How could it be Korea?IIRC Han said next project is 'Forgotten War'

[LukeFF]

It's no big deal if people want to talk about it. 

[Gambit21]

38 minutes ago, LukeFF said:

It's no big deal if people want to talk about it. 

Ooohhh…I thought that it was a super big deal, and wasn’t being facetious at all.
 

 

 

 

[Trooper117]

Ok here we go... the thread has been given the green light to do at least another 20 pages of merry go round, when every avenue that gets brought up just proves yet again that the Korean war has always been known as the forgotten war, and will always be known as the forgotten war ad nauseam... 

Grown ups... gotta love em!

[Gambit21]

I forgot what we were taking about.

[Avimimus]

12 hours ago, Trooper117 said:

[...] it has always been called the forgotten war... we are all grown ups, let's move on for gods sake.

 

Well, that's what I was saying... except, now you've done it! I don't think it was always called the forgotten war - that is far too strong a claim. Especially while it was happening.

 

 

5 hours ago, RNAS10_Mitchell said:

I think it was concrete...🙃

 

 

Technically, with rebar... correct? So, one could.

  

5 hours ago, Gambit21 said:

Somebody who lives in Europe, find me a piece of the “Iron Curtain”  please…I’ve always wanted a chunk.

 

By the way, I was young enough when I saw footage of the Berlin Wall falling that I confused the memory with learning about a retaining wall that had been demolished at the old jail downtown in my home city (in Canada)... I recall the memory because of my confusion regarding (1) why was everyone so happy and (2) why were they letting ordinary people without hard hats help demolish the wall... 

 

1 hour ago, Trooper117 said:

Grown ups... gotta love em!

 

xkcd: Grownups

 

1 hour ago, Gambit21 said:

I forgot what we were taking about.

 

Ah, you are truly blessed.

[ST_Catchov]

3 hours ago, Gambit21 said:

I forgot what we were taking about.

 

I think it was the wall?

 

 

 

[Gambit21]

1 hour ago, ST_Catchov said:

 

I think it was the wall?

 

 

 

 

Nope, that cant' bit it. We're looking for an Iron Curtain, not a concrete and rebar wall. 

 

[BraveSirRobin]

It feels like this “discussion” really belongs on the Forgotten War forum.  It would really be epic if this were the first thread started on that forum.

[firdimigdi]

7 hours ago, Avimimus said:

I don't think it was always called the forgotten war - that is far too strong a claim. Especially while it was happening.

 

https://archive.org/details/sim_u-s-news-weekly-special-issues_1951-10-12_31/page/8/mode/1up?q="forgotten+war"

 

As early as 1951 at least.

[Avimimus]

3 hours ago, firdimigdi said:

 

https://archive.org/details/sim_u-s-news-weekly-special-issues_1951-10-12_31/page/8/mode/1up?q="forgotten+war"

 

As early as 1951 at least.

 

Now that is a fascinating find! If this is widespread, then it means the term 'forgotten war' doesn't refer to how the war was remembered - rather it refers to the relatively limited mobilisation compared to WWII!

[firdimigdi]

18 minutes ago, Avimimus said:

 

Now that is a fascinating find! If this is widespread, then it means the term 'forgotten war' doesn't refer to how the war was remembered - rather it refers to the relatively limited mobilisation compared to WWII!

 

This term largely appeared at the end of 1951, when a general stalemate had settled in after the Spring movement of the front and before the escallation of the horrendous bombing campaigns that were to follow.

 

And it seems that the US News & World Report was the first media company to repeat the term publically. Other large papers and magazines of the time which I could access searchable archives of did not seem to pick up on that term at the same time.

 

Edited June 29, 2024 by firdimigdi

[Trooper117]

Will you look at this... I don't think 20 pages will be enough of this drivel. 40 pages minimum I'd say.

[Avimimus]

15 minutes ago, Trooper117 said:

Will you look at this... I don't think 20 pages will be enough of this drivel. 40 pages minimum I'd say.

 

Well, it was bringing back a lot of memories of the old days of the Internet... but, thanks to firdimigdi, it is actually turning into real historical research.

