Spanish Civil War, and early WWII

[=BLW=Pablo]

Hello everybody!
I see that both the IL-2 company and a large part of the public have their eyes set on the war in Korea in a completely new game.
But I think we can still have good adventures here on IL-2
When people talk about air warfare in Europe, what almost always comes to mind is the Battle of Britain. But we had good duels before BoB.
In the Spanish Civil War, for example, it was practically the last gasp of the biplane and the beginning of a new era of monoplanes.

 

 

The BF-109 would enter combat for the first time, still in its B series, and with the Jumo Junkers engine.
While the I-16 proved to be a dangerous opponent, with a higher rate of climb and better maneuverability.

 

In the Battle of France, there were already new versions of the BF-109, with the Daimler-Benz engine in its E-1 and E-3 versions.
They fought against good opponents like the Hawk-75 as it was known in Europe, or P-36 as it was called in the American air force. It was the father of the P-40 and was basically a P-40 with a radial engine and a shorter fuselage.

 

 

Not to mention other good opponents, such as the MS-406, the Dewoitine D.520, the Bloch MB.152 and the Arsenal VG.33

 

I rarely saw threads asking for these theaters from before the BoB, so I decided to make this one. 

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[Trooper117]

Yes Pablo, I like early war stuff... but I doubt very much whether they will even entertain such possibilities the way things are...

[Aapje]

Spain would indeed be a great theater, both very interesting from a political and military perspective. However, I think that they will first do some more pacific stuff and when they return to Europe, I expect them to first do a big WW II engagement, like Britain or early war France. Otherwise I foresee a lot of anger by some people who want IL-2 to go back to Europe, but only really care about WW 2.

[Avimimus]

SCW is a fascinating transitional period - and quite popular among forum members. However, it is likely that regular forum members are not representative of the overall market and the devs have a lot of other priorities - I think we can hope that, someday, perhaps the genre will grow large enough that there will be a big enough market to support a 3rd party making the SCW. I suspect that is at least a decade off though... we'll see.

[Trooper117]

A decade... quite a few of us will be brown bread by then!  ⚰️ 💀

[OSIW]

From my perspective SCW, or early WWII would be more interesting than Korea.

On release I`m gonna pass on IL2 Korea. Simply because that theatre doesn`t interest me.

But as Korea seems to be the base of future developement I most likely will buy it some time later.

Let`s see what IL2 Korea evolves into...

[BlitzPig_EL]

I love the early period myself,  first monoplanes, last biplanes, Spain, or Japan's early conquest of China.  Lot's of interesting aircraft and scenarios.  That said, most people who throw money at flight siming want later hot rods,  I think that is unquestionable.  That coupled with the fact that the developers are doing this as a business means we will probably never see these 1930s scenarios as official releases.  If they happen at all it will be because third party enthusiasts make them, so it will be a long wait.

[LuftManu]

I am sure that if enough people are interested, third groups can be created to develop these theaters in Great Battles. Of course, they are not as famous as other theaters (And I am Spanish).

So, if it's a cool theater with enough interesting people, it can be developed!

[BlitzPig_EL]

I hope you are right LuftManu.  I really do.

[LuftManu]

1 hour ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

I hope you are right LuftManu.  I really do.

Hey, El. I would love a Siege of Malta and Battle of France too! 

But yeah, we've been around here for many years and people want to fly a Mustang, Ta-152 and other famous aircraft. How many times did we have a Channel map versus a Malta map? 

 

That's the main dish, however... there is possibilities in more theaters for GB and I am sure, with the new project (and easier to work tech) this is also a possibility  in the newer engine (and maybe a more feasible one).

 

The Finnish guys (KarttaKomppania) doing the map are now collaborating with the team as the funds were not enough for a first release and manpower grew less with the years (as stated by their message on Patreon). If people want other theaters they need to support these groups with funds. I again state Thank you! to the Finnish team as they have done a huge work and I will pay again good money to have that as a theater for GB in the future

 

Good wishes are cool! but work needs money and time and we've reach a point where a simple plane or map is miles ahead of what it was with 1946 or simple games (where a few guys could create a plane in a few months). Right now we have very detailed planes, maps...

As we speak right now, a group could be createad to make a North Africa map too.  Same with a B-25, but are there people willing to work on it? Is it worth it? This is a lot, a lot of work and if someone does it, I don't think it's for money.

 

I was saying something like this for the B-29 from Korea. We don't know yet if it's going to be flyable. Probably not, but if people want it then show the devs the interest on it or similar planes.
This is why a Hurricane, a G-6 A/S and even the Ta were developed. There were a few polls and many posts (Probably many people remember those). I am sure the devs saw that they could pay their daily bills with these planes too in a realistic timeframe of developing time.

If it wasn't for time or funds, we would have the whole WW2 era in development or already developed to enjoy by the team who of course, love building aircraft and also want their sim to be a success. 

So yeah! guys let's support the devs or third party groups if they develop our "dream theaters". Money is needed, plus time in this world we live in an I prefer to expend it here  

 

So count me in.

 

[=BLW=Pablo]

Taking advantage of the fact that we have gathered admirers of these old birds.
What do you think of a patch with the racing planes and the map of the place where the Schneider Trophy races were held?

 

Imagine how cool it would be to have a racing server, and be able to fly the Spitfire's grandfather.

[Rjel]

7 hours ago, Trooper117 said:

A decade... quite a few of us will be brown bread by then!  ⚰️ 💀

I'm right there with you....

[danielprates]

3 hours ago, LuftManu said:

Siege of Malta

 

This here. Or anything Italy. Operation Husky, anything.

[kraut1]

On 7/20/2024 at 9:32 AM, =BLW=Pablo said:

Hello everybody!
I see that both the IL-2 company and a large part of the public have their eyes set on the war in Korea in a completely new game.
But I think we can still have good adventures here on IL-2
When people talk about air warfare in Europe, what almost always comes to mind is the Battle of Britain. But we had good duels before BoB.
In the Spanish Civil War, for example, it was practically the last gasp of the biplane and the beginning of a new era of monoplanes.

 

 

The BF-109 would enter combat for the first time, still in its B series, and with the Jumo Junkers engine.
While the I-16 proved to be a dangerous opponent, with a higher rate of climb and better maneuverability.

 

In the Battle of France, there were already new versions of the BF-109, with the Daimler-Benz engine in its E-1 and E-3 versions.
They fought against good opponents like the Hawk-75 as it was known in Europe, or P-36 as it was called in the American air force. It was the father of the P-40 and was basically a P-40 with a radial engine and a shorter fuselage.

 

 

Not to mention other good opponents, such as the MS-406, the Dewoitine D.520, the Bloch MB.152 and the Arsenal VG.33

 

I rarely saw threads asking for these theaters from before the BoB, so I decided to make this one. 

🍻

 

 

 

Hi,

I support your suggestion for the early war theatres.

Would be great to get them, but I am not sure in how many years?

If you are interested in creating/flying some SCW / BoF missions there are some Skinpacks with SCW and french(russian) skins available and 2 modifications of EMG by Vander for SCW / BoF semi historic mission creation available.

[=BLW=Pablo]

On 7/23/2024 at 10:57 AM, kraut1 said:

Hi,

I support your suggestion for the early war theatres.

Would be great to get them, but I am not sure in how many years?

If you are interested in creating/flying some SCW / BoF missions there are some Skinpacks with SCW and french(russian) skins available and 2 modifications of EMG by Vander for SCW / BoF semi historic mission creation available.

Thank you for your support, but for this to become a reality, we will need much more support.

[DanHR]

Using the excuse of early war and pre-war planes, we could get spanish civil war, as its under represented in games