Any word on the 'next project'?

[CountZero]

ill wait for future DDs to see what other reason exept monetary was justifieng separation from GB, graphics clearly aint that if whats on picture is to be in final new korea game

[Rjel]

55 minutes ago, CountZero said:

"F-86A Sabre and MiG-15bis"  lol good luck with that match up, worst saber in Korea vs best Mig type

 

also looking at pictures i cant see any differance in tarain, clouds or in airplane graphics vs GB game 

 

 

16 minutes ago, CountZero said:

ill wait for future DDs to see what other reason exept monetary was justifieng separation from GB, graphics clearly aint that if whats on picture is to be in final new korea game

TBH, they did add the small tube for the oil overflow location on the P-51.

[Trooper117]

42 minutes ago, CountZero said:

"F-86A Sabre and MiG-15bis"  lol good luck with that match up, worst saber in Korea vs best Mig type

 

Will need the F-86A as they arrived in December, however, by September 1950 the MiG-15bis was replacing the initial early Mig's...  

F-80's and eventually F-84's would be in action before the Sabre jets.

[CountZero]

5 minutes ago, Trooper117 said:

 

Will need the F-86A as they arrived in December, however, by September 1950 the MiG-15bis was replacing the initial early Mig's...  

F-80's and eventually F-84's would be in action before the Sabre jets.

" "Korea. IL-2" immerses the player in a virtual world that recreates the air battles in the skies over the Korean Peninsula from April 1951 to July 1953. Military operations during this time were concentrated in the northern part of the peninsula, and much was decided in the air. These events became a landmark in the history of aviation and military affairs: it was the swan song of propeller aviation (which played a very important role in the Korean War) and the rise of jet aviation. By the time of release, it is planned to recreate no less than 8 player-controlled aircraft — half of them will be jets and the other half will be piston-engined aircraft."

 

By that time A model was opsolite, its like flying 109F4 in 1944 vs Spit9s ,

 

from what i remenber 15bis come in 1952 onwards in korea, not mid 1950s

Edited June 25, 2024 by CountZero

[Gambit21]

1 hour ago, =SqSq=SignorMagnifico said:

IT’S KOREA!!! YEAHHH

 

Try and keep up.

[BlackSix]

1 hour ago, CountZero said:

"F-86A Sabre and MiG-15bis"  lol good luck with that match up, worst saber in Korea vs best Mig type

6 minutes ago, CountZero said:

from what i remenber 15bis come in 1952 onwards in korea, not mid 1950s

MiG-15bis of early series began to enter Soviet regiments in Korea in October-November 1950 and F-86A and MiG-15bis were relatively equal opponents until the end of 1951. Career in the game begins in April 1951.

[CountZero]

10 minutes ago, BlackSix said:

MiG-15bis of early series began to enter Soviet regiments in Korea in October-November 1950 and F-86A and MiG-15bis were relatively equal opponents until the end of 1951. Career in the game begins in April 1951.

and we gona be flying F86As and Mig-15bis all way to 53 ? if it starts in 1951 then its normal that you start with 86E model minimum, not A from 1950 , strange selection still considering timeline you guys selected

 

from other games and books mig15 ruled 86A in all aspects exept low alt turns, not realy as matched as later batches

 

 

in DCS you have problem of to late F86F, so mig is underdog, here youll have oposite, 86E models would be middle ground how it looks to me, good matchup

Edited June 25, 2024 by CountZero

[Avimimus]

6 minutes ago, BlackSix said:

MiG-15bis of early series began to enter Soviet regiments in Korea in October-November 1950 and F-86A and MiG-15bis were relatively equal opponents until the end of 1951. Career in the game begins in April 1951.

 

Ah, so the Air Battle of South Korea isn't being modelled in the initial release? I thought that was the most interesting period!

 

P.S. For those worried about game balance - you can start lobbying for an F-86E or F-86F I guess?

[Trooper117]

17 minutes ago, CountZero said:

By that time A model was opsolite, its like flying 109F4 in 1944 vs Spit9s

 

Well, that's history for you... I'm sure as the war progresses in other dlc's we will see the E and later F versions, and of course hopefully the naval aspect will turn up.

