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56 minutes ago, Dagwoodyt said:

So how is it working with GB Il-2?

Having the DIY rhino ffb base plus virpil constellation stick , highly customizable via telem ffb, very happy till so far with il2 gb.

 

Thinking of getting their MFG rudder ffb kit too.

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5 hours ago, dgiatr said:

Having the DIY rhino ffb base plus virpil constellation stick , highly customizable via telem ffb, very happy till so far with il2 gb.

 

Thinking of getting their MFG rudder ffb kit too.

My OG Rhino is on its' way through KARMELAVA LT ATM🤞

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I love my Rhino Joystick and the RhinoMFG modded peddals.

The possibilities are endless and the community on the Rhino Discord is great.

I will try to offer kits for all available peddals to mod them with a Rhino motor and use them with FFB.

The RhinoMFG kit is already available.

Next one is the RhinoTPR (Thrustmaster TPR with Rhino).
But I can only spend money on buying a TPR after my RhinoMFG pedals prototype has been sold. So come on guys and buy the sexy RhinoMFG prototype 😉
 

Here is a picture of a first try to mod the TPR of a friend.
They are working, but I need to optimise the parts a little bit more.
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39 minutes ago, SRF_kaltokri said:

Next one is the RhinoTPR (Thrustmaster TPR with Rhino).

Hope you're able to sell your RhinoMFG pedals soon. I have the TPR pedals and would hate to switch. I guess the same specs power supply used for for the Rhino base would be fine for the pedals.(?)

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Yes, same specs. I had some problems with a notebook psu when when I quickly change direction with full deflection.
I switched to the Meanwell LRS 350/24 which feeds both (joystick and rudders) and it works perfectly.

Here is a picture of the RhinoMFG prototyp which I am currently selling. If someone wants it just send me a pm.


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For the next three Rhino Joystick DIY kits I am offering a new free service. I will assemble all parts as far as possible. This means that the customer only needs to add the motors, aluminum pulleys, belts, mainboard and wiring. Then he screws on the front and base plate and the Rhino is finished.
It is also possible to order a completely built DIY Rhino Joystick from me. Both ways lead to a Rhino joystick without a long waiting time. Please contact me via PM if you are interested.

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57 минут назад, SRF_kaltokri сказал:

Here are two videos from Hiob to show the effects on the RhinoMFG.
One shows the spring force which will be different depending on the speeds.
The other shows the effect just before a stall.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NZt3mOSLmp1jtxvrNdaE3mDCGeoVGOCD/view?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1pVY_yHfMUIJincFG-UX7ShViL5YinNr8/view?usp=sharing

Hi.
Question, what is the maximum pedal force in kg?

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I don't know and, to be honest, I don't care at all. I want tactile feedback from the game, not a substitute for a gym. 😉
I know there are people who really want concrete rudders. But I'm not one of them.

If you want brutal force, the FFBeast products are a better choice.

I like to have as much effects as possible and because of that, I've choosen the Rhino ecosystem. And I'm loving it.

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1 час назад, SRF_kaltokri сказал:

I don't know and, to be honest, I don't care at all. I want tactile feedback from the game, not a substitute for a gym. 😉
I know there are people who really want concrete rudders. But I'm not one of them.

If you want brutal force, the FFBeast products are a better choice.

I like to have as much effects as possible and because of that, I've choosen the Rhino ecosystem. And I'm loving it.

I am also not a supporter of the "gym" :) , so on my FFBeast I reduced the power by 40%. But if the motor power is not enough to hold the TM handle on a 20 cm extension, then what's the point of such a mechanic...

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12 hours ago, SRF_kaltokri said:

Here are two videos from Hiob to show the effects on the RhinoMFG.
One shows the spring force which will be different depending on the speeds.
The other shows the effect just before a stall.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NZt3mOSLmp1jtxvrNdaE3mDCGeoVGOCD/view?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1pVY_yHfMUIJincFG-UX7ShViL5YinNr8/view?usp=sharing

 

I didnt think I needed FFB rudders until I saw the second video!