[CountZero]

 

how come hes unknown ace but we know his name... same mistery as how Korean war is forgotten but we know about it 😄

 

[LuftManu]

11 minutes ago, CountZero said:

 

how come hes unknown ace but we know his name... same mistery as how Korean war is forgotten but we know about it 😄

 

Hey! The real LuftManu! This one is the real deal 😁

[LukeFF]

7 hours ago, Trooper117 said:

Will you look at this... I don't think 20 pages will be enough of this drivel. 40 pages minimum I'd say.

 

If the topic bothers you that much, kindly move on and read something else, but these sorts of comments from you aren't helpful.

[Trooper117]

Yeah you are spot on, it does bother me... moving on!

[R7-S276]

The aerial battles between the Free French Air Force, the Vichy Air Force, the Royal Air Force, the Italian Air Force and the Japanese Air Force between 1940 and 1942 in south east of France, Tunisia, Syria, Irak, Madagascar and Indochina, these are the real forgotten battles of the movies and video games universe.

Edited July 1, 2024 by R7-S276

[BraveSirRobin]

3 hours ago, R7-S276 said:

The aerial battles between the Free French Air Force, the Vichy Air Force, the Royal Air Force, the Italian Air Force and the Japanese Air Force between 1940 and 1942 in south east of France, Tunisia, Syria, Irak, Madagascar and Indochina, these are the real forgotten battles of the movies and video games universe.

There is a good reason why the Japanese Air Force fighting in south east of France is forgotten battle of the movies and video games.

[Avimimus]

5 hours ago, R7-S276 said:

The aerial battles between the Free French Air Force, the Vichy Air Force, the Royal Air Force, the Italian Air Force and the Japanese Air Force between 1940 and 1942 in south east of France, Tunisia, Syria, Irak, Madagascar and Indochina, these are the real forgotten battles of the movies and video games universe.

 

There are a few others as well.

 

Interestingly, the Spanish Civil War keeps coming up in forum polls as a theatre people would like to fly... which means it isn't entirely forgotten here, but among the general public globally it'd be hard to say it was remembered...

[R7-S276]

BraveSirRobin, I thought that people of this forum have enough historical knowledge to understand that French Air Force fought Italian Air Force in south east of France in 1940, Vichy Air Force and Free French Air Force fought in Syria, Madagascar… French Air Force and Vichy Air Force fought Japanese Air Force in Indochina… without I need to write all the list with date and explanation… apparently I was wrong 😇

Edited July 1, 2024 by R7-S276

[Avimimus]

18 minutes ago, R7-S276 said:

BraveSirRobin, I thought that people of this forum have enough historical knowledge to understand that French Air Force fought Italian Air Force in south east of France in 1940, Vichy Air Force and Free French Air Force fought in Syria, Madagascar… French Air Force and Vichy Air Force fought Japanese Air Force in Indochina… without I need to write all the list with date and explanation… apparently I was wrong 😇

 

Well, I suspect BraveSirRobin was just playing with linguistic ambiguities. However, if he wasn't, then it would've proved your point admirably.

[BraveSirRobin]

4 hours ago, R7-S276 said:

BraveSirRobin, I thought that people of this forum have enough historical knowledge to understand that French Air Force fought Italian Air Force in south east of France in 1940, Vichy Air Force and Free French Air Force fought in Syria, Madagascar… French Air Force and Vichy Air Force fought Japanese Air Force in Indochina… without I need to write all the list with date and explanation… apparently I was wrong 😇

Yeah, we’re all aware of that.  But your post implied that the Japanese Air Force was fighting in France, so in the spirit of this thread being completely ridiculous, I ran with it.

[R7-S276]

The fact is between 1939 and 1945 Indochina like New-Caledonia were french national territories and under attack of Japanese Air Force, so yes Japanese Air Force fighting in France exactly like Japanese Air Force fighting in USA when they attacked Hawaii 😇

[Avimimus]

1 hour ago, R7-S276 said:

The fact is between 1939 and 1945 Indochina like New-Caledonia were french national territories and under attack of Japanese Air Force, so yes Japanese Air Force fighting in France exactly like Japanese Air Force fighting in USA when they attacked Hawaii 😇

 

This makes perfect sense, doesn't it?