[BlackSix]

4 minutes ago, CountZero said:

and we gona be flying F86As and Mig-15bis all way to 53 ? if it starts in 1951 then its normal that you start with 86E model minimum, not A from 1950 , strange selection still considering timeline you guys selected

I'd recommend that you clarify in more detail when and in what quantities 86E began to arrive in Korea in 1951, and then your question of why we chose 86A will disappear by itself)

[CountZero]

2 minutes ago, BlackSix said:

I'd recommend that you clarify in more detail when and in what quantities 86E began to arrive in Korea in 1951, and then your question of why we chose 86A will disappear by itself)

so its not 51-53 its just part of 51 when mig15bis had advantage ? ill check , but i can see same thing happening here like it happend with tank crew, poor matchup of main oponents

8 minutes ago, Trooper117 said:

 

Well, that's history for you... I'm sure as the war progresses in other dlc's we will see the E and later F versions, and of course hopefully the naval aspect will turn up.

That was case with Tank Crew also, poor selection of first tanks, one sideed, and then no more interest in collector stuff, whos to say theres gona be interest in more variants

[BlackSix]

4 minutes ago, Avimimus said:

Ah, so the Air Battle of South Korea isn't being modelled in the initial release? I thought that was the most interesting period!

There is one nuance in the air battles of 1950. North Korean aviation was completely destroyed by the end of August 1950, and then the UN air force operated without any opposition until November. It's not good for the game.
On November 1, the Soviet MiG-15/15bis entered the battle, but they flew from airfields deep in the rear in China and only in early December began to be based at the forward airfield Andong but were there on very short missions. And only from April 1951 Soviet divisions begin to remain at forward airfields for long periods, which is important for our careers.

[Avimimus]

4 minutes ago, BlackSix said:

There is one nuance in the air battles of 1950. North Korean aviation was completely destroyed by the end of August 1950, and then the UN air force operated without any opposition until November. It's not good for the game.
On November 1, the Soviet MiG-15/15bis entered the battle, but they flew from airfields deep in the rear in China and only in early December began to be based at the forward airfield Andong but were there on very short missions. And only from April 1951 Soviet divisions begin to remain at forward airfields for long periods, which is important for our careers.

 

Understandable. I suppose those - if one limited it to the first month one could have a shorter (but more intense) campaign prior to the destruction of the airforce?

 

The reason why June/July 1950 seems attractive to me is that the air-battle starts off a bit more balanced, with daylight operations and ground attack by both sides... by 1951 it has become pretty asymmetric. At least that is my impression, feel free to correct me and/or elaborate. I'm quite curious.

[CountZero]

6 minutes ago, BlackSix said:

There is one nuance in the air battles of 1950. North Korean aviation was completely destroyed by the end of August 1950, and then the UN air force operated without any opposition until November. It's not good for the game.
On November 1, the Soviet MiG-15/15bis entered the battle, but they flew from airfields deep in the rear in China and only in early December began to be based at the forward airfield Andong but were there on very short missions. And only from April 1951 Soviet divisions begin to remain at forward airfields for long periods, which is important for our careers.

quick serch https://www.joebaugher.com/usaf_fighters/p86_9.html

 

"The more-advanced F-86E began to enter action in Korea with the 4th Wing in July of 1951, replacing that unit's F-86As on a one-by-one basis. The conversion to the F-86E was rather slow, and the last F-86A was not replaced until July of 1952.

In September of 1951, the MiG-15bis began to appear. It was powered by a 6000 lb.s.t. engine."

 

Also are you able to answer will we see any night operations considering B-29s got destroyed during day raids and had to switch to night ops

[BlackSix]

Just now, Avimimus said:

Understandable. I suppose those - if one limited it to the first month one could have a shorter (but more intense) campaign prior to the destruction of the airforce?