 

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28 minutes ago, BOO said:

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O Happy Day! 🙂 

Well done!!

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Looking at mine and trying to decide best way center mount it on a DIY fixture.🤔

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Now I've seen the stunts Moza is pulling in ripping off others software Im even happier with my Rhino choice. Certainly crystalised the innovator versus big corp lower costs quandry. 

 

I hope some of those You Tubers cotton onto whats occuring instead of blindily exclaiming the the furture of FFB is here having been given a freebie. 

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15 hours ago, Dagwoodyt said:

Looking at mine and trying to decide best way center mount it on a DIY fixture.🤔

Mine is side mounted due to swivel chair!!🙃...haven't found anybody else yet doing this..

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1 hour ago, dgiatr said:

Mine is side mounted due to swivel chair!!🙃...haven't found anybody else yet doing this..

would be an immersion killer for me😊 I'm trying to devise a way to slide the base fore and aft from my chair, a 40 year old swivel.😄

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Devised a slide tray by partially deconstructing the fixture I had used with VKB base using first 20cm extension and subsequented modified to use 10cm ext. The tray slides back and forth on shelf. Slot below shelf can be further weighted if needed. Using VKB MCG Ultimate grip for the Rhino. An advantage of VR I don't recall having seen mentioned is that seat height can be adjusted for best relationship to joystick grip rather than being dictated by monitor placement or Track IR.🙂

 

 

 

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Can't have a sliding mechanism without showing us a little video, mate :P

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My project to mod a Thrustmaster TPR with Rhino to have Force Feedback makes some progress.

Here the second prototype of my Thrustmaster-Mainboard-Holder.
I wanted to remove the internal USB hub and all USB adaptors of the Tiger-MOD.
This will reduce the price and reduces vulnerability of failures.

 

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The Moza software debacle seems to suggest that compatibility with VPforce software should be the standard for ffb bases and rudder pedals.🤔

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Commercial companies are going to want to differentiate themselves with the software, so I don't see that happening.

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4 hours ago, Aapje said:

Commercial companies are going to want to differentiate themselves with the software, so I don't see that happening.

 

cept....Moza are wholesale copying it. 

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Yes, but also keeping it closed to they can add their own proprietary features.

Posted
1 hour ago, Aapje said:

Yes, but also keeping it closed to they can add their own proprietary features.

 

Like bad Chinese translations of the original VP terms and such 🙂 

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BTW, the FFB base from Winwing is probably coming fairly soon. They say that it's waiting for the "Patent Office to finish the patent application review process."

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I think we are attempting to change the subject. 😉

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The final version of the RhinoTPR-Tiger-DIY-Kit-Inside-Version is done.
See this post for details.

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The final version of the RhinoTPR-Tiger-DIY-Kit Motor-Outside-Version is done.
See this post for details.

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Added a caution to the Moza section, warning that the TM offset adapter is not compatible.

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Next projects are building a Rhino DIY kit for Virpil VPC Rotor TCS Collective and Virpil VPC ACE Flight Pedals.

 

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Daliaraptor
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Hi Guys

Happy new Year! Seems to be a costly one. lol

 

Im caught from the ffb hypetrain. I refurbished my old Logitech G940 and was ready to for takeoff after some years. Until

i found out, that the drivers for this old hardware only supports to win10. I guess i have to spend some money.

 

Do you guys know, if i, for example buy the MOZA Station. Is it fully compatible with say a throttle, Ruder or Console from a different party?

The VIRPIL VPC Controllpanel would be my Favourite right now.

Or i am Stuck with one Brand. Are there standard protocols and Connectors used? Is MOZA or WinWing a proprietary company or are they open for competition?

Im not up to date as i used the G940 now for over 10 years and i couldn’t go back to none FFB. Thats just not possible😂

I may wait until WinWing is pulling the trigger. The extra Newtonmeters Torque may be worth it. as i fly exclusively WW2 planes.

 

The FFBeast Products look kinda interesting. I have all the tools to build one. I found out, that it uses a Hoverboard Motor - thats a interesting Idea. But then, how you prevent the Motors from burning when pulling to long at one spule?

