two 😉😄
Avimimus Posted August 1, 2024 Posted August 1, 2024 36 minutes ago, LukeFF said: Yes, so as VikS talked about in the video, if anyone has good, high-quality sources for the Sea Fury or can get us in touch with someone who does, please let us know. Same deal with the Meteor F.8 - I see there is one at the RAF Museum... 🤔 I believe we have an FB.11 in Ottawa that I could probably get access to when I go home to visit sometime. There are Meteor F.8 examples in many places around the world: List of surviving Gloster Meteors - Wikipedia The Firefly might be needed (at least as AI) for the Sea Fury - it seems most survivors are examples of the Mk.I or AS.6 versions... although there is an AS.6 with a Mk.5 body... we'd be looking for an Fr.5 - correct? So it should all be doable. It is just a matter of identifying exactly what information is needed.
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