 

The reason why June/July 1950 seems attractive to me is that the air-battle starts off a bit more balanced, with daylight operations and ground attack by both sides... by 1951 it has become pretty asymmetric. At least that is my impression, feel free to correct me and/or elaborate. I'm quite curious.

No one is preventing us from showing the battles of 1950 in single missions and campaigns but the career will begin in April 1951. There are many interesting innovations in it and I believe this will be discussed in future diaries.

[LuftManu]

10 minutes ago, BlackSix said:

There is one nuance in the air battles of 1950. North Korean aviation was completely destroyed by the end of August 1950, and then the UN air force operated without any opposition until November. It's not good for the game.
On November 1, the Soviet MiG-15/15bis entered the battle, but they flew from airfields deep in the rear in China and only in early December began to be based at the forward airfield Andong but were there on very short missions. And only from April 1951 Soviet divisions begin to remain at forward airfields for long periods, which is important for our careers.

Thanks Blacksix! seems a reasonable date!

[Avimimus]

Just now, BlackSix said:

No one is preventing us from showing the battles of 1950 in single missions and campaigns but the career will begin in April 1951. There are many interesting innovations in it and I believe this will be discussed in future diaries.

 

That makes a lot of the sense.

[BlackSix]

2 minutes ago, CountZero said:

In September of 1951, the MiG-15bis began to appear. It was powered by a 6000 lb.s.t. engine."

Also are you able to answer will we see any night operations considering B-29s got destroyed during day raids and had to switch to night ops

This is incorrect information about the MiG-15bis, we are working with original Soviet documents talking about the fall of 1950. I cannot answer about night battles and how it will be implemented, but I have found information and prepared histories of all Soviet night interceptor units.

[CountZero]

14 minutes ago, BlackSix said:

This is incorrect information about the MiG-15bis, we are working with original Soviet documents talking about the fall of 1950. I cannot answer about night battles and how it will be implemented, but I have found information and prepared histories of all Soviet night interceptor units.

ok

[Aapje]

47 minutes ago, Avimimus said:

Ah, so the Air Battle of South Korea isn't being modelled in the initial release? I thought that was the most interesting period!

 

That seems perfectly suited for a campaign.

[Trooper117]

Is this is going to be a continuing expansion series?... if so, it would be good to know if the carrier/naval aspect is going to be covered at some stage. Without it, the Korean air war will be massively incomplete. There is a wealth of operations and aircraft types that will be missing from the conflict... can any of the devs shed light on this?

[BMA_FlyingShark]

1 minute ago, Trooper117 said:

Is this is going to be a continuing expansion series?... if so, it would be good to know if the carrier/naval aspect is going to be covered at some stage. Without it, the Korean air war will be massively incomplete. There is a wealth of operations and aircraft types that will be missing from the conflict... can any of the devs shed light on this?

I think it's too soon for them to reveil what plans are after the initial release of the Korean Theater.

Much will probably depend on how successful Korea will be.

We'll need to exercise some patience to know how it all will turn out.

 

Have a nice day.

 

[Trooper117]

3 minutes ago, FlyingShark said:

I think it's too soon for them to reveil what plans are after the initial release of the Korean Theater.

 

Mate, we know what the plans are after Korea... it's been stated by them that it will be the Pacific, unless those plans have changed, it would make sense that they include the carrier war as part of Korea as they will most certainly need carriers in the Pacific.

[CountZero]

1 minute ago, Trooper117 said:

 

Mate, we know what the plans are after Korea... it's been stated by them that it will be the Pacific, unless those plans have changed, it would make sense that they include the carrier war as part of Korea as they will most certainly need carriers in the Pacific.

or it could be Nam 😄

 

but if PTO i expect later war 44-45, maybe no carriers needed

[Trooper117]

3 minutes ago, CountZero said:

or it could be Nam 😄

 

I'd be very interested if it was!

[Gambit21]

25 minutes ago, CountZero said:

or it could be Nam 😄

 

They won’t be ready for this by then.

4th gen jets and helos? Nah - look for CBI and/or PTO next. 

Plus current map tech is not up to the task.

