New Ta 152 H1

[Mandoble]

Fw 190 / Ta speed chart

 

Test on Kuban Autum, radiators and cowls shutters fully closed and the Ta152 is slower on the deck than both,A8 and D9, with and without boost.

 

Kuban autumn, 30m ASL.

Ta152 534 kph 1.5 ATA, BOOST ON, 570 kph 1.8 ATA

190A8 553 kph 1.5 ATA, BOOST ON, 575 kph 1.59 ATA.

190D9 560 kph 1.5 ATA, BOOST ON, 602 kph 1.8 ATA

Ta152190A8190D9_Rads_Closed.zip

 

 

Kuban Autumn, 30m, all radiators closed except P51B and D (40%)

 

Max speed without boost / Max speed with boost when available

1. P51D25 (150 grade) 631 kph
2. P51B5 (150 grade) 580 kph / 630 kph
3. Tempest (Sabre II) 622 kph
4. P47D22 (150 grade) 577 kph / 605 kph
5. 190D9 561 kph / 604 kph
6. P51B5 586 kph / 602 kph
7. 109K 602 kph
8. Tempest 599 kph
9. P51D25 599 kph
10. Typhoon (4 blade, Sabre II) 597 kph
11. Mosquito (maxed out)) 597 kph
12. Spit XIV (150 grade) 593 kph
13. P47D22 530 kph / 585 kph
14. P47D28 (150 grade) 557 kph / 585 kph
15. LA5FN 580 kph
16. Typhoon 579 kph
17. Spit IXc (150 grade) 579 kph
18. Spit IXe (150 grade) 579 kph
19. 109G14 579 kph
20. 109G6 Late (MW50) 575 kph
21. 190A8 553 / 575 kph
22. Spit XIV 572 kph
23. Ta152 534 kph / 571 kph
24. P47D28 516 kph / 566 kph
25. P38J 563 kph
26. 190A6 561 kph
27. 190A5 561 kph
28. 190A3 559 kph
29. 109G4 549 kph
30. Spit IXe 544 kph
31. Spit IXc 543 kph
32. 109G2 540 kph
33. 109F4 539 kph
34. 109G6 537 kph
35. 109G6 Late 535 kph
36. Me 410 526 kph
37. Spit Vb 489 kph / 511 kph 
38. 110G 510 kph
39. 109F2 479 kph
40. 110E 467 kph

Edited June 27, 2024 by Mandoble
Added references with other planes top speeds at sea level

[LukeFF]

Track files needed 🙂

[Mandoble]

5 hours ago, LukeFF said:

Track files needed 🙂

Files added to first post for 190A8, D9 and Ta152.

 

190A8 no boost 510 kph

190A8 boost 530 kph

 

Ta152 no boost 501 kph.

Ta152 boost 536 kph.

 

190D9 no boost 523 kph.

190D9 boost 564 kph.

 

Tested on Kuban Summer, 30m ASL.

Edited June 26, 2024 by Mandoble

[=MERCS=JenkemJunkie]

Kuban autumn is the standard for speed tests. Those summer temps are slowing you down.

[Mandoble]

37 minutes ago, =MERCS=JenkemJunkie said:

Kuban autumn is the standard for speed tests. Those summer temps are slowing you down.

in Autumn I get 6 kph more for all the planes. The difference in minimal.

[=MERCS=JenkemJunkie]

Only thing else I can think of is make sure your stabilizer is at 100%, and your cowl on the A8, and your temp regulator on the D9/152 is 0%. 

[ZachariasX]

Cowl needs to be closed, no rack, autum season to compare. Also the aircraft on the reference chart is the calucated performance of a supposed example in optimum/perfect shape withou any rack (EC).

 

You need to set the radioator to the highest temperature ("close") to keep it flush. The radiator is a huge airbrake when it opens. Without seeing a track, I'd say the problem lies there, given how slow you are going.

[Mandoble]

1 hour ago, ZachariasX said:

Cowl needs to be closed, no rack, autum season to compare. Also the aircraft on the reference chart is the calucated performance of a supposed example in optimum/perfect shape withou any rack (EC).