There are rotary encoders for positional awareness. But i cant find something like a slip-clutch to prevent motor burn? Because if i go the road with FFBeast, that would be a concern. How is the Software?

 

Would be great to hear your thoughts as many of you collected some valuable experiences the last years i have missed, obviously.

 

Cheers Mates

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Daliaraptor said:

Hi Guys

Happy new Year! Seems to be a costly one. lol

 

Im caught from the ffb hypetrain. I refurbished my old Logitech G940 and was ready to for takeoff after some years. Until

i found out, that the drivers for this old hardware only supports to win10. I guess i have to spend some money.

 

Do you guys know, if i, for example buy the MOZA Station. Is it fully compatible with say a throttle, Ruder or Console from a different party?

Or i am Stuck with one Brand. Are there standard protocols and Connectors used? Is MOZA or WinWing a proprietary company or are they open for competition?

Im not up to date as i used the G940 now for over 10 years and i couldn’t go back to none FFB. Thats just not possible😂

I may wait until WinWing is pulling the trigger. The extra Newtonmeters Torque may be worth it. as i fly exclusively WW2 planes.

 

The FFBeast Products look kinda interesting. I have all the tools to build one. But i cant see what kind of Motors and transmission they use.

I would guess a closed Loop Stepper. But then, how you prevent the Motors from burning when pulling to long at one spule?

Normally a Closed Loop is made for counting losen steps. But only for a short period of time. Loosing to many steps will cut it off for reasons.

Are there rotary encoders or a slip-clutch with halleffect-sensors for positional awareness? Anybody? Because if i go the road with FFBeast, that would be a concern.

 

Would be great to hear your thoughts as many of you collected some valuable experiences the last years i have missed, obviously.

 

Cheers Mates

 

 

 

 

If you are into building your own and as a VP Force Rhino owner (one you havent mentioned) I can recommend you joining their discord and looking around. Lots of information on self builds there. Self builds are based on kits so the circuits and software take care of the motors burning out etc.

 

If you want good support from the maker and software writers I would also recommend smaller companies over corporates, some of who seem content to pass off the software of others as their own. Ive posted elsewhere about just of agile a smaller company is at resolving stuff. 

 

Nothing is exclusive with the existing FFBs on the market. You can use what you want with what you want. 

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1 hour ago, BOO said:

 

If you are into building your own and as a VP Force Rhino owner (one you havent mentioned) I can recommend you joining their discord and looking around. Lots of information on self builds there. Self builds are based on kits so the circuits and software take care of the motors burning out etc.

 

If you want good support from the maker and software writers I would also recommend smaller companies over corporates, some of who seem content to pass off the software of others as their own. Ive posted elsewhere about just of agile a smaller company is at resolving stuff. 

 

Nothing is exclusive with the existing FFBs on the market. You can use what you want with what you want. 

Thanks for the Info.

Had a quick look at the VP Force Rhino.

It uses Steppers, which makes more Sense in efficacy, as a Brushless Motors has its peak Torque at higher RPMs. Steppers are made for high Torque at very low RPM (Stepps).

But the Problem of overheating is even greater. Stepper do not like heat at all, as the coil wires are quiet thin and compact.

There is no Stepperdriver that can cutoff when the coil overheats. It just burns the motor.

Do you experience sudden cutoffs while playing? Especially when at high alpha manoeuvres? Or when the FFB is at load for some time?

May it has kind of a Current limiter?

I cant imagine that the FFB Community has solved a Problem that still exists in CNC manufacturing and robotics today.

 

 

 

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36 minutes ago, Daliaraptor said:

Thanks for the Info.

Had a quick look at the VP Force Rhino.

It uses Steppers, which makes more Sense in efficacy, as a Brushless Motors has its peak Torque at higher RPMs. Steppers are made for high Torque at very low RPM (Stepps).

But the Problem of overheating is even greater. Stepper do not like heat at all, as the coil wires are quiet thin and compact.

There is no Stepperdriver that can cutoff when the coil overheats. It just burns the motor.