(If screen shots are any indication)

[BMA_FlyingShark]

55 minutes ago, Trooper117 said:

Mate, we know what the plans are after Korea... it's been stated by them that it will be the Pacific, unless those plans have changed, it would make sense that they include the carrier war as part of Korea as they will most certainly need carriers in the Pacific.

Ok, "MATE".

 

[Trooper117]

7 minutes ago, FlyingShark said:

Ok, "MATE".

 

 

LOL!... 🤣

[RNAS10_Mitchell]

1 hour ago, FlyingShark said:

 

"Much will probably depend on how successful Korea will be."

Suspect you are spot on with that observation.    Companies build upon success.  

[Talisman]

🤸‍♂️Korea!  Great stuff! Very much looking forward this this! 

 

Many thanks.  

 

Happy landings,

 

Talisman

[=FB=VikS]

23 hours ago, CountZero said:

and we gona be flying F86As and Mig-15bis all way to 53 ? if it starts in 1951 then its normal that you start with 86E model minimum, not A from 1950 , strange selection still considering timeline you guys selected

 

from other games and books mig15 ruled 86A in all aspects exept low alt turns, not realy as matched as later batches

 

 

in DCS you have problem of to late F86F, so mig is underdog, here youll have oposite, 86E models would be middle ground how it looks to me, good matchup

 

The reason to have A-model first is that though whole 1951 (when the most notable air combats happened) - A-model was the main type of Sabre used, and well - its cause we had to choose - as we cant do all at once.

But - we will have latest A with J47-GE-13 engine (as with time most of A`s where upgraded to it by time we need) - and its the same engine which E`s had - so it gonna be mostly same in perforcfmance except improved elevator controls - but my bet - it wont make much sense - as we all here hard weights lifting persons, getting enougmous G-loads easily while sitting on our warm chairs 

And ofcourse we will have mod with A-1CM with AN/APG-30

 

PS: and for sure - we hope to have E`s and F`s added with time

[Avimimus]

1 minute ago, =FB=VikS said:

PS: and for sude - we hope to have E`s and F`s added with time

 

Don't forget the Meteor F.8 (for a Commonwealth type) and the AD-4 (as an attack aircraft) while giving all of that attention to the Sabre

 

Seriously though, it is exciting to have a new era open up. I'm even hoping for some contemporary types that didn't serve in Korea (i.e. Vampire or Venom and La-15) as Collector Planes if it does well enough. It'd be fun to have such types to contrast with their competitors!

[FTC_Kongoo]

On 6/25/2024 at 5:13 PM, CountZero said:

quick serch https://www.joebaugher.com/usaf_fighters/p86_9.html

 

In September of 1951, the MiG-15bis began to appear. It was powered by a 6000 lb.s.t. engine."

 

 

That is incorrect. The mig-15bis showed up earlier, in April 1951. Though there were still RD-45 Mig 15s amongst the 64th IAK. They got completely replaced in soviet regiments by mid May 1951. My question is will we see the Rd-45 mig 15 in game as the Chinese were still flying it until  mid 1952-ish. 

Source : Red devils over the yalu by Igor Seidov. (highly recommended if you want to read from Soviet perspective)

[FTC_Kongoo]

On 6/26/2024 at 7:45 AM, =FB=VikS said:

The reason to have A-model first is that though whole 1951 (when the most notable air combats happened) - A-model was the main type of Sabre used, and well - its cause we had to choose - as we cant do all at once.

But - we will have latest A with J47-GE-13 engine (as with time most of A`s where upgraded to it by time we need) - and its the same engine which E`s had - so it gonna be mostly same in perforcfmance except improved elevator controls - but my bet - it wont make much sense - as we all here hard weights lifting persons, getting enougmous G-loads easily while sitting on our warm chairs 

And ofcourse we will have mod with A-1CM with AN/APG-30

 

PS: and for sure - we hope to have E`s and F`s added with time

 

IIRC, there were pilots that prefered the A because it was more agile than the E due to its lighter weight. However, the E should be better as you said at those high speeds specially near those transonics and you need to pullout of that 0.95m dive to avoid compression, so not entirely useless.