 

You need to set the radioator to the highest temperature ("close") to keep it flush. The radiator is a huge airbrake when it opens. Without seeing a track, I'd say the problem lies there, given how slow you are going.

Will do the tests again with radiator fully close as time allows and will indicate that no radiator adjustment was done in first post.

[ZachariasX]

6 minutes ago, Mandoble said:

Will do the tests again with radiator fully close as time allows and will indicate that no radiator adjustment was done in first post.

The 190D onwards has an unintuitive radiator, as you set the cooling temperature which in turn determines the pressure in the cooling system. While it is fine to run at the higher temps, the option given to you to lower the temp is due to a requirement to offset the reduced outtside pressure at high altitude. But it  is always "automatic".

[Mandoble]

29 minutes ago, ZachariasX said:

The 190D onwards has an unintuitive radiator, as you set the cooling temperature which in turn determines the pressure in the cooling system. While it is fine to run at the higher temps, the option given to you to lower the temp is due to a requirement to offset the reduced outtside pressure at high altitude. But it  is always "automatic".

Actually I thought that the radiator management was automatic in Ta, but it is not the case.

[Mandoble]

Tested on Kuban Autum, radiators and cowls shutters fully closed and now the Ta152 is slower on the deck than both,A8 and D9, with and without boost.

 

Kuban autum, 30m ASL.

Ta152 534 kph 1.5 ATA, BOOST ON, 570 kph 1.8 ATA

190A8 553 kph 1.5 ATA, BOOST ON, 575 kph 1.59 ATA.

190D9 560 kph 1.5 ATA, BOOST ON, 602 kph 1.8 ATA

 

 

 

Ta152190A8190D9_Rads_Closed.zip

[=LD=Bulldog*]

I have been flying the Ta 152 recently and may have missed a trick.

 

What controls for rads, etc., do I need to set?

 

Cheers!

 

BD

[Mandoble]

1 hour ago, =LD=Bulldog* said:

I have been flying the Ta 152 recently and may have missed a trick.

 

What controls for rads, etc., do I need to set?

 

Cheers!

 

BD

Well, you have two options for radiators:

1 - In the realism settings of your mission, mark the option Radiator Assist. This will adjust automatically your radiator, but, it will do it based on the temperature. So, might be it will start opening the shutters before you would like, so might be you would not reach your peak speed this way.

 

2 - With manual control, you need to use or assign the keys for "Water ratiator shutters control Axis", in the Plane Engine Controls. This is valid for the Ta152 and for the 190D, but for the 190A8, A6 and A5 the control is "Engine Outlet Cowl shutters".

 

You may switch between manual and automatic with Left Shift + R.

 

Then for the Ta152, 190D9 and 190A8 you have the "Switch engines boost" key.

Edited June 26, 2024 by Mandoble

[=LD=Bulldog*]

Thank you, kind sir!

 

BD

[Mandoble]

Repeated the tests in Kuban Autumn (first post updated, anexed files valid)

 

Kuban Autumn, 30m, all radiators closed except P51B and D (40%)

 

Max speed without boost / Max speed with boost when available

1. P51D25 (150 grade) 631 kph
2. P51B5 (150 grade) 580 kph / 630 kph
3. Tempest (Sabre II) 622 kph
4. P47D22 (150 grade) 577 kph / 605 kph
5. 190D9 561 kph / 604 kph
6. P51B5 586 kph / 602 kph
7. 109K 602 kph
8. Tempest 599 kph
9. P51D25 599 kph
10. Typhoon (4 blade, Sabre II) 597 kph
11. Mosquito (maxed out)) 597 kph
12. Spit XIV (150 grade) 593 kph
13. P47D22 530 kph / 585 kph
14. P47D28 (150 grade) 557 kph / 585 kph
15. LA5FN 580 kph
16. Typhoon 579 kph
17. Spit IXc (150 grade) 579 kph
18. Spit IXe (150 grade) 579 kph
19. 109G14 579 kph
20. 109G6 Late (MW50) 575 kph
21. 190A8 553 / 575 kph
22. Spit XIV 572 kph
23. Ta152 534 kph / 571 kph
24. P47D28 516 kph / 566 kph
25. P38J 563 kph
26. 190A6 561 kph
27. 190A5 561 kph
28. 190A3 559 kph
29. 109G4 549 kph
30. Spit IXe 544 kph
31. Spit IXc 543 kph
32. 109G2 540 kph
33. 109F4 539 kph
34. 109G6 537 kph
35. 109G6 Late 535 kph
36. Me 410 526 kph
37. Spit Vb 489 kph / 511 kph 
38. 110G 510 kph
39. 109F2 479 kph
40. 110E 467 kph