Do you experience sudden cutoffs while playing? Especially when at high alpha manoeuvres? Or when the FFB is at load for some time?

May it has kind of a Current limiter?

I cant imagine that the FFB Community has solved a Problem that still exists in CNC manufacturing and robotics today.

 

 

 

 

Well all I can tell you is that I dont have overheating problems. And the motors do cut in certain circumstacnes such as over enthusiactic curves. 

 

I would urge you to get on their discord and ask the questions. They are really up front and helpful. 

 

Im just a stick monkey. All I know is that it works and it makes my tummy happy 🙂 

Daliaraptor
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1 hour ago, BOO said:

 

Well all I can tell you is that I dont have overheating problems. And the motors do cut in certain circumstacnes such as over enthusiactic curves. 

 

I would urge you to get on their discord and ask the questions. They are really up front and helpful. 

 

Im just a stick monkey. All I know is that it works and it makes my tummy happy 🙂 

hahaha. Yes i understand. When i fired up my FBB G940 the first time (15 Years ago or so) i knew, ill never ever could play a flightsim without it again.

Its just to good to waive it. But then i stuck with it and missed out all the other good stuff. Im so happy FFB has finally its revival.

 

I will check out discord channel. Thanks a lot for your insights.

Cheers

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@Daliaraptor

 

All systems have protection against overheating, by reducing the power to the motors if heat goes up. I've not heard of any motors burning out. Whether you run into overheating protection depends on how strong you set the forces and what/how you play.

 

There is no issue mixing different hardware on PC. 

 

The Rhino and FFBeast have open source software and in general are the most open to self-building, modding, etc. The Rhino currently has the best software and the best compatibility with grips (including Virpil grips). Both the Rhino and FFBeast are 'man in shed' kind of operations, rather than a big company, which has benefits and downsides.

 

The Moza doesn't have great compatibility with other grips. They also seem to have ripped off the code of the Rhino illegally. I'm personally waiting for Winwing, to see how they stack up. That said, the software is a major factor and they may not be up to par right away. Games also have put little effort in FFB due to these sticks only having become popular recently, so we'll probably see that improve over the years as well.

 

Do keep in mind that these bases come without a grip.

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3 hours ago, Daliaraptor said:

Thanks for the Info.

Had a quick look at the VP Force Rhino.

It uses Steppers, which makes more Sense in efficacy, as a Brushless Motors has its peak Torque at higher RPMs. Steppers are made for high Torque at very low RPM (Stepps).

But the Problem of overheating is even greater. Stepper do not like heat at all, as the coil wires are quiet thin and compact.

There is no Stepperdriver that can cutoff when the coil overheats. It just burns the motor.

Do you experience sudden cutoffs while playing? Especially when at high alpha manoeuvres? Or when the FFB is at load for some time?

May it has kind of a Current limiter?

I cant imagine that the FFB Community has solved a Problem that still exists in CNC manufacturing and robotics today.

 

 

 

Hi i currently made a diy ffb rhino base with virpil constellation grip about two months ago and last month just made my diy mfg Rhino rudder transformation.

 

So about motor temps, Rhino ffb configurator program monitors all the time the temperature of the two motors and when they exceed a certain limit then two air blowers start to work to cool them down. Rhino config also stops some ffb effects when the temp goes up so by the aid of the air blowers the temperature goes down more quickly. You can control the amount that temp goes up by limiting the current-force that the motors can produce by setting the correspondant value in rhino ffb configurator program.

You are right about temp monitoring necessity in stepper motors. That was the issue I had with my diy ffb Mfg rhino rudder update. Since the kit doesn't have any air blower for controlling the temp of the one motor it has, I was also worried about that. But at the end with the right settings in rhino configurator everything works fine till now.

 

....I remember when I was building my diy  Rhino ffb base that except the two power cables the two motors have also another two thinner cable plug on them which probably might be the temp sensors plug...

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Daliaraptor
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Thanks Guys for all this valuable info. The Part with MOZAs surcecode i dont like, if true. Especially if the designer is not paid or at least asked. But thats maybe the downside of open-source projects like that. It’s a Shame.

 

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