 

Regarding turn performances, I¨m not sure if F86A was better than mig 15 at low alt turns. Better than the F86 F though for sure due to slats. The central fighter establishment report indicates that the "upgraded" mig-15 had similar turn performances at low alt with the sabre,as did the RAAF report. The interesting part is the timing as the author thought mig-15 bis was upgraded just before writing of report (march 52) ,yet the mig-15bis had been around since april 51... My deduction from reading accounts is that soviets mainly didn´t fight with turning tactics  but boom and zoom. Rarely did they come down and turn with the sabres. Lack of a G suit also probably gave the impression of worse turn performance to Sabre pilots.

[Avimimus]

They were often attacking larger formations, and they also had superior altitude performance and climb - so they had plenty of other reasons to avoid turn-fights... which makes it a bit difficult to deduce turn performance from them.

[CountZero]

12 hours ago, FTC_Kongoo said:

That is incorrect. The mig-15bis showed up earlier, in April 1951. Though there were still RD-45 Mig 15s amongst the 64th IAK. They got completely replaced in soviet regiments by mid May 1951. My question is will we see the Rd-45 mig 15 in game as the Chinese were still flying it until  mid 1952-ish. 

Source : Red devils over the yalu by Igor Seidov. (highly recommended if you want to read from Soviet perspective)

And in 1951 there was F-86E im Korea,

not in big numbers but they started to show up. Why make it harder for them self i do not understand, also they could have easy pick 1952 sa starting point, area of map is same.

 

its soviets vs americans , and you’r starting it off with best version of soviet main fighter and almost worst version of american fighter, and on top you’r keeping this 4v4 per side insted making more american jets, lack of F9F is glaring, they could have easy remove one soviet airplane no one would notice.

 

 

And on top, your only be able to play as soviet, chinese, north korean, and american on other side that had so many differant nations.

 

 

 

Edited June 28, 2024 by CountZero

[Trooper117]

2 hours ago, CountZero said:

on other side that had so many differant nations.

 

The reasons have been explained why they have started where they have, it makes sense... this is only the start of the project... in future dlc's for it we will see more variants, more aircraft from other nations, probably more of the map for different phases of the war etc.

[CountZero]

2 hours ago, Trooper117 said:

 

The reasons have been explained why they have started where they have, it makes sense... this is only the start of the project... in future dlc's for it we will see more variants, more aircraft from other nations, probably more of the map for different phases of the war etc.

So no PTO after Korea? You expect more DLCs for Korea ? New south area map ? 

 

i expect this is it, they make 1 korea DLC, and depending on succes or lack of it few collector airplanes, and go to more jet wars or back to ww2 so then you should start with your best offer.  
 

just look at cp, they pick their best for start, they didnt pick ki-43 vs hurrican in singapour, they pick airplanes that from start give them best chance as if theres no 2nd try, again i point to tank crew por choice in tanks that doomd it from get go.

Edited June 28, 2024 by CountZero

[LukeFF]

3 hours ago, CountZero said:

So no PTO after Korea? You expect more DLCs for Korea ? New south area map ? 

 

i expect this is it, they make 1 korea DLC, and depending on succes or lack of it few collector airplanes, and go to more jet wars or back to ww2 so then you should start with your best offer.  
 

just look at cp, they pick their best for start, they didnt pick ki-43 vs hurrican in singapour, they pick airplanes that from start give them best chance as if theres no 2nd try, again i point to tank crew por choice in tanks that doomd it from get go.

 

I advise you to please stay away from comments that presume Tank Crew is a failed project, thank you.

[Gambit21]

7 hours ago, CountZero said:

So no PTO after Korea? 

That’s a leap.

 

I fully expect Korea to be fleshed out along with PTO development.

 

Remember also that the team has opened the door to more 3rd parties outside of Ugra so you’ll begin to see the product grow in a different way over time I think as momentum/relationships develop etc.

 

Edited June 28, 2024 by Gambit21