[Roland_HUNter]

1 hour ago, Mandoble said:

Repeated the tests in Kuban Autumn (first post updated, anexed files valid)

 

Kuban Autumn, 30m, all radiators closed except P51B and D (40%)

 

Max speed without boost / Max speed with boost when available

1. P51D25 (150 grade) 631 kph
2. P51B5 (150 grade) 580 kph / 630 kph
3. Tempest (Sabre II) 622 kph
4. P47D22 (150 grade) 577 kph / 605 kph
5. 190D9 561 kph / 604 kph
6. P51B5 586 kph / 602 kph
7. 109K 602 kph
8. Tempest 599 kph
9. P51D25 599 kph
10. Typhoon (4 blade, Sabre II) 597 kph
11. Mosquito (maxed out)) 597 kph
12. Spit XIV (150 grade) 593 kph
13. P47D22 530 kph / 585 kph
14. P47D28 (150 grade) 557 kph / 585 kph
15. LA5FN 580 kph
16. Typhoon 579 kph
17. Spit IXc (150 grade) 579 kph
18. Spit IXe (150 grade) 579 kph
19. 109G14 579 kph
20. 109G6 Late (MW50) 575 kph
21. 190A8 553 / 575 kph
22. Spit XIV 572 kph
23. Ta152 534 kph / 571 kph
24. P47D28 516 kph / 566 kph
25. P38J 563 kph
26. 190A6 561 kph
27. 190A5 561 kph
28. 190A3 559 kph
29. 109G4 549 kph
30. Spit IXe 544 kph
31. Spit IXc 543 kph
32. 109G2 540 kph
33. 109F4 539 kph
34. 109G6 537 kph
35. 109G6 Late 535 kph
36. Me 410 526 kph
37. Spit Vb 489 kph / 511 kph 
38. 110G 510 kph
39. 109F2 479 kph
40. 110E 467 kph

For speeds you can use this app:

 

[Mandoble]

1 hour ago, Roland_HUNter said:

For speeds you can use this app:

 

Thanks Roland, tested the app, but almost all the numbers for top speeds are odd (or might be I'm missing something).

For example, the app lists top sea level speed of 190A8 as 581 kmh. With boost on and radiator closed, all I can get is 575 (same conditions: Kuban Autumn, 12:00, no wind, 22m ASL).

 

On the other hand, for example for the La5FN it matches perfectly what I get, 580 kmh.

 

In any case, even using the app the Ta is still slower than the A8 at sea level, which doesn't match quite well Fockewulf charts.

Edited June 27, 2024 by Mandoble

[Roland_HUNter]

For A8 and for all the german planes, for speed test, use 100% stabs. 

 

We tested them many times. 

 

Btw the Ta152 has much bigger wing, what means much more drag. 

[Mandoble]

30 minutes ago, Roland_HUNter said:

For A8 and for all the german planes, for speed test, use 100% stabs. 

 

We tested them many times. 

 

Btw the Ta152 has much bigger wing, what means much more drag. 

You are right and might be I have a setup problem. I had the Adjustable Stabilizer Axis assigned to a throttle rotatory axis, but it never had any effect on 190s. Now I tested the individual keys for Adjustable Stabilizer Switch: Pitch up and Adjustable Stabilizer Switch: Pitch Down and they worked to reach 100%. No idea why the axis does nothing for the 190 stabs while it works perfectly fine also assigned for trimming the 109s.

 

About the Ta extra drag, that's fine, yet Fockwulf's charts show the Ta always ahead of A8 (and A9) for any altitude, even if only slightly ahead at sea level.