[Gambit21]

8 hours ago, R7-S276 said:

….so yes Japanese Air Force fighting in France exactly like Japanese Air Force fighting in USA when they attacked Hawaii 😇

Is it though? 🤔 

[Avimimus]

13 hours ago, Gambit21 said:

Is it though? 🤔 

 

There is an argument that Hawaii should be given its independence. But such discussions about decolonisation, whether it be French Indochina or Hawaii, are a bit too political - so we should avoid them.

 

It is worth acknowledging the parallels though, between overseas colonies. At the time of Pearl Harbour it had only be annexed for 43 years and it would be almost 30 years more before Hawaii was granted Statehood. If an invasion of Pearl Harbour would have been an invasion of the U.S., then certainly, Japan invaded a number of European countries.

[Gambit21]

2 hours ago, Avimimus said:

 

There is an argument that Hawaii should be given its independence. But such discussions about decolonisation, whether it be French Indochina or Hawaii, are a bit too political - so we should avoid them.

 

It is worth acknowledging the parallels though, between overseas colonies. At the time of Pearl Harbour it had only be annexed for 43 years and it would be almost 30 years more before Hawaii was granted Statehood. If an invasion of Pearl Harbour would have been an invasion of the U.S., then certainly, Japan invaded a number of European countries.

You’re getting too cerebral - I was thinking pure logistics.

 

[Chris65]

On 6/26/2024 at 2:59 AM, Avimimus said:

In Canada, we didn't fight in Vietnam, so Korea was a significant memory here but I wouldn't say it is really 'remembered'. I bet a lot of Canadians watching American television are much more aware of Vietnam than Korea. A lot of what I knew growing up came from talking to people who talked to veterans... but that type of oral tradition is being lost.

Actually anywhere from 20,000 to 40,000 Cdns fought in Vietnam, of which about 12000 saw combat and around 134 died.  Korea saw about 26000 Cdns fight in all services, so really 1-1 at least.

[Nickkyboy99]

Forgotten war? The Polish-Bolshevik War 1919-21, the IL2 FC sequel 😁

[ST_Catchov]

 

😁

[Avimimus]

On 7/5/2024 at 10:41 PM, Chris65 said:

Actually anywhere from 20,000 to 40,000 Cdns fought in Vietnam, of which about 12000 saw combat and around 134 died.  Korea saw about 26000 Cdns fight in all services, so really 1-1 at least.

 

That goes to show the fickle nature of memory, and how it is influenced by different narratives (and things like whether a deployment was official or not)!

 

But, thank you, for correcting me.

[LukeFF]

Coincidentally today I wrote about the Princess Patricia Regiment's actions in October 1951 for a career article. 

[Avimimus]

33 minutes ago, LukeFF said:

Coincidentally today I wrote about the Princess Patricia Regiment's actions in October 1951 for a career article. 

 

Thank you! It is appreciated!

[Trooper117]

I worked with the PPCLI on ops, often stopping at their OP's for a cuppa... good bunch of guys. (this was in the 1980's)

[CzechTexan]

On 6/28/2024 at 11:27 AM, LukeFF said:

 

The Wonder Years too - the father was IIRC portrayed as an Army officer during the war, Bridges at Toko-Ri of course before that too.

 

Also, another more recent Clint Eastwood movie, Gran Torino. And of course, too, the very recent Devotion. 

So no, not ever really and truly forgotten by Hollywood IMO.

I haven't seen the film Pork Chop Hill mentioned.  That movie is the first thing that ever got me interested in the Korean War.

 

It may have been a "police action" but it's called the Korean WAR; and it may be called "forgotten" but we all here remember it.

Thanks to the developers of this sim that will keep the -Korea- memory alive and bring the story to future generations of simmers.

[[CPT]Crunch]

On 6/28/2024 at 5:22 AM, Trooper117 said:

I think we've established that Korea is 'The Forgotten War'... it doesn't matter what country you come from or where you heard the term, it has always been called the forgotten war... we are all grown ups, let's move on for gods sake.

Nope, never once heard such a description of it in those terms living through the 60's, 70's, and 80's.  And MASH by the admission of it's own producers was all about Vietnam, they just couldn't directly do it as Vietnam, was still way too fresh.